Click on the link below for my 6 years (almost 8 years now as of this comment) later explanation/response video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NWvufb8riv4.html
1. Loud music while driving and cornering quickly, FAULT 2. Driving fast in a shitbox while female present, MAJOR FAULT 3. Going wide mid corner, YIKES Absolutely no respect
@@Longshlongjon22 well with Integras, they're front wheel drive so its a little easier to control them, which is one of the reasons why front wheel drive cars are pretty much killing the game right now in time attack, but if it was a rear wheel drive car the back end of the car would kick out more easily since the power is going to the rear wheels
@@aldolizalde481 that slide wasnt due to power and apparently in a situation like that saving it with RWD would be far more easy, because RWD isn't as snappy
@@MatVeiQaaa i never said it was due to power, I just said that with a rwd car since it is powered by the rear wheels, it would've kicked the rear end out more easily and most likely spun out
there is a girl in the passenger seat. Shes wearing black leggings and has her feet on the seat or the seat so far back that sh is barely visible. but she is there
Every time I see this kinds of videos and you immediately see them feeding the wheel like it's the first time they're driving a car, you know you're in for a treat!
@@Uno_Floydd Any car can oversteer in the right circumstances. It's only when it comes to oversteering while accelerating that you need power at the rear wheels. In this case, it was a "lift off oversteer". He revved up the engine really high and then lift off the acceleration instantly right before the corner. This caused a powerful engine braking which in turn shifts the car's weight to the front axle. The rear axle didn't have much weight pressing down on it, so the rear wheels lost traction in the corner.
@@Mamsaturatdevoi everything you just said I know already. I didn't say I didn't understand how it worked. I was surprised it happened to him considering usually I can't get lightweight fwd cars to lift-over unless I have built enough speed.
@@tarrenituptv4121 no. That's like people who say they drive better while stoned. Music, even at a moderate volume, can decrease your reaction time by something like 20%
Just set the video speed to 0.25 at 00:56 and you'll see how amazing your skills were doing.. You managed to counter-steer 1 full turn above what you needed... Full on panic mode. Your luck was amazing that no one was coming..
@@seniorbuttocksbiggusdickus7147 *laughs in e36 assembled by 15 different e36 chasis, 4 different coilover brands for each shock, nrg quick release, eBay shifter, eBay wing, cut knuckles and a diff welded by a monkey*
It blows my mind people actually drive like this on the main road knowing other people with families are driving on there… Go to a track if you wanna drive like this
This driver is lucky, he doesn't know what is doing. Chasing another car down twisty road in a manual takes skills and concentration. His fate is sealed at 0:50. He is going into a mid-speed right corner, instead brake downshift to 2nd, he think it's okay to ride it out on 4th. when the oversteer kicks in, keep on stepping on the brake and can't recover because the cars in a gear too high. He's only lucky that he can turn the wheel fast enough and there is no on coming traffic. Don't do this kind of crap especially you have a passenger...
He was on the brakes and took at shitty line. At that speed he put the weight to the front and when he tried correcting his shitty line the rear end came loose. Almost did a dynamic drift
Its not only that he corner with a high gear what makes him not beeing able to correct drift. Its that he stayed on the brake the wholeeeee time ! Wrong wrong wrong. He should had let brakes by the time he felt the rear beeing light and i think he would be able to corner right
All these comments are just “driver” mad lib and mean nothing at all. Doesn’t matter at all what gear the car was in. Dude was simply too deep into the brakes with too much steering angle. Load was biased to the front so he lost the rear. If he would have come of the brakes a little sooner, he may would have been just fine. His foot remains over the pedal so it’s kind of hard to tell whether he actually continues to apply braking, but I also suspect a little more counter steer a little sooner while coming off the brakes could have made saving it a little less dramatic. Would just have had to be prepared the straighten the wheel quickly once the rear caught again after the weight transferred back.
@@Findmealife I mean kinda what i said. But i think he stayed on the brake whole time, so just a let go from brakes and no counter steering at all before it complete lost would saved the day...
I'm glad my reflexes/muscle memory tell me to not brake hard in a corner, even though I don't have that much experience, it's just something I learned when I was young, and now I apply it without thinking.
This is a great example of learning how weight transfer works. Braking into a corner is useful to get some slip angle to aid turn in (small slide not noticeable). This guy holds the brakes in so deep that it was only a matter of time when the front wheels have the weight of the car over them that the rears get light and will snap on you. Good car control is like treating the car’s roll like it’s balancing on a pin head, smooth gentle weight shifting.
