Why on earth are they doing an accident reconstruction when they haven't called the M.E. to prove he was killed by a car? This prosecution is bat shit.
All I can say after watching every second of this trial so far is I HOPE that the FEDS are ALSO watching every second of this trial as they continue their investigation of these disturbingly incompetent law enforcement officials!!
My understanding is their jurisdiction applies here to only finding out if the police planted evidence . And of course if anyone lied to them during questioning they are 100% facing jail time. But they can’t investigate a murder unless “invited” by the state/police and that’s not likely. It makes sense that the feds would hire accident reconstruction experts because if her car didn’t hit him, evidence had to have been planted.
What a delight to have a witness that knows what she's talking about, isn't belligerent, remembers things, doesn't have to apologize for her behavior, and is polite and respectful. What a breath of fresh air.
This so called accident expert described how a vehicle responds in the snow. When stuck in snow your speed on the petal will be pushed way down as vehicle begins to get traction your steering wheel will move back and forth. You will then come off pedal so you don’t lose control. He claims this is consistent with hitting a pedestrian but it is more so consistent with being in snow which she was. I been driving for a living for over 30 years and grew up in Northern Ontario Canada I know snow and ice.
Yeah, I've said something similar. The speed on a vehicle computer is determined by the wheel rotation. Is it possible that she wasn't able to gain traction and bashed down on the gas, causing the wheels to spin, but not necessarily causing the vehicle to move forward/reverse at 24 MPH?
It has to be this imo - the distance is too great otherwise. I saw a video on X that showed the distance and he's saying she would've reversed the full length of the front of the house to get to that speed. Which would put the Uturn at the driveway - and the other witness cars. The time/distance/speed do not match with witness accounts.
@@laymanlogichonestly the whole strategy of the prosecution seems to be somewhere between gaslighting jurors about how reality works and trying to argue things the defence has said pre-trial. It's been so frustrating to watch.
Check day 6 at the end. Police went to John's house to check on the children. Dash cam shows clearly broken at 8:20 am. Pieces already found at Fairview
@@MaureenODonovan well yeah that was after she could have broke it when she hit the car..... No proof it was broken before that and if it was it wasn't proven the way it showed if it was broke the way it was in this video it would have shown all white light with a tiny little red only .. and the way the evidence was collected and the looks that it was screwed with. Doesn't prove she hit the guy even if she did... Sadly their horrible police work will get her off if she in fact did it at all.
@@MaureenODonovan the dash cam and all the other video shows a small break and snow. Not nearly the entire taillight busted out. The cop from the town whose name I keep forgetting described a crack and a small piece missing. Which is what Kari described. Everyone called it a crack. The pieces they have that were found on the lawn that make up the majority of the taillight - no one would call that much damage a crack.
I parked my car in a parking spot, pulled the e-brake, and left it running because it was winter and my dog was with me (it's a manual, so I didn't put it in park because that would stall the engine) and my vehicle slowly rolled backwards into another vehicle. My vehicle had ZERO damage (no scratches, no paint damage, no body damage) but the other vehicle's bumper had an indentation the size of a basketball!! No one can convince me that both vehicles must be damaged in low speed collisions. 🙄
Lally is spending more time trying to disprove the defences case than prove that KR is guilty. If he had any confidence in his case he wouldn’t have to be so underhand and dishonest in what he does.
It’s starting to look that way. I read a comment a few days ago and they said Lally might just believe that this case is weak but was forced to handle it.
