LugerMan Reproduction of the 1907 .45 Test Trials Luger 

Looks like even the patron saint of firearms can be mistaken.

We need the directors cut of this video 😏👍🏼

P3dro 2486, Totally agree on this point.

He's already pointed those things out in a number of videos on his channel (other Luger videos and the HMG StG streams).

Yeah, I have dealt with reverse-engineering projects before and to be honest, it is just too big a subject to have as a tangent within another video. He was right to cut it off there to save camera time for himself. For sure, it is worthy of a special video of its own. The MG3, for example, is a legitimate forgotten weapon because all the technical details for the manufacturing of the MG42 were lost between 1945 and 1965. To resurrect that gun required one of the most demanding reverse-engineering efforts of the 20th century and would make an excellent example of how complicated RE is.

If I just wanted to skip to the shooting I would watch any of the other 50 YTers who just take stuff to the range. I come to FW because it is in-depth information from a guy who really knows what he is talking about. Anyone can shoot them, but Ian can *explain* them.

The topic was pretty thoroughly covered on the InRange videos interviewing HMG. Check out this one and others regarding the StG reproduction: watch?v=iQxwVY7ziKs

Taistelukalkkuna amen

...and Amen

Thy sayeth amen

Heiluheiset pallot? Cool name

Amen? Nay! It is the holy word Ammo that shall be said in response.

You're an imbecile.

That got a laugh.

Lugerman Fighter of the Borchardtman Champion of the Krauts. Master of Karate And Friendship for everyone

No U

U made me laugh, thanks ))

its amazing that the gun is still purrfect and running even in the 8k+ rounds of shooting this is the height of gun reproduction to is extreme bravo lugerman

You're assuming that it ran flawlessly out of the box. Some of those rounds might have gone into breaking it in.

Some rounds of 8000 plus, were during testing and perfecting function. But the point of testing was also reach a point of destruction of some parts, just to see what goes first. Well nothing has , at this point. Still waiting for that to happen.

If you have to ask how much, you can't really afford it...

@ Eugene Golubtsov Thank you so much for: #1 sending the gun to Ian, as I'm sure you're aware Ian does a great job giving us enthusiasts a way to explore and in a way experience things that are less than common. This is not a piece that we can see at the local gun shop, so having a video from a trusted POV like Forgotten Weapons that tears down the gun on camera and nicely covers subtle details can help us make informed decisions about future purchases. #2 for commenting directly in this thread. Raw interaction with the community speaks volumes, especially when you're dealing with odd limited production firearms. Having a response here certainly leaves me with some additional assurance that you'll assist with any issues should one arise with one of your firearms.

Pitch Lock I did not hear anything....... want a 10mm ? Just let me know

.41 Action Express.

Fuck it, now i want a Luger in .50 AE

@@raptorcell6633 now I want a .22 long rifle Luger

You hear that? That sound like a fly rubbing it's wings together in the distance? That's Tim. Furiously masturbating.

Just imagine if the .45 ACP Luger became the standard issue sidearm of the US Army instead of the 1911. Being that the barrel doesn't tilt vertically like in a Browning system, the Luger is highly accurate and maintains zero after every shot. Even if the toggle lock is a more expensive system to manufacture, I'll take a Luger over a 1911 any day.

@@ResidentWeevil2077 The 1911 isn't exactly inaccurate.

Yes !

Now this is a timeline I wanna live in

Is this the same timeline that later on we get the .30 carbine Tompson, the american FAL, G11 and the AN 94 as a general issue rifle?!?! Someone crack open a portal there I'm packing my bags :D

@@josephmontanaro2350 Is this also the timeline where the 1900AD British Military adopt Hugh Gabbet Farifax's Mars Automatic Pistol and they are now widely available? Because if it is then I'm going with you.

Toggle locks for everyone!

