THERE WERE FORESTS THERE THEN .....JESUS DAD WAS A CARPENTER......ROMENS BILT A BRIDG IN MASADA TO KILL THE ASEANS.....EVERYTHING DISTROYED.......GOD D.. EVIL.....ASEANS WERE ONLY 33 YEARS OLD THE SAME AS THE SON OF GOD.............SAME TIME 70 AD......
Right! All poor man …. So all eat wear would have been made of wood or simply metal…especially since house they ate in also belong to a poor man! Judas never spent silver but gave it back sooooooo, he most definitely did not pay for any fancy plates or cups.
He was also a pedo zombie who swore his blood was wine and his skin was tasteless crackers oh and he basically raped a 13 year old too but fake magik water fixes all that right not actually water charged by the universes actual physical blessings like the sun the moon and shit right ?? But I digress but please do go on 😁😁😁😁😁
I dunno know what's more screwed up, the fact that a father granted his daughters birthday wish of having somebody's head as a present, or the fact that people have kept said head for years after and have been carrying it around.
That future is now and we're already doomed to experience the fall of our society. I'm not religious but it's like we've had the four horsemen of the apocalypse on a visit for some time now xD covid/pestilence, war/USA&NATO, famine(it's gonna take its toll on the world soon) and death/pollution of the oceans leading to these biomes' death.
We are fkd I just wish the comet would hit soon before we permanently damage this planet and make it uninhabitable for those that deserve it. We sure don’t
None of them waited around long enough to get an authentication certificate. If they had gotten that we'd have authentic proof that these were the real deals.
I just made a post that basically said the exact same thing. And I remember reading that if you took all the relics of saints, it turns out that a bunch of the Saints had 12 hands, and six legs, and three heads etcetera...
That is an old story. Someone went around and measured all the pieces and added up their volume. Turns out that the total amounts to far less than what would make up a cross.
Amazing. This is likely the greatest tale of forgers, scam artists and fortune hunters ever. Forgery exists even today, still robbing people of their fortunes.
8:38 'he learned he held the heads of John the Baptist and St George' - just laying around in a bunch of old junk, like in the Antiques Roadshow. Perfectly normal in that part of the world, people were tripping over the skulls of Saints on a daily basis.
@@razony and it was in some of those same nations where inquisitions were once held that finally resolved to make freedom of worship a standard. And don't tell me that that was accomplished by secularists, because the first overtly secularist government, that of revolutionary France, persecuted priests, nuns, and other believers.
@@razony The Inquisitions weren't wars, they were persecutions. The Crusades and Muslim retaliations weren't efforts to convert by the sword or spreading their religions. They were about control of the Levant and the political power that came with it.
It has been said that there are enough "Shards of the True Cross" to make a hundred crosses. Who would keep the cross of a dirt common "Holy Man" in a city full of dirt common "Holy Men"?
The Sacro Catino is just one of many objects that have been claimed to be the holy grail. Other examples include the Antioch Chalice in New York, the Valencia Chalice and chalice of Dona Urraca kept in Leon, Spain and the Nanteos Grail kept in the National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth. The latter has never been radio carbondated but is believed to be a kind of mediaeval bowl known as a mazer. It was believed to be made from the wood of the True Cross but in the late 19th Century it was proclaimed to be the Holy Grail.
Crucifixions during the particular Roman period had nothing to do with crosses, but we're merely poles that people were strung up on, arms extended above the head. Crosses were not used for a few hundred years later. The "cross" was really just a pole. Therefore, there IS NO true cross.
You would be incorrect sir, the Romans used a T shaped cross long before Jesus, Crassus crucified some 6,000 slaves on them after the Third Servile War, known as the Spartacus Revolt, along the Appian Way in 71 BC. The Romans used specific sites for crucifixions, places near intersections of roads for maximum impact on the local population. They would install several permanent upright stakes placed into the ground but they had a notch in them to attach the cross piece called the Patibulum. Roman soldiers used a Crux Commissa (“connected cross”). This structure was constructed from a horizontal beam connected at the top of the vertical stake, forming a “T” shape. Victims were nailed to the T with arms outstretched on either side of the horizontal beam. Their feet were either nailed together or separately to the bottom of the vertical post. The Patibulum was taken down with the dead and reused. People sentenced to be crucified would be tied to the Patibulum and be forced to carry it to the site of the crucifixion where they would first be nailed to the Patibulum and then raised up and dropped down onto the notch securing them to the upright stake and then their feet would be nailed to the upright stake. In the scripture it talks specifically about Jesus being forced to carry his Patibulum to the crucifixion site.
