Losing My Mind In The Most Popular and Controversial VR MMORPG 

This MMO is dead at the moment because of the devs

Glitching in VR really feels like a stroke... The first time a VR game crashed on me, it just froze an image onto the headset and my brain went haywire with the disconnect between the motion of my head and nothing moving in my vision. The only time I actually came close to throwing up because of VR.

It's sad that the game is being dropped but I feel like you really hit the point. Doing things like relaxing in the inn playing chess or chatting after a long playing session become a real thing in VR MMOs, gathering in town meeting places become more than just watching your character and typing, it becomes actual interaction. I can't wait to see what the future holds for stuff like this.

9:45 I've probably sunk 8 hours into the starting island and had no idea about this. So glad I watched this. Thank you.

Those are distinctly "we're doing literally anything to try and keep float" stylistic choices.

Waiting my whole life for VR and it arrives, I finally afford a Quest 2 headset and it's only after turning 39 years old and developing the body and stamina of an 80 year old. What a twist. You know what though, I need the exercise.

The part where you say about "A time when MMO players spoke to each other." is so spot on. I love this genre, I really do. But it's gotten to a point where I actively loathe the experience of new MMO's. So much emphasis on providing all the information, making sure every one has access to gear to perform the content they want "when" they want, making sure you know exactly where you need to go in the world to do quests, making sure all of the zones are predictable and easy to access after a certain gated "level" has been achieved, making sure gear is accurate in stats so that content 'can' be beaten with easy to get get gear but just beating the content at a slower rate, but faster if you have higher levelled gear which in most cases means the higher levelled gear has some sort of time gate on it like only being able to turn in so many resources a week before acquiring said item, so that the only factor of you getting the item is how long you wait for it, reducing the challenge to nothing. The list goes on and on. We live in a day where if information isn't available at a moments notice and is not easy to access, then people quickly lose interest. And not only do MMO dev's know this, they build their games around it and in most cases they realise that the p2w route is financially better despite it being really bad PR for the game. We used to play Guild Wars and would say 'Too Poor Play Guild Wars' whenever we saw someone playing WoW in vent. As a result, I played Turtle WoW recently and had a blast on that since I never got the chance the play the "original" vanilla. "I need to ask someone about this" or "I need help to beat this" were common things I was saying to myself while playing. That feeling of a community driven knowledge base that can be accessed by simply socialising and talking to one another is absolutely lost in new MMO's. Even a game like City of Heroes (Which please do a video on because the publishing rights to the game actually got bought by a private server at the start of the year and they revived the game. Again, that "social" aspect is there for that game. ) can feel like a fresh new experience just because the game is not going to tell you the majority of it's functions later on, it might give you a "tip" box but whether or not you listen to the tips or forget them can drastically affect your play later on. This happened to me and not only did some people fly over to help me, but they gave me a lot of help to get started too. Anyway point is that new MMO's may look flashy and cool and interesting, but quickly deform it tedium and mediocrity due to QoL changes dev's feel they need to keep player retention in the modern day. I think for older players like us, the concept of a virtual online world with thousands of players online being the main draw point of a game is now completely gone, since that idea is not new or interesting to people, and forcing newer MMO players to interact and learn from their mistakes and from other people is considered out-dated and not worth the time to invest when their are other games that do it "quicker and easier." As a kid I would use MMO's because I really struggled with making friends and socialising so seeing the genre go down this route is pretty sad to say the least. Love your videos so far man, your jokes are bang on "maintain composure in the heat of embarrassment and failing to do so." humour, so binging them on my day off.

I loved Zenith. It was a great first attempt at mmo in vr. I can’t wait to see what the future brings and I hope more game teams keep the same focus that zenith team did. Also I had legs 🎉

I was there day one. They flubbed the most basic elements of MMO design and continued to do so as time went on. The dungeon system release was it for me. I wanted to actually run dungeons and everyone else wanted to sprint past all the NPCs straight to the boss skipping almost all the content. Why wouldn’t they though when the game doesn’t so much as have CC.