That's true. And frankly (I'm a retired criminal defense lawyer/ prosecutor) his "prosecution" has ended up presenting a strong case for the Defense. AND: Keep in mind that the BURDEN is on the prosecution. Thus far, they haven't even come CLOSE to "beyond a reasonable doubt." As Emily and other colleagues have stated repeatedly, this case never should've been pursued. It's more holes than case. It's corrupt. As a prosecutor I wouldn't touch it. AND I would've taken the investigation AWAY from The Proctor Gang and asked for the FBI to start over. FBI agents from St Louis or somewhere with no connection to Massachusetts. To investigate the Incident, as well as the Federal investigation that's ongoing against Proctor, Trooper Balphabet, Tully, the Alberts, etc. And I'd send an official memo requesting that ALL the scumbags who'd had ANYTHING to do with the case be suspended pending investigations. With NO ACCESS to Anything touching the case. I've done it several times. When endemic, deeply embedded corruption and "fixed" cases like this become everyday occurrences, under Federal questioning and KNOWING there's already enough sh*t on them to put then away for 10 yrs to LWOP, they'll start to RAT. Turning on each other. This constitutes Organized Crime, just like LCN or major street/ prison gangs. That means RICO-- an ongoing, organized criminal organization. That's how I would've spearheaded it. F*ck the "blue line." I was a career NCO and officer in the US Army. If I saw one of my soldiers getting "run up," I'd do the same thing. If my guy was guilty as sin, that's on him. It's about JUSTICE. EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW. IMO, the whole "duffel bag" of the entire local/ state law enforcement agencies, AND everyone on the Bench as well, need to be emptied and gone through under the microscope. I SUSPECT a full 75% as a MINIMUM will be dirty and run out state, or prosecuted to the fullest extent of FEDERAL LAW. Massachusetts law enforcement and judixial systems will probably be closely monitored by the US DOJ.
Agreed...it seems like he doesn't really have a clear case to prove, so he's taking the approach to deflect by trying to disprove the defense's arguments.
"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table." This adage is well known in law, I think we will all agree. And it appears Lally is spending ALOT of time pounding the table.
The crash-test "expert" witness was so hard to follow! He didn't study the process until the trial?! Listening to Lally expound before actually ASKING a question is mind-numbing 😖
@@rebekahbrittain7150makes me wonder what's in his "water" bottle I know it's hot in there but its attention grabbing the way he grasps it and chugs it seems excessive.
And Brian Higgins. In fact my working theory here is that he challenged John to a fight, the dog also got involved and just left him there knowing that people would cover for them. This is of course alleged and being that I’m not an investigator or involved in this case that I can prove any of this.
Except they weren't given all the necessary information with which to do a full and complete analysis. Tully limited her access by 2/3rds in order for her to not come to a true conclusion. 🤷
@@stellaallbright4750 How was she limited and how did it affect her conclusions? [edit] I don't think Yanetti's cross was getting to how true her conclusions were, just that the prosecution had an expert who could have done much more, but wasn't asked to. Cherry picking by the Commonwealth.
I still wonder why The defense hasn’t pointed out that it is more significant that Jen did NOT notice John first when Carrie was driving in front of Albert home. She supposedly knew where she last saw Karen’s Lexus after midnight. So what that tells me is that Jen was purposefully NOT looking in that spot because she needed Karen to be the one to “find” John first.
@@soude85- Jen McCabe repeatedly stated she saw Karen’s car “right outside the front door” then she saw her move the car two times towards the flagpole. That was before they left the Albert house for the night, about an hour before they left the house that night.
Wait!!! What??!! So she backs up, hits him in the head and breaks her tail light, sends him flying about 8ft….THEN the broken tail light causes lacerations to his arm???? I want a detailed explanation in physics on how that can happen.
The toll that this trial is taking on everybody has never been more evident. You could hear it in their voices from the start of the morning. Even Jackson's objections were subdued.
"Now, in addition to what's depicted on screen right now as far as the vehicle on the 360-overhead, as the vehicle travels, uh what if anything, uhh, in addition is depicted on that particular portion of the screen as far as the 360-overhead?" I can't even with Lally anymore. why is EVERY question like this
Hey just FYI the time stamps are off for the replay crew! Says stream break but you can scroll through and see the Trooper’s testimony on direct. Peace and love! ❤
Thank you for this! I was so confused when she was doing the summary saying things I never heard the trooper say. I went back through the testimony trying to find out what I missed and couldn’t find it. I was then convinced a chunk was missing and came to the comments to find out. Thank you!
I reversed and hit my neighbours car in a similar manner. My tail light cracked and a small piece of plastic broke off. Some paint cracked/split on my bumper. The neighbours car had no visible damage at all. I do believe Karen broke her tail light when she reversed into the SUV regardless of if there was damage on his car.
Exactly what I was thinking. I was sitting in a parking lot when someone backed into my vehicle, no damage to mine but she had some, I even had to help her reattach the part of her bumper that disconnected from it.
