You know that feeling when someone perfectly expresses something you've been feeling. Louie saying "if somebody loves a movie then it's a great movie" was borderline cathartic to me, wow I'm gay
Very very seriously. Can we not bring down men who ask for consent please? Pretty obvious by all his standup that he has kinks. You have every right to say “no.” In my opinion, you lost the battle the second you said “yes.” Let us not drag our funniest people for being human
3:00 “Somebody likes it, it makes it good” Best freakin attitude to have about ANYTHING. Just having the humility to say “I don’t get it, but that doesn’t make me right”
True, but just because I like it that doesn't make me right either. I have liked stuff that I now dislike, after having learned more (movies, music, books...). I believe there's a role for personal taste, but the more you know, the better your judgement is. Understanding that you may like something because you don't know any better is also important humility.
I'm so glad Louie feels the same way about Joaquin's performances in The Master and The Joker. He's definitely good in the latter and not overrated at all, but he was great in The Master.
@A Z so bc he likes one bad movie and “doesn’t appreciate the finer things in life” whatever the fuck that means which I’m sure you do genius he’s basically dumb nice
@A Z acting like you understand the finer things in life while joker is just the king of comedy and taxi driver but worse and not utilizing joaquins talent at all. jokers dialogue sounds like it was written by a 14 year old on reddit.
@@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv His standup is still mediocre as hell. Who cares what this dude has to say? Just another propped up celebrity hack. He's BORING
Yep. I never read comic books or watched Cartoons when I was a kid, apart from South Park, Simpsons, Family guy etc. I figured out pretty late that that was the reason I had no interest in Marvel films.
Bill likes to call people out and have people look at him as he is moraly superior to others. I also don't think he would open himself up to the criticism of being associated with Louis. I personally don't judge Louis and think he is hilarious.
@@maxis2778 It's a pretty obvious speculation with today's climate dude. If you're someone like Bill Burr with a show on Disney, could you imagine the reaction he'd get if he associated with one of the big names from the me too movement? I can tell you exactly what would happen: 1.internet babies would cry about it, 2.Disney would listen to internet babies and fire him, 3.his career in Hollywood would be over. Bill's a great standup, but at this point he'll do what it takes to fit in with the establishment
The Master is a great movie. Didn't think much of it first viewing, but after multiple views its now the best Paul Thomas Anderson movie for me. Amazing performance by Phoenix. In my opinion his character is the titular "Master". The heroic, tragic lost soul/free spirit who is the true master of his own destiny.
I thought they were in the same universe. De Niro's character is Rupert Pupkin from King of Comedy and he succeeded Jerry Lewis on the talk show. Joker was karma catching up with him.
Joker was nothing like the king of comedy. People keep saying this to sound hip or in the know. But they’re obviously two completely different concepts.
YES! I COMPLETELY agree with him! That’s exactly what I thought. The Joker was just the same character he played in The Master, but lesser. His performance in The Master was unbelievable. The Joker was just a superficial mental illness movie.
Two totally different sorts of movies other than them both having mental illness but even than it's two different types of characters. One character is more timid and shy while the other character is more idiotic and abrasive. Both are great movies though.
Yeah. Quinton didn't like it either except for that one part where the joker in his opinion "subverts the actual audience" that's watching the film in that one scene. I personally didn't like any of it.
Because todd phillips wrote the character for joaquin and was probably amazed by his performance in the master, also joaquin said something along the lines of 'a good performance is in the directors hand'
"someone else likes it, it makes it good." It takes such a level of maturity to realise this on an intuitive level where you aren't just saying it to be "fair".
If that’s true, then it means there’s literally no such thing as a bad movie, right? Because think about it, you could pick the shittiest, most awful movie ever made, and you’ll still be able to find someone out there who loves it lol.
He's done 2 of these podcasts on Joe Lists RU-vid chanel. (Comedian who's opened for him) They talked about Kurbick movies and another recently on PTA movies.
PTA is dope. Even his worst films are better than most people's best. There Will Be Blood is a film that I don't think even Stanley Kubrick could improve.