Bro, I’ve been working on just the smaller island too! I thought it was an extended tutorial area that led you onto the main island eventually (not realizing the level cap was 40 and me getting close to 20). I mean I guess it’s kinda a faster way of leveling if you don’t have to travel as far and stuff, and maybe it’s signposted somewhere, but man I’m glad I learned this before reaching that big boss you tried to fight

This has got to be one of my fav videos of yours 😂 looks like a lot of fun but as it's VR, how do you not get so tired? Great use of music too 😎

Those VRMMORPG's you see in some anime series are getting closer and closer to reality!

oh FFS, this is brilliant, the sense of humour is spot on :)))))))))))

Brilliant video, glad you survived the physical punishment,you are a true martyr to your cause😂. Still the best content creator on youtube

Watched a vid about prosthetic tech, and it showed one that is in the works. The guy that tested it had a band around where his elbow would be, and on screen he was controlling an full arm and fingers... now, just think of that tech being used for vr instead of controllers 😁

Hilarious as always mitch, cheers!

2:12 you're a skit writing genius, upvote

There's an inherent problem with all MMO's as with all single player games. After about 200 hours you've pretty much had a gut full of grinding away. At first its fun and new and interesting, but when you find yourself repeating the same action over and over again you start to wonder what other game you can be playing. That's not so bad for a single player game but for an MMO a shrinking player count means death. To make matters worse, in VR the game play is physically draining. You're standing for hours and swinging your arms, etc. Pretty soon you feel reluctant to get back into play cause you know how tiring it is. The only way to keep an MMO interesting is if the devs keep pumping in new content and new environments to discover and explore. Which is a hard thing to do for a small team.

Think this was a good video to be introduced to the chanel. That was a ride :D

Looks like it has improved a good bit since launch.. And loved the video :)

really fun to watch! TY!

1:22 a little tip if anyone has trouble like this is to hold grip before you touch the surface as it will auto grab it

Oathbreakers is in alpha agreed not an mmo as it has 15 or so players per grid but it's an online multilayer rpg with solid crafting/crime system / customisation. Certainly beats anything else currently available, community is super helpful too

you absolutely slayed me. I'm still crying from laughter.

Zenith is so undercooked it hurts

That looked so Cool! 🎉 sadly i dont own VR 😢 maybe some day and age 😂 Really awesome Video Mitch !! Thanks mate !

this has been on my wishlist for a long time. real hapy you said its going to be free soon.

Would love to play something like this, love VR so much man.

This video made me realize that VR mmos are actually a good workout. I can't wait to see a BDO equivilent, in VR. Top players will end up fit as heck grinding, and farming.

I would absolutely try out this game on a VR headset IF I HAD ONE

Zenith is really fun. i played it with an older pc and a Rift S with my buddy. it was a good time.

You had me laughing so hard 😂. Thank you.

very entertaining video.. I used to be a daily player. My favorite line was the 'cookies duct taped to my balls' part...lol. Good stuff.

If they made a vr mmorpg with blade and sorcery as its base it would be a game for the ages

Looks fun - but quite scary in a way. I'd be terrified of everything hah.

anime pilot wings lmao that game had an amazing soundtrack

9:55 it did mention it in an old update

I was so excited for this game to come out and had so much fun when it finally did. I did start getting board rather quick, but enjoyed my time with it. When I started getting the itch to go back, they released the F2P version with the MMO being side content now. I was disappointed that they seemingly gave up one a VRMMORPG that had such promise.

lol subbed at the chef part.. lolol..

Another great video! But playing for >9hrs at a time does make it sound like you treat your self-employed-self a little like a sweatshop worker 😨 You need to unionise yourself to get better working conditions! My main problems with VR are physical - it's heavy and makes my head and neck hurt, it's intense on the eyes, and I get motion sickness from the movement. But I enjoyed watching you in it and exploring! My partner played Into the Radius recently and he adored it. Maybe one to try, if you've still got VR energy in you! Thank you for the content 😊

I thought The World was the most popular VR MMO.