I have a piece of particle board I believe is the true cross. It has some ancient symbols that look like IKEA. Whatever that means. I think it's Aramaic.
Good day, I am an eminent scholar specialising in Ancient Particle Board relics. What you have is not sadly the true cross but one of thousands of replicas which were brought back from the crusades flattened and re-assembled upon reaching home using a tiny fiddly tool called I believe The Key of St Allen. The inscription is not Aramaic however, but is a Latin acronym which roughly translates as 'One born every minute' I hope I have been of help. 🧐
Fantastic research! Just trying to trace one of those “artifacts” and the places they may have traveled is confusing enough. Everybody seems to have owned a piece at one time or another. LOL. Thanks again Dark5 for another great episode!
Wrong Helena. The story of Helena of Constantine finding the true cross, was based upon the more ancient history of Queen Helena of Edessa, who became the Queen of the Jews in the mid 1st century. She had the largest palace and tomb in Jerusalem. But later Jews did not want you to know that they were ruled by a Syrian Jewish queen, in AD 50. The Mandylion of Edessa was a painting of the king’s son, who was called Prince Izas Manu of Edessa. Edessa was central to this story. Disciple Thomas Didymas (aka Addai), the brither of Jesus, was from Edessa and founded a Church in Malabar, India. His bones were sent back to Edessa in the mid 4th century. The Crown of Thorns was the traditional crown of Edessa. All the Edessan monarchs wore a Crown of Thorns. The purple cloak indicated that King Izas Manu wanter to take the Throne of Rome. It was the Edessan army that punished Herod Antipas, for beheading John the Baptist (see Moses of Chorene). The defeat of Antipas was said to be divine justice, for the death of John. This strongly suggests that John was yet another Edessan prince. According to Arthurian Legend, the Holy Grail was a sacred stone - the elegabal. The elagabal went to Rome with Emperor Elagabalus, but went missing upon his death. The Scots say they have it now, where it is called the Stone of Scone. See book “Jesus, King of Edessa.” R
And did you notice all the wars and conflicts and disease and financial woes still continued and continue after the “prince of peace” and love was long gone? So crazy.
wars where fought on Easter Island for a boulder that brought good luck for farming. back and forth it went. today everyone walked right by it to see the statues. 😊
Jesus Christ is the most talked about, wrote about man to ever walk this earth. The fact that you are making the comments you make says everything I need to know. Christ is very real and so is Lucifer. Literally what the Bible says will happen in the last generations are happening. Especially with how satanic mainstream is these days
I believe that these items are all false. It is horrifying to me that so many can miss the point so completely. The treasure of Christ is the forgiveness of sins and life with him after this one is over, and yet people still cling to things of this world for comfort. And yet, as the Crusades prove, they bring anything but.
As much as faith can do for humanity, some need physical symbols and if that can help bring them to the church (when I say church I mean the faith, not the religion) then I don’t see the problem. Many renowned scholars and scientists have been recently returning to the faith because of and also because of the lack of symbols. Those are just my thoughts though and to each his/her own. I am no evangelist, just a believer. I was baptized as a child in my church, The Shrine of the True Cross which holds a suspected splinter of the cross but throughout my life, that splinter meant less and less. It’s about faith in the end. The hole that only it can fill.
Wulfhere's Elena provides an ostensibly autonomous description of Constantine's fishwife mother's activities, including her search for the True Cross, where some wily local seems to respond as an Alibaba trader might, "Wholesale or retail?"
Helena went to the middle east to seek out major historic sites like where Christ was crucified, where he was entombed, and so on. She did not go to specifically look for the true cross. In reality she was presented with many things, some real and many things that were not correct but she set out to identify these various sites and so she did, rightly or wrongly.
