You can keep asking AGS to do all of this, but nothing will change. They're going to release everything 1:1 as it is in KR with no western adjustments, I would love to be wrong but I doubt I am. At this point I'm not even sure if it's AGS who's pushing Smilegate to make said changes and Smilegate not giving a single fuck, or AGS just not pushing Smilegate at all. As much as I like the game, it's unbelievably lost in the hands of this publisher and developer in the West. Just from looking at party finder throughout the day (NAE), you can tell well over half of the small amount of players that remain are RMTers/Whales or gold farmers.
i can tell you are a doomer because your info is wrong. Thaemine has lesser HP than KR even now. And whats with the "over half of the small amount of players that remain are RMTers/Whales or gold farmers." You basically named all the ways you can play the game as if it's a bad thing. People are either RMTer, whales or gold farmer (F2P), what else can they be? Newbies? Newbies don't go raids bro, newbies do story quest.
I left this comment under another video some days ago, just my view on returning to this game: This game is just straight up crazy for a returning player. I returned about a month ago and got one char to 1600 with the help of the events, the other 5 hanging around at ~1500. According to the calculator i would need 449,438g to push that one char - closest to T4 starting content - to 1620. And I dont calculate in the mats or anything else, which btw i can only generate from that one char. The message that I get from this is: dont play the game and wait till T4 drops so you can get your alts to 1580 so they can generate the mats you need for your main. Ok, see you in another half year. Great Game design btw.
the fact that Lost Ark is Korean MMO is the reason it fails in the west. Smilegate has a potential homerun of a game on their hands, I firmly believe Lost Ark can usurp the likes of Diablo and PoE in western culture IF ONLY they would develop the game to be more fun and less frustrating! The story is underrated, the soundtrack is underrated, the combat is second to none! You just need to STOP making it a korean mmo!! No more rng for honing, add proper teaching systems for raids and raid mechanics (even if it's like a sprout icon toggle that veteran players get bonus mats for taking into the raids) and stop being so fucking greedy! AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD VETERANS, STOP NORMALIZING THIS BS!! STOP DRIVING NEW PLAYERS AWAY WITH YOUR ARROGANT ELITIST ATTITUDES!! KMMO culture and mmo veterans who have normalized these predatory, greedy systems like honing, elixirs, trancedence and more, are going to kill this beautiful game if things don't change.
@@quietmouse8276 Lost Ark would be best treated as an action rpg with mmo elements, thus competing with diablo and poe rather than, say, final fantasy 14. Again, treating it like an mmo and kmmo culture in general is what's killing lost ark.
@@Wordsman You can have a classic MMORPG without korean fomo. GW2 exists, for example, it's pretty much all horizontal. And way more popular in the West than LA. And they don't even need to make it horizontal, just reduce vertical progression(rework elixirs, remove all the new honing accs bullshit, nerf transcendence gold by 70-80%, increase honing chance %, decrease gold honing at 1620+ by 50%) in the West, reduce gold earners to 2-3 as well, let koreans have their own version and be milked by smilegate.
@augusto9698 true, but I do think LA would succeed more as a arpg w/ mmo elements rather than leaning into the mmo aspects. But I do agree that honing and other systems need to be gutted as limiters to progression and gold needs to be a much more abundant resource. I think it would be best to remove artesian's energy all together and make every tap 100% succeed no matter the level, even if you double or triple mat costs. I also believe that making raids a weekly grind for gold fundamentally contributes to the toxic pf culture and gatekeeping, but there's no way any of them are gonna have the balls to change that sort of thing.
AGS needs to adopt some of the major changes in Chinas version. Getting like 7x mats from chaos dungeons, roster gold, etc. Extend solo content to everything up to a certain ilevel, extend gold earners gold so we can do all the raids on the char and earn roster gold.
AGS is useless bro, like completely, we are getting vertical after vertical system in fast tempo and we have 0 gold compensation in lower cost or higher rewards. Their elixirs+trans event was pathethic and we are waiting for KR getting elixir gold nerf so we can get it too lol that had to be cheaper in west by default. With Thaemine they were at least resonable and released him nerfed, but now we see Echidna without any nerf and it is pain for many players, Behemoth will be most probably same, so I am curious how many players will be here to even see T4.
well, the game lost a huge amount of players in thaemine and echidina, it looks like we will lose several more in behemot xD, the days are numbered, unfortunately some people will only believe it when it actually happens, thanks to bad decisions by AGS.
