@@retroK6607 effectively she told the truth or not to me because in this episode we see Chloe was scared when Lucifer touched her and it proves that she was still seeing the bad in Lucifer,his actual face, the devil's face et it scared her so to me she didn't really tell the truth because yeah she doesn't really know if she could accept him like this but deep inside her she knows that she couldn't accept this for the moment she will be able to later but not now so in my opinion she didn't tell all the truth
This is bullshit this entire show he has tried 2 convince her he is the devil she even has seen him do shit that Normal humans cant. Its not lucifers fault that every1 blames him 4 they're sins lucifer doesnt want 2 b seen as the DEVIL he wants chloe 2 c him as a friend so now this just show that chloe only saw lucifer as the DEVIL even after everything they have been through i umderstand she is scared hell i would b 2 but instead of looking at the stories and legends about lucifer look at wats infront of u after lucifer has doen so muuch 4 chloe so i dont blame lucifer 4 being upset its bullshit
Can we? her performance here is as amazing as ever, she really is able to draw the emotion behind her character, with a talent that makes you forget sometimes you're watching a tv show.
lets say your brother or someone came up to you and said he was the devil every single day would you actually believe he is the devil... same situation for chloe
I don't think it is that easy to really believe someone that he is the actual devil. We, humans, are more likely to try to explain situations and miracles in a more realistic and simple way than just to believe that someone is the devil. Her reaction is completely realistic.
@@aliciaborth3016 yes, but he bleed when she shot him, so of course she did not believe he is the devil because normally the devil is immortal and does mot bleed
You can feel the pain. All throughout the series he's been struggling with the fact that humanity sees him as a monster and here he realises the one person he thought saw him differently is as terrified as they are :'(
To be honest? Lucifer even in Christianity is probably one of the most misunderstood characters. In the beginning Lucifer was the one who was tasked to help create humans and the universe and well just about everything and he wanted too. But he wanted to take the credit and glory from god. So he rebelled and was cast out of heaven. Thus the reason the burden to make all of creation fell on Christ/micheal. For all we truly know? Lucifer is just an archangel who is really the embodiment of sorrow and betrayal rather than evil. He doesn’t desire to kill humanity. What Lucifer wants in Christianity is for people to follow him and suffer from there own afflictions and temptations just as he has. I have sympathy for him. This show would more than likely paint a perfect picture of what the devil actually is. He was one of the first born children and he has felt betrayed ever since then. This show has actually made me cry thanks to Tom ellis’s portrayal. He was cast from his home and family. Although the rebellion probably doesn’t make him look good? I’d be pissed too.
In Sandman is stated that Lucifer mocked the human beigns for using him as there scapegoat for there own failures and despite been charged to torment the souls of sinners, he consider that there own guilt and ego is what bound souls to damnation.
@@DJ-ln8iy He is a full on angel, though. He is an Archangel. It's just that he fell and also took on the role of "The Devil". However, there's no race of sentient beings that are called "Devils". There are Demons, to be sure, but these are separate entities that are created in an entirely different manner.
@@mousedorff453 Yes but he is also very different from angels. Angels do not possess his Mojo nor his Devil face or form. Maybe it came when his farther just decided to send him to hell but if it didn't that make's him VERY different. so maybe he IS an Angel but you can't deny that he is quite different from the other Angel's up in Heaven
Why does everyone keep repeating that stupid phrase "actual devil"? I know I'm crying the wilderness but I really did not like Season 4. Felt like watching a train wreck or a puppy being kicked around by the people it loves.
She's not very religiously literate though. A lot of Jews don't think Ha Satan is evil incarnate . Jewish POV: HaSatan ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZeYxCgKKZas.html Religious literacy is the knowledge of, and ability to understand, religion. The importance of being religiously literate is increasing as globalisation has created greater links and migration between societies of different faiths and cultures. It has been proposed that including religious literacy as an aspect of public education would improve social cohesion.[1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_literacy What is Satanism? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ohGj3BnOVyg.html Don't get me started about what she said about being an atheist back in season 1. "I'm not an atheist exactly because I believe in good and evil." (Rolls eyes) Atheism is just a position on the God claim. Nothing else.
yeah some people were upset at the way Chloe treated Lucifer but I feel like the way she acted was how most of us would react. I mean, people literally go mentally insane when they see a glimpse of his devil face. like that first criminal.
