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Machining Brass-tipped Lockscrews for my Lathe Spider Upgrade 

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Upgrading my trusty lathe headstock spider for long square and rectangular stock in addition to round and hex. Machining brass-tipped stainless steel screws using my large Lantern Chuck.
My lathe headstock spider has three screws, which makes it good for hex bar and OK for round bar, but by adding three new M8 threaded holes at 90 degree intervals allows me to grip square, rectangular and round metal bars with four screws - without losing the facility to grip hex bar.
I needed to machine an extra M8 brass-tipped clamp screw, so I turned a suitable pad on my Colchester metal lathe with a spigot with an interference fit into a hole in the end of the bolt.
Whipping accident video (no injuries, just terrifying) here:
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00:00 Why I need to upgrade
01:00 Custom collet
03:51 Screw mods
05:46 Brass pad
09:50 Extra holes

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@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
It's great to get all the very constructive comments from you lovely people about alternative ways to do stuff and pointing out things that even AIMEE missed. At this rate, I'll be half-competent in maybe five years time... OK then, ten years.
@webostar2102
@webostar2102 2 года назад
Wonderful stuff as always. I'm what you'd call a young pup in the machining world. I cannot get enough of the DIY fixturing. You make it look so easy. To add to that, as an American machinist, it is actually quite relaxing to watch others use Metric. No fussing around with long decimals.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'm pretty much metricated, but I have a full set of inch micrometers, depth mics, calipers and a fair number of inch drills, reamers, mills and taps and dies for Whitworth, BSF, BA, BSP, UNF and UNC threads. Takes almost twice the space, but then so much microwave gear has Imperial threads or is specified in inches that you have to be bilingual.
@webostar2102
@webostar2102 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves if everything would just be metric, the world would be much simpler. I appreciate what goes into your content, and I look up to you as a machinist. I knew from the beginning that knowing how to use manual machines and old timer tricks would be incredibly important. All the "dirty little hacks" as I like to call them. CNC is wonderful, but I love being able to say I made it by hand.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 2 года назад
I've haven't heard anyone use the term "jollop" for many many years.... thanks you for keeping "my language" alive.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
AIMEE can't get the pronunciation correct. She either says jollep or jollip. If I add an extra "p" she says is Joll-opp. I wish the Google TTS engine would understand diacritics. I could get her to speak in a Barnsley or Burnley or Branston accent then.
@ehamster
@ehamster 2 года назад
‘Jolop’ gets pretty close.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@ehamster So it does! Thanks!
@Fortnite_pro-xbox.
@Fortnite_pro-xbox. 2 года назад
Honestly the sound effects pair beautifully with the information you provide with your work without having to waste your breath.. lol
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'm inspired by a Japanese RU-vidr whose channel name I forget, his sound design is absolutely stunning. Every little ting and tap is beautifully recorded and the whole of his soundscape is as well curated and produced as the images. I don't think I could emulate his work without serious work on putting absorbent material on the walls and ceiling or at least doing assembly work in a sound-stage. It is a joy to watch and listen to his work though. Must find the channel name....
@markamy357
@markamy357 2 года назад
Ah, you have a decent cordless angle grinder, you are a happy man.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
If I was brave, I'd find a way to mount it in on the toolpost and use it to grind helical gears! I killed too many Makita tools and it was a toss-up between DeWalt and Milwaukee. I decided the DeWalts would clash horribly with the yellow trim of my John Deere lawn tractor, so Milwaukee got my dollars. I am SUCH a fashion victim...
@generaldisarray
@generaldisarray 2 года назад
5:28 Giggity Giggity Goo...🤣🤣🤣 Excellent work as always!!!
@ehamster
@ehamster 2 года назад
When I was at school a boy decided to hold/support a wobbling bar that was poking out of the spindle of the Colchester Student (lathe, not boy ;-). It grabbed his brown coat and wrapped him around the bar very quickly. Fortunately the operator was on the ball and hit the brake quickly, so no lasting damage was done other than to the grabee’s undercrackers.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Oh good grief, it's amazing that there were so few deaths and maimings in school metalwork class. We had a forge, oxy-acetylene welders and flame cutters, lots of big machines, presses, concentrated acid, Trichloroethylene, Carbon tetrachloride, aluminium casting and molten lead. I wanted to do Chemistry, so I couldn't do metalwork, they said. Forced me to do instead, so I deliberately failed all the exams to ruin that teacher's performance stats. Thing is though, I really enjoy as an adult.
