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with that many tanky champions on higher tiers that can use frozen heart, tryndamere shouldn´t be in the a category, the get the item and the game is unplayable
Nice list Although I'm not sure why we'd use Z instead of S. S is exceptional, now everyone one is used to SSS but we don't have to continue the power creep. The entire list could even be shifted down to A at the very top if the bottom of the list was down to F.
You can name it in any way you find comfortable, Z is just the highest at the end of the day. I like my tier lists the way you do, but stuff like energy efficiency, game titles, stocks, car standards and other things often have their own tier names, but essentially they just split it by some merit.
@@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541 never said it was dramatic, it just looks silly to me. In 5 years people won't be using Z anymore because there is a better champion so what will be the best one after Z? Y?
It's simply because anything below C (arguably B) shouldn't be played for this tournament's meta, with maybe a couple exceptions. It actually makes the tierlist cleaner and easier to understand. No point in making a D or F tier when the idea of playing anything C or below is outrageous, unless they are comfort picks i.e. lee or azir
If we're going to break the understandable C, B, A tiers anyway with S and Z tier, then why stop there? Why not make the tier system C, B, A, S, Z, LS? You know, to make it extra confusing.
@@lightworker2956i don’t see your point, because he clearly explains his reasoning for a z tier usage plus S tier for tier lists has been a thing for a long time, and also almost everyone else uses S. this tier list is not confusing at all
He's really the hippy of League. People can only ever spectate on how either mad/insane or vision teller is he, for each of his idea in his pool of ideas He could have any special interest to yell at clouds abt, but he chose topdown moba & now League
@@Rhyolite-hyena The fun thing is that he has shown to be right a good chunk of times, but that never matters to people who like to trash him. Its like Alex Jones, he says a bunch of crazy shit but some of it actually starts to become true and now everyone is uncomfortable when he says something because they never know if that crazy thing might actually be true
Do you not expect poppy to show up as a top lane flex to support a more greedy jungle/support pick? She can forego a lot of resources and still be relevant around objectives with R and W. Is this just cope? I feel like she’s always relevant, so is putting her top allocating too many resources to her? I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Based off his % pickrates I expect to see her top at least a bit. She is my one trick and the 6 highest champs for top for him she has even or good matchups into. But in the past pro toplaners usually go on a don't play Poppy no matter how good it is speedrun any % challenge so we will see.
It's actually funny, cuz most proplayers at world will literally just permapick DON'T, C and B champions haha Hope we won't see the same 10 champions everygame. XD Hope to see more diversity and unique drafts!
Sion as an S tier blind is interesting. I don’t quite see it, but I think the rest of the tier list for top looks air tight. I’m glad Irelia and sett and Mao Kai are in don’t tier. Gonna hard agree. Aatrox as a don’t though is a little confusing though. Does he not also greatly benefit from enchanter popularity? Like what specifically puts him in don’t as opposed to, C, which I think is more fair.
I think Sion is S tier because of his ability to survive lane swaps pretty well. Especially if Jinx is going to be the best ADC pairing it with a Sion is going to be pretty good
Aatrox can't survive lane Swaps and then cant find a good way into the game, actually happened this year in multiple LCK games I think. Thats why I think he isnt picked as often as last year any more
I live for LS tierlist releases, even though I already know whats to come! Edit: BTW I am happy your tierlist is not as top heavy anymore, having 5 ZB tiers was absolutely way to much, because there were clearly not that many Omega Broken Champ. Top for Example generally not having Z blinds seems in nature of the lane, though I think GP and Gragas certainly at times had the status and made sense to be there, even if they aren't anymore.
Even though she's in C, thank you for at least keeping the Morg mid dream alive lol Most people don't even have her in the mid lane tier list at all Edit: AND ZYRA!
I’m curious about Naafiri at A in the mid list because it’s the champion I understand the least. Most other champs and spots in the tier list I can follow the logic but I just don’t know that champ in the first place. Anybody know resources? I just never see that champ.
It's because the champ is an S-tier counter. You literally cannot draft things like Corki and have another weak lane because Naafiri exists. However, since she is easily countered it must be given time and space to shine, hence why it can't be higher
@@remember7671 Yeah but that's only lane phase. What are u doing with naafiri in mid/late game. It is trash for splitpush and it is trash for teamfight the only thing in which is good is catch. U can't play a champion that has a one trick playstyle, champions in general are soo overloaded so Camille for example is good in litteraly the 3 things (splitpushing, teamfight and catch), want to take a midlaner as example u got Taliyah or Jayce. Naafiri it's just raw damage 0 utility or the team and it can only go foward cause it don't got a movement which can be used as an escape (things like Oriana W move speed, jayce E move speed help a lot, but naafiri dash is just not usefull
@@santi3256 I think the logic here was the flanking potential of the Naafiri, no one is gonna go in half assed in pro play my guy and also I'm not gonna lie a naafiri on a 1v1 sidelane match up is already obnoxious enough for this mage meta. But I think that's why it was only placed in A tier because you can think of it as a Yone without E or a Garen without R, but I do think that's why Annie was placed S-Blind because even though it's blind it can shut down that Naafiri.