@@parthnigam916 uhh....easily improve it? the film is so influenced by Kubrick and true to his style that Im not sure he would feel the need to make too many adjustments. the film is also near-perfect as it is so yea..... elaborate
@@fluff975 I agree in the sense that the second half of the film is flawless , but my problem lies with the first 20 minutes. The Scenes where how Plainview comes across HW , those scenes are too slow and unrevealing , the scene where Paul Dano's twin comes and tells about oil field , it doesn't really tell anything , what are his motivations to bring the greedy and power hungry prospector towards his town or his relation with his twin brother . Overall the movie is pretty good as are all PTA films , but for me the flawless PTA movie is Punch Drunk Love followed by Boogie Nights .
I think the worst thing about the Joker is that it had to do with Batman. It should have just been a movie called "Arthur" or something about a crazy guy going crazy. I would have preferred it more.
@@55jemmz5 he has an older bit about adopting dogs. And how vets will prescribe medications for dogs to keep them calm. Which led to him making a joke about buying heroin for his dog that cost him 400 dollars a day.
Everyone except the actors and directors take marvel movies way seriously then they should be taken. Its just a live action childhood dream fully realized. Alot of marvel movies do pander to kids but when they try, I think they hit the nail on the head. Scorsese was right but all of his "fans" are pretentious as fuck lol. Let people like dumb, colorful movies.
Thank you Lee it's like we're not allowed to like things anymore and when we like them we get criticized and bashed for it because we're supposed to be above them fuck you if you think your above something or someone
@@BansheeMilk That's why something like Mad Max: Fury Road was so refreshing, mixed the old with the new more perfectly than any film since Jurassic Park.
True I like about 10% of the superhero movies I’ve seen, reeves superman, keatons Batman, Chris evans first and second captain America movie, punisher with Thomas jane, bernthal is pretty good too, raimi Spider-Man, moon knight , etc
True. PTA also wanted to work w/ Adam Sandler for Punch-Drunk Love and Sandler is notoriously known to make bad movies (I however, love his earlier ones). Why don't they criticize PTA for that for his personal taste?
Wrestlemania-style all-star battle royales KILLED THE GOLDEN AGE OF COMICS. Amd now theyre doing it to comic book movies. There were decades of stories left to rot because the next movie has to be bigger.
@@ollysombrero8427 When he hosted the multi-hour Opie and Anthony show, it turned into more of a sad advice show, though it did lead to some of his standup bits. It would be interesting to see if things changed or if he would have guests on and keep it more up beat and funny.
Ooooo shit. He needs a podcast. And I don’t feel like that about a lot of people who even do have them. But due to his situation and how people might still be seeing him that’d be great.
So refreshing to hear this. I thought I was the only one who didn’t like The Joker. The whole time I was saying to myself, “alright we get it! He’s down-trotted and pathetic!”
It was honestly very contrived. I thought it was really stupid how it became this social commentary at the end. Shoulda just shot the late night host rather than preaching about society and mental illness
@@nemsimic 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️Go watch The Dark Knight. Was Ledger's Joker about society and mental illness? Definitely. Because that's a huge part of the Joker. Duh.
@@roboninja3194 yes but I don't feel like it was jammed in there for some kind of political points. Heath Ledger's Joker seemed to be deeper and more archetypal. The other Joker ended up seeming like an extended mental health advertisement with his exclamation about society and mental illness.
@@nemsimic honestly I loved the movie but the speech where he goes "ur awful Murry" took me WAY outta the film because he's doing like child temper tantrum faces pouting his lips and shit and sayin things that sound like I wrote it when I was in my pretentious filmmaker phase "what happens when u cross a mentally ill man? YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKEN DESERVE!" Which is literally such a shitty line I can't even begin. Ppl still quote that scene and I feel like im the only one who fucken CRINGED at that godawful dialouge it's like Todd Phillips gave a 12 year old the script for 10 seconds. I would've liked it if joker was more of an adult, if he was less "goofy" or maybe even less nice. Cuz they do like this weird thing where physically he is an adult but he has all these child like almost retard like qualities to him which I thought was a very lazy way to get the audience to sympathize with him. The killings and his more subtle ways of performance made it really good! All tho one last thing is it honestly doesn't have a whole lot of replay value.
