Lyney is STRONG but hard to play! | FAQ (Mono Pyro, Furina, Artifact Issues) 

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Lyney has slowly become one of my fav characters to use. He's just so satisfying to use for me. Prob my go to for domains currently

2:00 game ain’t played on a spreadsheet. A lot of people forget that. Waiting to see how this goes for Arlecchino and all those no burst no dodge no shield teams.

Jamie bro, you did NOT have to cook the casuals that hard.

Lyney is what yoimiya should have been, it doesn't make sense for a fireworks seller to be single target

Great content as usual, thanks for covering Lyney well, J!

Lyney is my favourite character that came out last year. I think he is now easiest way to get into speedrunning. I prefer using Furina team cuz vapes are so satisfying xD

i dont think tenacity is that easy to play with zhongli simply because of how annoying and clunky his pillar itself can be. i would much rather pick up a shard while dashing, which is something you already do to dodge/cancel animations, than worry about zhongli's pillar placement, especially against bosses. in my experience, petra is a lot more flexible and forgiving. the uptime is also not that big of an issue, especially with someone as flexible as lyney, since you can just swap to zhongli to pick up a shard you havent picked up yet, or use his burst to create a new one, which is something you cant do with tenacity. once your pillar is broken or you fail to place it, tenacity effectively becomes a dead set for the rest of the rotation. i can see why a hardcore player might miss these points.

Lyney became my favorite character of all time. Despite being designed for mono pyro teams, he got a lot of interesting teams during fontaine He will stay as least owned character category but once you understand his playstyle, he just destroys everything with style

As someone who has gotten lyney as soon as his rerun came, my argument against the artifact issues is the way his stacks work either way. You can only get up to 2 stacks without a healer so you will need a healer either way to get up to 5 stacks and it also includes the health going up and down which adds that crit rate bonus, from my experience of playing him. He is so much fun to play and he is by far my favorite dps I have. As someone who doesn't have Bennett quite yet, my team consists of lyney, xiangling, thoma, and Barbara since Barbara is my only healer at the moment.

This Video was very interesting and informative. I like it, Sub Earned. 💯

casuals are more restrictive because they think they need to min max. you can't really convince them you can get away with +0 artifacts and lv 1 weapons.

I dont even wanna pull lynney but i still watched it because of banger content

Casual players are difficult, you have no idea.

Nice guide

“To play Lyney, you need to be prepared to reset” *laughs in Eula main*

Lyney, em raiden, deyha, chevruse makes a great overload team for me, not sure why nobody uses deyha with lyney great defense option imo

Any thoughts on Chiori with Lyney if you’re already taking Zhongli? I find that she makes bringing Zhongli more worth it for overall damage and you get really strong frontload. Xiangling is probably better overall but Chiori is even comfier since you don’t have to battery her.

8:44 Can you tell us about the Lyney and Navia team at #4? What is going on with that team?

Great guide! I did have one question about Burning Lyney teams. Are they viable / worth it, esp w the new artifact coming out?

You should have mentioned how in the Chevreuse teams Lyney is on prototype crescent (?) and hitting headshots as well as doing 4CA, Q and E, i believe

I love Lyney’s animations. I know it’s not optimal but I have fun running Lyney Bennett Furina and Jean in the Overworld.

that point on 2:00, its one of the few reasons why international are less used even though it is one of the best teams in the game.

‏‪17:01‬‏ and What about who care about that do you recommend lyney?

The thing with casuals makes sense to me... Wanting strict guidelines for artifacts gives a hard line to aim for, so it's less dependent on your own personal judgement. Likewise, wanting a strict rotation to follow is easier than understanding enemy attack patterns and making intuitive decisions on how to adjust your playstyle. Skill lets you do more with less, so people with less skill need to make up the difference ┐⁠(⁠´⁠ー⁠｀⁠)⁠┌

Hey, I'm aware my question is dumb, but I'm considering to get Liney and, to be clear, I don't like Bennett. My Bennett is lv 20 and I'd like to keep it that way. That said, what could be the best Bennett-less Liney teams? Would Chevreuse be good then? Like Liney, Chevreuse, Kuki and Dehya. Since there is little to no setup, Dehya's uptime would allow several CA for Liney, I'd guess. Also Kuki could allow more flexibility to when trigger an Overload and keep the pyro aura on the enemies. Also, I understand that Liney as the only Pyro would make him lose up to 40% of PyroDMG, but would a team of, like, Liney, Kazuha, Zhongli and Nahida to keep the Pyro aura from Burning, be usable in Abyss by any chance? Or should I just not pull for Liney? xD I kinda just want to use the characters I like and be able to clear content, I don't care about the BEST teams.

