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@jakelm4256
@jakelm4256 4 года назад
I'm here because of how good these looked in The Irishman.
@tommyboit9494
@tommyboit9494 4 года назад
Wtf ha me too!
@davidpotts1778
@davidpotts1778 4 года назад
Lol me too
@mgaesq
@mgaesq 4 года назад
Me too
@thedr.marioofslanginthoser4171
@thedr.marioofslanginthoser4171 4 года назад
Jake LM Same lmfao
@sandyschneider5175
@sandyschneider5175 4 года назад
Me too
@davidpotts1778
@davidpotts1778 4 года назад
Guess were all here because we watched the irishman whilst hungry 😂
@abraxamovic
@abraxamovic 4 года назад
David Potts Damn right I swear to God 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@donteprince2891
@donteprince2891 4 года назад
Honestly im watching it now and at the part where Robert De Niro goes to Lums
@davidpotts1778
@davidpotts1778 4 года назад
@@donteprince2891 I made them. There nice 😉
@donteprince2891
@donteprince2891 4 года назад
@@davidpotts1778 what hot dogs did you use?
@davidpotts1778
@davidpotts1778 4 года назад
@@donteprince2891 they were wikinger hotdogs from tesco. They come in a glass jar. I sauteed them in a dry frying pan and added beer once almost cooked. Not to much beer just covered them and let the beer evaporate then added more. Added to the buns and topped with chilli I made. Dead easy and tasted great!! The first time I made them I followed a recipe from RU-vid and couldn't taste any difference but this way was great . Enjoy
@brianwillis333
@brianwillis333 4 года назад
Here because of the Irishman, damn these things look good they should bring these hot dogs back.
@Sintillator7575
@Sintillator7575 3 года назад
Goodness, I’m truly sorry but this video while well intentioned I’m sure isn’t accurate. I’m sure this is a great hot dog, it looks like it might even be a better hot dog inspired by the original. However, Lum’s hot dogs weren’t any dog’s, they were Hebrew National All Beef 1/4 lb. The dogs were never scored. It may have been something one of the last store owners created. They were never steamed or boiled in onions. In reality the innovation in those days was to utilize a 30 lb countertop fryer filled with water to cook them incredibly fast. The beer came from the draught beer systems in those days being very inefficient and combined with the use of frozen beer schooners a great deal of beer head was developed. The Perlman brothers never wasted anything so they used to dump the excess head into a pan then dump the deflated head/beer into the fryers. When it was busy they’d crank on the thermostat and the combination would boil almost instantly and the all beef dogs boiled in beer were great. The buns were kept in perforated pans in a steam table along with pans of sauerkraut and chili. The chili was actually made from McCormick chili seasoning. The “Steamed in beer” was a misnomer that was a brilliant marketing slogan. Again I’m sorry to disagree but I owe it to my father. My father was hired as an assistant manager and helped open the 2nd Lum’s with the Perlman brothers and worked tirelessly for them and John Y. Brown until the Weinerwald company bought them. Which was over 20 years. He eventually oversaw all the Lum’s in South Florida. I started working for them in 3rd grade as they had me opening the doors for their customers at store #11 for .25¢ an hr. Big money for a little kid. I was raised in the chain learning every position and eventually becoming the GM of the Miami Beach store and the 163rd Street store.
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 3 года назад
I truly appreciate your honest comments. I know I didn't research this prior to recording the video. A couple of quick Google clicks and I just threw this one together.
@SmokyRibsBBQ
@SmokyRibsBBQ 5 лет назад
I remember Lum's well. There was one right here in Biloxi on Hwy 90 on the beach. They closed their doors many years ago, but I do remember the beer steamed dogs. Good eats!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
We only had one visit to Lum's about 10 years ago, mostly out of curiosity (Bellevue, Ne) after a day at the Henry Doorly zoo... And I didn't even get a dawg that day! Wish I'd known then what I know now. Thanks for watching, Rus!
@michaelrobbins3559
@michaelrobbins3559 4 года назад
There was also one just outside Keesler Gate 7 on Pass Road.