Joker is a good movie but it just became overrated and the younger fans don't seem to know that it took from better movies like Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy.
Holy shit. HE ABSOLUTELY NAILS my problem with Marvel movies too. Let the heroes be fuckin cool!!! I hate how they force comedy into the Avengers movies.
@@zakzak5892 About humour/bathos in the Marvel Cinematic Universe AKA the basic human behaviour. They're never going to stop with the humour because it's more realistic and makes the characters more relatable. psychologically healthy people gravitate towards people and things that can make them laugh and feel like they're having fun. The humour is probably the only thing about these movies that keeps the audience coming back. Feeling like they HAD FUN!!! Humour is used to enhance drama because once you can make the audience laugh, you get them on your side. You get them to give $h!T what the characters are going through. This is why the Zack Snyder films are so horrible. Superman died and the movie had done literally nothing to make me like him. He was a moody arrogant moron for most of the film and they expected me to care when they killed him. It was the most I'd ever laughed at a movie and I was genuinely happy he couldn't hurt anymore innocent people. Think about the people in your life who you enjoy being around the most. They're probably funny. Also about comic book movie fatigue. When I went to see Endgame there were kids who weren't even born when Avengers hit cinemas. You don't have to worry about people getting bored of the MCU when new fans are literally being born everyday. Captain Marvel made 1.1 BILLION $$$ and has an "A" cinemascore. Angry manbabies on the internet affected nothing. There are at least 305 thousand scumbags on the internet according to Geeks+Gamers subscriber count. The MCU should never have been making movies for those kinds of people. If Ghostbusters (a film that's much better than any comic book movie) came out today, you'd have 35 year old man babies crying that there were too many jokes and demanding that if a sequel is made it should have the same tone as a Bourne movie. Ridiculous. I also love how people rarely give examples of humour undercutting anything. It's just a general statement like they're too lazy to think of a criticism so they just go with one that's been thrown around message boards: music not memorable, cinetatography bad etc.
@@jackjackson2605 LOL I'm not 10 years old dude I don't need a movie to make me laugh or be relatable to my life every step of the way, it's a movie... You sound like you exclusively enjoy the MCU. Dunno. If you think they are good go ahead.
@@benlawson5939 I have to say, its the first time I hear that about Andrew, as far as I know most people consider him the goat of crowd work but not as goat-y when doing his regular stand up. Dont get me wrong I appreciate both but his crowdwork is virtually perfect. obviously it depends on our tastes
Did you just use Netflix and guts in the same sentence? I don't even think they'll ever have Dave back on the platform. Even he's too "controversial", because he said a penis makes you a dude or some shit.
@@KPho150 that's a dumb take imo. Dark Knight, Watchmen, Joker, Spider-Man 2, Man Of Steel.. All great movies with some decent intellectual or moral/ethical debate and nice scenes.
People feel compelled to say they like Joker the same way vaccinated people feel compelled to wear masks outside. It doesn't make any sense, but they don't want to be attacked by rage mobs.
@@SMokeUCantHandle many folks liked Joker because it passed off white liberals. I’ve seen liberals so angry at the movie joker and I’m like ‘Get a Life!’
The only issue I have with this take is that there are thousands of people who enjoy the comic based movies because they spent their loves collecting and appreciating these characters and stories. It isn't always incels in their basements. It's dismissive and generalizing.
I pounded the table for the master as best picture & best actor that year and was resoundingly criticized by my friends for it. They thought it was either just okay, bad, or pretentious
@We Back yep, I think loui was being a bit of a snob here. Had it not been a super hero movie he'd love it. Although I will say the master is a far better film and 100% Joaquin Phoenix should have won Oscar's for it. Honestly the entire film deserves multiple Oscar's. Philip Seymour hoffman was brilliant in it as well
i'd love to hear Louis' take on film scores, and Joker's in particular. One problem with being a musician is that I can appreciate a movie more if the score is bangin' or crazy good...