@cogentdynamics
@cogentdynamics Год назад
Very nicely put together video. The clamp system you used for your spider was bells for me as I have a Royal collet closer and the adapter has and interrupted and hardened OD. I’m going to make one. Thanks!
@willhook3689
@willhook3689 2 года назад
I love you're editing. all the details are quite funny
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'm *such* a beginner at this. One day I'll be able to do editing like a Proper RU-vidrs. Probably in five years at my current rate of progress!
@jeffjefferson2676
@jeffjefferson2676 2 года назад
And now you can make accurate gunbarrels... :P Greetings, Jeff
@philiprogers5772
@philiprogers5772 2 года назад
wow!!! A lantern chuck!!! So there is a way to hold a bolt by the head end!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
There are lots of variants of lantern chucks, mainly for watch and clock making. usually the body has the openings and the threaded section is a piston or a collar that pushes a sliding anvil. They've been around for a very long time, mightily useful tools.
@ryebis
@ryebis 2 года назад
Hobby machinist ?! You're a pro.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Heh heh, if I had to earn a living trying to be a REAL machinist, I'd starve pretty quickly. I think I'd better stick to being a cybersecurity architect and producer of silly noises.
@ryebis
@ryebis 2 года назад
​@@MachiningandMicrowaves Unless you own a small business building high margin prototypes with regular stream of work, most machining jobs these days pay like $20 an hour for pushing buttons. No thanks, IT jobs during the day and machining at night is the way to go.
@Alex-wd9gu
@Alex-wd9gu 2 года назад
I used to struggle with interrupted cuts on sqaure bar untill I bought it in it's round form first
@wpowerwagon
@wpowerwagon 2 года назад
U make some cool stuff, and thanks again for your thoughts and great videos
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'm having a lot of fun messing about in the machine shop and microwave lab. Thanks so much for watching!
@murraypearson2359
@murraypearson2359 2 года назад
Clearance is clearance, AIMEE!
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 2 года назад
That all looks good. There is another use for a rear end spider, no euphemism to be assumed or intended, they are used for example when threading rifle barrels. You set up normally in 4 jaw and also in the rear 4 jaw to ensure everything is running true. Not that i ever do such things myself.😉
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
That's very interesting. I suspect I'll be using it for when I'm squaring the flanges on waveguides and coaxial resonators so they don't droop or oscillate.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Also, I could consider threading the barrel and making a moderator for the Weihrauch .22 air rifle that I use to "persuade" rats not to eat the bird seed.
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves my problem is with those creatures and my badger's food but that is why we have 5 cats, although unfortunately came without the relevant lines in the instruction code.
@smash5967
@smash5967 2 года назад
How do you get that satisfying popping sound when parting off? All I ever get is the dink of my part getting lost in the chip tray.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
The trick is marinating the inserts in Tabasco Sauce for two days.
@Halinspark
@Halinspark 2 года назад
For the 90° holes, if you have a suitably long drill, you could punch through and drill opposing holes in one go. Even if you only had one size that length, it would make locating easier since youd get them all placed in 2 passes. Alternately, a square collet block like This Old Tony uses.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I wasn't convinced that I'd get anywhere close using a long drill, there would be 40 mm unsupported and unless I drilled most or all of the top hole using a stiff stub drill, I'd be reliant on that long drill to centre itself in the pilot. Then even if the top hole was on axis, I'd have to drill the bottom hole at full size in steel into a curved surface. It would probably be fine though, as you say, and I could have used a pin through the first hole to set it horizontal and not do any measuring beyond centering the existing first hole. Using a centre drill on a scribed line was pretty accurate, although I'm sure I could have done it better if I'd used a squared mandrel locked into the spider. I could have machined up a mandrel to fit into a collet block, but it would have to hang out the end of the vice. I'd also have to use a jack or second collet block if I wanted to get a sufficiently stiff grip on the block in the vice to prevent it rotating upwards if the drill grabbed. I snapped an 8.5 mm stub drill when that happened. I have a machinist's jack under the workpiece but that was no help when it pulled upwards. Now I always use a second block at the far end of the vice. My collet blocks are ER40, but the bodies are 2 inch I think, not really butch enough for this lump of steel. I almost talked myself into putting it into the chuck on my rotary table. As it was, the first bit of metal I found in the scrap box was a decent enough fit to clamp beyond the slit very very solidly, and I could aim well enough at the (invisible on camera) scribed lines with a centre drill. Perhaps I'd have done it differently if that scrap wasn't available.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 2 года назад
To think, so many people who don't know the joy of murderous vermiforms.
