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M398 - Upgraded M390? Steel Testing! 

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@minimag03
@minimag03 Год назад
Spyderco should send you their entire catalog each year. Your testing and opinions have sold more than a couple to me!
@armedoptics3523
@armedoptics3523 Год назад
Spyderco needs tot make an 18/10 pot steel MULE...
@Low-effort-individual
@Low-effort-individual Год назад
Spydercos maxamet will finally have a worthy challenger
@jayr526
@jayr526 Год назад
Too late. Husk breast them to it.
@jwdory
@jwdory 2 месяца назад
On the bright side, you could use the Husk knife for scale material or perhaps toilet paper if you run out.😮
@FoxMacLeod2501
@FoxMacLeod2501 Год назад
I am just wanted to state how much (a lot much) I appreciate your lack of sponsored host ad reads... I'm always impressed by the genuine, honest work you put into keeping it fair and consistent - and I routinely crack a smile upon hearing the newest video's choice of musical score, too. I am excited to see your upcoming addition to the collective knowledge (as well as to your considerable personal collection of data), by essentially establishing some oxidation testing benchmarks with modern carbon steels. But no pressure, Pete - we both know how expectations can sap the enjoyability from once-beloved activities. If it's next year - or never - I'm good with it. I enjoy what's here, and I try not to fall into the habit of focusing instead on what's just around the corner. I'm just happy with whatever you decide to share, whenever you're inspired to create. We love you, buddy - and congrats, by the way, on being noticed so favorably by Sal Glesser himself! ... Maybe put a word in with him about making more 15V knives - so we aren't stuck with the scalpers if we aren't lucky enough to score one during the minutes of availability before they're all snapped up?
@edsaunders1897
@edsaunders1897 Год назад
Forget the sisal rope. How many huusk knives can it cut through and still glide through a held sheet of paper?
@LiquidMemes
@LiquidMemes Год назад
Lmao
@PrinceAsmodeus
@PrinceAsmodeus Год назад
Japanese steel tho
@davidheath2427
@davidheath2427 Год назад
10 for 300dollers ,all 10
@gunner4373
@gunner4373 Год назад
I got through 7
@amitzdullnicker2k
@amitzdullnicker2k Год назад
Good one! 😂
@homeslicesharpening
@homeslicesharpening Год назад
Haha! All good Pete! I made those kinda goofy scales myself (so as not to kill your hand)! It turned out my first batch of mules I sent you had a bad wire edge (lack of sharpening knowledge at that time) and no hand-destruction happened. I should have put those scales on the MagnaCut Mule of recent, probably would have hurt your hand less than that janky paracord wrap. I just had no idea it was gonna cut 1500 times. Feel free to get through all your Mule testing first bro, I can wait a couple extra weeks for the knives to come back. Great video.
@jimholliman2822
@jimholliman2822 9 месяцев назад
It was very nice to see you give preference to your family over knife hobby. Thanks for testing M398.
@twatmunro
@twatmunro Год назад
Very pleased that Spyderco have started working with you. Although their knives tend not to be my style aesthetically, they're by far my favourite company in the knife making game -- because of the attention they pay to the community.
@Youtube-Censorship-Police
@Youtube-Censorship-Police Год назад
i used to like them but their constant price hikes turned me off, it's getting really crazy!🤑
@smashlee6181
@smashlee6181 Год назад
@@RU-vid-Censorship-Police they are still a steal compared to companies like benchmade though
@jameshealy4594
@jameshealy4594 Год назад
@@RU-vid-Censorship-Police *SURVEY SAYS BENCHMADE!* Hmmmm not sure what happened there.... (I don't entirely disagree but it's partly the way of the world at the moment and they're far from the worst offender).
@Youtube-Censorship-Police
@Youtube-Censorship-Police Год назад
@@jameshealy4594 yeah, bm is still the king of overpricing but spyderco is getting really close. especially their seki made knives; some of the grivory / vg-10 models are in the ~200 range, meanwhile i can get a us-made hogue rsk1 in g10 and 20cv for $170. benchmade and spyderco are the apple and samsung of the knife world, you simply pay 30% more for the name. the only reasons why i prefer spydie over bm are 1: spyderco does a lot of crazy & cool steels and 2: their knives come without bad grinds and funky fit'n'finish (at least those from the us and taichung plants). speaking of overpriced: the s35vn models from cold steel are ridiculous too since the company was bought by gsm.
