"people love the 4bt" "I wonder how many people bought a NEW one" Well... maybe if you offered it in a consumer vehicle instead of bread trucks and generators, people would buy them. Kind of hard to buy a new one when they aren't exactly manufactured anymore.
Not going to happen, diesel engines are built differently than gas engines, LS3 is a 6.2 liter V8 and weighs about 403 lbs, the R2.8 Cummins weighs 500 lbs and is roughly about the same size
If you want to sell crate engines, make a reasonably priced bolt-in replacement for a small block Chevy. Even if it won't directly fit every vehicle, someone makes an adapter kit for it because small block Chevy. So your engine can be made to fit practically anything.
Bierkameel - The US Government regulations at their finest.... OSHA is mostly a good thing, but can be a little bit ridiculous as evidenced by the goggles. 😄
I really wish they'd make a diesel Pony car, the younger generation would be able to daily it since diesels are reliable and get good mileage, and nowadays you can really get a good deal of power out of them. A small, cheapish 2+2 with a motor like this would perfectly fit the niche of young people who want cheap, reliable and tunable muscle they can afford to drive every day, like a spiritual successor to the first generation mustang
This motor they are showing is worth more than the car you mention lol. Cheap and diesel just do not go together like Military Intelligence, when combined the words do not make sense.
Europe is littered with diesels, from you entry level Kia Rio to your BMW 520d and your Porsche Panamera Diesels. Manual, automatic, you wanna diesel that bad, Europe has one for you. They're quite fun with the torque but slightly overrated.
That question caught the Cummin's guy flat footed. His less than firm denial/deflection makes me think that the rumor is true and Toyota will offer this engine in the next iteration of the Tundra.
yeah between the engine, management system, and transmission to handle it, youre probably poking around 20 grand USD. you can do a lot of crazy stuff to a car for that money
Work in bringing the price.down on the cummins R2.8. If they were less then 6 grand I'd would have already bought one or 2. But 9 grand is ridiculous, you know what we can get for 9 grand? The entire state of Alabama!!!! Also up the power alittle, MO power baby
I have no idea how MT is getting away with all the off-site advertising. Considering it violates the TOS. We have people just mentioning Patreon, and being de-monetized.
If cummins made a turbo diesel v8 that would physically bolt into the spot of a sbc or Ls (engine mounts and bell housing..etc), I would defiantly do a cummins swap!
fyi tpyota already have a 4.5lt twin turbo deisel called a 1vd ftv very common in Australia in thr toyota landcruiser 200 the 70 series utes (pkckup trucks) get a single turbo version
it would pass if they bothered to get it tested They will still allow import motors thousands a week would be imported this is a new designed motor only released in 2017 in its current form with a dpf exhaust and all
So Ram shied away from using this 5.0l v8 cummins in their trucks and used an Italian engine instead, while Toyota has continually resisted putting any diesel in their trucks....Nissan put one in their Titan XD, but that thing is so damn big it doesn't offer much mpg advantage over the 3/4 ton's. One of the OEM's needs to find a way to fit this thing into a reinforced/high-payload 1/2 ton...that would be money.
Toyota has had a diesel in their trucks since at least the 70s. Just not in America because no one wants/wanted them in a daily street car. It doesn't help either that for some reason the diesel version of a car is more expensive in the states when compared to europe or asia where the diesel version is cheaper. Fuel savings also kind of goes out the windows with modern diesels due to all the emissions crap. If it is a high pay load it wouldn't be a 1/2 ton. There is a lot more that goes into payload/towing than just an engine. More springs, larger axles, larger brakes, beefier frames, larger cooling systems, etc.
I know Toyota has diesel offerings for its overseas vehicles. I disagree about no one wanting diesel in Toyota's and other 4x4's in the US. Even with emissions, they offer much better torque and fuel economy over comparable gasoline engines.
Yes, there is a market but it is small in the US and for the most part not big enough and prohibitively expensive. Kind of the reason there aren't that many diesel VWs (even more so post emission scandal) I am not trying to argue against diesel vehicles. I would love it if they expanded. Americans just don't want them other than in full size 250/350s or 2500/3500s. Maybe if the GM colorado/canyon takes off it will be the start of the mid size diesels. The ecodiesel Ram wasn't really accepted.
a c Well, it's ok to be wrong, and you most certainly are. The GM 2.8 Duramax is a hit, the EcoDiesel program has been a hit, the Titan has sold specifically because of the diesel... The demand is there. Toyota won't do it. But to say the market is small in the US is completely laughable.
MoparProud, maintenance and parts are usually higher on diesels compared to gas vehicles. I think a lot of why Europeans drive diesel is due to the bigger price difference between diesel and gas. Gas being marginally higher than diesel compared to US pumps. Also, diesels being cheaper off the dealer lot, as previously mentioned, being a consideration. Is there a demand for diesel in this country? Sure. I'll most-likely stick with gas vehicles until EV's become more practical and accessible.
Im curious if a person could swap one of these 5.0s into a ford that had a 5.0 windsor. Would love to be able to say yea its got a 5.0 in it then pop the hood to one of these.
the cylinders would have to be really small for it to fit in anything modern, reasonably at least. but that would be a cool thing to see, like early racecars with those really long straight 8 engines.
As a re-motor replacement for a average, gas V8 in a typical ford/chevy/dodge 1/2 ton 4X4 pu, I'm wondering it the Cummins 3.8L (R2.8L is probably too small) might be a better option when considering power, weight, fuel efficiency and cost???? SteveSanders, thoughts??
WHY would CUMMINS NOT stick with the INLINE 6 style??? That's why Nissan didn't last with the Titans! You can't fix what's not broken 🤢ppl want the tried and TRUE 🤷♂️
BadLogan426 there was nothing wrong with the 5.9. The 5.0 cummins is crap it supposed to more fuel efficient but it requires really expensive speciality tools to work on this thing. Sure it produces 600-650 ft pounds 300hp but again hope it doesn't break
I assume you are only talking about the U.S. market because Toyota has been selling diesel powered trucks for decades in other countries around the world.
Make something that will drop straight into my "99 dodge 1/2 ton 4x4 with no upgrades to the suspension or driveline that I can afford and I'll buy it. The v6 you were working on with Daimler/Chrysler would be a better engine for daily driven light trucks than this monster. And the r2.8 is too small for a 5000 lb plus 4x4 1/2 ton.
No it's not. The 2.8 has roughly the same HP level as the stock v6 your truck could have came with but more torque plus getting better mileage. If you were making it into a rock crawler, it would be a good swap. If you want better mileage and reliability it would be wasted money. Maybe look into a 4bt with some power adders. You can get close to ~300hp and ~500tq with a bit of modding.
