Tbh most pirate captains can essentially accomplish this, so Luffy beating kaido and the rest dealing with kaidos crew kinda only means Luffy smokes his own crew.
I think the exception to this is Roger Pirates. Rayleigh was definitely much closer to Roger in strength, he is the Dark king after all. Besides, Rayleigh must have been there in the fight vs Rocks; Who do you think was holding up Big Mom or Young Kaido? Def Rayleigh and Gaban. Zoro will catch up to Luffy in strength one day
Where did you draw that conclusion from Fam? Pretty sure Roger was clearly stronger than Rayleigh. Don't think White Beard was like "Lets test my strength against the dark king" LOL@@mohamedab9033
Is this your Opinion even after thinking about Kid's awakening? Come on! I know he Mid in storyline but real lol. Killer dont stand a chance.@@colocharite5251
@@Par-Blindspot Not sure what KOL was talking about with Chopper, anyone who can be smacking around Queen and holding his own isn't going to be dropping from Conqueror's haki.
I expect Big Mom to come back either looking like she did from her Rocks days due to sacrificing a ton of life span to power through the lava and be hell bent on revenge before she dies; or as some kind of hybrid of her and Kaido, having taken Kaido's last bit of life force to escape the lava chamber and having some characteristics carry over.
@@dzou8645 she should be able to, but donesnt she need to speak out orders for her homies? but she was stil muted down there. i think the lava would feel bad to kill her, but couldnt do a thing. or whatever, we dont know haha
Realistically, Zoro, Sanji, and Jimbe are the only ones who can fight back against Luffy, but I seriously can't imagine, even with the three of them combined, tanking a Bajrang Gun. An Onigashima-sized conqueror-coated fist. An attack that sent final-form Kaido straight into the magma.They're just gone.
Showing wise, I honestly don't think Luffy will lose to Onigashima Big Mom anymore, especially in Gear 5. The level of attacks that Big Mom exchanged with Kid and Law at the very end of their fight, those felt like they paled in comparison with even the more basic exchanges between Kaido and Gear 5 Luffy, especially in the anime
Completely agree. Even putting power aside, Luffy unironically is resistant to 70% of Big Mom's attacks. Hera is useless, and Prometheus while not completely useless we know ain't doing much cuz Luffy out here tanking Blast Breaths. Big Mom is the one who needs a power up now, not Luffy lol
This is just another attempt to downplay Kid and Law. Although it is Big Mom and Kaido who are the measures of strength by which their opponents must then be scaled, certainly not the other way around. And being the two most durable characters, if some attack is capable of breaking Big Mom's bones, then on Kaido it will have almost the same effect, and YES, even without the advanced conqueror's haki.
@@hdjd2saucy Anime is, we've had multiple scenarios where they went on to provide more context on areas we were short of in the Manga Like sometimes we can't tell if Luffy is using conq haki till the anime provides us with specific color palletes that indicate it
Last I checked Conquers Haki only knocks out those with weak wills, the weakling trio may get scared from time to time but their willpower is not weak.
I think the only one it would work against is probably Chopper, although even if Nami doesn't get knocked out she can contribute very little as her only weapon is completely ineffective against Luffy, at best she could create mirages like she did against Kalifa and create a distraction. Ussop might be able to tie Luffy down with some special plants and his firebird star could cause some minor damage if Luffy isn't using Haki to defend himself in that particular area, and assuming Chopper doesn't get knocked out immediately then his monster point may be capable of helping to hold Luffy down although like Kid vs Kaido I doubt his physical attacks would cause much damage.
You’re forgetting about the fact that Luffy can control lightning if they do get in the water situation, he could just electrocute the whole crew multiple times over could probably add hockey to it as well make it hit harder
Not only will it reflect but with his awakened ability, it will turn the mirror into rubber that will absorb the projectile and bounce it back 10 fold.
Ppl who believe Sanji and Zoro are Relatively the same lv as Luffy are the same ppl who legitimately believed ZKK. I thought it was a joke/meme but ppl actually believed that.