@Kearney62
@Kearney62 4 года назад
I grew up on Lum’s in Cincinnati in the mid-60’s to late 70’s. We also loved going to them in Dayton and Hamilton. They were always considered a favorite and my parents took us there often. Probably only Frisch’s and Skyline Chili got more of our family business. Lum’s beer dog flavor stuck in my mind all these decades and I can still “taste” and smell that steamy beer aroma if I close my eyes and think about it!! I’ve been making homemade Lum-dogs forever.....I always use full strength undiluted Budweiser (cheap and the original recipe brand) even though the actual recipe calls to dilute it 3-1 with water. Never saw the wisdom in that! I wish they were still in operation, and I’m frankly surprised no one has copied the basic recipe and retail approach......Beer steamed hot dogs are wonderful!
@siranonymous1433
@siranonymous1433 4 года назад
The Irishman brought me here xD.
@delcallman5525
@delcallman5525 Год назад
Born in Miami Beach and grew up in the 60's and 70's. Nothing like a Lums dog!! Thanks for keeping the legacy alive
@Juanelo1946
@Juanelo1946 5 лет назад
Hi Dan! I have a vague memory of Lum's from trips to Florida. It's sure sad to think a great hot dog like this will be forgotten. I also feel a special sadness over the loss of Howard Johnson's and their tender sweet fried clams. Your resurrection of this special hot dog was impeccable! The spiral cuts, the Zip Line craft beer, the onions, the heated grate, the Saverne Artisanal Kraut.... you went all out and the results were worth the effort! All I can say is GREAT JOB!!!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Thank you, John! A funny thing happened when I was typing in the tags for the video. I got a warning from Tube Buddy that there could be the risk of demonetization if I used "Saverne Artisanal Kraut" as a tag! I've never seen anything like that before. 10+ years on you tube and I thought I'd seen it all. Thanks for watching!
@Juanelo1946
@Juanelo1946 5 лет назад
WOW! That is WIERD!!!! LOL!
@sudzbuddy6
@sudzbuddy6 Год назад
God Bless You!!! I haven’t had a Lums dog in over 35 years They were the BEST!!! I WILL be doing this ASAP!!!
@fetalmalice
@fetalmalice 4 года назад
The guy in Irishman steamed them not boiled them. On a flattop grill to add
@christopherhelms7290
@christopherhelms7290 4 года назад
He started off making Lums hot dogs, and somewhere during the video seems to have drifted into freelance mode.
@brickit26
@brickit26 3 года назад
This had nothing to do with Lums, He must of been watching that fat Rachel Ray or something.
@Ciabattaonions
@Ciabattaonions 3 года назад
The movie shows him taking them out of a pot of water and then steaming them on the griddle, so they were probably boiled first and then steamed, and who's to say that the movie was completely accurate in the first place?
@clstile
@clstile Год назад
I saw Deniro buying Pacino a couple of Lums beer steamed dogs with chili in the film “The Irishman” .. it looked so delicious that I came to RU-vid to look it up .. I’m all the way in the desert of Southern California , but it’s still a sad shame to hear that this institution closed its doors for good back in 2017 .. I might never be able to try their famous beer steamed dogs , but I’m grateful for this video recipe!! Thank you and cheers!
@mesatreze6393
@mesatreze6393 4 года назад
I watched the irish man and had to come in here
@charlierw123
@charlierw123 5 лет назад
Looked so good in the Irishman
@johnclark1987
@johnclark1987 4 года назад
Millers maxi buns are better tbh
@eachoneteachone4989
@eachoneteachone4989 4 года назад
Irishman brought me here too 🤤🤤🤤
@fenrislyulf8861
@fenrislyulf8861 4 года назад
I remember Lums fondly! I always had their beer-steamed hot dogs or the fried clam on a hot dog bun. The Lums I went to was in Florida! Thank you for this recipe, planning on trying it soon.
@glocksNgrippers
@glocksNgrippers 2 месяца назад
Used to go to Lums in Bellevue thanks for sharing!