@dandeeteeyem2170
@dandeeteeyem2170 2 года назад
Bizarre, I was watching your last video with the square stock and I was wondering about this very issue 😁 keep up the excellent work mate, nice to see someone go through the fine details when it comes to accuracy 👍I'll send a link to some radio freaks I know, they'll love this channel!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I did the same to the Spider Mandrel so I could hold some square hollow section steel. It only works if the threaded holes don't overlap too much. Next few videos will be a bit more radio-centric, although of course, it'll be Very Esoteric Radio, because I don't really do Ordinary
@dandeeteeyem2170
@dandeeteeyem2170 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves 😁 looking forward to the next episode 👍
@agoogleaccount2861
@agoogleaccount2861 2 года назад
I forget what they're called but you can buy screws with roller balls in the tips they're used in machine jigs.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Now there's an interesting thought! Ball transfer units perhaps? Threaded inserts with rolling balls in the tip: ball-transfer-units.com/with-bolt-c-7.html and there are similar things with spring-loaded ball plungers for detents and for things that are not entirely smooth. There is a similar sort of thing used in microswitch actuators, and of course in better-quality steady-rests, but they use cylindrical rollers, much like this Starrett indicator tip www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/25W
@agoogleaccount2861
@agoogleaccount2861 2 года назад
We use them to put uniform force on a flat part with a dimple or hold to control hole location while doing something to it of make a jig. " Click in " to keep it's location on the machine table the same during retooling and or to stabilize machine tables as a dampener they come with different spring strengths available and even with special non metal and non ferrous tips. They'll improve your inexpensive cross slide vice greatly btw. Amazon has them last time I looked I called them "roller ball set screws" or grub screws on there. It's just a grub screw with a strong spring. Depends on how strong you bought .. and a roller ball retained in the tip that is arranged to collapse in at a certain amount of force locking when tightened but a roller lock when looser. You could probably make some yourself. But staking in the spring loaded balls yourself without a fixture will be a ba****rd . I'm sure. There's also a variation with a spring and plunger instead of a ball
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'd cheat and fit them from below and use a plug or setscrew to seal the thing in, but simpler to buy for the times I need them. One application is for a horizontal/vertical polarisation selector, with a ball detent at 0/90/180/270 degrees. Excellent tip, thanks
@alexanderthrasher923
@alexanderthrasher923 2 года назад
Do you remove the lockscrews when you have a bowed piece of material? (If thats something you work with). Love your commentary, another great video!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
There's always a worry with anything banana-shaped that it could get flung outwards and cause a thrashing accident. I had to do cut a thread on a 1 inch diameter steel bar that was bent, but the bend started about 15 inches from the end, and it fitted into the headstock tube, but was almost touching the edge of the spider. I lined it up as best I could, then tightened the screws to hold it in the offset position. The end of the bar was about 4 inches out of true. I tried running it slowly and gradually increased until I felt uncomfortable going any further. I think that was 130 rpm. It turned OK at that speed and the lathe didn't leap about. I did the single-point thread a little slower in small increments and it worked OK, although the surface finish wasn't brilliant, but it was unleaded mild steel. The bar was too long to fit into my hydraulic press because it's show-horned into a small gap with almost no space either end. I did wonder about going all Keith Fenner on it with making hotspots and quenching them, and I tried using a cheater bar, but that just moved my very heavy bench. Anyway, it worked OK, but I wouldn't recommend it. I have an upcoming job where I need to do something similar and cut a 9 inch long thread on some 1 inch bar that's too long to fit out of the back of the headstock, so I'm going to use a core drill to make a hole in the outside wall and fit a liner and plate with a small cat's head and steady rest. The bar will poke out about 2ft beyond the wall of my 1850's brick-built barn. Guarding will be provided by a dense holly bush growing against the wall. That should make for an amusing video when it happens...