20-year trained/experienced auto field adjuster here….gotta put in my two cents based on years of many accident investigations and vehicle inspections….that reversal into John’s parked Traverse would crack Karen’s plastic Lexus taillamp lens and not the entire housing and the Traverse likely didn’t sustain visible damage. This definitely happens. Also, backing into a person and causing facial impact/injuries like John sustained is totally inconsistent-the height of taillamp is significantly shorter than John’s head. Furthermore, had she backed into him such force to injure him you’d definitely see metal denting on adjacent quarterpanel near taillamp pocket or the gate panel let alone some sort of paint spider cracking on the plastic rear bumper cover. The prosecution’s theory of the Lexus hitting John clearly doesn’t jive!
When I view that video, I don't see her tail light coming in to contact with John's car at all. It looks to me like the contact would have been on her rear quarter panel and tracks with the scratches they documented there.
As far as John's injuries, we still need the ME's testimony but I imagine he could have been bending over - maybe he dropped his glass or simply stumbled - and got struck on the right side of his head. She may not have meant to strike him but was reversing quickly to get a parting verbal shot in before she drove away. I think that's entirely plausible.
Lally to Trooper Paul-“are you an expert in vehicular collision, sir?” Trooper Paul-“no, but I did watch it on Court TV last night” -look out Holiday Inn Express, you’ve got competition.
The part of me that wants to give the benefit if the doubt wants them to be showing solidarity with a colleague who has cancer. Then I remember who I'm talking about, and wonder if they had a breakout of lice.
Lally is like the woman who ran the cafe near my old work. "What can I get you?" "I'll have a crispy buttered roll with chicken, cucumber and lettuce" "Do you want butter?" "Yes please" "Any salad?" "Cucumber and lettuce" "Crispy or soft?" 😭
⦁ 5:21:43 Snow undisurbed on John's vehicle. ⦁ 5:23:05 John's vehicle rocks forward due to impact from Karen's vehicle. ⦁ 5:23:15 Snow is disturbed on John's vehicle. Rear hatch and vertical line in middle of bumper. ⦁ 5:24:07 Close up of John's vehicle moving from impact. ⦁ 5:24.11 Karen's tail light is considerably brighter when pulling away from John's vehicle. My thoughts, the light intensity increases due to tail light being damaged on impact and more light is escaping the tail light housing.
My biggest take out from ALL the data is that ‘supposed hit’ could equally have been a loss off traction, hitting a snow lump, touching a kerb or any number of things.
According to the states logic the key cycle of the accident in question would actually be when the car was being transported on the tow truck. If you watch that video you can see the driver pushing hard on the gas to get that car out of the unplowed 10 inches of snow. Their slam dunk evidence of an accident is THEM TOWING HER CAR.
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No. The Lexus was not “readable”, in the way that the Suburban in Murdaugh was. I don’t know if the CW investigators did not want the data or if they couldn’t find out how to get it from Toyota🤷🏻♀️. That is why they TRIED to use the key cycle evidence , even though they miscalculated the number of times the car had been started.
WHAT IF HER TIRES WERE JUST SPINNING AS SHE WAS IN REVERSE?!? The roads were wet! I'm literally yelling at my TV that it seems like her tires may have just been spinning!!
so far I really like this first expert on digital forensics!! she really knows how to parse the questions she's getting and say something that makes sense
@@GenZMother because apple was doing predictive text trying to help. So it’s not her search term. You know how every freaking time apple says ducking we all know there’s no ducking going on
@@GenZMother as far as I understand, it's because she was cross-referencing several different types of database on the phone that describe slightly different information. So one database lists all of the terms that were ever in the search box, and a different database lists the searches that were actually executed, and a different database describes the movement of the safari tab she was using. So in a way I guess it's a bit like that parable of the elephant where one database describes the tail and one the ears and one the legs etc and the expert has to pull all of them together to try and conclude elephant, if that makes sense
Apparently, Tully gave her the conclusion to work back from (reverse engineering) and 2/3rds of the information one would need to complete a full investigation. 🤷
I don't know about y'all but I'm exhausted after this week of trial! Such a Rollercoaster! Have a great weekend, rest up. Monday will be another wild day!
In the voidere the expert actually said that the impact between the two cars could not have caused the extensive damage to the tail light that he saw but it might have cracked it. He also said that the impact between the two cars could explain some of the scratches on Karen's car. And that the different materials on The two cars could explain why there are more visible marks on Karen's car than Johns. This agrees with the defences argument that the tail light was only cracked before the car went to the sallyport. Jackson's anger at the non disclosure made him miss it.