The game is over, no one can save the lost ark anymore the quick launch of t4 is a failed attempt to get money from the whales before the game dies for good
Man, thanks a lot for this video! Having someone with your experience from KR version talking about whats good for West version is really something AGS should consider, giving that clearly the game has been going into a bad time. We gotta cross our fingers hoping AGS sees this kind of feedback, and also feedback from reddit so that we get a version that matches our playerbase. Again thanks a lot Zeals, you are one of the few streamers that really takes a part of your experience and gives it to every player that comes into your stream!
This happened to Echidna hard mode as well. Echidna was suppose to be an easier raid, but since the dps check is so high and the boss tend to waste a lot of time, lots of full transcendance players have a hard time doing g2 hard mode.
Yep, it was a massive failure by SG/AGS to release as is. The only reasoning I can come up with is NA will be getting Echidna for about 1 month longer than Korea AND we get T4 right away with Behemoth so the item level concern is moot.
@@dieKreTzn game is still running decent in KR which is their primary market. For West it very well might have been their plan to release it, milk it while they can and then abandon.
Honestly the only way I see gatekeeping being fixed is essentially LoL's draft queueing. You queue as dps/supp, and the game then pops you into a group that's queued for the same dungeon. Major problem with that would then be synergy mispairing unless you can in the raid
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Since they introduced elixirs and later transcendence is just game fucked up... it is so massive source of power that it feels like mobile game, it does not matter how good you play or how rest of your gear looks like, if you do not have those two systems you are useless in endgame content by default. Systems simply should not give you 25% more damage, it is far too much, of course lets not forget how big trash those systems are in first place, of course we could say that engravings are even bigger source of power, but way to them is completely different and much easier.
Gatekeeping in EUC is alrdy so bad that u basicly dont have a chance to compelte Echnidia without a static, cuz there aint no learning cuz half the ppl cant play it and the other half are gatekeeping hardcore players or no static players.^ Overall if the trend of endgame being basicly unplayable i will sooner or later quit the game cuz im not going to sink 80 hrs to get clears in overtuned raids, do learnings and do all dailys. If the biggest raid boss is the lfg theres something wrong.
Summary: SG is a dev studio with absolutely zero foresight, hence why there are all these ilvl issues and why they cannot properly balance their releases. Every single design choice they make is motivated by greed and how they can monetize fomo. This will backfire and TBH has been backfiring already based on the player population.
honostly i feel like the elixir issue wont be fixed because they refuse to make the changes needed like removign the purples and giving it less options to pick so its easier to get something its a gold sink taht as the game keeps progressing forward it feels worse and worse at this point with so many things we gotta do they should just remove ilvl requirments alltogether
My groups done Thaemine and Echidna on Week 1 in Normal Mode. But, when T4 announced from 1620 can be 1640 in T4 and Echidna release last week i already know that i will be f**ked up because my char that i used to learning Thaemine and Echidna not even Elixir 40 yet and my alts aren't on safety place yet either ( not even all full akkan gear ) so i don't have enough resources to gather my golds from the raids. It would be rather i will tryhard doing Behemoths or not doing Behemoth at all and chilling upgrading my characthers.
Its fine,we alrrady have this shitshow with Echidna difficulty. Hard boss with less dps, turns into a nightmare. Echidna literally charms the people to quit the game. The last 10 days of reclear pugging is despair. Mich worse than the overgearing of Thaem combined with the hp nerf.
Echidna is very easy and very hard at the same time. I have seen the beserk timer (as my supports including a 1635 one with near max transcendence). It just takes a troll or poor player and the run will be blown up, or a few low dps players and it is gg. Then you get a (on paper) low dps clear normal G2 like it was the easiest raid gate….crazy.