@twatmunro
@twatmunro Год назад
@@RU-vid-Censorship-Police -- Yes, it's really the range of steels, their close ties to the community that I like them for. I agree that they're massively overpriced now -- especially outside the USA. If you think they're expensive, try buying one on the UK or Australia. I keep wanting to pick up a Delica in K390, but here in the UK they sell for about $200 -- for a plastic handled knife? GTFO!
@franka9760
@franka9760 Год назад
Glad to see you back with an edge retention test! You da man, Pete!
@petric334
@petric334 Год назад
Still loving the innovative use of the green screen as a..green..colored screen. It's a meta commentary on the unsuccessful attempted conquest of technology over our osb roots. I appreciate your videos over the years, hope all is well down there.
@quickslashgib5800
@quickslashgib5800 6 месяцев назад
Spymyto just ordered. Half the price of the Slysz Bowie. Micarta on one side, titanium on the other. Peak stainless.
@DuhYaThink
@DuhYaThink Год назад
More bricky !! Thanks for doing some testing this steel,have been waiting for someone to do it.
@nandayane
@nandayane Год назад
It’s good to see a test of this one!
@samuelrichardsonmcgravyber4559
I was very interested to see how M398 would perform. Thanks for the video Pete. Good stuff 👍
@geraldkoth654
@geraldkoth654 Год назад
Steeltoes did some testing and got around 550 with a blunt edge. Then he did this. Today's testing with a 10-11 dps super vitrified triple b stone at 1k achieved 720 cuts in my testing today. Surprised not many gave this steel a fair shake when it dropped 4 months ago. The Mules are 64 HRC
@tacticalcenter8658
@tacticalcenter8658 Год назад
Are you sure the mules are 64? Seems too high, especially for the result's here. Who is steeltoes, which platform is he on? I dont see any channel's on RU-vid with that name.
@TheBootyWrangler
@TheBootyWrangler Год назад
@@tacticalcenter8658 oh you’re looking for his RU-vid handle, IronCock
@Jeffrose_
@Jeffrose_ Год назад
I love your simple approach to knife testing. I cut rope and boxes most often. You give me the best idea of what to expect from my knives. 😊
@profesorEDC
@profesorEDC Год назад
Never miss one of your videos they are just great Pete, thanks for the effort. And hey congrats on that mule sent from Sal himself, that is just priceless and awesome, it speaks a lot about the quality of person Sal is, next you'll be designing your own knife, which I'd definitely buy.😁👌👍
@cameron3525
@cameron3525 Год назад
Eight years of carpal tunnel, got a love it
@davidshaffer8569
@davidshaffer8569 Год назад
I always find your videos helpful and entertaining. Thanks
@49giants3
@49giants3 Год назад
Good ol times when I see a sisal rope test on your channel Pete ! Thanks for another great video
@aceman1126
@aceman1126 Год назад
Nice! Been digging mine since I got it. Still very sharp after random uses over 4 months or so. Idk how strong it is and I would be scared to hard use it but as far as reasonable uses it's great and like I said VERY sharp still. Impressed, especially for the decent price here stateside. Only complaint is the spyderco leather sheath... kinda sucks and fits oddly. I'm gonna either make my own or commission a kydex one soon Edit: forgot to ❤❤❤❤ for chocobo music
@blades8284
@blades8284 Год назад
I love Spyderco knives. Thanks!
@W49Boowie
@W49Boowie Год назад
Love the green background, it works really goes really with you white tshirt Pete, 👌🏻👍🏻! Great test and a very relaxing video review to watch. I recently purchased a Magnacut bladed knife. On the factory edge it developed one micro chip after whittling Oak for approximately 25 minutes, no rolls, just the tiniest chip, virtually invisible. M390 on the other hand chipped out a little worse, a larger chip, no rolls, and this was after approximately whittling the same Oak chair leg! lol! Well I felt that I might not removing the right angles from the chair leg might be in contravention of the Geneva convention even though I agree with your " Tactical " advice about getting a few good hits in the old angles! Great vid, well done, and keep that unevenly over developed right arm of yours in optimum condition with regular maintenance mate! Best wishes to you and all of your family and loved ones Pete, 👌🏻👍🏻!