Helena found the site of the crucifixion by asking an old jew where the site was. She apparently lowered him into a well and kept him there for three days until he revealed where the site was. So she got some legionaries to dig, they found three crosses apparently and not knowing which was which Helena got a leper to touch the crosses. When the leper touched one of them, it healed him, so Helena decided that was the 'True Cross'. Then she took the three crosses and ordered the church of the holy sepulchre to be started on the site. It must have been hard for her because the Empreror Hadrian had a pagan temple built on top of the site.
The one true cross if it still exists can only be in Saladins Tomb it was never seen again after Saladin and Richard I failed to come to a deal over it but Saladin knew what it was worth to the Church he would not have destroyed it but its still never been found.
it was a worthless lump of wood used to nail a criminal up on for punishment for saying nasty things about leaders. it was pulled down, shoved in a pile along with the other crucifixes used for nailing criminals up. the next week, or month, or however often the rom---jews had a nice nailing ceremony, then it was dragged out and strapped to the next criminal deemed worthy of nailing up. after a year or two, it might be getting loose at the joins, or the timbers starting to get a bit scungy and its getting hard to drive more nails in, so they chop it up, throw it on the fire when its cold at night, or to bake some bread, and go find a tree to cut down and make a new one. you are that deluded that you think ANYONE placed any value on a "crucifix" in those days, and that somehow it was left aside, stored away somewhere as a sacred ornament when the general society, especially amongst the well to do, the only people LIKELY to hang on to such a thing, considered him as no more than a criminal? that associated with whores, harlots, thiefs, murderers, the diseased, even married a whore (oh no, dont bring up mary magdalene...). the only people that gave a damn about jesus were too busy looking after themselves to give a shit about a lump of wood. and to hang on to said lump of wood for not just a year or two, but for THREE CENTURIES before this hellenic come looking?
In other words.... Most of these Christian "holy" relics appeared around the same time (around a thousand years after Jesus' death) and were used to form relationships and get loans. Got ya 👍
Wrong Helena. The story of Helena of Constantine finding the true cross, was based upon the more ancient history of Queen Helena of Edessa, who became the Queen of the Jews in the mid 1st century. She had the largest palace and tomb in Jerusalem. But later Jews did not want you to know that they were ruled by a Syrian Jewish queen, in AD 50. The Mandylion of Edessa was a painting of the king’s son, who was called Prince Izas Manu of Edessa. Edessa was central to this story. Disciple Thomas Didymas (aka Addai), the brither of Jesus, was from Edessa and founded a Church in Malabar, India. His bones were sent back to Edessa in the mid 4th century. The Crown of Thorns was the traditional crown of Edessa. All the Edessan monarchs wore a Crown of Thorns. The purple cloak indicated that King Izas Manu wanter to take the Throne of Rome. It was the Edessan army that punished Herod Antipas, for beheading John the Baptist (see Moses of Chorene). The defeat of Antipas was said to be divine justice, for the death of John. This strongly suggests that John was yet another Edessan prince. According to Arthurian Legend, the Holy Grail was a sacred stone - the elegabal. The elagabal went to Rome with Emperor Elagabalus, but went missing upon his death. The Scots say they have it now, where it is called the Stone of Scone. See book “Jesus, King of Edessa.” R
You rock! How about WWII P.O.W. camps in the US? From my understanding, the POW camp in Glenview for German soldiers including a Pub restaurant in later years. I heard we paid them more to be prisoners then to be soldiers. 80 cents a day
Lmao found this head in an alcove, there was a pamphlet with it that said it was of a religious figure from a thousand years ago, no need to question that LETS GOOOOOO
True Christians don't need old bones, pieces of wood, idols, or gravin images to worship Jesus Christ. We have a personal relationship with him. The second commandment tells us not to worship imagines of Christ. No statues or idols either.
@@razony That may be so, but the only way to heaven is by turning from your sins and accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord an savior. If you don't have Jesus Christ, you ain't gettin in, no matter how many trinkets you have.
That is supposed to happen at the end of the world, which we don’t know when will happen. When it does, St. John the Baptist will get it back somehow 😂
Mankind is at least several hundred thousand years old. Christianity is barely 2000 years old. Christians aren't guilty of anything any other religion is. And they do more charity work and good for the world than any others. I'm not even Christian.