Problem is the balance of challenge and a full roster of challenge. If I had a single toon to worry about sure I’ll tolerate a challenge. But not with a roster of 6 for gold to keep up with honing. I want a fun fight not a hard fight. I rather enjoy the fight then get burned out from 10-40 hours of prog.
Game is already split in our version and it happened at ivory tower release, Casuals do Brel, Kayangel and Akkan Hardcors do Ivory, Thaemine and Echidna. At least solo raids are coming soon
With Behemoth lvl 70 will be released in the west and new accessories. It might make this raid very tribal for dps check. Or not and we have a third raid Fing over casuals. I will be ready for it 100%, but will others?
The first T4 raids should be a joke level of difficulty like Oreha and Argos were. I should be able to do them in a few attempts with taking everyone who applies and going in blind. I want that guy who made an account just after T4 launches to speed hone on the event pass and get to 1640 after having done a few solo raids for some weeks and have a blast in Behemoth.
The mains are all also going to gain 20+ ilvls remember. So it will be very obvious the mains/alts. My main is 1635 ilvl atm, if i do no other advanced honing. I will be 1660 ilvl when t4 releases. I've only done the first 10 lvls of the weapon so far. In 3 months time i could likely do all the armours to 10 and the weapon to 20 without breaking the bank. That would mean my main 1670 ilvl with full everything else. Theres going to be an army of 1660-70+ mains and a horde of 1640 alts.
I feel like lvl 4-7 transcendence shouldnt be locked to thae hm. I just did adv hone and it costed me 400k just for 3 armors. So everyone who’s staying at 1620 will have no transcendence going to behemoth
Tbf, EUC is already pretty much dead than alive compare to a few months ago. Lots veterans left for good. Echina was pretty much the last confirmation they needed for their decision. Theres still more than 15k bots in the west dayli. I wonder when AGS gonna make their final annoncement like JP and SA server. This last fomo might be their last chance of filling the wallet.
This was a bigger issue for Echidna than behemoth especially because all those main that are 1630+ are going to be 1650+ when entering. When it comes to alts, that will be another story. Definitely will be some super undergeared at 1640
Well we will be getting t4 with behemoth.. so the power gain alone from lvl 70, t4 gems, and the Ilvl jump will make up the diff for behemoth. The only problem will be finding 16 people and 4 supports.
haha, Raids are okay in terms of difficulty for me so far given enough practice but yeah the amount of resources getting kinda rediculous but future content is always Irrelevant to some players atleast me, couple of months and still couldn't prog Akkan G3 and I got 2x1610 toons and 1600. It's Lost ark atleast for me, kinda used to it by now. Couldn't progress in the game so as a result nothing to spend my real money on, its fine if they want to design the game for me not to pay anything. I want to drop cash into the game but just the game won't allow me to do so. Just waiting for Path Exile 2 to come out.
that is what you get for creating a system tier that has nothing to do with increasing Ilvl, if they did this mid the tier it was fine but at the end for example Thaemine which upgrades transecendance but you need first ilvl 1630 to get max out instead of normal, they ask for it. This game is only milking anyway and Amazon thinks people pump in money. Western servers will die in no time with no proper player base left that has a brain / gear wise :/
They need to help new and returning players way fucking more than they are, I don't care if it helps bots its near impossible to even get to fucking thaemine as a returner/new player.
If full transcendence will be a req for behimoth it's crazy. Even if you have good gems, 40 set and weapon you cant even get 4-7 transcendence because your cant do theamine hard. For ppl who's main at 1620 it will take weeks to get all gearing done before you can do new raid. Even if you have ilvl for that...
I mean fresh 1620 going behemoth [stare]. Noperz. Current 1620 >1640 with advance honing unlock lvl 7 trans and do it on chest shoulder and get 1660 for behemoth, that's the minimum requirment. even right now 40 set is required for hm ivory/echidna nm. And we are getting the elixir and transcendence cost reduction 2 months before behemoth. If you don't fix your char you are not clearing. Kinda the same being jailed in echidna normal by 8-10m dps 1620s... Like if you are not pulling the minimum you are gone kicked blacklisted. That's how West is. So think about before pushing
how is elixirs not done being the person fault when it rng af :,D transcendence sure. but elixir. . come on breh. all in all its almost like this game release and how it is, is almost built to be pushed out of the west. i love this game but there are literally things that work too hard against us and having the company release this shit like its a speed run is heavy against u. maybe having a life and working isnt right fit for this game like holy.
