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Machining Aluminum Plate with Sainsmart Genmitsu 3018 CNC 

Nathan Builds Robots
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UPDATE: A lot of the deficiencies in this video are due to inexperience and using the wrong tools.
Check out my new video to see what this machine is capable of with the right endmill and gcode!
• Genmitsu CNC 3018 - Be...
Today I will be building and testing the Sainsmart Genmitsu 3018 PRO CNC on 1/4" thick 3003 aluminum plate.
I bought my CNC on Amazon
Sainsmart Genmitsu CNC 3018-PRO
Affiliate Link: amzn.to/3qWW5VR

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Комментарии : 66   
@knightdaleknights44
@knightdaleknights44 3 года назад
I've made gussets from 1/8" 6061-T6 aluminum using the stock Genmitsu 3018 PROver. Works like a charm. I upgraded the spindle motor so I can cut faster but you can cut through aluminum just fine with the stock 3018, albeit at a slow speed.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
Yeah watching my 3018 cut out aluminum plate is like watching paint dry. Except it's slower and more dangerous!
@t1000android
@t1000android 3 года назад
WOW, you can drill really fast :)
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
I know, with that speed why do i even bother with a CNC?
@t1000android
@t1000android 3 года назад
@@NathanBuildsRobots :)
@garylarson6386
@garylarson6386 3 года назад
to cut aluminum you need a much more rigid machine, if you put an indicator against the spindle and push , taking light cuts only leaves the heat in the endmill and not the chip, buy a machine with square linear rails
@indigenoussober407
@indigenoussober407 3 года назад
Do you have any recommendations?
@garylarson6386
@garylarson6386 3 года назад
@@indigenoussober407 unfortunately all the rigid cnc routers are $2500 plus , I am building my own for about $1000
@indigenoussober407
@indigenoussober407 3 года назад
@@garylarson6386 That's a little too spendy for me. Thanks for the reply.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
This guy upgraded his 3018 to an insane level. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EI416WMoeZI.html I'm guessing he spent $200 on base model and another$400-$600 in upgrades, which could be done is phases.
@RioElMystic-999
@RioElMystic-999 3 года назад
What beginner desktop machine would you recommend that is capable of cutting aluminum? Thank you
@JNPBuilds
@JNPBuilds 2 года назад
"alright so here's the final result, annd, it kinda looks like crap" had me rolling. thanks for the video. it was good insight to what these things can do out of the box
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 2 года назад
That's just how it goes when learning something new! I like to document how I improve over time, and point out the lessons learned along the way.
@dekurvajo
@dekurvajo 2 года назад
I definitely like to buy a small cnc like this. However this piece of work can be done easily with the method i use it for years. I print my plan with laser printer. Glue the paper on the sheet. Every center point printed on (especially the negative curves if you know what i mean) i start with drilling pilot holes. next the negative curves with hole saw, then the boundary with angle grinder. Next step is grinding or sanding, final hole sizes, countersink. What i can not do manually is the 2,5D parts. But as it seems like i need to keep looking. Until then, i have to accept the 3D printed parts.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 2 года назад
Good old fashioned metalworking. But sometimes its more fun to spend 20 hrs building, programming, and ultimately failing with a mini CNC than taking the 1 or 2 hrs to build the darned thing by hand.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 2 года назад
P.S. I have an updated video where I did a much better job with the same CNC. Just took some learning to figure out the limits of the machine, and some small tweaks and fixes.
@dekurvajo
@dekurvajo 2 года назад
@@NathanBuildsRobots actually i do both. I do design and build 3D models, then print them, i use a laser to cut and build things. And yeah, still use my hand. The funny thing is i none of my products are machine made. All of them are handmade, and their all has the lovely imperfection, flaws that makes them somehow more human. But when it comes to my workshop, tools, jigs, and practical equipments, i like precision, accuracy and order. I don't know, probably its some kind of left/right polarity in my brain.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 2 года назад
@@dekurvajo If you make something imperfectly by hand one time, that's OK. But if you make an imperfect machine, than then goes on to make hundreds of imperfect products... well that's criminal.