@@NatVirgo same principle as lift off oversteer because that’s when weight that was shifted backwards under acceleration suddenly jumps forwards but FWD cars don’t shift weight back like that. Lift off oversteer is a RWD trait
@@pregnantyellowfish I disagree. Lift off oversteer is extremely common and potentially dangerous on numerous FWD cars. Most of the RWD cars are much more stable releasing the throttle at corner entry than FWD. And I speak of experience. Release the throttle in a high speed corner in a Megane 3 RS and you're in big trouble (despite the superb chassis)... Release it in an M3/350Z/Camaro/Corvette, way less dangerous...
@Demetris Christoforou Oh no! Someone made a joke in a RU-vid comment section! Must get offended! Lighten up. The person in the video showed he can be cool about it.
@@pilot554 Yes, light rear end. The only thing easy to control about a FWD car is when on the gas hard because you won't get power over-steer. Everything else is actually harder to control vs a RWD car that has a transmission in the rear and better weight balance.
That wasn't even tough to save and that was a super late reaction.. and then you had your girl in the car while driving clearly faster than your skill level in that car.. nice.
You need right position, speed and gear for cornering and don't lift off, apply some drive to engage the wheels. Always take note of if your car is liable to understeer or oversteer too and drive accordingly
From experience, do not ever let your car rotate that far, and never counter steer so much that far in the corner, your pedal inputs being the brake or gas will keep you straight as long as the front wheels are pointed where you want to go, but you cant be afraid of loading the grip up with the brake and throttling out to straighten completely. Learning how to left foot brake has saved me many times to help me reduce understeer.
I learned this early on!!! Dirt roads in a 2WD truck trained me and real world scenarios put it all to the test... Drifted my 05' GP when I had it around an onramp at 60mph cranked about a quater way feathering the throttle lmao wasn't intentional but once I was there, I committed
Especially in a front wheel drive. Literally the only way to go fast in a fwd. on the brakes hard keeping the front from oversteering in to the corner and keeping the rear balanced
Yup, yup. And see my other comment if you wish. In the racing biz, what you see here is known as "out-driving your talent." Too much car + too much road + inability to steer fluidly = Bad Things Happen. Quick. But yes he does get credit for recovering with little drama.
In the racing biz, this is known as "out-driving your talent." Looking at this, too much muscling and not enough smoothness at the wheel. He needs to thread it more quickly and fluidly through his hands so he doesn't get hung up being cranked over too far. You have to have a really light touch and just THINK the car through the turns. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
Very true, look at motor cross racing or any racing really, the drivers/riders look almost out of control but are totally in control because they let the machine do the work and let it flow. Only a true pro knows what it’s like just hitting that sweet spot of being in the flow.
Haha, what are you saying? This dude is beyond a paragraph of instructions on the internet. He is totally clueless, has absolutely no idea what he's doing around cars whatsoever. He has had zero instruction or training for anything and on top of that he clearly has no or bad parents, he didn't even get any kind of upbringing. He has no clue how to even adjust his seat, has no clue how to drive AT ALL. He is worse than a beginner who has never driven before, at least they know how useless they are.
All I will say is never drive or ride at or beyond your limit. Just because someone leads does not mean you must follow or push for the sole purpose to pass and fulfill ego. Race comfortably and confidently. The ultimate goal is make it home safe.
low rpm plus fast corner entry caused understeer, as a reaction he let go off the gas without opening the steering so front got grip and the rear swung out (snap oversteer) - for which he reacted to slow but then too much ^^ if you drive quick, rev up - and before cutting corners you should have spent enough time sliding around with you car on parking lots so youre not surprised anymore when it happens :) hope that was a wake up call for the video creator.
@@diogosoares595 so do you think he’s saying that in hopes that the guy in the video will actually see it and take the advice or is he saying it just to look smart?
You’re Hands are all over the place on that steering wheel, never do that when you’re taking a turn fast. Watch How Professional Drivers control the wheel it’ll help a lot
Won't help for shit watching others. Learn the basics in a proper sim and then get to a decently sized parking lot or quiet industrial area and do some car balance work. Watching pros work is how amateurs get the brilliant idea they can replicate it if only they "want it enough". Practice is where its at. Not on a mountain either, for that matter.