I can't, in good conscience, say luffy can't turn water-based attacks into rubber since Aokiji can literally freeze water while being ON THE WATER. Because of that, Jimbe support attempts may get neged
Post timeskip, at no point where any of the strawhats as strong or stronger than Luffy, and it will never happen. Having the advanced applications of all Haki forms + gear 4 was already insane, but gear 5 on top of that is just broken lol
@@mulkmanto4797 explain how Zoro beats Boundman Luffy? Even Base Luffy has better speed, far better agility, far better physical durability, advanced forms of each haki and more experience with them; Zoro is completely outclassed, which is obvious because that's his captain
zoro was not effected by kings speed are we really doing this I said gear 5 claps but if second and 3rd commanders beat bound man zoro claps that’s just gotta make sense I telling me cracker can damage and beat on gear 4 but zoro can’t zoro blocked the conquest of the sea then blocked and damaged hybrid kaido he beats bound man
@@TrueReverse74 sir cracker beat gear 4 it took him going gear 4th twice to beat doffy kaido 1 tapped gear 4thv but a stronger mode of kaido got more damaged by Zoro than luffys first encounter tell me when I'm telling lies Luffy my favorite character but y act like he hasn't lost in said form to weaker people than Zoro kat destroyed bro but Zoro no contest u sound more delusional than me Zoro ain't getting beat by gear 4
That's assuming shes alive. If shes alive, she probably would have had a crazy haki bloom. Or Oda could just write her character consistently, and have her actually use her insane Haki. She did fight Kaido to a stalemate in Onigashima before the raid.
@@visoth7791 use your brain if she lives then kaido too lives because kaido was presented as someone who has even higher durability than her someone who multiple times survived execution and tries to fin a way to die something that isn't the case with big mom and from the fact some characters like franky can go on up of big mom it's clear that kaido has a better durability so that assume is non sense if you assume big mom lives then assume kaido lives as kaido litterally has a better durability.
@@glumdrop4672 kaido is was presented as someone much closer to immortality than big mom he literally survived guillotines multiple execution methods escaped multiple times from jail tries to die. While big mom franky with a motorcycle on top of her lol in terms of durability it isn't even close.
@@greywarden5513 No, he doesn't lol. Zoro has been the favorite in a hypothetical Luffy matchup throughout almost the entire series. It wasn't until Gear 5 that Luffy finally became a _slight_ favorite in that matchup. At no point has Luffy ever been the heavy favorite and "taken him to the woodshed" lol.
@@phothewin6019 “Zoro has been the favorite in a hypothetical Luffy matchup through out almost the entire series.” Lol I have no idea if you typed that with a strait face or actually believe that, shades of flat earther silliness. Zoro gets bolo’d by Arlong, Luffy breaks his back, Enel puts his feet on Zoro’s face, Luffy crushes him, Zoro extreme diffs Mr1, Luffy mashes crocodile, Zoro can’t kill a giraffe, Luffy forces Lucci on life support. I can go on, Zoro stuck in a chimney, Luffy with not leverage pushes apart two buildings with his raw strength. Zoro has never had any attribute over Luffy, strength, Speed, Durability, even his bollywhoo’d endurance doesn’t touch Luffy’s. Y’all Marimo truthers need to go back to being delusional about Zoro getting to box a main villian, he has no chance against his captain.
@@greywarden5513 🤦 Do you not understand that different characters can matchup differently against different characters? That "A beats B, and B beats C, therefore A beats C" logic isn't applicable every single time? That's versus debate 101. Setting aside that Luffy gets the head honcho in each arc for obvious plot reasons, just because Luffy does better against X, or Luffy is fortunate enough to get X as an opponent, that doesn't mean he'd do better in a matchup _against Zoro specifically._ For example - Enel. Luffy was LITERALLY the worse possible matchup for Enel because rUbBeR. A character could have higher DC, endurance, speed, skills, etc. than Luffy at that point in time and still do worse against Enel due to _matchups._ Versus debates aren't just about who punches harder than who, you know that right? You know that there can multiple factors in versus matchups, right?