It's funny that you mention a time when people coming together to play and discover mmos while showing WoW footage and now, 20 years later, WoW's season of discovery has managed to do just that again for me. I've so many situations where I'm looking for a way to get to a secret, only to then find someone there doing the same thing, we figure it out together and someone else pops in and we help them out.

I absolutely love this game! I hope y'all give it a try.

What VR you using? ^^

damn, I need to pick the game back up, I haven't played since... October of 2022? Damn, longer than I thought...

To everyone saying it's dead because of the devs... I wouldn't use the word "dead". It can still be revived, they still have the fanbase. People are still looking forward to it and wait for something to happen. I feel like is not only me that bought this game at launch, didn't play in the last year or so but still wait for something interresting to happen. The momment they introduce fishing properly I'll be back in seconds xD

I have not played zenith since the early days of the game. Things have changed a lot from what I can see.

Holy shit, I played at launch and a day, then completely forgot about it.

The tech just isnt quite there yet, but we're very close

Tarzan has his feet on the vine, too. They forgot that.

This was fun to watch indeed

Zenith was a pretty cool premise, but it really lacked so many QoL features and any real engaging combat. It was definitely fun to go on Quests with friends, but it came at the wrong time unfortunately. If it came out 5 years from now where standalone is a bit beefier it could be the perfect game

9:58 An exact recreation of the plot of Sword Art Online.

You should try a township tale it doesn't have quest but it's fun when you play with the right people.

bro, i have the quest 3, why does it look so good on your game?

there will always be a place in my heart for Zenith

I own this game forgot i owned it.

Please be wary about buying this. As Mitch mentioned, they're revealed that they're pivoting away from being an MMO. The Lost City won't be getting any more updates, as they focus on a new "social hub with activities" mode.

Zenith is a good game. Good mechanics. A few quirks. Overall well made. Crafting and questing and traveling and skills are all cool but take a moment to figure out. The players in-game are helpful and cool.

I love you berating the NPCs. I never got into this game but it’s definitely fun watching people play

Oh when i played in "beta" Zenith, there was no tutorial. So they added missing stuff and improved it for new users. Character generator was also later added. I still hate the stupid world map design. It's worst one with wrong colors, hard to see where it is because layers are not colored well in height. Might try again what is improved and what not.

2:06 Im fucking dead 🤣

I didnt know this existed and now i know what i want to do next with my Index lol Edit: RIP i spoke too soon Edit 2: you know what? for whats there it seems like its still a lot of fun and for $30 i might still get it. this has a lot of things id love out of a VR experience

I can't imagine VR without throwing up. Well done for sticking it out.

rip zenith they screwed it that up pretty bad

holy crap this looks completely different from when it first launched

Yeah and I’m on the quest 3 and my game lags constantly and I don’t hear anything that good about it anymore exactly after nexus

Wow... That looks significantly better on PC 😅

That’s why I never seen this. Haven’t played in forever.

Doing this right before the devs basically announce that they are unofficially sunsetting the MMO is so funny. And to all the idiots who are saying they aren't doing that. I have been right about every single prediction of what the devs will do at every single turn. I have been saying for years that the devs will leave the unfinished or broken parts of their game to languish while they develop new content that will be released in an equally unfinished, poorly thought out and executed way to the content they abandoned to make it because they don't take valid criticism seriously, and week long betas in which they launch the the public at the end of it regardless of what feedback they get during said betas because they decided that was the launch date. I have been right over and over and over again when it comes to predicting what these moronic devs will do to fuck up their game next.