KageMinowara Then we get a Rocket plane in the 40’s and a heli in the 40’s, IM COMING WITH YOU

Matt Hayward It would be cool to interview Lugerman. Why did he pick such a difficult and financially uncertain project? (Everyone says “I’d buy one” until it is time to place a real order.) How did he learn about manufacturing? How did he get the blueprints?

con6lex brilliant idea! I’d love to listen to Ian interviewing lugerman about the financial and engineering side of making these 👍

A few years ago Eugene asked a question on the Luger Forums, what pistol would the Luger collectors there like to see recreated? After much discussion the majority of respondents opined that they would prefer to see--and buy--a .45 cal. replica (10mm and .40 cal. also came up as being more modern alternatives). The "blueprints"--actually CNC programming specifications--came from gunsmith Mike Krause of San Mateo CA, who made detail measurements of the legendary original Sid Aberman .45 Luger in order to make his own limited--run edition of the .45 Luger (at almost three times the price of Eugene's). Eugene had to modify the CNC data somewhat in order to make it work.

@@dwightgruber8308 Am I correct saying this Mike Krause is the same as Krausewerke? Ian made a video on one of those .45 Lugers too

@@kylebrady969 Correct.

It doesn't exist!2+yrs waiting only lip service!

Talatharas seconded

Although I found it extremely comedic, I was upset he didn't get back to it later. Oh well. At least I learned this is manufactured where I live. Never would have guessed.

@@LugerMan45 hey it’s the lugerman himself

I mean from what I've seen you can find real lugers for under 2k, makes no sense to buy this one atm if you ask me

​@@neo-filthyfrank1347 It's not a regular Luger so comparing it to one is pointless

@@aniquinstark4347 The comparison is extremely relevant, stop coping.

@@rdrrr this matters for some reason

@@rdrrr So long as it remains more expensive than the real lugers it's trying to make more accessible buying it will be pointless.

Lightning Von-Wiffle Вritches no he did not, number 4 has to meany tasks to accomplish and to meany rounds to be shoot thru it,

Lightning the person who manufactured the gun responded to you. His name is Eugene and it would be rude not to compliment the man after he replied to your comment

Also I met the man at wannenmachers gun show. Simply put he’s a genius

You sir deserve a punch in the face.

Omg

webtoedman, Amen ! If all the time was added up.... 6k, is most likely braking even... Or a little low..... What a amazing job, this man has done !

What prevents CNC machines from accurately machining one of these provided you do have measurments, and write the program?

@Promotions Only I said it is difficult to duplicate products that were designed to be made on manual machinery using C NC, not that Luger man's products are made on manual machines.

​@@webtoedman not to mention bureaucracy, even if its for a simple pistol they'll treat it as you planning on taking over the world with it.

​@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Machine tools make parts by cutting away specific bits of metal from a raw piece of stock or forging or casting until all that's left is the component you want. CNC machine tools in 2022 essentially make many different cuts on a single workpiece one after the other, ideally from a single clamping setup. These cuts can be very complex and automatically move the cutting tool in up to 5 different axes at once. Manual machine tools like were available in 1922 are generally only able to make single, simple cuts at a time in a single axis. Setting up each cut is a skilled and time consuming process. With a single machine you pay a skilled machinist ($$$) to adjust the machine and workpiece for each cut, which is slow, labour-intensive, and expensive. This is how bespoke and prototyping jobs used to be done (and to an extent still are in manual shops). In a production environment a 1922 factory would have hundreds of machines, usually run by non-skilled ($) and semi-skilled ($$) operators. The skilled machinists ($$$) would set up each machine to make one or a few simple cuts, often using custom-built fixtures that presented the work to the tool in exactly the right way for that operation, or with custom cutting tools that cut complex shapes on the simple machines. These fixtures and cutting tools were made by toolmakers ($$$$). Let's say you're making pistol slides. Blank piece of steel goes into the first machine, which cuts a groove in the bottom. Piece goes to the next machine and a step is cut in the side of the groove. Maybe cut number 3 is to flatten the side of the slides so a dozen are ganged up in a fixture and flattened with a single huge flattening cutter. Machine 4 has a radiused cutter and cuts a radius on the top of the slide. And so on. This process of building fixtures and cutters and setting them up in a production line is called "tooling up" and was a slow and very expensive business. A huge advantage to changing to a different machine per cut is that each machine might work differently. Some manual machines make cuts that simply can't be replicated by a CNC machining centre, like a shaper or a broach. A particular weakness of CNC machine tools is making deep, narrow, non-round holes -- like a mag well. These were often done with broaches (complex custom-built cutters pushed fully through a hole in the workpiece, cutting away a tiny amount at a time) back in the day, or even by skilled hand filing. There's also little penalty to refixturing a piece many times on a manual production line so the parts were designed with this in mind. Not so much on a CNC setup, where the ideal is to minimise refixturing as far as possible, since this is where delays, increased labour costs and errors creep in. So basically this is why some designs don't lend themselves to CNC production, and why sometimes the only way to do it is either build a production line (with a huge setup cost) or manufacture in batches (where you'll have inventory tied up for years). Either way the overheads are huge and often there's just not enough demand for reproduction [insert rare historic gat] to make it worthwhile.

