M1A SOCOM 

Hahaha!!

@@wisemencompany Are you shure you got the mount from Botach?I went to the site and couldnt locate it.

@@wirelessone2986 positive

@@wisemencompany Found them

@@wisemencompany Does the rifle go bang? Yes? Then, it’s a good rifle. Does it have a magazine? Yes? Then, it’s better than a traditional bolt action rifle. No one is saying that it’s an “end all...be all” firearm. No gun is a “one solution for every situation” platform. If you were in the military you would know that.

Same

No doubt! Full agree, I love that platform…I don’t get the “Not That Great” at all from his video header… Before I accept that rifle is a 3 moa at best, I would want to be sure the shooter is not the 3 moa issue! Maybe try a magnified optic and get it out of room clearing mission mode, then check back with a video.

What would be your first choice optic with a budget of less than $2k ?

@@randyhiggins4086 I thought I was the only one who had issue with the video header. #OIFVETERAN #OEFVETERAN

OEF DM and the the EBR did me well. I mean it's still served longer than the M16/M4 family and tells you something. Does it have it's downfalls? Yes. Does every other rifle have it's own downfalls as well? Yes.

We stick to 7.62 NATO because we have a massive manufacturing and supply mechanism built around it, and already built so many guns based off of it. It's objectively inferior to a handful of 6-6.5mm rounds.

@@conorfoster2337 270win is flatter and has more energy and less wind deflection than 6.5creedmoore yet everyone jumps in with hype. There are dozens of calibers that are better at long range than the 6.5 rounds so for long range precision it would make since to go with something better but for like an m1a, 308 is good at defeating barriers and within the ranges designed for those rifles, there is no difference. You are trying to compare the wrong things here

@@justink654 I have a 270 and 6.5 creed, can confirm, 270 is my go to.

@@justink654 270 is a long action, its asinine to compare it to compare it to a short action caliber

@@The_PotionSeller once again. Comparing the wrong things here. We are talking about perfomance in relation to job. If you are a long range shooter then a long action is better but for a light portable battle rifle 308 beats 6.5creedmoore due to it being better at defeating barriers

Kill

No it didn't

The difference is, your military issue M14 has the proper forged receiver, and the Springfield doesn’t. You really have to go LRB for a good M14 pattern rifle.

@@dubvuchyea502 Interesting take...however, my actual first hand experience begs to differ.

@@dmitrykarkov4747 Fulton Armory has a very nice selection. High quality

Dont know what it is about this rifle but it is just damn sexy

I agree. My whole childhood I pretended my Mini-14 was a M1A. I fell in love with it the minute I saw it as a kid and would stare at pics of it for hours. Finally got one around 1998. It's still the one rifle that I would give up all my others for.

Hell yes love it

Damn right!

Just got my first M1A yesterday. Waiting on a Banish 30 gold can for it! Hope to have her within 6 months but it doesn’t look good from what I hear these days.

Lol

@@johnpierce4778 EXACTLY

either is 5.56 nato

Both are still capable at ranges most of their shooters aren't.

Amen to that!!! Delta should use a nice 45/70 ammo!!! Old school stopper

LOL, well said!

.40 still works. And as long as USPSA power factor is a thing, that cartridge will have a specific niche.

There is 5k ish .40 cal rounds in my basement to feed 4 pistols and 2 ARs chambered in it. So it's not leaving my arsenal anytime soon.

@@alistair8915 I thought I was the only one

What do u mean going away 308

I dunno, there's a lot of new platforms for it lately. And the army's new program is effectively reviving battle rifles with new tech, just 308 ain't the round... but a civilian version will likely be in 308. (Like the sig mcx spear)

@Nicholas Rodriguez tell what to them... I'm not anti 308. I specifically said the army is reviving the battle rifle concept. They're currently doing advanced testing on 3 competing designs for rifles that are select fire, short, less than 10 lbs, and which fire 3 different competing versions of hybrid/lightweight cartridges that all shoot a 6.8mm bullet over 3000 fps using high pressure technology via fast powders in short barrels and pressures up to 80,000. But they're just high-tech battle rifles using the same short action dimensions, same magazines and same chamber size that was originally developed for the 308 in various cold war battle rifles. But these new rifles are more comfortable in full auto, are feature rich and are designed to defeat lvl 4 armor. I was rooting for the textron design... and I'm still a fan, but I'm more fond of the sig design every day. A civilian version would be 308 compatible.