@@phothewin6019 Plot reasons? You mean Luffy being the Captain? Zoro is consistently and without fail in equipped to fight Luffy’s battles, Luffy’s battles always are against the strongest opponents. The ABC logic can be sketchy…unless there’s a large enough sample size to draw from, which we have 😂 You can argue skills vs strength, handicaps vs advantages, it changes nothing, Luffy’s stats are THAT much higher than Zoro’s. He’ll do it by feats then, While Zoro was cutting steel, Luffy was warping a city by plowing a man through its bed rock. When Zoro was struggling to dodge/counter attacks from a giraffe, Luffy was disappearing before his opponents eyes. When Zoro had nothing happen, Luffy was simply eating that pain/stress and would have recovered fully in a day instead of being injured for the remainder of the pre timeskip. There is nothing that elevates Zoro over Luffy other than him using a sword, if you go that route Helmeppo might have a chance too, Why not Kunia!🤭
It's a valid reason with Jimbei to subdue Luffy with water, but my question is, is it possible for Luffy to make water rubber? If so that could be a huge gamechanger
Kol talking about sanji tanking more damage than jinbei, he forgot luffy can infuse Ryo in his punches literally making sanji exo skeleton useless. Sanji haki is also very poor , jinbei is a master of armament haki and he stands a much better chance at tanking hits than sanji. Sanji never even took anything close to a Magma fist before, or any hits from a yonkou
Conquerors Haki could be a problem for Usopp, unless he's out of range. Usopp is also the Batman of this universe, because we don't know what tricks he has in his bag and we know he can be formidable against Luffy if given prep-time, and those factors are exaggerated now because of the timeskip. I don't think he spent 2 years plotting how to take down his captain, but he probably thought of ways to take down something similar because he does hyper-focus on covering his weaknesses, like losing against Luffy in Water 7 got his gears turning for what he could do better next time. Brook is tricky not because of any perceived weakness, it's more about if his soul power is comparable to Conquerors Haki, because it does a lot of similar stuff. And not only does he have the slashing advantage, he has the highest speed, and he could neutralize Luffy's fire with his own ice, if not overpower his fire. Alternatively, he may not need to hit Luffy, we know Luffy is extra susceptible to his musical effects like sleeping to his lullabies, that might even neutralize gear 5 all together by lowering his heart-rate. The most Chopper can do is the Scope ability at the start to give others the start of a plan, but after that he's got nothing in his arsenal that would work. At the least, he could be in monster point to survive long enough for Scope. Nami borders on useless here, because everything she has Luffy counters. However if Zeus can be used as a floating platform, she could give Usopp the best angles to do whatever he can. And if she can create a torrential downpour, Jinbei would have the water to work with. Sanji actually has nothing that would work against Luffy in combat. But he's a cook who knows Luffy's favorite foods, and he can fly away really fast, if anything, he's excellent bait for a distraction. Robin is best for relaying information to coordinate the crew with eyes ears and clones, because she wouldn't work offensively. Like how do you Clutch or Stomp a rubber boy? Franky has to stay away and use his coup de burst, radical beam, or gao cannon, because I don't know if the Iron Pirate can survive Ryuo or Gear 5. Zoro will have to be the tank that keeps Luffy occupied, and the DPS, but he's needs support to succeed.
I know this is all in good fun, but nami chopper amd ussop walked around like nothing when big mom luffy and kaido where all using Kings haki and even the beast pirates where passing out amd thinking it was ussop.
2 years with the rev and no haki just doesn't make sense to add to my comment : Sanji was trained by Ivankov and learned both armament HARDENING and observation, but Robin who could have been trained by literally everyone in the rev, and confirmed to have atleast been training with Sabo, Koala, and Hack doesn't and even know basic armament is just crazy. What Dragon even do in that 2 years?
@@ash_vortex I'm not really arguing that she did, just expressing surprise. I didn't watch the end of her fight against Black Maria, and I couldn't remember what happened exactly from my earlier reading. I only watched a video explaining it a few months ago, and from that video I had the impression that she used it.
Dragon meeting Luffy will be super weird. Dragon can have the add add fruit, and he can add so much to his body that it can look like a western Dragon. That fruit can also cause a windstorm by adding wind. It is the best fit for Dragon in my opinion.
i don't think Usopp and Nami would fall to Luffy's CoC, because they aren't scared of him. Nami especially. No matter how powerful he gets, Nami would not be intimidated by Luffy.
It's not about fear though. It's all about whose willpower is greater than the others, but I could probably see a gag where Nami just doesn't get affected and punches luffy while he tries to do it.