@thomasbledsoe4531
@thomasbledsoe4531 2 года назад
This is one of the best videos,not cook videos,but videos I've see in a year or so, keep doing what you do,and beautiful Japanese knife too💯
@dennisjump8655
@dennisjump8655 4 года назад
For a treat, every once in a while my dad would take us out to eat at Lum's. I still remember the smell and how good they were. Why do things have to change so much ?
@Amylynnskitchen
@Amylynnskitchen 5 лет назад
Hi Dan! I've never heard of Lum's before... it sounded great. So sorry they closed up. Your hot dogs look delicious! I need to try this recipe. I need to check out that sauerkraut too. Another great video my friend. Hope you and yours are doing well and keeping warm!
@terylpruitt576
@terylpruitt576 2 года назад
I miss Lums. We would always go there when we would go to St. Petersburg on vacation. I wish they were still around.
@tangojoe9694
@tangojoe9694 5 лет назад
Excellent - this is a local history lesson and good food in one. Sorry to hear that Lum's now has no locations, but thanks for cooking up this bit os local lore. Totally dig the MacGuyver Rolls!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
...And I didn't even burn the house down! 😆 (It WAS a concern). Thanks for checkin' it out, Joe... OH, and good news; As I was searching (in vain) for the Caraway, which I was sure we *had* to have, I found an unopened shaker of Rome is Burning! Happy day!!! It was way, way back on the spice rack, buried for maybe 4 years following the big move!
@tangojoe9694
@tangojoe9694 5 лет назад
Wow, finding a classic bottle!
@rootboycooks
@rootboycooks 5 лет назад
Ah, Lums! Brings back happy memories! The Lum's in downtown Hollywood was next door to a movie theater, so we would see a film and then go to Lums for Beer Steamed Hot Dogs! Happy New Year Mr. Smokey Goodness man!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Must have been a great old memory, Sal. Glad I was able to conjure a few. We were RoadGeeking in a bad thunderstorm last Spring when we noticed Lum's was closed in Bellevue, and I thought about making a video. Glad it finally happened. 😎
@MrMegaFredZeppelin
@MrMegaFredZeppelin 5 лет назад
Hey Dan great job scoring them :-) At least those dogs a quiet lol :-) Those look so good,I want one :-) An Extra "BIG" thumbs up :-) Happy New Year :-) ROCK ON!!!!!!!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Have a great 2019, Fred & Joi. Looking forward to another years' worth of great NorCal videos!
@MrMegaFredZeppelin
@MrMegaFredZeppelin 5 лет назад
@@SmokeyGoodness Hey Dan I'm hoping to post a driving video on hwy 50 near Placerville soon from our trip to and from Apple Hill :-) ROCK ON!!!!!!!
@williamdunlop8191
@williamdunlop8191 3 года назад
My Dad owned a Lums in Tustin California in early 70s best hot dogs ever. best shakes seasoned fries and imported beers and best memories ever way ahead of it time
@forevermetal2464
@forevermetal2464 4 года назад
Saw the movie The Irishman and had to have a Lums Hotdog! I Googled Lums NYC only to find out they shut down. Then, like an Angel came out of the sky...this video!! I can't wait to make them and most of all EAT THEM! Thank You so much. Brother, they look amazing! Loads of Love from NYC🤘
@progers5019
@progers5019 5 лет назад
That was a nice tribute Dan. Somebody who is left from that organization would appreciate that. Pass the kraut man and get in there dawg. Nice job.
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Pesky Dawg didn't want to cooperate. Thanks for droppin' by, Phil!
@Pauleyh2
@Pauleyh2 4 года назад
You won’t taste it all it did was cook them better
@kreh1100
@kreh1100 9 месяцев назад
We had a Lums in our town, it was excellent ❤
@coldmilk
@coldmilk 5 лет назад
The Irishman brought me here
@ShakespeareCafe
@ShakespeareCafe 5 лет назад
Beat me to it!
@jameslewis-lg7po
@jameslewis-lg7po 4 года назад
Lol me too...
