Lungbarrow: An Attempted Explanation (Doctor Who) 

she lung on my barrow til i arguably get retconned out of canon

I’m so glad someone finally got to explaining lungbarrow to normal doctor who fans.

Alright. Fuck yeah. Now do a faction paradox + war in heaven video 😈. You’d literally be the first person to do it I think.

Leela being the Doctor's biological mother reminds me of some theories I've heard such as Jackie Tyler being the Doctor's biological mother. There's even the parallel where both times, the Doctor either wants each mother to name the child after him or the mother says they are going to as a joke.

Mate plenty of us care about lungbarrow it’s crazy but it’s also one of the craziest doctor who stories ever and I love it also Mel is great in big finish

I love that shot of the special weapons Dalek nuking that gate like it’s personal

I've pointed out multiple times that The Timeless Children and the whole plotline Chibnall did with that and the Flix fob watch stuff was just a simplified version of the Lungbarrow storyline and people don't seem to get what I mean by that. Thanks for agreeing with me. Also, I've not seen your channel before, but I've subscribed.

I just lost 40 minutes of my life watching someone talk about a show i've never watched, and I enjoyed it! woo! good video!

"Whats up every BODY" genuinely my favorite youtuber intro

Finally someone is talking about this! Lots of DW youtubers seem to gloss over it, or glance past it, but never dive in Thank you for your service

Marc Platt deserves a Lollipop and many pats on the back for what he accomplished in Lungbarrow.

Something I find interesting about the EU is the Faction Paradox novels were canon at one point, but after losing the licence they continued making entries without any direct reference to the show to avoid copyright issues. Chibnall pulled from it for his storylines, the Timeless Child and the Planet Time specifically.

This was absolutely mind boggling and massively did my head in. Amazing video!

this is actually such an AMAZING video! I have heard Lungbarrow mentioned so many times and have always wanted to know what it was! thanks

I have a well-worn copy of the first printing of Lungbarrow, which doesn't have the introduction or the 'previously on' bit. It's my favorite of all the books

I've seen Lungbarrow described as the true finale to Classic Doctor Who, which makes me wonder what a New Who finale would look like. I am interested in checking this book out for myself- it's one section of the show's history I haven't gotten much into.

Love the video. I have all the VNA's , a small collection of the VMA's, and an even smaller collection of the BBC MA's. I have read half of VNA's, and I'm trying to work up to Lungbarrow. Like you said some of the books are amazing, some good, and some total drek. But for me I got into Doctor Who in 1990, and living in a small midwest town in the US, the books were exciting to get, when I could find them, as the VHS releases were about 4 to 6 a year. I got So Vile a Sin, Lungbarrow, and Dying Days during the pandemic for $125 USD each. I was working a lot of overtime for a medical supply company, and said what the hell. I paid around cover price for the rest I didn't have. I feel the books got more consistent after Blood Heat.

been watching your channel for weeks and you've convinced me to go watch the Classic Who series(plus i have access to it now lol) and it's been fun so far. Great content friend, keep it up!

Dog I love your videos so much I’ve been super interested in the VNA books for a while and lungbarrow especially and was SO excited to see this upload

dwfan91 is back with another classic

Lovely! I must say and admit the VNAs are rarely my cup of tea, what I heard from most of them doesn't sound too appealing but oh well, maybe I should read some more of them before I can fully judge, that being said: Glad to see this corner of who being talked about it here! Hopefully that means if this video does well, you dive more into the EU and especially stuff regarding 8 :D!

Delta and the Bannerman will always have a special place in my heart. Death's Head's first appearance in Dr. Who Magazine is a Delta cover with the 7 on a motorcycle and the green baby. I think I embarresed Sylvester McCoy when i asked him to sign it at a con 😂

So much is this feels like a proto timeless child- which is what probably caused the “Vinder is the doctors dad theory’s” I do wonder how this would have gone down and been revived if done in the 80’s. Would it have been like the TC or maybe better received especially since the show would have ended shortly after this would have been shown so that would have been it with no follow up

Beloved, I watched (and commented on) this video before I watched Ghostlight. Now I've seen it and downloaded the PDF for Lungbarrow, I am begging you to go through more of the complicated videos/more of the EU. They are my absolute favourites on this channel, especially anything to do with Classic Who

I remember reading the wilderness year lore when I was a kid even though I had hardly even seen Classic Who lol

I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE

Oh my god you true hero!! Thank you for this.