@@8166PC1 from the ground up this project has tried to avoid the pitfalls of past programs, and they're already invested a great deal, and procured a large number of weapons. Final testing is already involving large numbers of weapons with troops. And IMHO, the GE gun AIN'T gonna win. It's a very flawed bullpup design in many ways and both the sig and textron guns have decisive advantages over it. Not to mention both ammo types for the sig snd textron guns seem better in some way. And between sig and textron, textron is a weird side quantum leap in gun design... it's very disconnected from the private market, and while it has key advantages and might even show real weight and cost savings eventually, initially it's a far riskier venture. But unlike prior efforts to try 6.8 spc or 6.5 creedmoor or 6.5 Grendel (or now 6mm arc) the new 6.8 program is designed to use larger framr rifle format SBRs, or shorter carbines (like a 12" scar h) with extremely high pressures to achieve penetration on lvl 4 armor from near-peer combatants. This is a must the army MUST have a solution to, and a 338 lapua or 300 winmag dmr isn't going to be enough in a peer to peer firefight. You need something of a tie breaker on the infantryman level. That's the entire point of the program. Unlike the 90s or early 2000s programs which were scratching an itch that slightly better ammo fixed (the inadequacy of 5 56 as a stopper, or range problems in Afghanistan). The only REASON the army might choose to abandon this project is if the downlow side project they're enjoying with the 6mm arc proves effective in a carbine to defeat lvl 4 armor with the right bullets. And I doubt this going to be achieved in a testably adequate way. The arc isn't designed to be in an infantryman rifle and would run into gun changes that are at least as significant as why they abandoned the 6.8 spc or Grendel... mags... bolts... reliability at high round counts, etc. Yes it's a nice happy medium wonder bullet, but it wouldn't appear to push pills fast enough to beat lvl 4 even at close range without changing the AR platform significantly or beating it up. Remember they abandoned running massively hot-rodded 5.56 because it beat guns to hell, and the results on target were promising but not quite the brass ring. That's why this time they want a whole new platform. Something from the ground up where the ammo and gun are made for each other and it can hit these performance objectives without pushing the envelope, all while trying to keep weight and recoil manageable. AND NOTE, Sig has said that EVEN if they're passed over, regardless of that they're going to sell the 277 fury round in a demilled manner, and the mcx-spear in a civilian legal manner. They're NOT going to throw their investment away, and this is tech that has a direct impact on the large format semi auto private sector. It's far better for hunting than a smaller platform AR, but it reduces recoil and allows for hotrodded cartridges, so diversity of game, range, etc, are all available in theory. It's a win win no matter what.

@@ravissary79 They can't defeat level 4 armor without Tungsten, because the rounds do not move fast enough to overcome it that way. The rounds they're testing are basically the equivalent of a 270 short magnum, which the rifles themselves won't end up being adopted on a large scale for several reasons

No... .40 S&W was an answer to a question no one asked. .308 is the answer to nearly all of life's questions. So, no. Not going anywhere.

@@anthonyarcher7268 - Exactly. Let them choose all the new calibers, and leave some more widespread calibers to us poors.

It’s not bashing it, it’s just stating fact. It’s a junk gun, doesn’t mean you can’t like a junk gun - the U.S. army did for quite a while.

@@randylahey2242 Two people behind solid bricks behind bricks at 200 yards apart and one has 5.56 and one has the .308, who is winning that encounter? Rhetorical question. 500-yard iron sight no scope guns will never be junk, 99 percent of the population can't even make that shot but the weapon can. Especially this premium spectacle you are witnessing. M-14 is still in service to this day. literally 2024 for a reason.

@@brooktech7869 lol the mosin nagant has been in service for twice as long and to this day, does that make it not a junk gun? You are clearly the kind of person who thinks anything military = good when the reality is anything military = made the cheapest way possible by the lowest bidder who bribed enough. And for your silly scenario the reality is the person with a drone firing hellfire missiles from above will win. It's not 1945, combat has changed and battle rifles are obsolete. Get with the times boomer.

Also, 308 won't burn out your barrel like 6.5 will. Considerably longer barrel life is a good trade-off for having to aim just a bit higher at distance. But that's just me.

I see so many used 6.5 creed more rifles for sale...guessing it wasn't that cool new thing they thought it was!!!

most new rifles this year are 308

They test m24s out to 20,000 rounds and they still met their accuracy requirements. Which was .350 m.o.a.

You are correct .. There is NO reason, the M14/M1A platform is a fine weapons system that will be around for a very long time ... Carry on !

Bought my M1A Bush (green box) in 88 and its put venison on my table every year since. Fine rifle, fine catrige, whats not to like?

I think I saw that story on the history channel. But I recall he was on the chopper that went down so the rifle lost its zero from the crash. What they said was he had to see where the rounds were hitting in relation to the crosshairs and that's how he held it down until air strikes came in.

Take a look at Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock. I believe that is who you are looking for.