@ddaurer
@ddaurer 5 лет назад
I loved Lum's Hot dogs. My first one was in Bellview,Nebraska, next to Omaha. Sure miss them.
@TheGoldenConnorific
@TheGoldenConnorific 4 месяца назад
Just made these they are delicious!
@PicklesBBQandCooking
@PicklesBBQandCooking 5 лет назад
Those look delicious Dan! I’ve never been to Lums but this is worth making for sure. Coriander actually sounds better than caraway for it. Great job brother!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
I think so too. A modification that'll stick with us, although I will try it with the Caraway... Or maybe even Fennel seed. Thanks for watching!
@drewbiedoobie1416
@drewbiedoobie1416 6 месяцев назад
On a trip to Maine in the 70s, stopped at a Lum's in Connecticut. Had a cheese dog. Damn that thing was so good. Spent 50 years trying to recreate it. Didn't succeed yet, but I still got buttons on my shirt, so try, try again
@jacobcore6278
@jacobcore6278 3 года назад
This is like a royalty free banger what song did you play
@BBQPITDOG
@BBQPITDOG 5 лет назад
You lucky dog! Love using the kraut too! Happy New Year!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Happy New Year to you and the REAL Lucky Dog Duke! 😀
@bamamubs4723
@bamamubs4723 5 лет назад
Great cook, Dan! Loved the McGyver grill!!!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
What's a hot dog without a lightly toasted bun? Had to try it, glad I didn't start a kitchen fire! 😆 Thanks for watching!
@LassesFoodAndBarbecue
@LassesFoodAndBarbecue 5 лет назад
Yes sir. Ingenious cook in all. Never heard of Lums :( so thanks for the education :)
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
It's funny. We drove past it about a million times and finally stopped by once about 10 years ago. I forgot what I ordered there, but I know it wasn't a dawg... Wish I'd known. Thanks for watching, Lasse!
@jimbigboystoys4077
@jimbigboystoys4077 4 года назад
Ahh...The MEMORIES!! We used to have a “Lums” here in Auburn, N.Y. when I was growing up. It’s a Metro Mattress now. But I’ll always remember Lums. My childhood friends mother used to work there. And yes...Their hotdogs were EXCELLENT!!
@wolfman2009
@wolfman2009 4 года назад
Do you think you can get the Lums Chili recipe as well? If so please make a video of it. After watching the Irishman I've been wanting to try them.
@coniff3
@coniff3 5 лет назад
Love it Dan!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Thanks, Coniff!
@oren5230
@oren5230 5 лет назад
Loved the dawgs at LUMS. Lived in Miami for years. Mustard and kraut makes it.
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
My one (new) regret is that I never tried their dogs. But hopefully the legend will live on!
@biomez
@biomez 4 года назад
That vertigo shot on the beer bottle...hot damn.
@snowpuppy77
@snowpuppy77 5 лет назад
Interesting recipe. May try it. Ya that wind yesterday was pretty viscous. Wind like that is biggest deterrent from grilling outside.
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Yea, I don't like messin' with that kind of wind. It was swirling in every direction behind the house. My "Nope" instincts kicked in fast. Hope you had a great NYE up there, Lincoln kind of exploded last night. An officer involved shooting and other madness all evening.
@charaznable4834
@charaznable4834 5 лет назад
Was lums named after Urusei Yatsura?
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 4 года назад
I've wondered about that for years!
@PURPLEGANGOUTDOOR
@PURPLEGANGOUTDOOR 5 лет назад
Man that looks delicious much LOVE FAM 🍽🍻💜
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching!
@hotdogjohn
@hotdogjohn 4 года назад
Anyone know what brand of hot dog Lums served?
@1984BBQ
@1984BBQ 5 лет назад
Never had a Lums around where I live but those hot dogs sure did look good though ...
@gener2682
@gener2682 4 года назад
I am still waiting to see the "steamed" dawgs. All I see here are boiled dogs which may be good but they are NOT steamed as the title says.