THANK YOU! I've long meant to get to reading LUNGBARROW...long, long, long meaning to. This makes me want to do it even more... and...not at all. Haha I will... one day. But YOU helped fill much of the crucial gaps. LOVE your stuff!

Great video!

my first video of yours awesome job buddy

Oh this is so interesting! I love your classic who videos and I'm very happy to hear more about the EU

Oh I'm HERE for this! The Wilderness Years is my jam!

Love this. I wish more people did Doctor Who book content.

Great vid you have to do the 8th doctor memory loss trilogy

Can you do Faction Paradox and the War in Heaven? Great video!

Omg so complicated 😢. Thanks for explaining. I’d heard about the looms but not the cousins/ sentient house/ doctor= the other.😊

This video is great, hope you're having a great day

Makes me think if Russell was referring to Peri in "The Reaping" regarding family turned into Cybermen. Did that happen in the story? It's been a while. The only example I can think of involving a companion's family and Cybermen.

0:47 You just won yourself a new subscriber after this statement. Cheers

Would love a video like this on spare parts… never looked into any eu stuff but I’ve heard spare parts is insanely good

I care about this topic!! The 7th Doctor's later years in the EU (as well as the 8th Doctor novels) is fascinating and I wish more people talked about it More EU videos please!

I reckon R2D is gonna expand on a lot of the grandeur "bigger picture" stuff that was teased towards the end of McCoy's era.

I loved the VNA's myself, but they're definitely....a lot. I had totally forgotten how horned up they were too 😂 Wow. I never really thought of them as canon, or even close. They were just kinda something to scratch that 7th Doctor itch after he became my favorite, and I ran into the ending of the original series. Big Finish also helped a lot with that. I discovered both around the same time.

More classic series content please 🙏

Hell yeah! Awesome video! Think you can do an explanation/timeline of events for Timelord Victorious??

I LOVE Spare Parts! Best audiodrama of any kind I have ever heard.

"this feels like torchwood" im sold time to go read some books

Ouch that almost harmed my capacity to think in any shapes or forms, but it was intriguing and fascinating and BONKERS! How you managed to bring some semblance of explaining a narrative from all that is astounding. Did you have to do a 10-year degree at the University of Lungbarrow? This makes the most complex and convoluted of Agatha Christie's Poirot explanations for a murder look like child's play. Whilst I could ask you dozens of questions, I think I will simply stick with one that I feel I did not really get an idea from the video. Did you enjoy the book?

Thanks for doing expended media Content. Can we expect more of that?

Nice video on something that sounds incredibly esoteric even by expanded universe Sci-fi settings, I don't know what it is about the 90s but Doctor Who, Star Wars and Warhammer 40K expanded universe stuff all had really *weird* periods around that time. One thing I wanted to point out was the similarities between this story and the Gormenghast series, I don't know if you've read them? I'm only about halfway through the first book, but the parallels are already blindingly obvious to me. Gormenghast is a series of..... (I guess I'll say fantasy since I don't know what else to call them) books that are focused around a house/castle/mansion called Gormenghast , that exists in some vaguely Victorian setting with elements of medieval society. The house is massive but poorly maintained, and owned by the Groan family who have a whole army of servants of various kinds and status ranks. The house seemingly exists outside of any society or time, with only the feudal village nearby being referenced as existing alongside the house (although the book seems intentionally vague as to whether that means nothing exists outside of the house or the people in the house are just so obsessed with it they can't see beyond it). It's a very hard series to summarise for the exact same reason that Lungbarrow is, its extremely dense and fixated on the minutia of interpersonal relationships (the first chapter is literally just a guy walking into a room, having a short conversation with another man then and leaving) but it manages to really engage you in the workings of the house, the hierarchy and the attempts by one member to overturn said hierarchy. The whole thing is an extended metaphor about family and class hierarchy, how interpersonal relationships are affected by status, how obsession and paranoia can result from spending too long in the same place, and how people seek to reclaim their own agency within a hierarchy through small acts of rebellion that can spill over into much more serious attempts at political change. Just from this video I've identified the following similarities: 1. The title is the one word name of the house 2. Many members of the same family live in the house who are all related but distantly to each other 3. A murder is committed in the house 4. Reproduction/pregnancy is an important theme 5. Madness is an important theme 6. The house is a character within the story (its not literally alive in Gormenghast but the way its described it may as well be) 7. The house is destroyed at the end of the story (this happens at the end of the third book that I haven't read yet, but its heavily telegraphed even from the beginning of the first book) And that's just from reading half the first novel :) The Doctor in Lungbarrow story sounds like a combination of Titus Groan, the heir to Gormenghast and Steerpike, a young man who seeks at first to rise through the hierarchy at Gormenghast and once that is thwarted to destroy the hierarchy altogether. Steerpike plays the role of main villain in the first book, although whether he is actually a villain is up for debate. Anyway that's enough rambling, but I'd really recommend the Gormenghast series if you fancy reading something genuinely thought provoking that deals with the themes I've described. It's dense, not an easy read, but has a lot to say about the human condition (its also the only book I've ever read were the foreword just directly spoils the ending of the novel, although that doesn't matter much as the book is very much about the experience not the plot).