To be fair, the expert seems to have a speech irregularity. I won’t opine on what it might be, but it makes him difficult to understand clearly. Esp if it’s already hard to hear in that courtroom.
Never trust someone who claims to have done physics or chemistry calculations but then gives you a numbers without its units and thinks that is a completely answer. Since I actually took physics, I know what the units of acceleration usually are, meters per second squared, because science is generally done using the metric system. However, since this case is in the US and we use imperial units here, especially for motor vehicles, I don't know whether the number he stated is in meters per second squared, feet per second squared, or pancakes per doghouse squared! The number he gave effectively means absolutely nothing without its units and the very fact that he clearly thought his answer was complete without the units tells me that he is not qualified to analyze this data because he doesn't appear to understand what it actually means.
Okay so I understood more about physics before I ever stepped foot in a physics class than this supposed expert does after his "training" now. Jesus fucking Christ!
Omg. You are so right. I am Not a sciencey person, but my teachers and professors for math and science classes I was forced to take would Never have accepted an answer without the proper units!!! I remember my geometry teacher in high school would give a zero 0 for any assignment that did not have a date on it!! Yep. You are right about that one
i'm typically 1000% more pro defense than emily is. the prosecution really has to have a complete dog crap case for her and i to be 100% on the same page pretty well through the entire trial. really something extra satisfying when the planets align like this.
This case is wild! I think she’s tough on both sides when there’s fuckery afoot lol. She’s pretty good at calling balls and strikes for both sides, while keeping an open mind until all the evidence is in. I don’t always agree with her perception of witnesses, sometimes she has a hard time taking off the attorney hat to perceive it the way a juror might. I try to not watch outside content, it helps me understand why a jury makes the decision they make. The first big case I watched almost gavel to gavel was Casey Anthony, and my blood was boiling. I was also watching news coverage from the beginning and all throughout, which differed from what was presented to the jury. So now when I watch a case, I’m very much waiting for the prosecution to prove their case well, and how well the defense can undo it. The way Lally is chasing his tail to defend against the opposition’s theory instead of presenting the CW’s theory clearly is bonkers! Having the ME at and all of the tech data at the end makes it feel like they aren’t going fare well to pass reasonable doubt.
I’m still watching but im really waiting for them to explain how a 74 inch man was positioned just so to obliterate a taillight 42-50 inches off the ground with only his head injured but no broken neck or other broken bones
Also he was found on his back so he was hit facing the car? No one documented where his head was oriented as far as I can remember. Did he slip backwards and slam his head into the head light and she didn't notice? Like I still don't understand how his location and injuries = car. And then I have 5 million more smaller questions that all add up to big problem.
Giving benefit of doubt, he had to have been bent over, head facing the road, throwing up. Then gets hit on the back of the head or in both eyes at once by the brake light and the impact throws him up hill (over the berm they haven’t mentioned since the first few days of trial) and lands supine. It defies physics. And they took no photos or measurements. So. I’m only going off what I imagined during witness and first responder testimony, and according to how my imagination is often completely wrong when I see it drawn out-this proves nothing.
Replay crew and had such a stressful day. I don’t know why watching this so relaxing. I know this is a horrible situation but I think it allows me to immerse myself in someone else’s f*ckery and think to myself my life isn’t that bad.
Same… I had a very minor car accident yesterday but you know how anything like that makes you feel so stressed and bad (cause it was 100% my fault) but i just kept thinking… ok… I’m not on trial for running over my boyfriend… 😅
@@hnraj9441yes, I’d rather focus, brainstorm, and process a puzzle like this than constantly ruminate on basic adulting and stressors. ADHD, so even with meds (and caffeine 🫣), it’s hard to quiet my brain. Had a hysterectomy in November but kept an ovary (stupid me), so now I’m dealing with wild perimenopausal hormones after being used to birth control for so long. My brain at night is nonstop when the Adderall wears off and the insomnia has been so bad.
I was really confused about why they would do that. They get ahead of the testimony, but now the defense can rebut their witness instead of letting their witness have the last word. Why do this??
@dreamtrance9892 -- If I remember correctly, the Defense has multiple FBI expert witnesses, so, no offense to this lovely and phenom first witness, the Defense witnesses will crush her testimony. Imho. 🤷
Hell yes! I came in cold to this when trial started, like a juror. After the solo cups and leaf blowers, ummm, BAD. After Proctor testified he decided who’s guilty on day 1? Done. Boom. Not guilty.