@vibeslide
@vibeslide Год назад
I guess by this time Pete has developed muscles from all the cutting no other human has.
@bokusimondesu
@bokusimondesu Год назад
Still steel testing. Love it! 😊
@CHUCKIT
@CHUCKIT Год назад
I'm so glad I got my m398 mule. It is my food prep knife.
@Hectorszenshopedc
@Hectorszenshopedc Год назад
GOLD . PURE GOLD. GOLDEN MAN...❤😂 M 398 HAS CROSS MY SCOPE. I was just testing m390 in the Fara MKM.. Sleeper
@JohnC29
@JohnC29 Год назад
I hope you aren't demonotized for using a red marker on the blade.
@BrandonMeyer1641
@BrandonMeyer1641 Год назад
I live down the road from spyderco and still haven’t taken the time to have a visit
@tomdowser
@tomdowser Год назад
Pete...thanks mate. Tsprof tip zero to the clamp holding arm then place on top of rod holding stone with stone at halfway point on edge. Center clamp attachment would be very helpful. 15 bucks on gritomatic. Dont buy the tsprof one for a 100 bucks or whatever they reaming us for currently. Cheers mate.
@MrLlama999
@MrLlama999 Год назад
5:52 Nice
@dmarcellus
@dmarcellus 4 месяца назад
I love Mule Team knives. I have several.
@standardcitizen5948
@standardcitizen5948 Год назад
I'm hoping you test one of those 15v Sydercos one day.
@onesuchasi
@onesuchasi Год назад
I considered purchasing the M398 mule from the Spyderco factory but seeing the toughness of M398 is lower than M390 I decided hold off on buying it. However, I am looking forward to the “AEB-L” mule from Spyderco.
@onesuchasi
@onesuchasi Год назад
Excellent review of the M398 steel by the way - I trust your opinions and recommendations more than anyone else on RU-vid. 🫡
@TinyIslandMaine
@TinyIslandMaine Год назад
I agree on the low toughness. I ended up w/ the spy27 and love it. May grab an aeb-l.
@nandayane
@nandayane Год назад
I got the M398 mule, so far no complaints. There are so many amazing ones coming in, t15, AEB-L, 15V. Crimeny
@kush662
@kush662 Год назад
Can you please do a steel testing with damasteel?! And of course would love to see corrosion testing with damasteel too! Great vids
@acid6urns
@acid6urns 10 месяцев назад
damasteel would perform exactly the same as cpm154 or rwl34. because it is those steels just with pmc27 (basically power metal 12c27) so maybe just tougher rwl34.
@stevenarmstrong6622
@stevenarmstrong6622 2 месяца назад
I didnt expected the ff8 battle music :D
@magiccarpet3.5
@magiccarpet3.5 Год назад
Thanks for another great video, I think m398 is another great steel. However living on a boat means its vanax or magnacut for me. Im Still offering sanctuary for one of your poor long suffering magnacut mules pete. Cheers
@michaelm5203
@michaelm5203 Год назад
showing the edge reflection over the "how to care for your husk" lol
@49giants3
@49giants3 Год назад
What a great father!! We luv ya Pete !!
@ryewaldman2214
@ryewaldman2214 Год назад
steel testing time is the best time! Also, friend, zip your fly!
@aceman1126
@aceman1126 Год назад
This video was the precursor to the announcement of his only fans page lmao
@edsaunders1897
@edsaunders1897 Год назад
Dicks out for the boys!
@benjofpv
@benjofpv Год назад
AEB-L coming out in 2 weeks, rest up that wrist!
@ninemimesleft
@ninemimesleft Год назад
An aeb-l mule? I'd love to see the whole enuff series done in aeb-l. Isn't gonna win any edge retention prizes but it's tough and sharpens like a dream.
@benjofpv
@benjofpv Год назад
@@ninemimesleft Yea it comes out the 18th in mule form
@larrydunn4626
@larrydunn4626 Год назад
shall we consider that an analog to 14c28n?
@mikemckenzy
@mikemckenzy Год назад
Two questions: what do u do with all the rope cuttings? Have you ever cut yourself during rope cutting tests? Repetitive motion injury aside, you always look very focused, therefore very safe. Thanks for the excellent infotainment!