I don't think any of the strawhats, except chopper, is guaranteed to pass out upon Luffy's coc. What about that scene where Big Mom's coc was leaking through the halls and the fodder pirates passed out but Usopp remained and even claimed it was his own coc? I think the strength of coc can vary because it is tied to a person's will and same goes for the weak-willed in defense. Nami and Usopp's will is going to be strong enough to not pass out against Luffy's coc if they have a strong resolve at that moment. Also, if Luffy's under mind control, I think his coc won't be as potent because it's not his own will.
Yamato might genuinely tip the scales if she does ultimately join the crew: 1. Ability to serve as the main tank, plus Conqueror’s 2. Potential insight into Awakened Zoan traits and nuances 3. Ice synergy with Jinbei, Nami, and possibly Usopp
Honestly I think Luffy would still take it against the crew extreme-diff. I don't see, Nami, Chopper, Usopp, Robin and Franky and even Brook contributing anything significant to the fight. In fact there's a high chance Luffy is knocking out everyone in the crew with Conqueror's haki, except for Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe. So really it's these 3 in the conversation. You could argue Luffy is around BM's level now and even Law and Kidd who are slightly above commander level had to cheese a win against her. So a Luffy that isn't as dumb as Big Mom (in battle) has a good chance at beating them.
Realistically, Zoro, Sanji, and Jimbe are the only ones who can fight back against Luffy, but I seriously can't imagine, even with the three of them combined, tanking a Bajrang Gun. An Onigashima-sized conqueror-coated fist. An attack that sent final-form Kaido straight into the magma.They're just gone.
Nice video! I might add that, even if Luffy didn't knock out the weak trio with his conqueror's haki, it could potentialy backfire on the crew to have Nami fighting. Seeing as Luffy could just grab all of her lightning and instantly electrocute most of the crew - in majority, they aren't fast enough to outspeed lightning. And actually none of them are faster than Luffy, so he could speed blitz most of them before they even realized what's happening. Only Sanji and the few with good observation haki and reflexes could attempt to keep up, but it's one thing to predict what's happening, and an entirely different one to move out of the way. And Luffy has future sight to make things so, so much worse for the crew, too. If he was serious, they are not landing most of their attacks, if any. Furthermore, there is a possibility - just a speculation though - that Luffy could just... grab water like rubber or just bounce off of it. He literally grabs lightning and stands on the clouds, as if they were a solid ground. We saw other devil fruit users handle water with ease, like Aokiji freezing it solid for miles with no apparent effort. So with Luffy being as ridiculous and powerful as he is, I wouldn't be surprised to see him grabbing waves like a towel and flinging them around, or just using sea as a trampoline. Logic sort of breaks in his presence x)
Luffy does not solo the entire crew imo. There's definitely a gap between Luffy and Zoro/Sanju but its not so great yet that he would be ALL of them at once. Luffy did not beat Kaido on his own by any means and Gear 5 is not invincible + time limit. The SHs are also familiar with his weaknesses and the synergy/strategy between them would make them stronger than the some of their parts. Luffy is the strongest but I just can't see him winning because the gap between him and Zoro/Sanji is not large enough
Realistically, Zoro, Sanji, and Jimbe are the only ones who can fight back against Luffy, but I seriously can't imagine, even with the three of them combined, tanking a Bajrang Gun. An Onigashima-sized conqueror-coated fist. An attack that sent final-form Kaido straight into the magma.They're just gone.
Zoro and sanji are commanders, they cannot compete with luffy AT ALL, the most they'll get are some blows on him, but none of them are dealing with gear 4 let alone gear 5, NONE of them are fighting a hybrid kaido the way luffy did IN BASE, zoro is nothing compared to luffy right now, none of the strawhats are. They get folded like laundry.
Like the crew said when they went up against oars bc he had luffy shadow they told him as a captain he should know better then underestimating his crew. But luffy should win 8/10 times vs his crew.