@andybonneau9209
@andybonneau9209 2 года назад
Nice sound effects. Very entertaining. How do you put up with all of that robo-nagging? Pull her battery. 😁
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
She is always 100% right though. 20/20 hindsight also.
@andybonneau9209
@andybonneau9209 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Being constantly right makes it that much worse!
@DawidKellerman
@DawidKellerman 2 года назад
Hobby bodger you say :D Luckily you caught that brass bolt piece if it went in to the chip tray You'd have to make another ! Retrieval would definitely be too dangerous.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Chainmail gloves, body armour, spread the chips out on a giant tarpaulin and use a camera drone to search for the missing piece. Not good if it's dark or raining or windy, obvs. Lucky I caught it!
@icebluscorpion
@icebluscorpion 2 года назад
Nils tell your assistant that that wasn't rubbish planing but Machine porn at its finest performed instead 😎👌. Keep it up that satisfying lathe work. You are a Virtuoso. Of building music instruments that make beautiful melodies in the GHz region. 😍 Sometimes i would love to be able to hear in the frequency region 😛
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I measured that distance VERY precisely in advance just so AIMEE could say that it was bad planning. I think if you could hear at GHz it would probably sound like a faster version of this classic: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ckc6XSSh52w.html
@icebluscorpion
@icebluscorpion 2 года назад
@Machining and Microwaves thanks for the link I just love the sound of that it's so melodic and relaxing☺️😍. I also love the high-pitched humming of 50kv transformer from old CRT screens😍, or the deep 50hz humming of the 20kVA three phase transformer from the Lokal "Umspannwerk". I also love when they disconnect it from the grind from time to time and huge banging Arcs shoot from the connectors when they open the circuit. It's so electrifying exciting 🥰. Also that's the reason why I have written machin porn at its finest, because of the precise measurements and smooth execution. Girls will never understand that even AIMEE 😉
@jobkneppers
@jobkneppers 2 года назад
Dear "machines and microwaves" I enjoyed a lot of your videos by now. In this one I felt I could help a little with a comment. A few things; an edgefinder is an accurate tool to find an edge. If you do it right you can repeat within 0,01 mm. By right I also mean the spindle speed which should be around 600 rpm. Looking at your footage I noticed your spindle speed seems much higher and the spring is extended too much. During my education I saw fellow students ruin the springs this way. Putting a new one in can be quite fiddly.. Maybe this helps you somewhat. All the best, Job
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
The comment was aimed at someone who moaned that I would "only" be able to get the thing centred to within 0.015 mm using an edge finder and I should be using a DTI on the spindle. I normally run the 10 mm diameter ones at 800 and the 6/4 mm ones at about 1300, but with the camera setup, I can't reach the speed control on the VFD and the cones on the Bridgeport stick if I drop the varispeed ratio lower than 1200 rpm and I have to mess about with a bit of wood and a mallet to get them unstuck. I really need to strip out the cones and replace the liners or at least finish building the VFD speed control into the pendant enclosure that's been sitting in the project box for a year! I prefer using my Haimer for edge finding because it's easier to take out the backlash on the leadscrew than with a rotary finder. I really must get that VFD pendant finished so I can do electronic braking, jog and reverse as well as variable speed
@jobkneppers
@jobkneppers 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Thanks for your answer. If you use a DRO the backlash is no problem for center findin between two sides. I'm not sure if you use one. Otherwise it's calculating and shifting your zero accordingly. But you know how that works. Thank you for al of your nice uploads with great comments. Best, Job
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@jobkneppers I have a Newall DRO on the mill, but I don't trust it enough for repeatability unless the leadscrew preload is in the "right" direction. I should do some tests with milling blocks after centering using the edge finder and the Haimer to see if the precision is affected. It's that final 10 micrometres that I want to chase down.
@JarppaGuru
@JarppaGuru 2 года назад
3:18 thats more than paper thickness LOL
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
As good as a mile. (Also entirely premeditated so AIMEE could throw some shade and snark, obvs)
@Strothy2
@Strothy2 2 года назад
It's late, what the video was about wasn't what I was picturing in my head when I read headstock spider. More along the lines of an oil-loving arachnoid living in there, waiting for you to change the oil and then crawling out to scare the living shit out of you... time for some sleep...
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Now I'm worried that The Scuttling Things might be living inside the headstock tube, living on cutting oil and metal chips. ooo-er...
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