@@rebecca8477 Nah, I'm an atheist who is interested in learning about other religions. Lucifer in the show is actually somewhat closer to how Ha Satan is said to function in Jewish tradition. Not exactly, but closer. (I.E. Like God's District Attorney.)
I can understand why Chloe tried to send Lucifer back to hell cuz she was so scared, but damn u can see how hurt Lucifer felt after discovering what she tried to do to him. How she betrayed him. That really sucked. Props to Tom n Lauren on the acting
In her defense hes the litteraly the devil so you have to imagine how hard it is for her. Not only that he is living proof that heaven and hell exists.
The sadest part is that she cant see how much shes hurting him at this point. Imagine opening up like that to the person you love for them to tell you they're terrified of you 😥
Not everybody can handle knowing the LEGIT devil as well as Linda, but I love Chloe’s character progression throughout this season. Coping it in a way a lot of ppl would.
There’s a huge difference. With Linda, Lucifer was more open about his emotions so Linda saw him more than just the Devil. Chloe is barely seeing his human side
@@KanekiKen-fc3qo how? that is a pretty bold claim, especially since the show is about he devil and i know its from a comic but its about the devil. that is like they made a show about hitler as himself being the good guy.
@@56jklove Yeh my point is anyone can make a bold statement without knowing shit. The show isn't about the devil, it's about us being slightly wrong about the devil. One thing it portrays well is that we don't actually know anything about Lucifer because we derive our knowledge from books made by men. Plus I want you to define evil because what's evil about questioning shit we know nothing about? To me it just seems like you're another one of those brainwashed Christian's who doesn't know how to think for himself. God made us in his image and he made us intelligent enough to question stuff like this. If he didn't want us to think then he wouldn't have made us this way to begin with.
One of the thing I didn’t like about this show. It’s still amazing but the story line sometimes disappoints because we expect a lot and somehow it feels like we’re back to the beginning in the next episode
Tom Ellis and Lauren German gave performances of a life time with this season seriously this show is one of the best written ever in recent years. sure season 3's writing was a little rough around the edges but season 4 easily fixed that by making both Lucifer and Chole's characters both act like adults and not inconstantly immature/mature i do love how S4 did literally everything season 3 did but did it better and acheived even more. the love triangle was executed perfectly and even had a really cool twist to it and there was no dragging of pace whatsoever. truly a successful firey hellish season.
@@samuela9245 Season 3 to me picked up in the last couple episodes but was annoying at the beginning. I somewhat understand why the show was cancelled as I believe they use pre-finale ratings.
@@SenoritaTorres1 a twist in the sense of there was no twist everyone was expecting Eve to be a ultra Possessive evil seductress whom would immediately go fully villain the moment Lucifer ditched her for Chole but she didn't she had a fully rounded of arc like everyone in the show and what was impressive is that it felt like she'd been in the show since day one and that she hadn't just been introduced into the show this season.
This scene is just pure gold from the acting, the emotions from both sides and the dialogue. If you knew the person you love is the devil could you accept it and would you still love that person?
Well everyone’s saying they would. I would love to believe I would as well. But honestly it’s a lot more complicated than that. Chloe went through so much with Lucifer and no matter how many times he went out of his way to save her life when he knew he would get hurt, the moment he showed her his devil face she got terrified. Yes I’m sure we would all (or most people) get over the fact that our loved one is Lucifer but that face is completely different. You’ve built a love with someone that you believe is a normal person to see their face morph into something completely different and then find out he’s the evil written in every bible and is supposedly the core of all evil, that’s a completely different thing. I would hopefully accept my loved one but obviously a lot of warming up to his other side would be needed.
@@toughteddy4746 thanks yeah... I needed to write it because I could not stop think about it so I was happy when I saw comment. I just love Luce....adore him and it's breaking my heart seeing him with such pain in his eyes...
@@toughteddy4746 yeah I feel the same... Tom is brilliant actor and I just love this beautiful man... 😍 seeing Luce in such pain touched me deeply. I'm happy I'm not alone. Wish you amazing weekend.
There are so many layers to this scene that you have to watch it multiple times to try to catch them. He has always told her what he is, she didn’t believe him and fell in love, she saw what he actually is, and now she’s scared shitless even though she still loves him. This short clip is mentally exhausting but pure genius in writing, directing, and especially acting.