@@DripJambe I’m not denying luffy gaps them your acting like I said the crew would always win. Overpowered or not the weakling trio especially nami and usopp know how to mentally play and anticipate luffy better then most ppl. The crew has powered up as well and they have added the 430 plus million former warlord in Jinbei. Luffy wins but let’s not underestimate the rest of the strawhats. It why I gave luffy the win 8/10 times
@@JACKAGLAW that’s the dumbest thing I’ve read today. The combined strength of zoro sanji Jinbei and robin are enough for them to outsmart luffy. He’s pretty much a guliable idiot it’s way to easy for usopp or nami to trick luffy and for Robin to restrain him long enough for Jinbei to throw them in the sea. No one is debating how powerful luffy is,but at the same time we have a cannon event of the strawhats essentially telling luffy in the form of his shadows in oars to not underestimate his own crew. As long as Jinbei is in this crew there is always someone smarter then luffy with the power to drown him.
I think Brook is the biggest issue for Luffy. I know it’s a gag, but Brook has lulled Luffy to sleep a few times with his music. That would create a huge opening for the crew. 🤷🏾♂️
Randy Troy: my girl vivi gonna talk no jutsu luffy winning the fight Morj: smoker joins the crew and defeats luffy similar to how aokiji defeated blackbeard. Parallel themes Rogersbase: carrot nakama Brago D. Luffy hater: Yamato can 1v1 luffy while the rest subdue him Tekking: depends on where they’re fighting because geography is everything Sawyer: *missing*
At the end of 2022 my top 10 was: 1. Kaido 2. Shanks 3. Akainu 4. Big Mom 5. Black Beard 6. Dragon 7. Mihawk 8. Aokiji 9. Kizaru 10. Luffy Now I think it is probably: 1. Shanks 2. Kaido 3. Akainu 4. Big Mom 5. Luffy 6. Blackbeard 7. Mihawk 8. Dragon 9. Aokiji 10. Kizaru something like that... Luffy has the potential even right now to be #1 imo the only thing holding him back now is story. In actuality though he could easily be number 1 with his current Haki and DF he is pretty much limitless. If we are comparing everyone to Luffy then Mihawk might just be a bad matchup for Luffy but he can probably make his sword rubbery too so who knows.
Either the people in the comments are delusional (which Zoro and Sanji fans tend to be), or they have completely forgotten what happened in Wano. Luffy at the beginning of Wano was YC1 and got 1 tapped by Kaido. After he did his prison training and learnt ACOA, he was able to damage Kaido a tiny bit. Bravo. At that point, his red roc did more damage to Kaido than his gear 4 moves did pre-rooftop fight lol. Yet Kaido still fodderised that YC+ Luffy and like a YC3/2 Zoro (I won't mention Kid/Law/Killer since they were mainly pre-occupied with BM). That YC+ Luffy then learns ACOC (unmastered) and still got fodderised by Kaido. You can speculate how much stronger unmastered ACOC made him, but for another comparison - unmastered ACOC turned Zoro from a YC3/YC2 with YC1 AP, to a YC1 fighter with YC+ AP. So based on that, what did it do for Luffy? Something like turn YC+ Luffy to YC++ ? Then, after that...he eats + has his haki boost and now returns with Mastered ACOC and portrayal wise...is as strong as the weaker yonko at minimum (sky splitting feat etc). Kaido still beats him but its definitely a fight now (and they're both weakened)...and after that...a lower level Yonko comes back and learns Gear 5 lmao. Gear 5 was so busted that Kaido who just put down a low level yonko (thanks to CP0 sure, but Luffy even stated that his attack was his last before he got hit), struggles to do any truly significant damage to Gear 5 Luffy. He cut him with slashing attacks, tried to burn him with fire, tried to burn him with magma, tried to use what was likely his strongest physical attack and he still couldn't do any significant damage to Luffy in gear 5. None of the crew is doing anything to Luffy. Heck, if you want my personal opinion...Luffy is so far ahead of his crew that he could probably beat every single one of them in a 1v1 in base form..i'll push it to gear 2 if needed. In Gear 5, they don't even come close together. Sanji the strongest physical fighter/fire user is nowhere near Kaido's physical strength who couldn't damage Luffy. Zoro the strongest slasher/cutting user isn't doing significant damage to Luffy is Kaido couldn't