@@santi3256that's the thing, if naafiri ever gets a good engage, flank or something like that, she goes absolutely insane in fights, because she annihilates the carries and keeps going with the resets
I think it would be nice list and introduce the names of the pro players who helped you make the tier list and thank them for thier help. As an average consumer I dont always know pros by name alone.
hi LS not sure if you will read this but if you do can you explain why sivir is in dont tier? i think she has good matchups in the lane and good pairings with other high tier champions like karma ornn olaf. granted jinx does invalidate her but still that doesn't warrant a D rating?
I swar if this worlds Shaco isnt going to be picked... The only problem with Shaco in soloQ : AD- doesnt do as much damage as any other assaasin + if u want to be efficent on him u need to play him absolutely perfectly AP- teamates ddoenst play around boxes. IMAGINE if Shaco gets picked at Support, or even MID or TOP or JUGNLE??? He can do so much when all players on his team know how to paly around him and how to use his map control for objective taking ect. + Pro players doesnt ABSOLUTELY know how to counter him xD Placing worse wards than gold players.
shame, i can't remember the last time i saw irelia being picked more than once every half a year. (IK she is bad for proplay), so much fun to look at when she's picked
Yo LS, you should really check out eSports Godfather. It's a MOBA management simulator with drafting, meta changes etc. Would be really interesting to see how you approach a fresh game when you're not familiar with its meta.
Jins could be picked B1 and played around for the last 5 years, and 90% winrate. She is busted OP, and it's so disturbing to not see her when she's "out of meta" because there aren't any hyper ADC players with an ego big enough to say "just play around me, we did it before, (2022?) we'll do it again"
I want GIANTX to sign LS as our new coach and give him the power to build the team he wants and cook up some spicy drafts, actually have a LEC team play strong champions.
If the stars ever align, you better have some seatbells, he'd make you all train for lots of Trump cards, each of you have to master 4 different classes, that still somehow miraclely fit to your strong traits, and all 5 members all having to know how to pilot the infamous "elo inflation" enchanters. If it ever comes(copium), make opponents drop their jaws all the time not knowing where to counter pick.
the tierlist thing is weird and dumb because half the time no one uses D or F, its like professional game or movie reviewers never giving anything below a 7 because its "too mean" to say something is outright garbage S A B C D F works fine
As somebody that is spending a lot of time playing limited MTG and reading/analysing 17lands data I can't wait for the dumb arguments people gonna make agains this tier list. Don't think any game I know is at the same so competitive yet so against optimizing draft/champion picks.
I love LS content but he uses the worst labeling for his tiers. Ive heard his arguments before and I know he won't change, but its so distracting to my autistic brain compared to literally any other tier names. Heck they could all be nonsense words. Anything
still so sad what happend with C9 back then, for years I want to see what this man with time and resources could do for the game... even if it doesnt work out 100% it would be great to learn and surely exciting for viewers... well to bad he prob. wont do this anymore... thanks Systems
Something I feel nobody mentions with fiddle is how insane his vision and vision denial can be. I used to play him support and go wardstone. I would have the entire jungle lit up there was nowhere to hide
If it's not about what will be picked and worlds and what will be the meta then why is it a worlds tier list and not just a 14.18 tier list, which anyway is too late cause 14.18 is over? I'm confused.
@@arthurverdugal4490 That's what I'm saying. Why make a tier list for what is good on 14.18 instead of what will be good in worlds? I don't get the purpose of releasing it after 14.18 is over.
@@MeistroEckhart Bc it's only best for 5 members team who can communicate & all knowing how to play with each other Also there're bunch of tricks in his mind that can change the whole dynamic of some champs, so that need to be keep in mind. Like Ivern's best item is Redemption for example, that one is finally popularized after a long time. So if you have a clan, and your clan figured out how to play out certain team dynamic(s), LS really believe in those likeliness of success
13:40 i feel azir is while weaker he can outplay like u said where everyone knows how to play and play with him this means jng can use the azir R really well and get huge value just with the shuffle and its value means azir will be pickable i even think for pro he is blindable even if u take a lose for lane you get shuffle and get the tools to outplay quite a lot
Ngl I like your thinking and takes but u suck so hard at presenting them, either you are just a mean person or you are very very bad at presenting information that is in conflict with other people's believes in a polite and understanding way, which would lead to a lot more people respecting you and your opinion. In my Opinion, 8/10 Tier list and reasoning, 3/10 personality. A bit of a yikes since one of those 2 will be more important when live afvances, won't it?