Had a car, Oldsmobile style, bump me from behind at a very slow speed as we were inching up at a yield sign to pull into traffic. I had a Jeep grand Cherokee, and my vehicle had no damage on the plastic bumper where they met and theirs had damage on the front grill/bumper area (long time ago, can’t recall exactly where).
The amount of people that complain that Emily talks during trial and I've seen it on Runkle too. Like hello they are legal COMMENTARY channels. There would be no point in them showing the trial on their channels if they didn't do commentary. It's called fair use. Plus especially in Lallys droning Emily's commentary helps keep me awake. I hate that the jury has to suffer Lally without Emily's commentary.
As soon as she said "Great question!" With such joyous enthusiasm, I wondered if she had ever taught Lally... Sounds so much like a person who teaches young children!
I'm always confused by americans saying 'good question' as to say i would really like to talk about that. Where i come from the similar answer would mean that they are not sure of the answer and has to think about it
My 11-year-old twins heard, in the background the part of the testimony where they’re trying to argue if the two vehicles hit and my 11 year old children said (before Jackson, spelt it out for the specialist ) “you just have to measure where the crack is to where it lines up on the other vehicle” (in so many words). LMAO! Do in short, my children are better accident reconstruction experts then the prosecutions accident reconstruction expert. 😳 PS where is all John’s blood? Just one of the hundreds and hundreds of questions that still have not been answered……. and we are weeks and weeks and weeks into the prosecutions case and presumably days away from the the prosecution resting their case. 🤯
In addition, road hazard warning and safety precautions get disabled when the lens gets covered. Cruise control is one example, winter driving is fun as you pass trucks, including salting plows, will turn off all your safety precautions until the lens can see again.
I see lots of conjecture and attempts to have evidence to corroborate that, much of which is totally irrelevant, to make it appear they have something. All smoke and mirrors,
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I can't imagine being neuro-divergent on this jury because at least the rest of us can talk amongst ourselves and realize that everyone is confused by the case Lally is presumably trying to make.
Ive started to decide that his strategy is to attack the defense theory as best he can because the prosecution case is weak. idk I think if CW put forward his case it would be easier to follow his witness and expert testimony and let it stand on the merits. And if the case is such a dog you cant prove beyond a reasonable doubt, don't try the case. There is no expiration date on murder.
YES!! i can’t imagine being on the jury how frustrated i would feel because i would be so confused without being able to talk to others & realize the problem isn’t me misunderstanding but that the case is being laid out incredibly poorly
Especially on a snow covered street! Does anyone know the distance she supposedly backed up to hit him? I can't imagine she would have been able to get fast enough on a snowy street to do much damage much less kill him with so many injuries that have been mentioned.
Just watched the ring camera video of Karen backing out of garage. The passenger side taillight shows red on the snow before the outside light comes on. And if you see that the light against on the back of John's car before she begins to turn, the light on his car is red. If the taillight was as broke as the prosecution says it was. The light against the rear of John's car would be white. Or am I wrong.
@@MaureenODonovanthe bulb inside a brake light is white. The polycarbonate cover is what makes it shine red. If the cover was shattered and mostly missing as shown in the photos shown by the forensic specialist that put the 42 pieces back together it would not have been shining red because there would have been no red for the white light to shine through.
It's really hard to see how this gets past Proctor. Putting aside what the women on the jury think, as a guy, I can assure you that men are perfectly well aware how bad the c word is considered and how demeaning the rest of it was. A male juror is *very* unlikely to side with Proctor and argue something like "yeah, I understand that's super bad but otherwise I find him credible." Most men (that don't work for MSP) would be put off by this even in a jury with only men. But to take that position in front of women jurors? Ha. Additionally, guess what a lot of men have outside court? Wives, daughters, sisters, mothers, etc.
And to add on to that, most men probably have women in their life with health issues that could be embarrassing (this trial also made me realize how common MS is). Imagine hearing someone make jokes like he did about your wife/sister/mother's health issues? I'd be seeing red.
I’m from Australia and I cringed at the way he used that word because there was no way you could even call it locker talk. Disgusting and pathetic from someone who has been trusted to look after the community
Another week of unanswered questions and still no testimony from the medical examiner. How are we 25 days in and almost 60 witnesses deep without knowing the cause? Am I the only one who finds this so weird?!