Will you ever explain faction paradox? I really appreciate this vid since it gave me lungbarrow in a way I can actually understand what is going on

I don't think the fandom is unaware of Lungbarrow. Second hand copies of the first edition sell for hundreds of pounds.

id love for you to cover the eight doctor adventures series

Also can you do the Patience storyline I have read most of the info I know from the WIKI but I have never read the actual stories or know where and how to read it

imma need that main range video rn mr dwfan91

If we ever have a finale to doctor who and adaptation of lungbarrow would be really good. A really weird strange story would really suit dr who as a crazy ending.

Can you do a video about my favorite underrated big finish story arc, the elder gods arc,

The show never really had an actual fixed canon, they made most of it up as they went along. Isn't the whole point of the show being called "Doctor Who" is because nobody knows who he really is or (especially now) where he actually comes from.

Damn. I love over complicated obscure vaguely non cannon extended universe doctor who media

I recently paid £165 for a copy of Lungbarrow. Crazy, really, but it shows how collectable it is some of us Wilderness Era Who fans. Great vid 😁

Ghost Light is the Silent Hill of Doctor Who

I actually really like the lungbarrow stuff for years and if I ever become showrunner lord knows I will be hinting at its canonisation. I get why some don’t like it but for the most part I really love it not the Leela mum part but I do actually like the half human plotline(Don’t attack me 😭😭)

But when do we get the history of doctor who’s name (mainly how tf they made a season arch based on a mystery answered 30 years earlier)

3:24 I recognise that background music but can't place from where

I love the Agatha Christie feel to Lungbarrow

good vid 10/10

Keep going until my lung burrows 👹

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS FINALLY MATE FINALLY SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT THE EU

02:22 I'm the one with the bowler hat

Well you know what I can talk about Doctor Who forever too of all the old episodes cuz I thought they were cool

JNT didn't sack Colin Baker willingly, he was instructed to do so by Michael Grade.

YEE JEE TSO

LETSS GOOOOO

I CARE!!

Love the eu content

20:19 wasn’t Ace 16?

I added the plot on the wiki 👍

Make a video about the doctor's brother

need a eda book video

The old series was great the new series is so-so

The New and Missing Adventure series of books are mostly great and sadly forgotten. While the Doctor in the TV movie being half-human was dumb, and not all of the books were good; it's all better than the garbage we've been seeing in the modern televised show...

::mumbles, looks at floor:: i dunno man delta and the bannermen rules and you’re just like wrong or somethin’… ::shuffles off::

Lungbarrow is my head Cannon the timeless child is omega or Rassillon the Doctor isn't immortal as it would defeat the logic of the story

Hoping more NuWho fans (not familiar with classic Who) watch this.

But I really don't get the new series at all

Hi. One of the 3. Whats up?

have you been watching gravity falls recently?

knowing the full story, i still have no clue how people think the timeless child arc is worse than LEELA BEING THE DOCTORS MOTHER

At least Marc Platt is much better writer than the Talented Chris Chibnall. I will take that twisted complex story over the Timeless Child anytime of the day.

Is the moive even canon anymore because in that the master ran out of regulations wne was trapee in the twreie ane th3 doctor wws half human wnd all that isn't a thing in the new series somehow the master ended up wt the end of the universe

I found it very difficult and unpleasant to read.

FIRST

Now about the shortage of housing

At 26.15, i had to finally tap out. Sorry, couldn't take anymore.

Yeah, sounds like this sucks as much as The Timeless Children, probably more so actually.

I think Lungbarrow is more camon than anything Chibnall did to fuck everything up, mainly because it is much better written. I don't care what Chibnall/Jodie stans think either, they aren't fans of proper Doctor Who.

3:08 “Before we get into the video….” You’ve been rambling for 3 minutes already. I don’t think I’ll bother.

i am the third person who likes this video