The legitimate grail relic, the Holy Chalice, is in the Cathedral in Valencia. It was used by the popes in Rome from St Peter in the 1st century through St Sixtus II in the 3rd century. In 258 the pope had his deacon, St Lawrence, a Spaniard, take the chalice to his homeland in Spain for safe-keeping during the persecution of the Emperor Valerian. Its history is compelling, and would be a good topic for your channel.
If I had a nickle for every European church that claimed to have some true blue relic with some made up provenance to back it...I'd have enough money I wouldn't need to start my own religion.
What a shocking indictment on the way religious people have had critical thought processes removed from their mental toolbox and value belief over proof and logic. Sad and embarrassing.
You have to love all the mystery, traditions and history of the church. It's really fascinating. We shouldn't dismiss Jesus and Christianity. Our ancestors handed it down to us for thousands of years and suffered greatly to do so.... So maybe there is truly great value in it? As i grow older the more foolish I think atheism is. Just seems like atheists are very bitter and hate the church for their own twisted reasons... It's strange the hatred they have. If you don't believe in God, then okay....but why are you attacking believers with such hatred... For instance, you don't believe in Santa Claus... Why go around fighting children about Santa claus all day? It just seems to me that the deep hatred of Christianity that many atheists have is almost like a proof that it is real. Why would simply mentioning Jesus' name send so many people into an immediate rage/frenzy if it wasn't true?
As I like to remind people, today's world does not exist without Christanity. Hospitals, universities, printing press, banking, sanctuary, even valuing diversity for proselytizing, have Christian origins. Oops, I almost left out public housing.
Atheists don’t hate Christianity ? Why do make things up oh well you do believe in ancient myths. Atheists don’t hate you like you hate them. They feel sorry for you. All atheists are a people who bend more than someone telling them a story to devote their lives to it. Basically they need proof and there is ant any. I’ve always wondered why the bible didn’t prophecies the internet, plastic pollution, climate change all bigger than plagues etc
I think these were the most destructive times in our history of to what happened in the past, so many records of past history destroyed in the name of religion
Remember Ned Flanders was saved from a bullet because he was wear a piece of the true cross around his neck? The episode Homer went to clown college and resembled Krusty the Clown.
@@cittiavaticano and if you analysed the fragments not one would be from the same tree... ie, a forest. a random lump of wood just lay around in a corner, noone aware its "THE crucifix", and it just stayed hanging around in a corner for 300 years before some helenic lady came along asking for it? of course, 316AD, the crucifix wasnt regarded as it is now, was it? i wonder which jew saw her coming and got to name the price of a random chunk of wood? yes, yes, of course this is the very same wood that jesus christ of nazerene was nailed up on, my fathers fathers father felt it was worth retrieving and tucking away for a rainy day. of course, it survived in the backshed for 300 years, untouched, not burnt or used to make a table or just as a fence post... of course, theres no borers or fungal decay or anything that may dare infest such a holy relic..." relics. lol. find me one genuine relic. PROVE its genuine... or its all about "faith" huh? "protestant smear"... so, you are BETTER than a protestant? a superior being with a superior belief system? good for you.
@@paradiselost9946 i thought you were basing your conclusion on facts. you just made things up, ignoring too much to be able to talk to you about. is it a habit for you to speak on things your incredibly ignorant about?
We had a great comedy series in the UK. Black Adder. Takes place starting in the middle ages and finished at the first world war. In the first series Percy produces a finger bone of Christ. Baldrick stands agast, and says that he only thought they came in boxes of ten!!😂 The cleric's of the time notorious forger's!!!! Great episode thanks very much. Shame all those relics never helped Constantinople!!!
I find it amazing that the real prized possessions here are the box of cash left out so the faithful can attempt to buy their way into heaven with giving over what really matters to this monopolistic religion, money, instead of being good to each other, since all the crusades were over material possessions
Stumbled across your channel. Really liking it. However as an old Curmudgeonly CHRISTIAN,,Catholic, Im 90 n me n the Mrs still attend Church near every Sunday. Having read about how many churches across the centuries,,that claim they possess a sliver of the "True Cross" ,,the joke is as you should of heard,,,makes the Cross at least 100 feet tall n 50 feet wide,lol.😂
It’s crazy what stories people will make up to create meaning and power in both objects and themselves.. it’s even crazier what people will believe, and how much power they willingly give these people
I’d like to know how cannon were available to defend Jerusalem fully three centuries before the first crude gunpowder weapons began appearing in both Christian and Muslim lands.