+1

Its a lot

They make a 10mm version as well that I really want.

Well I was gonna buy two, but I had daughters instead.

Ryan Wagner exactly

Seconded!

Yup. Even a seperate video to keep the digression to its own thing, keeping discussion of the gun to its own vid for people who just want that

Thirded

Fourthed! Had a case of gunnus interuptus when he cut the history short. Made worse because he was wearing a C&Rsenal shirt, which gave me even more of a history boner.

traderjoes maybe a carbine registered as rifle ?

Personally if i had to take anything into combat itd be a 1911 in .50 AE assuming ammo isnt an issue

Skrymer U I know Ian has touched on this before. You need to know tolerances...which you can’t get by measuring one sample. I imagine materials science comes in: which type of steel to use, tempering, surface treatment, etc. plus you have to make jugs and tooling.

London Jolly not holly hell.... just 6600 dollars and you can have one.... holly hell is worth much more then that ... I am just guessing.

Fallout should've had this

DreamingFlurry does not have to be soon, just send us $250 a month for 2 years and you can have one at the end of 2019.

Spef!?!

Where have you been? You had us all worried young man!

Totally Tubular

Is that the real spef

Superbouncybubble no this is the fake spef

Thomas Mobley - The odds can't be that much worse than if you did play the lottery

The revolvers were just control guns to evaluate how the semiautos did. :)

How can this comment be two weeks old of this video came out like 15 minutes ago?

Esteban Cinardi patreons get to watch first

Time Travel

RedFang hahaha

Lol

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Nasaq Licos No chance of return?

keith moore I don't think they ever made any select fire models, they're all semi-automatic. They were made by the Shansei arsenal and are some of the most well made Chinese C96's out there. There were also some reproductions made in the 70's and 80's also in china that were passed off as originals.

keith moore I know you didn't say they were less well made lol, I was just mentioning that they're well made for the hell of it since Chinese C96's have an awful reputation. Also I've just never heard of a select fire .45 C96, just the 9mm and 7.63x25 full auto variants and of course the semi-auto only Shansei .45acp C96 (Type 17 I believe but I can't remember atm). I'd like to know more if they exist, though. I didn't mean to sound argumentative lol

Yes, the Chinese warlords so loved it that one who possessed armory capability made a fair number of them in .45ACP. The characters on the pistol translated as "Chinese Box Pistol". At least a thousand of these were imported into the US 30 years ago, all with shitty foul bore erosion, so most will found bored out & relined with rifled liners

1958: Our 8th grade gang all had them. 'Dang', they were accurate! From the back seat of the school bus to the back of the bus driver's head! And cheap enough to afford a replacement after The Confiscations.