Would you recommend (2pc Pyro + 2pc ATK) over (2pc ATK + 2pc ATK) ? I got some lucky pieces on the crimson witch artifacts and also have Klee. I'm excited to pull for Lyney's C1! Already have him and his signature weapon. He is extremely fun to play!!!

This question is less about Lyney and more about his weapon. I’m want to pull Arlecchino signature weapon and am on my 50/50. I have c2 Tighnari but haven’t built him cos I don’t have a viable weapon. So how good is Lyneys weapon on Tighnari and is it a good enough consolation prize to justify pulling on the weapon banner?

I'm by no means an expert or anything, but I'm managing 100k damage on Wander's With Talent lv 5. Do you think this would go up? to Decent damage?

Who’s better him of Wrio C1; in Bennett, Xiangling, and Furina?

I gave him a try, and didn't feel like he was for me in those events you can pick trial characters. I think my regrets from these events are getting Neuvelette (strong, but not too fond of play style..), missing al haitham/writhsley - seem more my play style. Have Ganyu, but feel melt Ganyu's too high risk too reward. Destroys stuff when it aligns, but feels punishing geting interrupted or 1 shot in some abyss. Figure Lynley's the same

Maybe one day they'll give us an option to charge attack with bows without zooming in to 40fov, then I'd give lyney a shot

AR actually uses 4p MH Lyney in some cases even without furina I guess it just depends on the situation and rotation

10:58 yeah except it usually misses against mobile enemies as they walk out of its range and it gets destroyed in boss fights

i play on mobile + cannot aim but all the characters i like are bows so i have to force myself to get used to their playstyle and it hurts my soul. at least ganyu prepped me up for lyney because otherwise he would've stayed benched in my acc.

I can’t play Lyne without shielder. Tbh I accidentally got Lyne and at the time I did not have a bow for him and was close to pity on weapon banner, a 10 pulls gave me his signature bow. Few days later I had full hunter set. Found he was not criting. Increased his crit rate, then saw your video on YT, tried to go mix set but unfortunately the stats can’t beat my hunter set. Even if I went to 67 or more crit rate my hunter set is better than mix set (ATK based set), unless I used 2 em 2 ATK or 2 ATK 2 hunter set. Still I’m not sure what set to go for. And as I can’t go without shielder then who should I go for Xiangling or kazuha??

i lov lyney, but i think i havent enought to made him a good dps

13:30 they are playing a charged attack character. If there is one person in this world who doesnt mind charged attacking, its a lynney player

Is amos bow good on lyney cuz I will not be pulling on the weapon banner

Is 2pc MH + 2pc atk just as good as 2pc atk + 2pc atk?

16:25 in tournaments. Its basically neuvillette on one side and lynney on the other. Thats the best teams you could theoretically run in the recent abysses with single target on one side Xiao is up there. Navia isnt as strong in C0 or low cost tournaments

5:20 Not speedrunning doesn't mean casual, you can play teams at somewhat low invest or play bad teams and reset in a chambers for 2 hours I think 2p2p is fine but when you don't kill enemies instantly, marréchaussée can pull ahead by a lot, especially if you get hit while charging your charged shot or if you start at low hp and Bennett heals you like 2 ticks before your first charged shot

For me furina vape team is more comfortable. Furina is a direct counter to pyro shield.

Who’s better him or Childe in: Bennett, Xiangling, and Kazuha?

My personal favourite team is replacing Xiangling with C6 Chevreuse in mono-pyro. Keep Kazuha. I don't care that Chevreuse is normally designed to be a healer or to use overload, she does MAD damage with her skill and burst, and doesn't need nearly as much energy. Xiangling is always my point of stress in content and removing her made Lyney feel much better. No need to stand in melee range, no need to funnel, no need to extend your rotation to 20s for her burst if you have to do a second one, none of that.

5:20 Oh that made it to the vid ?🤣

7:35 wait what? In lynney furina. Its not lynney whi shoulf vape, its furina

LYNEY: strong but hard to play NEUV: STRONG, EASY to play. And before anyone says he's boring to play, at least you can clear abyss without resetting

How mechanically viable is it to just use his burst/skill and just swap him out sub dps style? I actually like Lyney as a character but I'm absolutely disgusted with the Ganyu style bow charged atk gameplay.