@@legaleagle123 I know who Carlos hathcock was. He was great too. I was on about Ed as in Edward Eaton. Thanks for comment back though.

@@_JEBUS yeah that’s the story. It was a little vague in my mind but yeah that’s him. The guy he saved is trying to get Ed recognition for his actions. Even Medal of Honor talk. Not sure if he was though. Can’t find much on Ed Eaton. If anyone finds anything new on him send me a link please.

Also go easy on me. I’m British so my knowledge on firearms is very slim and not first hand.

"Florida Man" on porch.... legend

Wesley Chapel sounding off!

"Liked" bc of wesley chapel 🤙

dc Florida sounding of

Greetings from Wimauma Fl!!!

Exactly. Guns are like cars, if you can't drive, it doesnt matter if you have a Porshe. I also shoot sub moa with m118 ammo in my M1A.

It's absolutely not a platform with known and documented accuracy issues. Accuracy issues going back to shortly after it was adopted by an ordinance department that made sure it would succeed by any means. They also aren't known for needing to be rebedded on a regular basis to maintain accuracy.

Maybe me, but with good ammo I'm around 2 moa.

@@JohnDoe-nf7up 99% of M1A shooters won’t shoot enough to have this issue.

Boomer ha ha ha

So does The Citadel.

So does Norwich lol.

@@rapboy117 I am glad to be in good company.

VMI is a great girl’s finishing school.

No. It sucks

10 and counting! Very blessed indeed!

If I could only find one.

@@jimbosammy4255 I know my reply is 2 months late and you might have bought one already but Palmetto State Armory has them on sale right now.

Bahaha

Imagine Brandon Herrera's reaction.😂

Truly I have no desire to own an AK. The only reason I want an AR is because they are trying to ban them. In my eyes an M1A is the cats meow. Great vid.

🤣🤣

Yeah, kind of funny that 99% of M1A owners think Springfield Armory INC had something to do with the design but it was really the US Armory in Springfield Mass. and the people that worked there that modified the Garand into what is now called the M14. There is no connection with Springfield Armory INC , just a clever guy who knew using the name of the US Armory would help him fool people into buying his rifles made from military surplus parts.

Schuster adjustable gas plug will take off a lot of the recoil, lessen wear on the parts that hit each other, and mitigate a lot of that fireball. Also Smith Enterprises makes an excellent muzzle brake that reduces the recoil further still, making it recoil, with those two enhancements, only about twice as harsh as a .223...mine is Mr. Thundermaker 🤣

Named my Socom 16, Mjolnir (Thor's Hammer)

Hahaha yeah so weird on the timing.

You talking about lisp daddy?

Hahah.

@@kyledanger45 how dare you.

@@kyledanger45 lisp is sexy

If it’s chambered for 308 you can’t shoot 762. If it’s chambered in 762 nato u can shoot 308

@kevin pierson u are correct.

That and it was more expensive than the Mattel M-16

Yet until we withdrew it was still being used in Afghanistan (and before that Iraq) by U.S. military. After my Barret M82A1 the M-14 was my weapon of choice all throughout Central and South America.

@Jones Nope, standard original MP5a1 with nothing on it. The Navy models with polymer lowers weigh less by a bit, but the originals were 9.25lbs. The SAS 80's fabulous version kitted out with claw mount, optic, and Maglite was over 11lbs. That's the reason they shot so well, no recoil at that weight, and the smooth roller lock system. Same with the original UZI's, pick one up, thay are heavy, around 9lbs also. Kids today have no idea how lucky they are with the current crop of 5-6lb SMG's, and plastic mags. An old load out of an original MP5SD, claw mount, optic, light, and eight steel mags wasn't all that much different than a basic M4 (with all the cool kid crap) load out weight. In fact the M4 might be lighter.

Knockdown power? I think the test video by the channel L1A1 disproved that

I just hockey taped up the comb of mine to raise it up so that i could get a good cheek weld on mine. 😆

What you're saying makes a lot of sense. I did notice how high the scopes were from the barrel line. And wondered about that. Like so many rifles, some simple factory engineering would/could solve many of these problems. A simple stock option for dedicated scope users for example...But everything is about dollar bills, and this business seems to be struggling in general with tighter margins and increasing public disapproval. If I bought one I'd be tempted to just keep the iron sights.

Thanks

Thanks homie.

Ahmen. I have a standard with a big ass scope on it. This guy can cry me a river.

It's not a gun for manlets!

@@TheGosslings it's a gun for the 1940s

*laughs in molot vepr*

@@TheGosslings nah I can handle one just fine standing around 5'8

Intested in selling scout model??

@@thendofspace I can't. I bought it used and it was hard to find so i can only imagine it being hard to replace.