with his slashing attacks. Jinbe has hax with his internal damage due to fishman karate...but we've seen Luffy handle internal attacks against Sentomaru pre-ts...and he still kept it pushing (somewhat)...and we are seeing with the recent chapters that Sentomaru isn't exactly weak. And Gear 5 amps his defense by a ton so what's Jinbe gonna do. Robin doesn't have Haki so she can't even do damage to normal Luffy let alone Gear 5. Franky could unironically probably do some damage with Radical Beam and General Canon...but that damage would be so miniscule as well. Brook...he isn't even close to Zoro's AP and Zoro isn't doing much to Luffy so Brook is doing 0. Chopper? Lol. Gear 3 Luffy knocked out Franky/Chopper in Punk Hazard and Luffy has since gotten 50x stronger. Nami isn't doing anything either. Zeus straight up doesn't matter vs Luffy. Usopp could maybe come up with some trickery but by that logic he should never lose a single fight cause you can always say "but if he made XYZ" or what if he somehow hit a Luffy that can see the future and is faster than lightning with sea stone handcuffs lmao. We've seen how 3 YC+ characters vs an emperor goes, in Luffy, Law and Kid vs Kaido. Kaido took their strongest attacks in their strongest forms too and basically said "lol you need more training brats". That same Kaido took 1 Gear 5 punch that went through his skull and was laid out on the floor for some time. **Edited after the fact** I'll add even more to this comment...think about Kaido vs Scabbards. The Scabbards range anywhere from Tobi Robbo to YC3 to arguably YC2 ish depending on how you want to rate Sulong Inu/Neko who one shotted Jack/Perospero once the moon was visible again. Those same Scabbards got fodderised by Kaido who called them weak and disappointing. In the strawhats, you have Usopp who couldn't even beat a Tobi Robbo, Nami who also couldn't at first and got help from BM essentially....but then was able to thank to Zeus...who does nothing to Luffy. Chopper who didn't fight a Tobi Robbo and didn't seem to do significant damage to Queen. Robin who beat a Tobi Robbo but then couldn't fight anymore and was too exhausted to move. Brook who didn't fight Tobi Robbos but clashed with fighters of a similar nature/strength in WCI and didn't look like he was getting overpowered so we can scale him to a Tobi Robbo despite lack of feats. Franky who beat a Tobi Robbo with a little struggle but not significant. Jinbe who fodderised a Tobi Robbo once he got serious and is likely YC3 level (we can push it to YC2 if ya want). Sanji who beat a YC2 fairly easily once he awakened his body and had a calm mind. But he collapsed right after the fight...so idk if Ifrit Jamble is that taxing on his body or it was more so mental fatigue etc. So at minimum he is YC2...realistically he is more YC1 with YC+ speed if Ifrit Jamble doesn't KO him and he can use it normally like Diable Jamble. Zoro overpowered King once he used ACOC thanks to Enma...but that's unmastered ACOC which essentially puts him on a timer. So for those 2-5 minutes, he is YC+ with if you really wanna push it and dickride Zoro, he also has YC++ AP with his strongest move. None of these is doing any significant damage to Luffy. Luffy when he was YC++ got fodderised by Kaido and thrown off of Onigashima. That same Luffy has since had 2 significant powerboosts. 1) Mastering Acoc and 2) Gear 5. The gap between current Gear 5 Luffy and his crew, is bigger than the gap between Arlong and Enel
2:39 ya, the cloud came from his hair. Pretty sure the whole idea behind his hairstyle in G5 is that his head is in the clouds. It's a saying that means he's imaginative~
The strawhats without luffy are not beating any yonkou. Not a Big mom Not Kaido Probably blackbeard rn since sanji and zoro arent df users and he is the easiest to hit. I depends on if zoro, sanji and jimbei are strong enough to deal with the gura df cause everyone else gets launched by an earthquake. I definitely dont see them beating the most unpredictable yonko Luffy. Commander level fighters get bodied by top tiers even when they outnumber them
I feel like all 3 of them can counter the level of quake we saw him using on Law. Jimbe especially with how his fishmen karate works. I do not believe BB is beating our new monster trio 1v3 and only stands a chance against the crew god because of his darkness.