Since his release he’s been my strongest pyro character, tbh his mono pyro team w zhongli Bennett kazuha is insane even if u dk what you’re doing it’s fast. U barely even have to charge atk if u don’t wanna lol

Lyney isn't hard to play tbh, you just need to dodge well. Compare to Arlecchino, Lyney is super easy to play. If you wanna no brain it, just Zhongli it...

Ganyu is way easier

If people are stupid and can't play Lenny it's not Lenny's fault

I dont understand why you say: This team (furina vape) is good, but you have to use a specific rotation And then say: This team (overload) sheets as the highest, but it's bad because you have to use a specific rotation. These are pretty conflicting ideas, why wouldnt people who want the highest output have a problem following a specific rotation to get that dps?

Idk if i want father or son 😩

14:20 vaping HIS attacks? Why would you do that. His kit allows him to practically vape with a pyro aura and it vapes every attack cuz its not actually vape. Instead by having your furina vape. Your lynney doesnt take a damage hit and your furina damage shoots way up

... Sorry, but there are some oversights (and even some straight BS) in this video: *[**3:23**] MH isn't that good / Go 2pc+2pc / open your rotation with Q:* You _can_ start your rotation with his Burst _but 3 charged attacks are still needed,_ even at C1, _to cap the 5 _*_Prop Surplus stacks_*_ for his E,_ So Marechausse is _indeed_ the best set overall. *[**12:03**] His rotations* _aren't_ *flexible:* Do you want to do good AoE damage with his E? Then you need to do Charged Attacks first. With his C2 you WILL want to stay ~6s on-field, anyway - which is enough for either 3NA+Q+E or Q+3NA+E. He only loses his Marechausse crit stacks if you do something st00pid like doing 2 charged attacks, swapping out for more than 5s, then going back into Lyney for Q+E - WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T DO ANYWAY, AS HE NEEDS PROP SURPLUS STACKS AND MARECHAUSSE AND EVEN CRISPY FOCUS IF YOU HAVE HIS C2. *[**6:09**]* Lyney doesn't need Furina to max MH: he can do that in 1~2 Charged Attacks with a "fast" healer (e.g. Chevreuse with her 1s ticks)... but he STILL wants to do 2+ CAs due to Prop. Surplus. Stacks. Also: *Vape* (Reverse): DON'T, as Lyney _loses his 4th Asc. Passive without a Pyro aura_ (60%~100% DMG); *Vape* (Forward): OK, but _only Kazuha and/or Xiangling can apply more pyro_ than Furina does Hydro; [6:31] *Shielder* problems: ... C4 TANKFEY exists, so there is no such thing as choosing between "having a a shielder" and "running triple Pyro". Zhongli sucks, as he is slow and Lyney doesn't need THAT strong of a shield (again, as he stays 6~8s on-field at max per rotation and part of this period has i-frames from his Q and E). Finally, a grouper isn't needed AS LYNEY IS SINGLE TARGET AND USES A BOW WHICH HE CAN SHOOT AT THE GROUND MOST OF THE TIME ANYWAY (Yae + Chevreuse is almost too much AoE, and Yanfei fits the last slot absurdly well. Leave Bennett + Xiangling to other carries, as they use that core better FFS. _again: Lyney only needs a shield for his ~3 Charged attacks, as Q and E give enough i-frames and mobility._ Also, he already gets almost too much ATK from Chevreuse and his R1, so why the fuck are you pairing him with Bennett and playing Circle Impact?!?!?! [12:29] *Overload* "problems": ... YAE MIKO exists, so there are no problems. Fischl is for NA / Aggravate. (Yae is better than Fischl for Overload procs, as the totems can go for 3 different targets. Last slot can be Yanfei or even Xinyan - no need for Bennett.);

I have no idea how anyone can look at bow characters as "Hard to play". You have range, a lot of it...the hardest part is just learning how to aim...

It’s not hard. It’s just a boring playstyle.

Lyney got everything i hate on a character. A Little boy wearing stripper's short shorts. A Pyro unit who is highly dependent on kazu beny. A bow- charge shot user. . He's got all 3 pairs of the worst attributes. I don't care even If he does 10M dmg per shot, he will always be garbage tier.

Who's better at c0r1, c0 supports with f2p weapons. Lyney or hu tao? With perfect play.

Bro I love my Lyney The hard part is finding the good artifacts 🥲 Edit: it's not about the set. I genuinely don't have any good artifacts or resin at all