@michaelmyyears4743
@michaelmyyears4743 Год назад
M390 was the super steel for 2015 there is a new one where they added titanium
@Elmax17.5dps
@Elmax17.5dps 2 месяца назад
Well done friend
@wtcamer
@wtcamer Год назад
Love the FF battle music xD. Wish they would do another retro FF. Oh and Chocobo music xD. 2 good. Also seeing how tough that rope is b4 you go to super speed. That looks exhausting...
@stevenlachance8576
@stevenlachance8576 Год назад
Be nice to be able to fiddle a little w the steel recipe and hardness. The m398 w a percent niobium-for fine grain and a little nitrogen for same -might improve toughness. We need a ready bake oven for steel dated reference
@_BLANK_BLANK
@_BLANK_BLANK Год назад
So. The hardness of the carbides isn't going to be what would cause toughness issues at the edge. The volume of the carbides (the ammount a given steel has), and the size of the carbides (like d2, vs cpm d2), are going to be the real factors that play into the toughness. Which is why the non stainless (or semistainless, as i like to call them) tool steels are the overall best performers with a toughness/wear resistance balance. And its the reason magnacut is such a big deal, it was able to get an only mc type carbide microstructure, while also being a stainless steel. Therefore having a lower carbide volume, and raising the toughness. But still having good wear resistance because the carbides are harder.
@daniel.rosina
@daniel.rosina Год назад
Great job, Pete! And thank you for that!
@nandayane
@nandayane Год назад
Did Pete just say Sal hooked him up? As in Spyderco’s Sal?
@blbmonster64pfc
@blbmonster64pfc Год назад
miss the "To The Max" videos. Would love to see a 15dps run!
@Jspg119
@Jspg119 Год назад
Kind of surprised you've never done m2 steel
@DuhYaThink
@DuhYaThink Год назад
The Rex76 mule has tested 69.3 hrc. 😮 which is crazy
@Jaqenhgar222
@Jaqenhgar222 Год назад
Dude, have you ever seen a mule, they aren't ugly, they can be really cute.
@MF_UNDERTOW
@MF_UNDERTOW Год назад
Next we need of video of breeding chocobos
@domeromer
@domeromer Год назад
Thanks for the video Pete.
@TheBeater2382
@TheBeater2382 Год назад
Pretty fucking cool Spyderco sending you knives👍🏻👍🏻
@Dblnickle
@Dblnickle Год назад
Great video like your reviews and blade steel testing
@JohnDoe-bw3tz
@JohnDoe-bw3tz Год назад
Zipper, Pete.... zipper!
@D00MTR33
@D00MTR33 Год назад
I've been impressed with m398. Got a custom in it at 64hrc and ground to 0.007 and it's performed better than any stainless steel I've tried yet in holding an edge without needing a touch up. It even beat out Elmax at 64-65 by Cultrotech though some of that might be to blade shape. I still haven't used s125v yet (sold the only knife I had in it before much use but it was the hardest knife ever to sharpen) or s90v (my favorite high carbide stainless) with a custom heat treatment to see where it ranks. Going of tests it's about the same as s125v at the same hardness but slightly different feeling. Will be interested to see how it does with Gabe. M398 and magnacut are both pretty new to me but I've been enjoying both and they're really moving up my favorite steels lists.
@amounifnd
@amounifnd Год назад
Bunnings or wherever you buy your rope from must love you lol.
@ibanez7412
@ibanez7412 Год назад
Thanks Pete!
@lord.needham
@lord.needham Год назад
Thanks Pete.
@couteaux_courtois
@couteaux_courtois Год назад
Good morning. do you know the brand casstrom? their sleipner combined with a true scandi grind are great for the outdoors.
@PirminZemp2731
@PirminZemp2731 Год назад
Interesting M398 Greetings from Switzerland Pirmin 🇨🇭
@EastCoastMan603
@EastCoastMan603 Год назад
Australia man wins AGAIN…jeez. Anyway you could do an “it’s dangerous to go alone. Take this!” With a Japan inspired huusk knife ?
@PrinceAsmodeus
@PrinceAsmodeus Год назад
They keep adding numbers to the steel and the price tag. And we keep buying them. We all know most super steel knives are used merely to cut open the packaging of your new super steel knife. It's madness.
