LTT Kenesis Review 

"engineers"

ENGINEERS

You haven't worked on a big enough project if you don't believe SQL can be engineering. I'm a DevOps Engineer and have been stumped before trying to understand & optimize SQL based DBs in certain situations. @@hundvd_7

Lol! I do use it though, if there's 3 or more capital letters.

real gamers know the best flame is all caps or no caps

He never turns off alerts!

The man needs an alert to turn off the alerts!

It's my hope that they give him lots of joy.

There is one constant in the universe, it is this

of course not, obligatory "forgot to turn off alerts"

I looked it up and it's the keyboard I've been dreaming! But I'm not rich

My hands were starting to suffer RSI; the Glove80 has solved it completely. It justified the cost easily, as the pain of worse RSI would have cost me far more in lost income if I didn't get it.

After having tried the model 100, Ergodox ez, the glove80 has been a great great board for my RSI, and is a decent enough middle ground on configuration

Also use the glove80. I have mine mounted on my chair's arm rests. It's fantastic. Look the cost might seem like a lot but its something that you use for 8-10 hours a day and it'll last for a decade at least. Compared to the cost for handling RSI and the various tunnels, it's just not even close.

@@draakisback yeah, its pretty clear every decision for this board has been dictated by ergonomics first

+1 for Glove80, got mine two weeks ago.

I’ve had mine for a while now with brown switches, and absolutely love it. Use it with standard Dvorak on all my systems. Also, for people in Europe it’s cheaper to get than a Kinesis.

+1 for glove80, ordered mine last week. Desperately waiting for it to arrive.

Is the dished design significantly improving over something like the ZSA Moonlander, for someone who doesn't need the wireless features? End result is getting pricey, but the tents for Moonlander seem substantial at least. I'm coming from mostly gaming/mechanical keyboards and definitely feeling my age with longer writing and coding sessions. Currently use just a Logitech K860 but I'm inevitably led back to the luxury of RGB and mechanical keyboards whenever I can.

+1 here too. Got mine with kailh white clickys, and switched to colemak-dh layout. By far it's already my favourite keyboard.

Exactly

You would pay extra to not have a feature that you could turn off?

@@shmink2 Yeah and having to turn it off every single time I turn on the computer. So I turn on the computer, turn off the monitor RGB, turn off the desktop RGB, turn off the mouse RGB then turn off the keyboard RGB.

nice mid-stop is MS Sculpt - not as fancy as the Kinessis, and sadly not mechanical, but a very nice option. I have 3 of those at once - one I bough for myself, and two are from two different jobs that I got to take home after I moved on :) I just wish there was a low profile mechanical keyboard in the same chassis...

Just build any split ergo keyboard. If you solder one yourself it can be less than $100.

I got one last year and it is awesome I hope you get one soon

@@Qrzychu92 I would do lots of things to get my hands on a mechanical version of the ms sculpt - I keep trying new keebs, and keep coming back to the sculpt.

currently saving money for a chair that costs more than my sectional couch.

it's named "space" for a reason

I'd say it is clever. I tried shifting all keys up by one, so the zxcv row became a thumb cluster and it was painful. If you observe what motion the thumb is meant to do, it makes sense that you can just swipe the thumb unga bunga and roughly press space.

​@@theodorealenas3171you made me laugh out loud, thank you

what the fuck is a kilometer!?!!

Stupid Americans

Corne, 80% smaller - way better.

Get a Corne bro, way better and more modern.

@@bobbastian760 Doesn't look as durable. Also, doesn't look like the tenting is anywhere near as sturdy or versatile as the Kinesis. Also, no key wells.

Do it! I can type for hours without pain now. Took ~two weeks to get there though. Also I kinda disagree on the wireless take. But I'm heavily using the Bluetooth profiles to switch between devices. Charging is required only once a month or something. ZMK isn’t really user friendly though for customizing / updating. That’s the Pro in the name of the 360.

Kinesis contoured keyboard are game changing and life changing. The thumb clusters are amazing once you figure them out. (And provided you have “average” sized hands. I’ve put Command, Alt, Ctrl, Esc on the left hand 1u keys, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn on the right. Love it.

It is for laptops mainly, as seen in the ad itself. I have a similar Thunderbolt 4 dock to have my monitor and all the peripherals, as well as Ethernet and power, to connect to my laptop via a single cable.

that thing looks yuge bro - corne is tiny and likely much more versatile - and portable.

ayy also going with the engrammer once i switch

Batteries on keyboards last forever too as long as you don't have the RGB disco mode on. Like weeks or months.

Also i would say that having a 2.4ghz dongle keyboard is infintely better than just having bluetooth, I would never go with bluetooth again after using a keychron for a long time, also windows integration of bluetooth sucks ass

@@zednik8956 also not all computers support bluetooth

What controller are you using on your Corne? Is it the nice!nano or some other board? Fast switching would be a real QoL change for me.

A good budget friendly option is the Markus chair from Ikea. ticks everything you mentioned and it's like 150€ and comes with a 10 year warranty. And while you're at a IKEA get a 15€ foot rest. Also most people will do well enough with a normal ergonomic keyboard in the 35-100€ range. Kinesis et al. are the gilded pens of programmers. It's nice to get nice stuff for your profession but you can just as well write a novel using a regular Lamy.

@@bcfuerst Admittedly I have a more fancy chair - I can suggest the *Herman Miller Mirra Chair* Which I picked up for $200 in an office yard sale. Cool thing is you can buy replacement parts; seat broken - you take an Alan-key and the replacement seat and exchange it. I like to do buy used in most cases... You get better stuff for less - and the environment is also better off...

Daily exercise and a healthy deit also greatly prevents this.

I use only all on the right cluster. On the left side, I only use it it one button there 🙂 But yeah, Moonlander is awesome especially because of the layers.