Nope. You are definitely not the only one. Unbelievable prosecution. Why if why have we not heard from the ME yet?? When and if we ever do, I'm sure it will be because the ME won't be good for the prosecution... the prosecution is not good for the prosecution!!!
I think it's because of those communications from Proctor that the ME originally had an undetermined cause of death and the Prosecution don't want to deal with that, they want to prove cause of death to the jury first, before the defense gets a chance to bring that up. Just a theory.
I think the way Voir Dire came out with Trooper Paul today just goes to show the intent and narrative that the prosecution is trying to paint without any factual evidence that proves anything. I’m not sure that I can say that there’s a conspiracy going on here but with how incredibly horrible the investigation was, from having evidence in red solo cups, to NOT investigating anything in the house where a victim was found, to “giving “expert” opinions” that didn’t have any record or actual evidence proving their opinions with cold hard facts, to the way that some of these witnesses have been extremely defensive, and concluding after 16hrs that Karen was guilty of hitting him with a car and leaving him to pass even though for days and weeks they were still collecting “evidence”; I can’t say beyond a reasonable doubt that Karen is guilty of anything accept for having drinks and driving. It’s truly horrible that I feel like the family isn’t going to get the answers and most of all justice that they deserve. My heart goes out to them.
My sister has the same Lexus but an older model…. That thing beeps so much, I think you just start to ignore it 😂 plus, especially pulling out of a garage, it’s ALREADY beeping as soon as she puts it in reverse cause the garage wall is behind her. If JOK parks his car there usually, I can see how she ignored any alarms from the car if she was used to it and panicking.
I have this exact vehicle and a simple push of a button turns the beep off ( you have to do this every time you crank the vehicle ). She may have done this when she cranked the vehicle since it was in the garage. I turn mine off when I’m in a fast food drive thru and close enough to the building to set it off. If I forget to turn it back on it will not beep again until I turn the vehicle off and back on (or remember and manually push the button and turn it back on).
This Trooper testimony is so bad, bc he's trying so hard to fit it into the prosecution/ other troopers conclusions. This trail has been so much garbage that in garbage bags out.
The Jenn McCabe of it all aside... How many defendants have ended up in jail over commonly misinterpreted forensic digital data? They needed an expert in the field to write a book on the subject because this knowledge wasn't being updated among other experts -- and still hasn't been. This is the stuff that keeps me awake at night.
I think that witnesses is very knowledgeable, but the fact that Lally gave her such a limited scope makes it harder to take everything she said as complete enough to be useful. It is super sketch to me that he limited her so much. Why do that if you are after the truth and wan definitive answers? She couldn't be definitive, just offer possibilities.
@@hnraj9441 until I hear the defense, I think her findings are perfectly reasonable. The reality is, all her findings suggest is that JM didn't do a search before the body was discovered. It has nothing to do with guilt of innocence -- or literally anything about Reed. It's a red herring to even be considering it, which, good strategy on the defense to have so many already trying to confirm their bias against an onlooker instead of on the defendant. But let's put it this way, because the point of my comment was definitely lost to the gossip of it all with JM: What if it had been Karen Reed's phone and searches we were questioning right now, and you had an expert show up to say it definitely meant she made that search before she started looking for the victim? But the data was interpreted wrong, because experts don't always understand what they're looking at, and lawyers just want data to tell a story, not prove a truth. How would people feel about her being found guilty over such a common misinterpretation of data? Probably a little more intensly. This confusion is like learning fingerprint matches aren't accurate because of *insert super important detail*, yet innocent people are looking guilty anyways, possibly ending up in jail over it. It's a problem.
The more amateur hour we see in this case, the more I'm thinking that this area has an exceptionally high rate of plea deals. The cops claim exceptionally good evidence, Lally puts exceptional pressure to make a deal, and no one's actual skills are ever tested
I know that feeling… went from a ‘92 Bonneville, to a ‘06 Tribute, to now a ‘20 Rogue Sport… I felt like I was in a whole other galaxy when I got in that car lol.
my 2008 Sonata doesn't even have an Aux jack. they became standard on the 2009 models, 🤣.... I don't like screens in vehicles, the backup camera on my husband's truck makes me bonkers, but then again I find myself trying to put my left foot through the floor looking for the clutch.
