This Ed Haley version of Lost Indian played by these fine young musicians sounds fabulous with the sound of the twin fiddles. Recorded on the Clifftop Tuesday, 2011
I am not arguing at all the legitimacy of the bluegrass and Texas version of Lost Indian. I am merely sticking up for these musicians who don't seem unschooled to us in old time music. The home recordings of Haley made on wax discs are a treasure trove of tunes that might have otherwise been lost. It speaks to these musician's schooling that they stay so true to the Haley recording. John Hartford helped make these recordings available. It would be great if more bluegrassers discovered them.
Awesome guys and gal! I really like this version. It sounds Irish as opposed to the version I'm used to. I recognize the melody even if some other goofballs don't. Great sound!
That was well worth the listen... Don't think I have ever heard that version of Lost Indian though. Keep up the good pickin there ya'll.... Hey lefty;, Two bits might getcha a shave and a bit of rosin for yer bow!! Thats some good fiddlin there. Really enjoyed it. .. Thanks...
The more common version of this tune that bluegrassers know was adapted/composed by Tommy Magness and then further reworked by Tommy Jackson. Haley's version, played great here, predates those by a long shot and has antecedents way back into the 18th C.
Tell that to Ed Haley, one of the recognized vintage masters of old time fiddling. In old time music circles, failure to recognize the more obscure "versions" of common bluegrass titles also gets one labeled as "unlearned and unschooled." Too many tunes, not enough titles. Where I'm from, Haley's neck of the woods in east TN, more old time fiddlers would recognize this for Lost Indian than other versions, pretty much note for note from the original field recording=conventional + commonly known.
horsepoetry Ed Is a cousin of mine he was from Eastern Kentucky/West Virginia both sides in the border country..Was born in Logan County WV and his one longtime residency was in Ashland Ky but they moved around a great deal him and Ella and the kids..
Ed was born in the area of Harts Creek in Logan County, West Virginia. He did travel a bit, but mainly around Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, and Southwestern Virginia. He married around the age of 33 and raised a family in Catlettsburg, KY. His later years were spent in Ashland, KY. Just wanted to clear that up so folks don't think he was from Tennessee. Plenty of good fiddlers down that way, but not Ed Haley.
Lovely great playing . ....but more in the STYLE of Bruce Molesky and Tommy Jarrel (two of my heros) Check out Ed Haley's style . That's what made him such a great fiddler . Not his tunes but his 'style'
Aliens land on Earth and ask “What is American fiddle music?” I play them this. They start dancing, and now know what American fiddle music is. Epic version.
I get your point, all great fiddlers. However, Ed Haley, born in 1885, predates them by generations. He supposedly learned a vast repertoire (including jigs) as a child before the days of radio and commercial recordings so its likely his version is quite old and unadulterated. Musicologists tell us there is a large family of old Lost Indian tunes in AEAC# tuning like Haley's version. The Kenny Baker or Texas-style version of Lost Indian is often called Cherokee Shuffle in old time music circles!
Based on some of the earlier comments, I am guessing that some of those were based on some other (probably bluegrass) version of "Lost Indian". I just listened to the Ed Haley version (cited in the comments as the version this group is playing) and this version is spot on to Ed Haley's version. The Ed Haley version may not have been available to listen to when this one here was posted, as the Ed Haley version ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3WIYaweO50o.html ) shows a date of 2016.
This is a very nice version of Lost Indian. I can certainly hear the Lost Indian melody here.I don't think you know the melody to this tune.By the way, I do play a version of Lost Indian that has a totally different melody....same name different tune. That is the nature of fiddle tunes.Take care.
..."tell that to":-Kenny Baker, Chubby Wise, Byron Berline, Paul Warren, Buck Ryan, Mac McGaha, Sen. Robert Byrd, Scott Stoneman, Curly Fox, Stuart Duncan, and I'm sure I cold exhaust all my remaining characters,..my point is, -that these listed above,- and a whole host of others, could and would, attest to my claim!
...;the third sentence above seems to contradict the first two??,...I might be able to close my eyes and hear a brass band playing THE STARS AND STRIPES FOREVER!!!!!
Sounds somewhat unique, however I can't hear the Lost Indian melody at all. The song has been so modified that it should be renamed. I do like Ed Haley's version, but he needs to rename also. I've heard many versions of Lost Indian, but I could at least hear the melody in them. Don't get me wrong, I think this is a cool tune and these guys performance of it is good.
If thats LOST INDIAN, then I'm the 'man in the moon'! Sounds like NO melody I ever heard! I'd suggest somebody put on a record or tape of the real thing and then put on their listening ears!
My listening ears are ALWAYS on!,...that is why I 'pick up' on things that are awry! The bad thing about playing a commonly known tune in an unconventional manner, -is that it makes the performer(s) look unlearned and unschooled! One could play YANKEE DOODLE to the tune of JOHN HENRY,...-but would it be wise?
This may come as a surprise, but tunes go by different names in different parts of the country. What you call Lost Indian also is called Cherokee Shuffle in certain parts. They're not playing the tune wrong, they're playing a different tune entirely Really it comes down to you probably only listening to only bluegrass instead of more traditional old time fiddling and expecting it to sound as stiff and rigid as bluegrass. It's cool though, I'm used to pretentious bluegrass fans acting like bluegrass is the only acceptable form of expression with banjos and fiddles.