Jesus, look at all the people turning on a hell (and on 'Joker') now that there's someone they respect disparaging it. Four seconds before this video released you couldn't find someone who hated it if you were paid to.
The thing about the joker is that while the older folks just go "Oh, it's a todd phillips movie, director of hangover." "It's not that profound." "This is just like an homage to taxi driver" , the young people really feel this film resonated with them. They think it's amazing and profound. The character of the joker is very relatable to people who feel demoralized by modern society. it is made primarily for them. It's not made for 40 to 50 year olds who are way passed their angst, their youth, their days where they rebelled against the society.
I don't get it, he was..."okay" in The Master. It just seemed like a dude with issues, while L. Ron Hubert is getting a handy in the restroom so he could muster up the courage to kick him out. The movie was silly and overrated.
I liked the Joker, but later saw Taxi Driver and realised it was the same movie as Joker but better. I know this was a homage and not a rip-off, but it feels like a homage should add a bit more to the story in question, or make it fit in todays society better. It just didn't.
its clear that the one and only joker performance is done by heath ledger, what Joaquin try is much effort and performance in a non successful movie concept! By the way its nice to see this awesome Louis CK! Louie we need new material man !
I'm glad Louis compared The Master with the Joker. The latter is an insignificant film in comparison. I found The Joker to be trivial and overdramatic at best. Joaquin was amazing as always though.
I love all of the movies people say Joker is like but trivial and worse like The Master, Taxi Driver , King of Comedy etc. but I actually also loved Joker. I just of saw it as taking place in a half comic book/cartoonish kind of world that mirrored themes of the real world but it didn't take place in the real world like those other films , so I thought the material people describe as heavy handed actually was suited for the "world" it existed in. Perhaps it'll always just be my subjective interpretation of why the film worked but the divide on the reception of the film has intrigued me since its release and I'm interested in figuring out why it's objectively bad to people or why the commentary on mental illness in society was weak in your opinion?
@@juju-vl7oj I think it just has to do with a superhero-villain fantasy movie being further removed from reality. A commentary on mental health issues in a fictional movie about realistic circumstances is more substantial than a commentary in a movie that has a storyline taking place in a purely fictitious universe like Joker. Personally I dont like superhero- villain movies or shows so Joker just wasnt interesting to me. Plus it relied solely on Joaquins performance so after a while the film felt stale.
Not really, shitting on comic book movies became the new shitting on bad movies because most are bad movies that have little to no effect on the audience member.
I've seen a slight shift. 3 or 4 years ago, some old guy like Scorsese or Louis CK would say, "These Marvel movies aren't great" and the reaction was instant and infuriated. "SHUT UP BOOMER! STUPID BOOMER". This year it's become "Oh whatever". Maybe the kids from 3 or 4 years ago finally got around to seeing "The Master" (doubtful, but let's pretend) and realized that "Joker" was "Master Extra Lite". If all you've seen is Marvel, illusions can be dispelled when other movies are seen. Or, maybe the new kids coming up don't care about comics all that much. We didn't, in the 80s. Except some X-Men stuff, there was a lot of adult-themed comics. Discovering R Crumb. "Love and Rockets". "Ghost World" bleeding into the 90s. Times and tastes change.
It was an interesting "variant joker" story but the REAL Joker has great intelligence, imagination, superior social skills & charm. Most importantly, the *ability to survive any confrontation with Batman.* This tormented loner couldn't match Batman's brains or ass-kickery.
Yea, that's what upset me the most about this movie. How could this Joker be any threat to Batman? He would fold him like a common street thug with no effort required. Terrible depiction of the Joker.
I'm very similar. I love comic book movies and animated films but I also love Scorsese and Tarantino movies. I think it's the same way that people of a certain age love Westerns but our generation doesn't care for them as much.
I can't believe any adult crying over the superficiality of a marvel universe plot / character depth. I get it if you are a kid or a teen girl, but someone over the age of 20....!!!!??? How immature can someone be to get emotional over that