Admittedly they were prolific but I remember seeing a lot of C-96's as a kid too, though they had an unuseable tiny shoulder stock . I always remember the water from them had this weird taste

roger white That taste was was suspicious Chinese chemicals. Mhm mhm my favorite!

I used to have a suction cup dart gun as a full size Luger...my fav!

Retarded people buy 1911s that cost more. There's a point where you're paying extra just for a name paying an extra $4,500 for something doesn't add $4,500 worth of quality.

@@davidmcguire6043 you get 90 percent of the functionality of a glock out of a hi point

@@paullytle1904 I have read the hi point is ALSO VERY RELIABLE. Just ugly as sin! (Kinda like a glock). My cousin recently passed away, and his .40 hi power NEVER misfires or ftf. I have no clue why he bought it, usually he bought decent guns like Rugers.

And that is the one we used as a model for reproduction.

Jay Dee orders are coming in fast... please your orders now....or wait for 2019 to roll around

Hoosier Jonny oh lottery.... so 7-8 dollars a day for lottery ... 20 month and you can have one ... send your lottery money to us, then you getting a gun for sure

Excellent gun and I wish you and your business a great deal of success and I look forward to one day owning one of those beautiful pieces!

thedudepdx anyone willing to enter competition with one will get 5% off On there order

Dear Mr. Tarantino, 'Edward Fosberryhands & The Ballistol Kid' or 'Webley Gump'? Discuss : )

lets be real here, id use my next semesters tuition to buy one

The Webley-Fosbery is a bit of a kludge. It works, but it's also not great. If you really want an autorevolver I recommend you find a Mateba Unica 6. It's a considerably better design than the Webley-Fosbery. (And they're making them again!) A friend of mine has one in .357 Magnum. He shoots it in competition and it works really well. (The bastards won't let him shoot against the other revolvers though. He has to shoot against the automatics, but they handicap him because it only holds 6 rounds.)

im not really a fan of autorevolvers(or revolvers in general) although the mateba is pretty neat. i like the fosberry mostly for that 2nd cool historical factor. didnt know theyre making matebas again though- thats pretty neat. i wonder if more will get imported this time around?

(Gabbet Fairfax) Mars attacks?

Joshua Lansell-Kenny I will put any sight system on it and a heavy long barrel, if you send me some bear meat when you get one

Hear it? I can _smell_ it!

Papa Cap well if you got the money ... we will make glock mags work for you. No problem there... let's see some cash.... No .... more cash

Lol

I've shot the 9mm Luger. It cycles so fast you don't notice it.

I'll complain 2yr +and waiting!!

yeah because the original is a fvcking million dollar gun

Joeben Pajes Engalan well, like he said in the video, that specific trail gun doesn't exist anymore

Yeah, six thousand dollars, but how much would you pay to see the expression on your friends faces when you show them that gun ? How much would you pay to have those friends worship you like a god ? 😉

People spend way more than that on 1911's.

Eric da' MAJ where is the money.... wallet or not. Cash will be nice

By ordering one 2+yrs ago and haven't seen it yet!

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Thanks!

You can see Carl's gorka in the slomo shots.

The pickle he featured was technically partially reproduction

Nobody makes them because there are plenty of originals still around.

Forgotten Weapons #bringbackthec96

But what about the ones from that Chinese warlord that had them made in .45? I think that would make quite the partner for this .45 Luger repro. I wish I could spare the cash, I've been a fan of the .45 Luger since before I was really into guns in general.

I read there is a company in Ukraine making copies of the carbine now.

Well, we restore a number of c96 broomhandles, barrel liners, new grip frames, welding and all that is needed to restore the gun to like new factory. You want one let me know. Lugerman.com

Charles Cox bullshit

Charles Cox too me this sounds like a grown man saying i wiped my ass everytime after shitting. We aren't dummies here, we know that a guy sweeping himself with a gun in front of a camera for a living checks.