My problem with almost all vr games is the combat Emerson. Take Zenith as an example, the combat with swords and kambits are just slashing through the air with no reward of each hit. Then there is blade and sorcery which has pretty good combat but the ragdolls make it too easy and there is no progression or story like an MMO. Dungeons of Eternity has great combat with its dungeon crawling but it gets very repetitive and the grind for more levels tend to get boring and less rewarding. Until the day a "good" immersive vr mmorpg game comes out either I am going to wait or maybe learn to create vr games myself and fulfill my desire of a immersive mmorpg.

I'm so sorry, Tarzan.

this will be good when the technology reaches sword art online level

LSD tinged aerobics eh ? need to write that one down

as a zenith beta watching this was fun 😂

dude lives his life like a mmorpg

Dudes !! Buy yourselves VR hardware and hop into that game. In my opinion its the most SAO like game we have so far for VR and the game play is really awesome. Infinity Realms is just a very very short teaser of what awaits you in "the real MMO "The last City". I already played hundrets of hours but without new player its getting lonely in the low and mid level areas. I know the hardware is expensive but its worth it ! With 300-500 for a standalone headset you are in. Alone for that game its worth it, but playing Assetto Corsa in VR is a thing by itself as well ;) - Whatever - Zenith is a must for every true MMORPG fan.

Ramen just announced that they are stopping the development of Zenith MMO.

After having this on my wishlist for years i finally downloaded it today; only to be greeted by a small hub area, no directions, and some obstical courses. I was so confused cause i remembered seeing images of an mmo. Now I see why. I had no idea the mmo was turned into DLC. I didnt even look at the DLC cause i figured it was an expansion and im sure many people will think the same. Im sad that zenith turned into this, and understand why people are upset. Turning the MMO into DLC will hide it from most people, killing future players. Add in the fact the base game already has a horrible new player experience, with some very very bad UI choices. I think its safe to say this VRMMO is gone.

A lot of this is gone when i tried the game, well, hidden behind a dlc paywall

I play this game 6 to 8 hours a day and I never get tired and I never run out of things to do. It is a very full fledged game with a lot of really good people and excellent social aspects. I wish you had tried harder to represent it properly.

i need more friends for zenith and contractors showdown

There are at least 2 more VRMMOs waiting in the wings, namely Ilysia and Freeland. Unfortunately in their current states they make Zenith look good. Zenith did a fair number of things right but I get the impression that they have spent the last 4 years racing to get the game "good enough" with a too small team and often misplaced priorities. There's plenty of fun if you go in with your own group, but there are many aspects that are overly grindy.

Incredibly sunburt??

Devs completely fucked us on this game. Do not support this game or these devs.

Thank god. I get withdrawals when you don't upload 😂😂. Also I think that was fake tan not sun burn 😂😂😂

Make a video about sword island vr

i played a lot of hours and havn't been back in a while..it is just lacking some elements

I wish I could get into VR games but it just makes me SUPER motion sick. Even the games where they tell you to sit down to play still make me woozy

Where to get? I see Zenith Nexus

Probably the best MMORPG in VR is still Skyrim, with the ChatGPT mod. More immersive than this. Amazing to watch, to realise where we're going, but probably this is a genre that would be physically exhausting to play in VR, for long sessions.

couldnt you have said your ending comments at the start? get me excited then dash my hopes! evil

It's going no where if we can't get Internet to work right.

Oh lol the open mic. I have to wonder if you encountered anyone who actually recognised you by you voice and colourful verbage :D

Yeaaaah I played it for a week and got bored, idk man that could just be me or zenith

Wow a minute till you say the name.

Too bad i couldn't watch the video without becoming motion sick

Wow, if this the best VR mmos can offer, no thanks. I mean if I wanted something that looks this bad I can just play EQ1. At least the game play is deeper.

sword art online lore

It absolutely looks like it has a lot of promising features for an MMO. I also sorely miss the days if MMO's actually being social games. Discord has pretty much ruined that forever sadly. Hopefully someone eventually takes this idea and truly makes something special.