@GeorgeGraves
@GeorgeGraves 9 месяцев назад
0:22 I lol'ed - ahahahahahahahaha
@dineshvyas
@dineshvyas 3 года назад
Very honest.
@bigcountryvet5984
@bigcountryvet5984 3 года назад
You will have spend much more to get a CNC to cut aluminium plate. Good video keep up your work.
@justso1823
@justso1823 3 года назад
Better cutting tip slower cutting speed with an air feed directed on the tip to cool it down
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
I put an aquarium pump on, pretty much the smallest one I could buy. It works ok, but it would be worth stepping up to a medium sized one for this application.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
I'm running carbide tip as slow as I can bear to run it with air from an aquarium pump directed in the tip and it's still pretty choppy. I think the frame is too flexible to get high quality results
4 года назад
You say you're assembling a 3018 CNC and then you say it's 3018 Pro which one is it?
@DavZell
@DavZell 3 года назад
The written description says Pro.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
It’s the pro version
@nikolascarvalho8950
@nikolascarvalho8950 4 года назад
Hello friend, you have a CNC like yours, but when I lost its parameters, you could only supply me with a total of 132?
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 4 года назад
Looks like $132 should be set to 30.000 You would need to type "$132=30" into Candle or Universal G-Code Sender www.sainsmart.com/blogs/news/new-tutorial-tuning-your-grbl-cnc-settings
@themistoklis6237
@themistoklis6237 3 года назад
Loctite needed
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
I put some screws into the sides of the spindle holder that pinch the linear bearings and have held them in place. Didn't even think about loctite, that would have been easier.
@StefanFendt
@StefanFendt 2 года назад
It was NOT designed for milling aluminium, so why the **** does everyone try? If you want to get decent results, you need a lot(!) of modifications to the original machine. The most prominent: The Z-axis. It is way to weak. It however is quite good for what it was designed for: Wood.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 2 года назад
Yeah, it's not a very sturdy machine, it is best for cutting soft materials like wood or plastic. I have been able to do some aluminum parts, but it takes forever. In my experience the best option for small aluminum parts is to contact some local machine shops. They can make small parts for you for $60-$100, give much better results, and save you a while lot of time.
@dekurvajo
@dekurvajo 2 года назад
Actually they do advertise it for soft metals.
@StefanFendt
@StefanFendt 2 года назад
@@dekurvajo No, not at all. These machines are advertised for engraving wood and plastics.
@marksierra3522
@marksierra3522 Год назад
Because we wanna cnc metal on the low low. Like $150 low low.
@SuperAnimal1970
@SuperAnimal1970 3 года назад
Aluminium........
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
Ulumunum. But really, I need a spell-check plugin for Microsoft Paint.
@johanbraanen2108
@johanbraanen2108 3 года назад
There are two correct spellings.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
@@johanbraanen2108 true, but I missed both of them 😢
@SuperAnimal1970
@SuperAnimal1970 3 года назад
@@johanbraanen2108 nop Aluminum Foil was the name of a specific foil product, Aluminium is the material.
@TheDIMONART
@TheDIMONART 3 года назад
Hi, your Genmitzu have 10mm linear rods? Or 12mm?
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
10mm linear rods, 8mm for the threaded rod s
@RaulGerardoHuertasPaiva
@RaulGerardoHuertasPaiva Год назад
You can do better XD
@squ3g
@squ3g 2 года назад
You need to use a 30in/min feed rate, 3k rpm on your motor, and only go down + G1 Z-0.001 each cycle. This has Many Benefits - Drill bits only scratch the surface each run. - Each run is quieter - Bits don't get hot - Bits don't create large burrs. and thus don't catch, tear and pull - Less Vibration and thus less damaged to the 3018 Because your feed rate is so high, you will cycle through a run every minute. But with very little maintenance. Come back when its done.
@Major00Tom
@Major00Tom 4 года назад
It's true that a 3018 is not powerful enough for cutting metal, but doesn't seem to be a bad tool for making very precise paths that can be later finished with regular powered hand tools.