@LatrelleJohnson
@LatrelleJohnson 4 года назад
Those dogs look delicious!! 🤗😋🤗
@sammyG1745
@sammyG1745 Год назад
I thought lum’s cooked the hotdogs on the flat top and then “steamed” them with beer. I don’t believe they boiled them?
@cubblue69
@cubblue69 4 года назад
Searching a few images and not seeing the cuts. But the menu does include a dog with Sherry flavored Sauerkraut
@brettknoss486
@brettknoss486 4 года назад
Looks good. Only thing I'd do differently is the liquid have equal parts beer to ginger ale, 2 cloves garlic, bone broth, soya sauce, and and a few drops Worstesher sauce.
@donsharma6136
@donsharma6136 4 года назад
why did you dilute the beer with water?
@ragingbull2271
@ragingbull2271 3 года назад
The Irishman brought me here too! I'm definitely going to give this recipe a try!
@cubblue69
@cubblue69 4 года назад
We had a Lums back in the 1970's here, were they really cut like that or at all and were they served only with sauerkraut or were they served anyway you wanted ?
@terrysharing
@terrysharing 5 лет назад
Never had a Lums around here but sure wish we did. I'll take two, with fries!
@CookingwithKory
@CookingwithKory 5 лет назад
Dam! Those are some delicious looking Dawgs! I am going to to give this a try!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Lemme know what you think once you do! We dug 'em! I'd be willing to bet that you'd take them to a whole new level, being a professional chef and all. 😆 Thanks for watching, Kory. The Hotseat this week is gonna be awesome.
@jeremybrown3360
@jeremybrown3360 4 года назад
If this is a steamed dog, then what is a boiled dog?
@DAN.eight6
@DAN.eight6 2 года назад
just watched the irishman and they go to lums, these where chili dogs mind but they where cooked on a flat top then sloshed in some beer and covered with a closh to steam.
@wagner3395
@wagner3395 4 года назад
You are a professional cook I give you that
@windermere2330
@windermere2330 4 года назад
You could also sear in a cast-iron skillet with a little bacon grease 😊
@frankjamesbonarrigo7162
@frankjamesbonarrigo7162 4 года назад
Did you get the chili recipe?
@NxDoyle
@NxDoyle 4 года назад
If this is the authentic Lum's recipe, then The Irishman got it wrong. The method here is basically scoring the dogs before adding them to a beer-based stock and boiling them before grilling. In the movie there's no boiling, just beer poured onto the dogs as they're grilling. Neither method is 'steaming', technically.
@treydenapoli6202
@treydenapoli6202 4 года назад
AWWSOME RECIPIE TASTED GREAT
@pauludulutch4353
@pauludulutch4353 5 лет назад
I remember lums in Waukesha
@daddydutchbbq
@daddydutchbbq 5 лет назад
That was really cool Dan, and yes pass me a loaded dog too please ! Great job and it is almost to frigid to use the grill today !
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
I almost did! It only took about 5 minutes to convince myself that it was just too friggin' cold out there. Even my back door was frozen shut!
@yeyapineda188
@yeyapineda188 4 года назад
Just bc I here watching the Irishman on Netflix haha n made me come here watch a lil bit of everything from the movie. Awesome! 👍🏼👍🏼💯💯😊
@mommatsbbqsauce329
@mommatsbbqsauce329 5 лет назад
Awesome! ✌️
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
I appreciate it! Thanks for stoppin' by!
@Pauleyh2
@Pauleyh2 4 года назад
I steamed them on my outdoor griddle
@Pauleyh2
@Pauleyh2 4 года назад
My flat top griddle
@Palmike
@Palmike 4 года назад
I thought they had American cheese too?
@marcelotoimil1032
@marcelotoimil1032 Год назад
Burgers there were fantastic; also the roast beef sandwiches. Much better than the crappy chains of today…
@tokiisradical5760
@tokiisradical5760 4 года назад
some great music
@pacificadorjct3120
@pacificadorjct3120 2 года назад
You are amazing man im from México and i really want to tasted after Watch the Irishman 🤣
@stevelitteral
@stevelitteral 5 лет назад
More kraut please. Man that looks good.