You need to be atleast somewhat able to catch your car,, and the only way your gonna be proficient in that (besides training) is keeping hands on 9 and 3 oclock,, simple as that.. as soon as you change positions and feed the wheel,, you have no idea what steering imput your using, so to counter is basically impossible.. its insane,, all these videos of vipers, corvetts, sti's, supras ON TRACK on youtube, an all are feeding the wheel, just a matter of time untill they loose gripp and inherently go off since its impossible to counter from that point. :)
@@Biffsteki Correct. It's retarded how instructor's (in UK at least) teach drivers to "feed the wheel". It barely works for parking a car let alone driving one at pace. Would've been a heck of a lot easier to correct the oversteer if he was holding the wheel properly
That's why you don't do it on public roads. There's 0 margin for error when a family, who didn't sign up to take part in your shenanigans, could be coming the other way around that blind corner. Hit the track. It's a lot cheaper than manslaughter.
@@sekou3758 if you don't want to get hit by him on your cbr, then it's prob the best for him to hit someone else, and learn the lesson asap. Don't you ever call me DUMB, call me Bad Bob lol
Gas is your friend on a fwd car, when in doubt mat it. The ITR bar will make your Integra rotate, so now it will tend to oversteer when you lift. Don't test the cars limits in a place like your video, it could have been worse!
That both wasnt the issue imo. Obviously I wasnt there nor fealt the car. Still looked to me as If he simply overcorrected the second the rear stepped out instead of hitting the gas. That send the car into a pendulum effect. Budget scandinavian flick :-)
@@maxwest4820 No No, I think so too bro. He wasn't even going that fast but it was his that accident in his technique that fucked him. It happens to the worst of us, not the best because we built different. THough the first comment isn't wrong he did brake causing his rear to slip out since it is a fwd Integra judging from the sound and interior look.
You can brake while turning its called trail braking and competent performance drivers use two feet not one or else the weight issue you mentioned happens
0:53 never try to follow the wheel with your hands when the car starts sliding, let the wheel flow through your hands and self counter steer then grab it and start correcting to maintain complete control of the wheel.
@@azza3144a doesn't even matter if it's a Honda man I agree with you that you should never lift off the throttle while taking a sharp turn high speed especially in a fwd but daniel was talking about what to do after the car loses traction
I m glad you're not dead. You misjudged that corner by about 20 mph and if by a "miracle" you held on, you would've gone off the side of the mountain on the switchback
@@cwbuilds9215 I definitely don't do this kind of driving on the road anymore. No more canyon/hill runs for me. If you have an opportunity, please watch the video at this link ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NWvufb8riv4.html.
When you know your life is in another person hands you want that person to be as calm as possible...that s why my woman knows to shut the fuck up when I play initial D😂
Keep your hands in the same place on the steering wheel when you're going thru a turn, you can feel the car better and would have made smaller and quicker adjustments to ride out your slip.
Sounds like someone’s mad they can’t afford a nice car so they’re reaching for shit to hate on. That better be a damn type r in the profile pic but I doubt it. Dick riding is an even worst form of transportation than your Honda Civic so knock it off lil guy
@@deaf2819 That’s a fucking Acura . Lol. Ain’t no one about to hate on an old integra. The Honda he has on his profile pic is 100x nicer than that Acura 😂😂 you need to eat a snickers dude
why what's wrong there he was holding steering wheel in right manner that's why he was be able to come out of that situation you guys now nothing about driving a car 🙄
Just gotta make sure you're in the right gear... where your RPMs are higher... don't make sudden steering or throttle inputs... don't push the car at the beginning of the corner.. but instead ease in... and as you reach or get near the apex.. increase throttle and steering as needed. Glad you got out of this one safely.
@@ThomasKane424 When your rpms and/or throttle are higher, there is more weight transferred to the rear wheels, less weight in the front, which we know affects grip. Therefore maintaining your rpm and throttle through a turn is critical... .. if you enter a corner at 5000rpm, and let off of the throttle then you will disrupt the weight distribution of the car, resucing grip in the rear, it's always best to ease into the turn before the apex, and maintain your speed/throttle input until you reach the apex which at that point, you can usually give a little more throttle. You also have to be careful giving more throttle as that of course can induce understeer, but it's generally better to maintain throttle or give more when driving FWD, because lift-off oversteer is a high possibility
I hope you've grown up and matured in the six years since posting this video. That was a public road. What if a family had been driving up the hill just where you lost it and crossed onto the other side killing a kid in a head on collision.