@Jerome.Du.Quartier
@Jerome.Du.Quartier 9 месяцев назад
When they say it is nog tough, does this matter in a folder or is is tough enough for day to day use?
@ITatic-nf4wr
@ITatic-nf4wr Месяц назад
Hi, can you compare m398 with k390 in matter of toughness and edge retention pls?
@ninemimesleft
@ninemimesleft Год назад
I really wish they'd redesign the mule and get rid of the hump on the back. The ergonomics would be so much better (IMHO)
@ncsEsper
@ncsEsper Год назад
Thanks Pete. Spyderco lost my interest several years ago. Their innovation is about as exciting as a trip to the gas station. Your vids remain excellent.
@acid6urns
@acid6urns 10 месяцев назад
i beg to differ. they still release new models and always release new variations of their popular models, and are one of the only makers who have a line of knives entirely dedicated to being rust proof for usage in salt water.
@gullwhisperer7042
@gullwhisperer7042 Год назад
@CedricAda When are you (if ever) going to test some AR-RPM9? Curious how it compares to standard 9cr.
@doransponsel4813
@doransponsel4813 4 месяца назад
It's exactly the same. Larrin put out a good video recently at knife steel nerds on ar rpm 9 or asf7 as he calls it lol
@groundless1238
@groundless1238 Год назад
You look super good! You need to post your excercise routine, very curious
@CedricAda
@CedricAda Год назад
might roll it into my next edc overview type vid
@anthonycampos7417
@anthonycampos7417 Год назад
Hey Pete, what ever happened to the other half of your testing cutting board? I know how and when it broke but I was thinking maybe you can get the other half to someone so they can continue on your style of knife edge testing on the same brand of rope for similar-ish results. Just an idea
@myeyesarewaiting
@myeyesarewaiting Год назад
Very telling that magnacut with less chromium is more rust resistant, and does a similar amount of cuts with less carbon and vanadium.
@mattheww9656
@mattheww9656 Год назад
“Whacked off almost immediately”. I hear ya
@tacticalcenter8658
@tacticalcenter8658 Год назад
Wait until you try Spyderco Golden USA 61-62rc m390/20cv or Reate 61rc secondary hardening m390. They should be in the 800-1000 range give or take. Everyone is doing m398 a bit soft, not sure what the mules are at. In anycase, Reate uses liquid nitrogen and 3 tempers in the 500c range. This basically takes the chromium and instead of using it all for stainlessness, converts them into larger and harder carbides. This allows them to be in the 60-61 range and still get high performance at a lower rc. Where as Spyderco is most likely using a different austenitizing temp and most likely a shorter soak time, plate quench, then Ln2 and low heat temper(s). Aim for a higher rc than the other brands, as they are aiming for 62 average. So Spyderco will range from 60-62. 60 being better than other brands 60rc but not really that good for m390. 61-62 are really where the golden protocol shines in testing. The other factories Spyderco uses, Taiwan, Japan, Italy etc are not using the same protocol as Golden USA factory. So performance is lower in comparison, even if they are at the same rc. For example Japanese m390 is often around 62-63rc and its performance is lower than that of the golden m390. Perhaps this is due to grain growth from longer soak times? Hard to say because Spyderco doesnt usually disclose their protocols.
@D00MTR33
@D00MTR33 Год назад
Yeah. With proper heat treat it should perform close to s125v at the same hardness. Seen test of Cultrotech m398 at 65hrc and custom heat treatment by Denis Florov and it performed incredible. Then again all their steels do way better than production and you pay for the results. But their m390 does 2 to 4 times better than anyone else. I've been really impressed with their Elmax.
@tacticalcenter8658
@tacticalcenter8658 Год назад
​​​@@D00MTR33 Cultrotech do an amazing job, Denis does the custom heat treatments for them in Rus and does an amazing job. And I remembered seeing the cut tests your referencing! Their n690 does as good as most of the mass production m390 on the market (most m390 on the market sucks btw). But yeah a custom heat treat will do way better than mass production. But Spyderco and reate show that it can be done good if companies care. Its sad most companies want to charge more but not heat treat them correctly. Peters best m390 is a 60rc mule from Taiwan and a 61rc bestech m390. Both perform pretty low for what m390 is capable of. Funny how the bestech at their best can't even out perform Spyderco at 60rc. And they charge like 300-400 for most of their m390 and 20cv. People are getting ripped off.