Historians and Biblical Experts alike can't even agree as to what species of wood the cross was made of that Jesus was set upon... Was it a local tree like from Jordan, maybe some tropical wood from Africa, or possibly made of Oak from an old Roman war vessel made from timber cut from the dense forest of Britain or Goth...! I need details ..lol
Why should Catholics get any more respect than anyone else? If you appreciate it for one then shouldn't you appreciate it for all? I mean, it's only asking the same respect you're asking for.
If all these Christian artifacts were magical and if God was a real thing and not a made-up story like every other religions, then why doesn't God show up again
The Crusades were battles of the Catholics and Muslims. Not Christians and Muslims. There is a very big difference between Christians and Catholics. The biggest difference and most important is the belief in Jesus Christ as the only Saviour for those that believe on him (John 3:16). The Council of Clermont is how the Crusades began when pope Urban II called for the First Crusade.
The 'true cross' was supposedly surrendered by a high rabbi after Constatine's mother had him thrown down a well until he revealed it's location. Not a great reference 🤷🏼
The French kept the real Sacro Catino and gave a replica back. After WW2 the American government kept the real spear of destiny and returned a replica.
You would be incorrect sir, that carbon 14 test done in the 80's was DEBUNKED more than a decade ago. Recent tests that are more accurate than carbon 14 have dated it to the first century. The study was conducted by Dr. Liberato de Caro of Italy’s Institute of Crystallography of the National Research Council, in Bari. Dr. de Caro has employed a method known as “Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering,” or WAXS, which measures the natural aging of flax cellulose and converts it to time since manufacture. The process has several key features that make it more desirable than radiocarbon dating, not least of which that it is completely non-destructive to the samples. Furthermore, the size of the sample required for WAXS is much smaller, requiring just a portion of cloth approximately 0.5mm x 1mm. Carbon-14 inadequacy In his report, published on the website of Italy’s Department of Chemical Sciences and Materials Technologies, de Caro pointed out a few flaws with dating by Carbon-14 analysis. He noted that textile samples can easily become contaminated with substances that could skew its results. He wrote: “Molds and bacteria, colonizing textile fibers, and dirt or carbon-containing minerals, such as limestone, adhering to them, in the empty spaces between the fibers that at a microscopic level represent about 50% of the volume, can be so difficult to completely eliminate in the sample cleaning phase, which can distort the dating.” De Caro noted that fabric can even become enriched with new Carbon-14 samples. At this point, it would become hard to identify if carbon dating measured the original fabric, or a layer of carbon that was accumulated over time. WAXS Dating De Caro explained that the WAXS method was used on a variety of samples of historical textiles that have been documented to be aged from 3000 BC to 2000 AD. He placed the Shroud of Turin against these samples and found that it best matched a piece of fabric known to have come from the siege of Masada, Israel, in 55-74 AD. If accurate, the findings would suggest that the shroud originated around the time of Christ, and this could mean it was indeed Jesus’ burial cloth. Still, de Caro has advised caution, as the new date contrasts the Carbon-14 dating by such a large margin. Dr. de Caro suggested that the WAXS analysis should be performed by other laboratories in order to confirm the findings. In an interview with National Catholic Register, he said: “The technique of dating linen by X-ray is non-destructive. Therefore, it can be repeated several times on the same sample… it would be more than desirable to have a collection of X-ray measurements carried out by several laboratories, on several samples, at most millimetric in size, taken from the Shroud.” Pollen De Caro also noted some exciting elements that could help trace the shroud’s history and migration from the Middle East to Europe. He noted that the samples of the shroud contained samples of pollen from the ancient region of Palestine, which could not have originated in Europe. This factor alone suggests that the Shroud of Turin spent extensive time in the Middle East. It is funny how people hear something and they automatically assume that a matter is settled.