Replay crew today 🤗 I was traveling and couldn’t wait to see todays live …I told the Family don’t bug me for 6 hours.. they know I need my Emily and lawnerd time💜
I am so excited, we have an EMT that just joined our clinic and he’s into this trial, so I now have a work buddy to fangirl/fanboy out with on trials!!! He gets bits and pieces from TikTok, and I get to fill him in on the details 🤭 I sent him the quickbits playlist for this trial so he could catch up lol
I’m passed the point of NO Return with Lally. Today was SO disappointing for me!!! Barely any cross examination, which is the only thing that keeps me awake during this trial. It’s not EVERY trial, it’s simply JUST LALLY! The man is a BORE!!! I seriously struggle to stay awake while he speaks!!!! Seriously!!! No joke or exaggeration on my part. I LITERALLY nodded out several times when Lally was on direct!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@Chelle_Lynn319 I agree! I think Lolly chased down something he knew he shouldn't..maybe worried about re election? He should take speaking lessons, work on his delivery.
I've been saying all along that they need to put the vehicles together and show us how they line up. And the chevy may be built stronger in the exact area of the hit vs the lexus and other factors.
If "key cycles" are when the car is started, then if 1164 was when they tested the car, 1163 would've been when they drove it into the sally port, 1162 would've been when they drove to her parent's house and 1161 would've been when she drove it around that morning looking for John. 1160 would be from the Waterfall to the Alberts' house... Actually, if she turned the car off at Jen McCabe's, that would've been 1161 (driving from McCabes' to John's to make sure he wasn't there) then 1160 would be when she left John's to look for him and 1159 would've been from the Waterfall to the Alberts' and then to John's for the night... The trigger data makes sense for if the car was being driven in snow. To back up in snow, you'd have to open up the throttle to get traction as the tires were probably slipping and the speed of the vehicle is pretty slow for 50% gunning it... so, snow... lots of it, like the next day, when they took the car from John's house to Karen's parent's house, not the night before. This reconstruction witness is ridiculous.
@@whocaresreallly5886 You're right! so that would make that the key cycle 1162 and you can see the tires spin as they back it out of the driveway then it took more than one try to get it onto the flatbed and they didn't even show that whole video so who knows how many tries it took to get it out of the driveway or onto that flatbed because they only showed a small portion of the video so... that puts the key cycle of when she dropped John off at 1158, not 1162.
What, if anything, is the accident reconstruction trooper saying? I hear words but they don’t appear to be making sentences. They’re certainly not making sense. I’d love him to draw the position he seems to be saying John would be in for the car to cause the injuries John suffered … he’s said John’s arm on the tail light, hand where the dent is and his head…..? I’ll keep watching, maybe that’s coming
If the accelerator pedal was pushed down to 74.5 per cent pressure -- remember, that when you accelerate on a snowy day, your tires will begin to spin rapidly. Then usually a person realizes how slippery it is, and accelerates more slowly after that. Wouldn't spinning of wheels "add" a few feet to the distance log, even though you were spinning in place for a few seconds?
Each time I think the CW case can't get any worse... they prove me wrong ! Trooper Paul's testimony was WILD ! I expected the reconstruction to be the key proof they had against Karen but it's just a bunch of BS that makes absolutly no sense and is based on a pile of assumptions 🤷♀
Judge bev going out of her way to have a more reasonable tone with the defense despite her not liking his style - I appreciate that. And even chastising Lally. I do think she has been trying harder throughout the trial to be increasingly even-handed despite the media and internet stuff that makes her mad and she blames the defense for. I really do appreciate her efforts.
Apple has a program that counts millisecond time stamps, that program can prove her key strokes at that time and tell if she searched at that time. I'm guessing the defense will bring it up.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the case has been so public that someone from Google or Apple dug into it further than it had been previously. Kind of like the car data in SC.
Does it make any sense that a man 6’2” would have head injuries from a tail light (calculating the lower position of the tail light to his height I would expect trauma to the torso, not Officer O’Keefe’s head) ????
It is possible if he was bending forward because he dropped his glass or was picking up something she threw at him or stumbled forward or was vomiting. The tail light would be right at temple/eye level. I always imagined that is what may have happened.