@Q5Grafx
@Q5Grafx 4 года назад
it can be with the right mods. the first thing to do is get rid of the spindle and then all the plastic junk on it.
@steilkurbler4973
@steilkurbler4973 4 года назад
@@Q5Grafx have you done it? I am considering this
@MCircuits
@MCircuits 3 года назад
The problem...is that the bed is flexing downwards when the bit touches the material being CUT. They linear rod guide must be replaced with RAIL GUIDE and dispose that ROD GUIDE. My DIY CNC can cut aluminum sheet of 3mm thick and that is my problem. I am just waiting for my budget for those RAIL GUIDE for the Y axis. plus that motor sucks the 775 motor is not capable of more than 12000 rpm. at least 18000 to 20000 is needed for aluminum to cut it. Crappy 3018..LOL
@Sam-ch4jh
@Sam-ch4jh 3 года назад
Guys, these are all cheat Just try to shake the spindle by hand up and down You will notice lot of shake due to lack of stiffness in linear rods It cannot cut aluminium
@alexgoldman2569
@alexgoldman2569 2 года назад
MORE OIL keep reaplying when it gets dry! i did 100 mm/m and 50 for plunge and 0.2, the edges are bured alot but it cut
@JohnDoe-um8rz
@JohnDoe-um8rz 8 месяцев назад
what bit did you use for those specs
@DonnyHooterHoot
@DonnyHooterHoot 3 года назад
These smaller cnc's state that they are not really made for metal. It's pushing the boundaries of the unit. Maybe the beefier spindle would help?
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
Yeah, next time I have some metal parts to make I'm going to try using my Dremel as a spindle. Teaching Tech just did a video with all the instructions on how to do it, so I'll follow that.
4 года назад
If you look at the videos online you'll see that it cannot cut thick aluminum
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
That won't stop me from trying!
@robtsou
@robtsou 3 года назад
That bit you're using doesn't look like an endmill, it looks like a rotozip bit. I think you might get better results using a better bit. I read down below that you're using a carbide tipped bit. You'll want to use HSS. Carbide won't cut as well in this machine.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
Thanks for the tip. In the video I was using a cheap HSS bit that I had laying around. I switched to a smaller diameter carbide bit with 4 flutes instead of 2 and have been getting better results.
@idiotburns
@idiotburns 2 года назад
@@NathanBuildsRobots make of video of the improved results
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 2 года назад
@@idiotburns ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zCBXPMnI4_s.html It's a pretty short video
@OGmolton1
@OGmolton1 3 года назад
cool video, do you know exactly what the step down and feed rates were at in your tests? I want to try to cut some 1/4" aluminum with like a 1 or 2mm end mill and one of these bad boys, I was thinking about like .5mm-1mm step down at a 100mm per minute. Sounds slow but I'm thinking it might do a good job that way.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
Feed rate was 25mm/s. At 100mm/s the spindle motor would stall under the load. Teaching Tech has a recent video where he put a Dremel on his 3018 and was running at 200mm/s, might be worth checking out. I have another video where I showed all the speed and feeds settings in Fusion 360. It should answer all of your questions about feed rates. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6CDNU3RCeTQ.html
@JoePCP
@JoePCP 3 года назад
If you want to cut aluminium on a machine like this you have to make very light passes. Think more like .1mm not .5 and certainly not 1mm, your spindle is not strong enough and your machine is not rigid enough. The part shown being made here is simply scrap metal.
@NathanBuildsRobots
@NathanBuildsRobots 3 года назад
Lol tellin' it to me straight. This was my first attempt at any CNC machining, aside from some wood parts I cut out years ago. You'll be pleased to know that I have improved my craft a bit and did another video with parts that turned out much better.
@dieterkrause1674
@dieterkrause1674 2 года назад
@@NathanBuildsRobots 25 mm/sec???? That is craisy😗
@curtisnewton895
@curtisnewton895 3 года назад
lol what a mess
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