uh.... upgrading your sway bar would increase the slip rate of the tire. your rear end came out because the spring rate in the rear was too high. (stiff) Probably have some stupid stiff shocks too. You actually want more body roll to lower the slip rate, keep a larger contact patch at all 4 corners and improve overall grip. This is also why you want a loose shock and a softer spring rate. The stock sway bars are decent enough, making them stiffer is great for going straight, but you'll notice a lot of real road course cars use adjustable sway bars, so they can adjust as needed. Think about it this way, an upgraded (stiffer) sway bar (anti roll bar) takes the leverage of the suspension from the outside angle of the car and applies that force to the inside wheel. This is done to keep the car level in the turn. This also makes the slip rates very high, because the harder the turn, the more the body wants to roll and the more the inside tire loses contact area. If you can keep the inside tire plated you increase your overall bite on the road. If you want an idea of how a softer suspension increases tire bite, just look to the IMCA modified dirt track cars. The entire car rolls on some pretty wild angles. It looks wicked but I assure you the hookup is most impressive. I left my sway bars stock on my 95 GSR I kept the ride height stock as well, but I did slap some super soft adjustable shocks on the rear and lowered the spring rate quite a bit. I also lowered the front spring rate a little as well but that was limited due to engine weight and weight transfer up front. When I had the car I could drive the jesus out of canyons, but it floated down the straights like a cadillac. Rule#1 Keep everything adjustable, you'll need to dial it all in. Especially if you plan on making changes like body stiffening, structural supports, or full cage. Rule#2 buy once cry once. Spend the money on good parts. You'll save yourself heartache in the long run. Rule#3 Just because your buddy did something and he loves it, does not mean it was the right thing to do, and he is likely not qualified to determine the long term effects of his change. I have seen a lot of really nice cars slammed into rocks because someones friend bought the newest skunk junk and slapped it in the car last weekend and didn't take it to a qualified tech to have the alignment checked. Awesome recovery, I bet you had to pull your undies out of your ass after that. Do yourself a favor and take that car to Willow and run it there. All I need is you swapping lanes like that while my mom is riding her harley down the mountain. Plus at Willow they have scales so you can adjust your cars balance and dial the suspension up in a safe environment where you won't kill someones mom. Keep it safe, Keep it rubber side down.
@@hemiplow1297 what..... Understeer = too stiff, and front end slides instead of turns. Oversteer = turns too well, usually causing a loss of rear end control. most often the case of being too soft. Stiffer setup will only make cars that understeer, understeer more. Understeer, and oversteer refer purely to the way the front of the car reacts to steering inputs and and road response. When your rear end is too stiff, regardless of oversteer or understeer, your "slip rate" will be too high and the rear end will walk out from behind you. Example: drift cars. Soft front, with lots of steering angle, fairly stiff rear so that the slip rate is very high allowing them to keep the front planted at high angles and the back end loose without a ton of throttle input, but still have enough rear tire traction to propel the car forward and not over rotate in a slide. (the higher the slip rate, the stickier the tire needs to be.) Example: track car. Soft rear to keep the traction and power to the ground, not a really tight or really soft front end, to keep steering angle and traction at peaks without sacrificing one or the other. Example: Retard ricer with dumb internet education. Stiff ass coilovers turntup from some chinese company, but they are anodized purple like all the strut towers, throttle body, and valve cover they got from the same ebay vendor. End up in wall or with window in block every other weekend. because they don't know what overtseer, understeer, or slip rates are :)
@@bobbyd9583 well i found when Im too soft i sway alot.and that makes me not want to steer sharp.I have a challenger with a problem of oversteer...The car dosent slip at all.reguardless of how fast i enter a corner,its very planted.But when i enter a corner too fast i feel the weight of the front wants to drag me straight and before i was on stiffer springs i felt it more.After the springs it feels more graceful through the turns but i still feel cuz of the body roll it wants to understeer...My goal is to make my rear end slide a little more so i can have some oversteer in this car.even at throttle its hard for me to oversteer this car.
If you keep adjusting your hands on the steering wheel like that...when you do lose control your hands are in the wrong position and you correct the car incorrectly.
To much left turning of steering wheel is an only reason why he lost control. He should've turned half of what he did, with braking or gas pedaling depending on which axle is driving.