@@melindapye7435Wouldn’t they have found whatever he was bending down for right in that spot where she hit him? Rather than the glass being found around his body. Also I feel he would have to be bending at an awkward height to have his head be level with her tail light, he would also have injuries to his torso still and possibly even also his legs as more of his body would actually be in direct line of the car. For me the lacerations and punctures to his arm is what gets me the most if this is a simple hit and run. Also the hash on the back of his head, nobody has mentioned if he fell onto a rock or something to cause that gash, it sounds like he landed right on the grass in the spot he was found. Also he lost three litres of blood yet mere drops were found, how is that even possible?
Holy crap! The number of Key Cycles from when Karen Read supposedly hit John O'Keefe was 01162 (meaning the car had been started 1,162 times total in it's history prior to and including the incident). The next time it was triggered and recorded was when the Troopers had it at Canton PD and it was on Key Cycle number 01164 which means there was only one Key Cycle between when Karen hit John (supposedly) and the Troopers doing there drive tests in it. That's a major problem for the Common Wealth's theory because we know there were at least two more Key Cycles after Karen returned from 34 Fair View after hitting O'Keefe. Once at 5 am when she drove over to Jen McCabe's and they returned to John's to drop it off (which would've been Key Cycle 01163) and at least one more when Karen drove it to her parents house (which would've been Key Cycle 01164) later that day before Proctor and Bukhenik showed up and towed it. I believe they also drove it onto the tow truck bed (01165) and they definitely drove it into the Sally Port (01166). By the time the Troopers did their trigger tests with Karen's Lexus, it should've been somewhere between Key Cycle 01166 to 01168. We're missing at least 2 or 3 Key Cycles according to the car incident data log. There's no way around that and I can't imagine that the Defense missed that but it appears the Common Wealth and Trooper Paul did. This is massive. The car was started at least 2-3 times after they say Karen hit John but according to the report it was only started once between when she hit John and when the Troopers did their analysis. Somebody better explain this to me like I'm 5. I have questions.
Cycle 1162 would have been from waterfall, stopping at fairview, then John's. Assuming the vehicle was actually shut off at the Read residence (Karen's parents'), it would be on cycle 1167 on the NEXT start. If they did testing at the Sally port, 1167 if they triggered the key cycle log - but if they drove it to another facility, 1168. Your logic logics. I'm not that far yet, but if the CW presented data at key cycle 1163.. That is falsifying data and records. Now, explain it to you like you're 5: 1162 = incident. The number should be between 1166 and 1168 when they pulled the information from the vehicle. If it doesn't, they are lying. Lying is a bad habit to get into, please don't do that ♥️ *hugs* Hope that helps!
@@NerdyPengin Exactly. Meaning Trooper Paul and Common Wealth's whole theory of the case is absolutely destroyed based on the Key Cycles. Karen Read didn't even have her car when Key Cycle 01162 was recorded and therefore the triggering incident reflected in that report had to have occurred when the car was in Mass State Police custody (or at Canton PD). There's no way around it. And I agree. Lying is a bad habit and Trooper Paul did a whole lot of lying today and on Friday. God bless.
This testimony is hurting more than it’s helping. Feels like Lally found a sucker to show data to prove himself right. So many inconsistencies and mistakes. What about the emergency braking and backup camera?
OMG! I just slowed down canton pd vid and I see all the red for the passenger tail light! (at 5:06:56 on this stream). I do not see a huge chunk of it missing!!! GO WATCH!!
My truck records everything. It records my routes, speeds, braking, crash detection, swerving, fricking everything. It tells me how much gas is left and I can find my vehicle even if it is off. I drive a Ford Ranger! 2019
@@TracyB-dn7jy No. The judge is to blame for the schedule. She's the one that decided they were only going to work three day weeks and have half of those days be half days. And she is completely capable of shutting down all of Lally's irrelevant and cumulative testimony. If she would have been properly telling Lally to move along and get to the relevant testimony then the vast majority of his witnesses would only have been on the stand thirty minutes max. But she just sat there with a glazed look on her face as he spent an hour and a half going through the life story of every single witness before getting to the five to ten minutes of relevant testimony.
Thank God there are more people pointing this out. It's easy to blame Lally, but the COURT is the one who decided from the jump that full-time hours are unnecessary for this case. We could have been at this point at least 3 weeks ago if the judge felt this case was a priority.