Behemoth will Definitely get nerfed. How can say for sure? Well lucky for us on the West 2nd biggest market next to Korea ," China " will be getting it too and SG always does what the CHinese want lol, meaning we get the adjustments in preparation for the Chinese release, and when it finally comes out in China there would probably be another batch of adjustments just to favor that region. That's what I've been noticing ever since Clown came out in China, every other succeeding raids that got introduced got even more nerfed and it always applied to all other regions like NA/RU.
by same logic even every raid in lost ark that has a damage reduction phase or some kinda of mec like that, then people will just hold dps? to do a big final hit on voldis gate 2 or something. this is such a non problem, the moment you lower your guard what is going to happen is that you will get instant blocked and kicked from the lobby by 15 people and overtime you never be able to play lost ark again quite literally. you will see 0 lobbies in the party finder and wonder why. (reminder we are less than 10k left) rest assured that "pressure and tension" in this game is always present even in most easy raid Western community is so toxic i'm sure there will be no problem since everybody also RMT and ask for insane gear req just to join. people keep track of stronghold names in notebooks just to gatekeep you is that insane speaking of mats and our version speed we know that is doomed from long time. the best solution for a new player is not to play this game at all. do solo raid then start getting gatekeep and you have to wait again they relese other solo raid? first you wait korea get the content then you wait again they add it as solo. does all this chore look worth to you new players guys? just go play elden ring and forget about this game existence
i refuse to do any legendry elxier just did 25 free once and i got nothing all that after 4 peices that went to pety so my 300k gold i spent to hone didnt help me getting excepted in theamine and achidna bc i dont have 40 set
Lol yeah I wouldn't call it entitlement, maybe more like FOMO, but yeah if I hone a character to like 1630 and I'm not doing Theamine hard.. it just feels bad honestly, kind of like a waste. It's not reasonable to expect to keep up with all the other stuff you need on a character (elixirs, trans, gems, weapon qual) just because you have the mats to hone, and that's why I mostly play supports these days xDD NOW TO BE FAIR, if you're going into Behemot with 0 elixirs and 0 trans, you're hella trolling. I would expect 40set with random shit lines and lv2 trans everywhere
People will probably not like this, but I find mind boggling how SG let Global release wither and almost die considering the amount of people who used to play the game and then quit around Brel. How did they not balance mats/gold acquisition adjusting for the time we lost because of accelerated raid release? Would it really cost so much having their devs on it compared to the money gained through player retention?
Again, it is the problem of pacing. NA just had no FARMING time whatsoever, we are always catching up to the newest content and system. It's not healthy at all.
Yea I agree that should be nerfed with HP and or Def maybe for 1-2 months and then to be like in Korea but I doubt they will nerf it and return it to normal after time. I experience some difficulties even now with Echidna and Thaemin. Once I start playing we were 4 ppl who played together and 1 was SUP pala, but after lets say 7 months paladint quit. after few months another friend stop playing and Until now I play only with 1 friend. I never completed Voldis Hard, Still progging Thaemin G3 normal (I think only 38% cleared it) Dont wana think about Thaemin Hard. And now on top of this I cannot clear the Echidna and I don't know what to Prog first and my gold income is very low now because I only prog with pugs and lobby jail also :( It is so bad now at least for me. Maybe I need to stop progging and start making gold again Dont know what is best for me now. I also play 2 hours at day or 3 max
Ur whole videos its ok and u have reason but te only problem i see right now is elixir, ye nerf are so fking good but the rng its there, elixirs after t4 announcmnte should be a meme to get it alteast 35elixirs but thats not the case and dont tell me get good or learn cause i will keep playing till get it but a new player even with that nerf of gold will just leave the game just for how bad desing of elixir are. I dont know how Smilgate dindt rework or somthing like that the elixirs, i dont say they need to give free elixirs to ppl but 35 points shuld be easy and free for everyone to alteast do dmg and not being jailed so hard til they know how to do better elixirs. I think if they change the desing of elixirs or how to get them the game its in a good state because smilgate will change it to be more friendly to casual players. I like rng but idk atleast let us to select one or two stats of elixir, some ppl have can have 35 points and no set effect cause never apear, thats just bullshit. For me personally like i said after the t4 annoucment i just think elixirs should be a meme and easy to get cause new ppl will go from 1620 to 1640 without elixir and transcende like u said.