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Thank you, Steve!
@Bob.Loblaw.Bob.Loblaw
@Bob.Loblaw.Bob.Loblaw 5 лет назад
Quietest dogs I've ever heard on a Smoky Goodness vid! Wait- is that KETCHUP ON A HOT DOG???? WTF?
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Sriachup for my son. Kinda' like 'chup, but much better! 😆
@gunplaygaming6830
@gunplaygaming6830 2 года назад
If you steam them in a cooker with quality beer I was surprised how good they came out. I’m not using water ever again. Still hurts me to see that beef being wasted though …..
@dagodone8714
@dagodone8714 4 года назад
Great vid brother!
@aeynub
@aeynub 2 года назад
Lums steamed their hot dogs. I grew up with a Lums in my neighborhood. Their hot dogs were not scored. This recipe might be good, but I don't think it's Lums. But anything goes on RU-vid. Sauerkraut will overpower even a mediocre hot dog.
@김치라면-e5p
@김치라면-e5p 4 года назад
Since i live in Seoul, i cannot go to the place, so im here to get the recipe of the hotdog that i saw from the movie Irishman!
@elHobo
@elHobo 5 лет назад
Good lookin grub Dan
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Perfect for a bitter cold NYE. Thanks for droppin' by, Kris!
@Mozart2Muse
@Mozart2Muse Год назад
No doubt they are delicious, but they're not "steamed" dogs, they are boiled, then grilled - everything but steamed.
@ryanmccain1158
@ryanmccain1158 4 года назад
Trying this tonight. 👍
@mcrd2001
@mcrd2001 5 лет назад
Killer, just killer!
@SmokeyGoodness
@SmokeyGoodness 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching!
@samiam7342
@samiam7342 4 года назад
ok.....good video but a couple things: i think the buns are better steamed, you gotta strain some of those onions from the broth and put them on the dogs and of course - Where's the chili?????
@HappyManStudiosTV
@HappyManStudiosTV 4 года назад
this shit the japanese arcade music when u choosin ur fighting character
@MrSteezy
@MrSteezy 4 года назад
I looks away for second and thought you were dumping all those beers in there lmfao
@robx1934
@robx1934 4 года назад
My kind of hotdog man. Awesome. Less is more!!!
@alfredc.knight2737
@alfredc.knight2737 4 года назад
Facts!!!
@johncrace911
@johncrace911 2 года назад
Lums had a great roast beef sandwich
@brianramirez1106
@brianramirez1106 4 года назад
That’s a funky fucking bass line holy fuck
@brettknoss486
@brettknoss486 4 года назад
Where's my burrito! Where's my burrito! Doh!
@stampdealer
@stampdealer 3 года назад
Everybody has to be K-Paul. Can't you just do it like Lum's, like the video title says? Those are boiled hotdogs in craft beer, NOT Lum's steamed dogs.
@darrenmeade2110
@darrenmeade2110 4 года назад
S000000000000000000....is it me or doesn't the sign say world famous "STEAMED" hot dogs?? unless I'm missing something, these are BOILED hot dogs. NOT the same.
@Mrs.Green23
@Mrs.Green23 4 года назад
Yes yes yes
@Fatheroftearsx
@Fatheroftearsx 4 года назад
The Irishman brought me here beer and hot dogs I am going to cook that shit tonight
@thetruth7453
@thetruth7453 9 месяцев назад
More beer good for you ❤
@davidpotts1778
@davidpotts1778 4 года назад
I made these on the day I watched the irishman. You cant taste the beer at all I'm afraid. Maybe because I used Budweiser
@ericwilliams8420
@ericwilliams8420 4 года назад
Martin Scorsese wants these things back
@theblindDD
@theblindDD 4 года назад
Banging with babish led me here from the Irishmen. He makes his from scratch.
@BlaccBoii
@BlaccBoii 4 года назад
the Irishman sent me
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