The show is still the same, written by the same people. The only thing Netflix did was allow more swearing and nudity and increase their budget. This season was this good because everyone who worked on it were glad they weren't cancelled, and wanted to give back to the fans.
@@agentundercover yes its still the same people, but you'd be surprised how quality varys when different studio takes them on. The talent has always been there but the nature of how Netflix is as a production company allows these talents to shine even brighter.
Oh my god does anyone else notice how wonderful the lighting is, with both characters being half covered in dark (for lucifer) and light (for chloe) but both also having flickering lights showing their mixed moralities and feelings ahhhhh i'm so happy lucifer is at netflix now
I really liked this scene because it felt really natural and a real reaction that someone would have if they found out someone they cared about was the Devil. She's someone who's really scared and conflicted and lauren played it so well without getting mean or irrational.
sdasi1, I thought the same. It wasn’t that “all that heaven stuff” was real, it was how she felt about Lucifer that was really tormenting her. She knows that she should fear and hate and revile WHAT he is, but she can’t deny that WHO she is is nothing like what she’s been told, and more than that, it’s the man she’s fallen in love with. Her performance here really was great. I poo-pooed it as too emotional originally, but now I understand the nuance of it. Also? Wow. They REALLY nailed the make up on Netflix lol
She's terrified that he's manipulated her into feeling the way she does for him, not terrified he's going to hurt her, she says that she's just a nobody, why would the devil himself, pay so much attention to a random human? Kinley put in her head that she was just being used as some sick joke by Lucifer. Chloe didn't formulate what she wanted to say properly which is understandable considering how highly emotional she was in the moment, but she just wants to know if he really cares about her or if it was just a game. When he asks if she can accept him, she says that she wants too, that she's trying too, she doesn't want to lie to him again after all the Kinley stuff so she chooses to be honest and say that she's not really sure. Upon Lucifer turning away from her she instantly regrets what she said, but doesn't think anything she says will change how much she's just crushed Lucifer, you can see that he's clearly holding back a near total emotional breakdown, just by the look in his eyes
Chloe is scared by the enormity of loving someone who is part of maintaining universal balance. Lucifer is hurt as he's always been honest with Chloe and has shown her his true personality.
Netflix is probably gonna ruin it at some point though. Most of their originals are terrible political tripe with zero substance. But I'm glad they picked this one up. So far so good.
Netflix brings such deep and organic emotions to Lucifer ever since they picked it up. The acting was amazing, the SE, even the story was quite interesting
Netflix had very little to do with that. They were the backbone, allowing them to bring the show to its full potential, by taking away some restrictions, giving them a bigger budget, and only accepting 10 episodes. Besides that, the props of the writing and acting all go to the original crew, because nothing has changed in that regard. They are incredibly grateful that they could continue the story, and this season was pretty much their love letter to the fans because we made it possible. This show's community is unique. I never see anyone being toxic and there's only love. Both from the people who work on the show, and the people who watch it.
“I don’t care that he was trying to hurt me. I care that you were.” This whole scene summarized in this one line. Luci is probably used to people trying to hurt/kill him. But the one person he loved and cared trying to hurt him. The worst kind of betrayal.
This scene is so much more impactful when you realize that Chloe unintentionally broke Lucifer's heart in nearly every way that hurts him the most. He thought she'd abandoned him(like his parents), and when she came back she lied to him(something he hates) and planned to cast him back into Hell(like his father). On top of which, she couldn't quite accept all of him in that moment. He poured his heart out about his fears about showing his dark side to her, and now that he has, all those fears just became a reality in that moment for him. Definitely not something that can be resolved with a single apology, but so glad it happened because it revealed huge issues that both of them had to overcome.
Chloe's outburst that she was terrified of Lucifer is one of the best scenes in this show. One of the only times Chloe actually loses her composure and points out the obvious to Lucifer. It's so powerful. The clash of these two characters at their very core levels is so amazing and compelling
When the whole comment section is about how great the acting and set up of a scene is, you know what good actors/ actresses and studios are. Thanks to both the crew and ofc Netflix!