Get a Corne bro - 80% of the plastic removed, you don't need that many keys, pick your own switches including chocs - WAY better than this hunk of plastic.

​@@bobbastian760 Why have you commented to like 10 people saying buy a corne. There are so many reasons that the Corne is not "WAY" better than this "hunk of plastic" whether its key wells or simply durability. No need to justify your purchase by making others feel like they should do the same.

Mate the wrist rest budges when u press on it, same as the thumb cluster. It is cheap garbage made in china

@@sorvex9I'm not your mate, buddy.

@@kevinryan2992 I am not your buddy, fam.

Yes. Mod-tap, tap-dance, hold-mod, etc. are all their but the way they're configured is a bit different so getting the timing right gets a bit a weird. I was able to port my Corne layout from QMK to ZMK but the same timings don't work the same. Bilateral combinations are supported out of the box without using something like Achordion or having to program the logic yourself.

I think both run on the same "Core" so whatever you use the only thing diffrent is the fact ZMK works for wireless keyboards. Don't quote me on that, though.

i basically have the same. though i do use the numpad a good bit. i generally dislike entering numbers using the standard numkeys above the keyboard. its why i bought a nice full keyboard with browns like 4 years ago. now i use the moonlander since im going full into software dev and engineering.

I have 4 layers but I only ever use two most of the time. My secondary layer contains a mouse navigation layer (plus some pgup + page down and navigation keys for scrolling pages if I need to) for short clicks around websites when I don't want to lift my hands off of my keyboard. Three third rarely used layer is my numpad layer giving me full numpad on my right hand. The fourth layer I rarely ever use is for backlight controls - brightness up/down, patterns if I'm feeling fancy or whatever.

"Unboxing +", not a "Review -", like Linus said

That's my main beef with the ErgoDox as well, I just built myself a Corne with choc switches to check if I can adapt to a much smaller keyboard and I think I'll change the controller to make it wireless just so that I don't have to worry with the TRRS cable. If you don't like to DIY, there are other options, like the Corne-ish Zen, ZSA Voyager and the UHK, if you want a "less awkward" keyboard.

💯 agree. I love my Moonlander and it's flashing capabilities! Never have to worry about my key layout and layers no matter which machine I plug that bad boy in.

They don’t have to be charged at the same time, and the right side battery lasts forever. At least if you don’t use the backlight. I keep one of the cords at home, and one at the office because I use it in both locations.

I’ve been using the 360 Pro since the Drop pre-order shipped (October, 2022). I think I’ve charged it 2-3 times. When I needed to charge it, I just plugged it in at the end of the day and left it. Compare that to the BT trackball mouse that needs have its single AA battery changed about every six weeks. I love the features of the mouse, but it’s terrible for battery life.

As a brazilian, here's my tip: DIY is a lot cheaper, if you got the patience and knows someone with a 3D printer, you can save a lot of money. You can also arrange your orders so you don't spend over 50 bucks in any of them and avoid most of the taxes you'd pay on a commercial, off the shelf product. But I also got to admit, unless you're really willing to put quite a bit of effort, no DIY solution will be as "polished" as a mass market product. You get what you pay for...

He's just Ken

i like to goon on my parting chips

A mechanic that codes? That is super cool.

Absolutely, thank you! I discovered coding during my apprenticeship and invested my free time in mastering it. I find it fascinating because it bridges the gap between virtual and physical realms, making it appealing for anyone who enjoys creating. Currently, I find a balance between working on tangible projects and immersing myself in the digital realm. However, my passion lies in pursuing my own coding projects, as I see greater potential in them compared to my traditional 9-5 employment.@@ZombieJig

I'm so happy with how fast you could turn your life around! In fact, this comment inspired me to change my life around myself. I'm now 7 years sober, am married and our second child is on it's way! Thanks for your comment for inspiring me to change my life for the better!

Thanks sir. Embracing change, failure, rejection and beeing ready to feel uncomfortable is the key. Growth is hard and painful. Thats why most people fail to change. "Stay yourself".. what a bunch of brainwashing... Aim WAY higher than you think its possible for humans and you will get to your previous goals with ease and wonder what tf happened with yourself. You can literally change your behavior and become a different person by thinking about what the person that has what you desire would do in each situation in your own life and choosing the way that this person would go every time. If you really want it you will automatically do the required things to become this exact person that you envisioned. So thats literally the only thing you need to do: Thinking about a imaginary person that owns all personal traits you REALLY want including all important details and you just start acting this person. At first you will fail of course, but you will finally notice where you fail and know how you should adapt. Thats why I said be ready to feel uncomfortable. Once you start dreaming you need to go through the suck of it to proof to the universe, god, whatever that you really want it with all your heart. The power is in you and its in the present moment and you know what? You are already doing this and never did anything else. Your thoughts are your entire reality bro. Let me repeat this: Your thoughts are your ENTIRE reality and they always were. If you take this to extremes you literally are resposible for everything that ever happened to you wheather good or bad. Society, schools etc will mystify this and not teach you shit about how to use it. Its 100% on purpose so you stay within your frame of "me", teach you that failure is a F and as a result everybody seeks a simple life where failure or rejection just cannot happen to them anymore, aka a 9-5. . Nobody talks about it while its one of the powerful things I ever learned and as you see most favorite thing to talk about. I hope you can use all this information! Let's grow! @@apacheopenoffice4.1.14

That's what I have. Have a trackpoint module and a cirque touchpad module on each side. Perhaps more time to set up, but a lot more ergonomic and customizable

I also have a corne with tenting feet and home row mods. It's been a game changer. Having more keys is not always better. Having more customizability through software is more important IMO.

Im waiting on cipulots ec/topre corne kit