They need to make fresh start on EU. I have 9 1500 characters i quit when brelshaza released. Now there is no way for me to push those characters again cuz i have no gems no full set of cards. It is imposible for a returning player.
Of couse when you overgeared stuff always easy. Try to beat Calligos with no card, gem , 3 line engraving , 1490 ilevel and see how it goes. 😂 Edit: the message here is AGS and SG need to balance the raid, at least NM difficulty to the mass. Getting the item level alone for the raid is never enough since there are also of other power system as well. If they dont do that new and casual players will have a miserable time and the game will continue bleeding players till shut down.
@@siyoming_qweR what are you talking about? He is pretty much on point, difficuilty in LA is from big part based on your gear and that is exactly what is he pointing out.
thats what ive been saying for the past year, they GOLD NERFED US 2 years earlier then in korea, Korea had almost 2 year advance to gather gold before the gold nerf. they faked us so good. i gave up after the gold nerf.
@henriquemulatieridias3862 lol ive done it before with max ban length being one month. Never negative. If u dont rmt ur wasting time and money in this game. The real issues are raid design anyways lol
Im currently 1625, have 1 level 10 gem rest level 9. 40 set. This makes me not want to play. AGS/SG havr dropped the ball so hard with this game. I don't even want to long in right now.
I get your point but NA will get the reduced transcendence and elixir cost in like a month or so. I don’t see why people who are at 1620 won’t at least do their trans and elixir to a somewhat okay level ( okay 40 set and lvl3 for trans). By the time behemoth comes out, they do one hard mode and they will have farmed a good amount of dark fires for more trans.
and what about new/returnees? What about gold income? Weapon transcendence on top of Tier 4 launching together. This is also a very pressing matter in KR as well. A 1620 unlocks at the same time, H. Thaemine, H. Echidna, Behemoth and H. IT all at the same time and all its vertical progressions.
@@angelcrespocabrales To each their own. Everyone experiences different things to which I’m sorry that you have had such a poor one on that. At least for me, my main 6 got it within 1-2 months and a pretty much all my guildies I know and play with got it within 1-3. I did have a friend who was super unlucky but even then took like 2-4 months max. Either you’re doing something wrong or just extremely unlucky as elixirs have been out for 6 months and not having 40 set by now especially since you’re day 1 is surprising. It’s not that I don’t believe you but your situation is definitely not normal.
The thing is china has their own delepment thing iirc, while ags just implements what Sg gives them pretty much. Idk why you always call out ags zeals when its sg the ones who give 0 fucks about us
If AGS and SG hadn't dropped the ball in the beginning, we'd have as many players still here as they have in China. THEN, they'd listen to us. But we're down to less than 30k real HUMAN players, we just get what we're handed instead of having a complete development team assigned to us.
AGS white knight found. AGS is so out of touch with their players that they can't even relay to SG anything that players are struggling with. It really doesn't matter who is more out of touch. The only thing that matters is they start getting in touch.
@@lelainet6478 white knight when i keep getting muted for critcizing and calling out in discord? lol ok. im just calling shit how i see it, ofc ags is not free of guilt but its not the same when they got ppl to actually make changes and we only get whats thrown this way.
elixer and trans nerf comes in 3 weeks or sth like that. people have 2 1/2 month to use advanced hone to reach 1630 and unlock full transcendence.+ then they will be 1650 for behemoth
Nice Vid Zeals and good advice although it will only hit a wall. I have 2 x 1620 Chars currently but I'm refusing to do the latest Raid (Echidna) until they have Solo versions. I have no problem running Solo Voldis and getting my Elixirs. Hopefully Solo Thae will be out when I'm done with Elixirs so I can move onto the next progression system.