@@In-The-Zone i agree only based on the feats that we have seen. I have a feeling that blackbeard has a split personality that is top tier in haki due to what he did to shanks on guard. Other than blackbeard they wont beat kaido or bigmom because only zoro can do major damage to their tough skin and sanji is an amazing support and strong enough to cause pain but not nearly enough and jimbei is weaker than them both.
I don’t think any of them Would pass out from supreme Haki honestly but the moment luffy names an attack it’s wraps for most if not the entirety of the crew
@@triple466 I’m not arguing I’m just stating what should be common knowledge 💀 every living being in one piece has haki but it’s just whether or not you know how to use it
I curious what else luffy can "bend", you know ? The grabbed lightning, he use the ground to rebound kaido's attacks and even made him rubber when luffy was in his stomach... like, what else can he do ?
KOL.... What "Luffy fire stuff" are you talking about (you used the context of the end of his fight against Kaido)? His Bajrang Gun was a gigantic Ryou Armament Haki + Conqueror's Haki combination, which gave Luffy the ability to not have to touch Kaido's 'flaming dragon' form.
Zoro could take him to extreme diff rn. If kaido and big mom was scared, and zoro temporarily blocked the strongest attack from 2 yonko. Before KOH he can differently put up a good fight. Even has the potential to 1 shot luffy.
@@aminetaganza5613 Bro is crazy for this take, but your opinion also means nothing considering your a zoro hater. I be seeing you all over the comments hating on zoro.😂
@@aminetaganza5613 he is on the same tier as zoro i never said he wasn’t. I just said that your opinion means nothing considering that your on a bunch comments just hating on zoro. Your the same guy that said “sanji is equal to zoro”😂
Non of them are passing out, it's all about Will power not strength all of the strawhats shown amazing will power and didn't pass out during the multiple conquerors emitted through out Wano
I know what you’re saying - Luffy not as strong as Big Mom, etc…fair enough, but if this helps put it in perspective, a battle worn down base form Luffy tanked w/o defense, w/o haki some of Sanji’s attacks in Whole Cake Island. If Luffy had been at 100% health, he would’ve tanked Sanji’s one serious attack (base form / no defense / no haki) 😳..and even though Sanji’s serious attack knocked Luffy out, it was only for all of what, 30 to 45 seconds lol. I know Sanji has come a long way since the Whole Cake arc, but let this sink in. Gear 5 Luffy is miles beyond Sanji…imho.
Kol always enjoy your content I don't know if Luffy is still weak to water I mean in gear 5 he stood and straight clouds so I feel him might be able to stand or turn the sea it rubber what's your thoughts
As a devilfruit user, he will always be weak to water. Clouds is like small gaseous levels of water vapour, it shouldn't effect. Rubberized water however can definitely work
I don't think the weakling trio falls to a coc burst, usopp and nami are just barely below tobiroppo level (prior to nami's Zeus upgrade), they have enough mental fortitude to stay awake. Chopper is the weakest mentally, but if he's with the crew, he gets a morale boost. That said, they would probably play dead (along with brook because he's a skeleton, yohohoho! Skull joke!), and can set up the environment to allow the win, like they did against oars. Having them and Franky, build a massive rain collector, just so jinbei can drown luffy. Also, brook uses hypnotism, so you don't need Jango for that. So, the strawhats have a chance to win, just depends if luffy goes for the kill immediately or not, with bajaang gun.