@D00MTR33
@D00MTR33 Год назад
@@tacticalcenter8658 yeah, a quality heat treatment makes more difference than the steel choice. In the test I'm talking about (done by ruskan kiyasov, a Russian knife chanel) the best m390/20cv results were zt456 (because of small blade length) and CKF with Protect Malibu doing pretty well as well. But they all got beat by Cultrotech s45vn, n690 and even Damasteel. The best stainless steels edge retention wise I've experienced so far are m398 at 64hrc from Assassin's Knives custom (he buys his steel from professional Russian heat treaters), Elmax from Cultrotech and magnacut on a DCC Pryguy at 64-65hrc. But that's kinda of a given for being custom. I haven't tried Reate m390 but I've always liked my para 2s in m390 and in Elmax with a Krein regrind to 0.005. They perform great and being so thin they cut like lasers and are easy to touch up or resharpen. Spyderco has been stepping up lately and doing even better heat treat protocols by working with Triple B on magnacut and 15v. I hope he helps them improve a few other steels.
@DullPoints
@DullPoints Год назад
Babe, wake up! New knife steel just dropped!!
@_brianm
@_brianm Год назад
FF battle music so good for this
@Fuckoffgoogle25
@Fuckoffgoogle25 Год назад
why did magnacut get twice as many cuts as cruwear pm2?
@Greg_M308
@Greg_M308 Год назад
Good info. Thanks!😊
@mcm4point2o
@mcm4point2o Год назад
i wonder how much it takes to own exclusive bladesteel/sprint run rights for a certain Spyderco steel. If I were a smaller knife store owner trying to grow, this would be a no-brainer investment for sho. all of your sprint runs literally sell out within a half hour, and your brand becomes a collector's watch-list, Spyder-affiliated name in the market. hmm
@mikemckenzy
@mikemckenzy Год назад
“Fluff off and jagoff“ 😂
@c62west
@c62west Год назад
Great video, thanks.
@bernie3075
@bernie3075 Год назад
"The only people that are going are either huge collectors or giant nerds" and scalpers
@javiersoria9065
@javiersoria9065 Год назад
hi, which would be your choice, Magnacut, M390 or M398? Can you put them in order #1 the best and #3 the one you prefer the least? Thank you
@longshanks5531
@longshanks5531 11 месяцев назад
M398 reminds me of S90v
@einundsiebenziger5488
@einundsiebenziger5488 Год назад
Given how much higher the content of all the "nice" additives is in M398 than in Magnacut (Cr, Mo, V, W), M398 is probably a lot more expensive than Magnacut.
@Rhubarb2
@Rhubarb2 Год назад
Bloody great!
@davidheath2427
@davidheath2427 Год назад
Pete is trying to get a new demographic. Mule and zipper . Naughty man
@edsaunders1897
@edsaunders1897 Год назад
Just teasing the audience about his upcoming only fans announcement
@TheBootyWrangler
@TheBootyWrangler Год назад
Sounds like a minecraft character is digging in the background
@snhw
@snhw Год назад
Witch sharpening tool is this
@barrybueler3356
@barrybueler3356 Год назад
The local home improvement store must see u coming for that rope when u pull in the parking lot 😂. Hook me up with one of those mules my friend trade ya though the shipping probably won’t be cheap because I’m in Merica🇺🇸
@jayr526
@jayr526 Год назад
If I could cut as fast as you do I am sure that I would lose count early into the cutting.
@williamdabill
@williamdabill Год назад
Do i review on a fallkniven Modern Bowie
@etherealicer
@etherealicer Год назад
But how does it compare to a Huusk knife?
@sswwooppee
@sswwooppee Год назад
But... how does it compare to a Huusk knife?
@piperkennard1039
@piperkennard1039 Год назад
Spyderco rocks brother 💯🤜🤛👍
@conductorcammon
@conductorcammon Год назад
Go team!
@t.j.speakman7723
@t.j.speakman7723 Год назад
Nice, vey nice.
@aaronb.4830
@aaronb.4830 Год назад
Man now I want to play FF7.
@samuraiS30v
@samuraiS30v Год назад
Have u tested D3V?
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