This is probably the most heart shattering thing Lucifer ever went through, he completely shuts down after, doesn't leave his penthouse for weeks, just drinks himself into a hole, it wouldn't of surprised me if he didn't feel like returning to hell after that. Chloe was his one hope, his one light for being seen the way he always wanted to be seen, and then she throws in his face that he's evil, that everything bad happens because of him, something he hates to his core, having the one person he loves see him as evil when she promised him multiple times that she wouldn't broke him. He's not been shy with telling her how much he hated hell, how it was terrible, how he didn't like what he was forced to do, she knows it's his worst nightmare, yet she still tried to send him back and in the end she did send him back to hell, so Kinley succeeded in the end. She knows Lucifer hates liars, and people who pretend, yet she does exactly that, she lies to him 7 times in this one episode, and she pretended to care for him whilst working with Father Kinley, and that she only tried to fix the issue after she was caught instead of being honest from the start. He's told her about 5 times that all that will ever matter to him is what she thinks of him, so hearing her say that she can't accept him must of felt like he was dying all over again, especially considering how much Lucifer has done for her, how much he'd changed, become a better person, and all of that was thrown back in his face, because a book said he was bad. Chloe of all people shouldn't judge Lucifer for his past life, considering she went through the same stuff when she joined the police, after hot tub high school, he was the first person to support her when she was down on her luck in S1E1, however she doesn't return the favour to Lucifer when he's desperate for that support
I really wish they had written in more dialogue where Lucifer got to throw it back in Chloe's face how badly she messed up. "How am I, a regular human, supposed to deal with that?" "By remembering that you know me! You know who I am! I'm not just some fairy tale to you! We've been working together for over a year, and in that time, I've never lied to you about who I am. Now all of a sudden when you realize I was telling the truth, what, everything you know about me, everything we've been through together, that all takes a back seat to what you read in some book from a thousand years ago?! I would expect this from a stranger, detective, but I thought that you base your conclusions on what the evidence shows you." "I do, and I --" "Well, *evidentially* not. I think you should leave, detective. I wouldn't want to continue to terrify you."
idk man, i think the fact he doesn't defend himself speaks to his own inner conflict. at the end of season 3, he had finally realized that he controlled his wings / devil face and started to see himself differently, straight up telling chloe he's starting to not see himself as the devil anymore. then he kills cain & his devil face comes back, & now he's struggling with viewing himself as a monster again. he doesn't defend himself against accusations of evil because part of him is terrified that they're true. also guilt-tripping chloe after she clearly already feels bad about the whole situation isn't a great move imo
How has Lauren German not gotten some kind of award yet? Tom is perfect as Lucifer, but I feel like Lauren has been the shining star through the whole series.
The acting in this scene was amazing, especially from Lauren. She truly stole the scene.When she screamed "BECAUSE I'M TERRIFIED" I legit teared up. She delivered it so perfectly. This episode was truly Lauren's episode. She nailed the emotions!
You can tell that at first he is angry with her but once she told him that she’s Terrified, Tom is such a terrific actor that you can tell he is trying to hide the heart break at first and that he is so depressed just from the words that Chloe says
@@merchantmocha4665 Surprisngly, yes? Him being the Devil, or even God, doesn't change they're my buddy. They just happen to be a buddy who either believes or wants to be called the Devil, a little weird but in today's world what's a little weird? Nothing changes after that. Buddy is buddy who just might happen to be the Devil.
It’s really shows the quality of the writing and acting when you’re sympathetic to both sides of the story. I really feel for Lucifer, betrayed by the person he trusts the most, but I also feel for Chloe, who’s entire world has been turned upside down, from her entire belief system and finding out the man she loves the most infamous figure of all time. I get chills every time I watch this scene.
Lucifer was signed for 3 seasons with fox then cancelled Netflix picked it up and signed for 1 season only being season 4. Season 5 is still unknown. If it gets good reviews then maybe. Tom Ellis is for the idea for season 5 though
One of the things I love the most about this amazing series is that all the writers and Tom Ellis as Lucifer actually managed to turn the DEVIL itself into a relatable, sympathetic character. Just the fact that they took what is widely considered as evil encarnate an made it as endearing as he is is just astonishing. Hats off.
It must be devastating for Lucifer to realize that his therapist, who he sees like a few hours a week at most, dealt with him being the Devil better than the woman he's in love with and who he spends most of his time with, the woman for which he literally died twice and went to Hell to save, the one for who he killed his own brother to protect, can't even answer a yes or no question 1 month after learning about it even after trying to betray him. Like, even ignoring everything else he did for her over time, just the fact that he didn't hurt her or her close ones for literally trying to kill him should speak volumes about how he's really not what the history books says he is. To be honest I was really disappointed and I kinda thought that this would make him turn into exactly what she believed he was, because such betrayal after everything is exactly how you create a villain.