Honestly Jinbei is pretty strong against the blakcbeard crew if blackbeard isn't present, 'cuz both the quak quak and the darkness would reposition the water attacks
Added to that depending on how and why Luffy goes all out if Ussopp is sogeking there is a lower chance he gets KO'ed because his will is a bit more firm. He would play an important support role, being able to distract Luffy, create openings operate outside the range of his observation haki and even weaken the mind control or whatever else which would allow SH team more plays with thier tanks and water Jinbe as ace
I think KOL is wrong on a couple of things here. First off, saying Chopper would get knocked right out by conqueror's haki is a bad take, he's easily the physically strongest of the weak trio, and was even able to hold up against Queen for a little bit. Monster point is still powerful in its own right. And I'd say the trio getting knocked out at all is highly debatable, although Nami's most powerful lightning attack with Zeus would be useless against Luffy even if she was conscious. Second, we rarely get to see Zoro have a fair fight. He almost always has a handicap, even his most recent fight against King came after getting severely injured by Big Mom and Kaido for tanking a hit that probably would have taken out even Luffy. Zoro was still capable of cutting Kaido, and his usual way of winning is a single strike that devastates his opponent, not slowly beating them down like Luffy does. Zoro is also capable of all the types of haki Luffy has, and tends to be able to figure out that stuff on his own without instructors like Rayleigh and Hyogoro (Granted he did learn haki from Mihawk, but learning conqueror's haki and potentially armament haki against Daz Bones was all him). A Luffy vs Zoro fight on its own would keep Luffy busy, besides the rest of the crew adding on. Third, I'd also point out that the full power of Jimbei we still haven't seen, he has yet to have a fight where he's gone all out, to the point that some in the community debate over whether Sanji or him are the third strongest. Fourth and probably most importantly, Luffy has a stamina and longevity problem when it comes to his Gears. Gear 5 probably has one of the worst ones, where he gets old and loses all energy, but the lower gears also risk him becoming tiny for over ten minutes. If Luffy's tank runs out before he can take down the whole crew and he hits either of these diminished forms, he's essentially done taking on the whole crew all at once.
I'm not sure if anyone has said this. But if Aokiji can freeze the ocean, wouldn't Luffy be able to turn the ocean to rubber. We saw what he could do in Wano, apply that to the ocean. Thus man would be invincible. He could do that move he did to Kaido where he grabbed the earth and pulled it up and over Kaido. Imagine he did that to the ocean, smh. Luffy has no limits, Oda is the GOAT. At this point, Luffy may be able to walk on water. Just straight up. Go G5, hop off the ship and walk on water. Every devil fruit user is done on open water against him
LOL as a retrospective, I feel as if One admiral can solo an entire Yonko's Crew. Mainly looking at the beast pirates and big mom pirates. These crews sucked balls LOL
I think gear 5 Luffy still dominates most of his crew the entire basis of his crew beating him is on the fact jinbei can throw ocean water at him but same goes for Luffy, If it happens to be stormy that night Luffy can throw lightning bolts at Jinbei and fry his ass
You really think luffy is going to fight stras hats near the ocean nah obviously the answer would be no as in all the fights we got in one piece exept for east blue fights it's rare that a fight is near water
I agree with it all, though let's make a point straight: Luffy beat Kaido, he IS that guy, and RIGHT NOW. Not in the future. Yes he got one shot by kaido a million times but when he awakened it was gg, Kaido was worn out, Luffy was worn out, actually on the edge if death. The Kaido vs G5 Luffy was on equal terms and Kaido acknowledged Luffy's superiority. If they were to rematch right now, Luffy beats fresh Kaido's ass fair and square. Luffy's status now is > Kaido and > Bigmom.
So Kidd and Law beat Big Mom who is supposedly stronger than Kaido. Luffy (supposedly not even top 5) beating his crew? Sounds wild honestly. We'd definitely have to wait in order to gauge Luffy's strength. The deciding factor now is whether or not he can treat Kizaru like he did Rob Lucci. If not, then I don't see Luffy Beating his crew. Nami and Chopper would be useless in the fight anyway. Usopp would probably run before the battle began and come back at a vital moment where he deals a massive blow to get all the credit. Franky isn't doing much, Robin is pretty helpful, Soul King getting knocked out by Conquers sounds ridiculous, but he'd be useful.
@@sanjivinsmoke2719 he rubberized kaido and everyone else got toon forced and people have water in them. Clouds are made of water and luffy stood on the cloud and grabbed lighting. He even grabbed the cloud to slow his momentum and it stretched like rubber.
@@achromatic0229 sea water is different.. it's has been established before in the beganing.. there is a reason sea prism stone take away devil fruit powers... This is not a matter of debate.. just straight facts.
Bajrang gun would wasteland the whole crew easily but it also takes time to set up so, like Kaido with the demolition breath, id assume they'd do something while Luffy was growing his fist
This is why I love king… One minute he says “Mihawk is stronger then luffy” Then LITERALLY a minute later he says “End game zoro MIGHT be as strong as luffy now” So zoro isn’t going to surpass Mihawk? I love you king but damn brother you need to review your power scaling 🤣🤣