How much u bought it for

@@thendofspace i paid $1400.00 for it. It came with one magazine. I found it in a pawn shop 4 years ago

Great grab. Really is. Only rifle u need tbh. Click on my channel. Come to relax for second

How do you like your tanker? Has it met/exceeded your expectations?

@@gemayeljones248 totally. It’s a solid rifle that eats any ammo and maintains accuracy.

How hard is a barrel swap

Most M1A's and almost all M14's aren't capable of sub moa accuracy. You'll really need custom work to achieve that reliably. The DM/sniper versions used by the military aren't rack grade M14'S.

Lol standard M1As aren't 1MOA rifles. That's just not how these cold war era battle rifles were made. - M1A owner.

The only military m14 capable of sub 1moa accuracy was the xm21/m21 and the m25 variants designed for sniping. We are talking rifles that have been glass bedded, gas tubes unitized, have match grade barrels installed and shoot match grade ammo. My m1a standard shot 3.5 moa (5 shot) with m80 ball ammo. That meets the military’s standard for a basic m24z but you can accurize these things. Switching to 168gr smk gold medal match ammo brought it to a 2.5 group. I unitized the gas block and installed a nation match guide rod and it shoots 1.25-1.3 moa now. 9 shot groups with the smk loads is still sub 1.5 moa. Thats 12in at 800 yards. Plenty enough to constantly hit torso size targets.

For sure; he can't have shot it that much for the switch to still be working. I have a Burris 2-7x on that rail (12in+ relief) and it's been surviving...no electronics though.

@@sorenottomybuddy I'm going to do the same. I was concerned with the conductive heat factor, how is it working out?

@@hooeydog no complaints so far in regards to it surviving the heat/concussions, however it is a bitch to get zeroed; I actually had to cant the scope inside the rings to achieve zero and still have room to adjust. Use Burris signature rings with the plastic inserts. Zero the scope with the rings inserts in, remove the screws for the rings and apply blue locktight, retighten to appropriate inch lbs, and re zero.

I am 2000+ rounds past having mounted and zeroed the scope, and it is holding zero.

@@sorenottomybuddy I have warne rings, same set up (with the Burris) on my GSR. Great scope with no problems.

@Jones But he is very used to that one calibre from the ARMY and in the after ARMY world

I touch on that in the video

Facts. People talk so much trash about the M1A. At the end of the day anyone lucky enough to own one is absolutely blessed. People just find anything to argue, complain, nit pick, and debate about. What works for one man may not work for the next man. At the end of the day pick your poison and be happy.

Would you recommend this or a PTR 91 for a first 308?

Get the Scout or Loaded and you'll never go back to your other rifles ...

Stan Nelson the scout squad has been calling my name

Love my scout. Is it the most accurate or best at everything. No, but it eats everything I put through it, doesn’t vary a lot from ammo to ammo, and I’ve never had a dry strike, failure to feed or fire. It just works

Why exactly? If you shoot steel better with 6.5 that's a better indicator of 6.5 getting you the W in that fight.

6.5 Creedmoor literally outperforms .308 at every distance

@@A_Qwynide cool, it still won't take over .308.

@@A_Qwynide and there will eventually be a new round that will be better than 6.5 needmore and y'all will drop it to go jump on that wagon too.

@@BloodEagle. okay? how is that a bad thing? "yOu WaNt ThE bEsT PeRfOrMiNg CaLiBeR" like yes, yes I do. and Ryan considering how the Army is dropping it, and soon after the Marines will too, .308 will lose popularity as people experience better, more modern calibers, and go the way of the 30-06. Whether its 6.5 or 6.8 or 7mm that fills that void it won't matter. Technology improves, gear evolves, cry about it.

@@A_Qwynide That's not correct. 308 and 6.5 are very comparable when your talking about 600 meters or less, 6.5 only starts out shine 308 when your talking about the very end of the line at long range distances, around 800 to 1000 meters and more.

I've got a 13.5" barrel I need to get pinned and welded. The Smith Vortex puts it at exactly 16". With a crush washer(pretty flattened out) it is at 16 1/16". Thinking of sending it to ADCO, all the gunsmiths in my area take a month and charge too much.

@@marzcapone9939 I sent mine to dwilson I think it was $65 and 3weeks

@@MexicanNinja82 Thanks

Yeah how is he "diversifying" by getting the same thing?

AKs are for people on welfare...

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood *laughs in $3,000*

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood nice take boomer

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood I wish AKs were still that cheap

Don't forget, LRB and Fulton Armory make M14 variants too. My LRB M25 is fantastic, made the way I wanted it, has a forged receiver and bolt.

LRB, I presume.