I felt so sorry for both of them. He has to face the most brutal rejection for being who he is. She has to face that openig up about her true feelings and insecurities just devastated her loved one's heart. I'm not crying, you're crying.
This right here is the best scene of the whole series in my opinion the acting from both of them is top notch the emotion, the twisted pain, the complicated anguish of the whole situation is just phenomenal
1:12 - 1:23 for me this is the best moment of season 4... when she actually has to admit that she lied to him. And Lauren German is acting it so sweetly... it hits even harder if you rewatch it during season 5 when it becomes absolutely characteristic that he never lied to her.
Lauren German delivers amazing acting here, she's really talented and proved it many times throughout her carrier, sad it didn't get recognized as it should have.
One of the saddest part about this scene isn't spoken about enough, which is when he turns his back on her after saying he's gotten his answer, you can see Chloe's heart shatter that he's turning his back on her, this isn't what she wants, you can see the regret wash over her, she wants to say something more but doesn't think it would even help the situation so she swallows her words and walks out in tears. I think this is when she realised the gravity of her mistake, that there might not be away of coming back from this, she's lost the devil she loves, her 2 best friends in Lucifer and Maze, her partner, her biggest supporter and someone she saw as a step-dad to Trixie because she lost sight of the man she fell in love with in the first place. her entire world is crumbling all over again.
i wonder if maybe he turns his back cos he's tearing up and doesn't want to let her see that. There were two broken hearts in the room right then. Have to agree, this is a powerful scene with amazing acting from both of them
The slightly annoying thing is that he didn't get an answer at all. She said she wanted to accept him, but didn't know if she could. She didn't reject him; he just needed to give her more time.
You can actually see it when Chloe calls herself a nobody, he's thinking "you're not a nobody." He just feels hurt by Chloe. He doesn't think anything less of her.
When I first saw this scene, I initially interpreted it as Lucifer resenting Chloe for not being able to truly accept him, but after some deep thought, as well as watching subsequent episodes, I realized it was actually him resenting himself, because his mere existence is causing pain and fear to someone he cares about deeply.
Honestly as angsty as as their goodbye was, Tom and Lauren's acting hits different in this scene. Lucifer's heartbreak, the betrayal he felt from the one person he selflessly loved and Chloe's feelings for him, overpowered by her fear and the overwhelming feeling of falling in love with an immortal. No matter how many times I watch it I still feel that invisible punch to my gut. I'll never understand how Lucifer doesn't get recognition in awards shows when there's acting like this.
You know what makes it even sadder? The fact that he is the devil personified and he could lie every time he wanted to but he did not because he loves her and on the other hand Chloe who is just a human was capable of break his trust, lied to him and disappointed him at the same time. How sad that a celestial was capable to remain truth to himself and to her was betrayed by the person he love the most.
While I'm mixed, I also lost faith in her here too. While I like Lauren I'm not a fan of Chloe. When the show started, I found Chloe to be a strong woman. But with the whole thing with Pierce and the priest she lost that fire and I found her to be a shell of herself. In the last season she got her strong personality back. Yes it was the normal average human reaction but Linda's was so much better. Luci had never lied to her, he always said who he was and she didn't believe him. Unpopular opinion here but I am on the side of Lucieve. I loved him with Eve. She wasn't the best for him but they could've explored that relationship a bit further rather than have poor Eve become a Chloe clone. Although Eve and Maze are wonderful together
I loved that the episodes are shorter and the filler episodes are gone. Netflix not only saved lucifer but it let it make itself become better and IMO the best season by far.
It's not that easy. Can you wake up next to the ACTUAL devil for the rest of your life no matter how much you loved him? You might say yes but it's easier said than done. It's not going to be peaches and roses knowing the person you love turns out all of a sudden to be the devil, the embodiment of all evil. Accepting takes time. Sometimes a lot of time.
@@jaxonrangerdiesel6406 What makes you think that Lucifer is the embodiment of all evil? The Bible? You must judge people by their actions and their impact on people, not by what some random book says about them
