It’s kinda ridiculous. Mae talks like she knows how everything was and is supposed to be, yet those ways ended 300 years ago. She never got to experience what those times were like!! Trevathan was right, earth had been the apes world for so long, that the way things were don’t apply anymore!!
Exactly plus she acts like humans were wiped out because of the apes when in fact everything happened because of humans, humans are to blame for everything that happened, the apes just saw the opportunity to replace us and took it
The conflict of the planet of the apes is tribalism, which has been dividing the world for millions of years? Ask yourself the question can apes life together with humans? Can two sentient species live in harmony? Mae failed to think about this, her being brainwashed and biased towards her species makes her think the humans should be back in control apes locked away in cages and silenced, but who is humanity to decide the apes fate? Mae tries whip out the eagle clan because she thinks they all want to destroy humanity! She does it out of what she thinks is good for the future of earth, Trevathan wasn’t necessarily right, Yes the world is now under the control of the apes, he had simply found his place in it, being a history teacher to Proximus Caesar, he did what he did out of fear, there was still hope for humanity, His teaching would lead to the ape’s downfall. Cause he taught Proximus Caesar human history, not how to learn from it, which if you don’t learn history it will always repeat its self, as they say, leading to Proximus Caesar to lead an attack against the intelligent humans, which would only lead for the apes losing because of the humans firepower!
Mae killing Trevathan was the unexpected moment I was waiting for in this film, as was the later scene of her using a gun. I appreciate how callous they made Mae in certain moments, and how symbolically loaded this action is. Mae represents the stubborn drive of humanity to continue into the future, whether or not the world remembers them, and so Trevathan, representing the submission to this new world order, is everything she fears. To her, a life under the apes spells the end of humanity, regardless of whether under Proximus or someone like the Eagle Clan, a future as nothing more than animals that she cannot accept.
We as humans have a natural instinct to not be submissive to anyone else. Mae was doing what she felt was right to her by trying to save what was left of humanity.
I mean humans can barely tolerate living with each other, what makes you think they will be so welcome in the concept of living with another species, especially one that looks like us
@@bman3794and that’s exactly our problem, we are so fkn stubborn we go to war against eachother for stupid reasons, and we want so much power that we are willing to destroy our own planet to get that power. We’re a snake eating our own tail
I like how the dainty-looking woman is the one who chokes Trevathan to death while the three chimps watch in horror. The one who looks the least beast-like behaves in the most beast-like way.
Previously, the chimpanzees thought humans were weak animals who could not speak so they did not dare to kill. After this incident, they had a different view and also recognized that the bunker was invented by humans.
everyone calling Trevathan traitor but like… how could he willingly betray his species if he didn’t know there’s still a colony of them trying to save humanity?
3:17 honestly I'd found Trevathan a very sympathetic character so far and really wanted him to survive. it was this moment i realized death was the only way out for him
"It is already their world!" I basically said it at the same time as Trevathen. The humans lost. Although after that ending, humanity may still have one last fight left on them
Trevathan's kinda tragic. He's a victim of circumstance. He's only an antagonists because Proximus found him first. Imagine if he'd been found by Raka instead? He's not of the mindset that the planet belongs to Humans anymore, so any and all knowledge he has he's willing to share. The tragic irony is that if he'd have been found by better Apes than Proximus, he'd have done more to work toward Ape and Human coexistence than Mae ever would.
I wish Kingdom of the planet of the apes dived more into Trevathan, hopefully there is like a few deleted scenes to give fans more information. There is just a lot of questions I have for this character, like where and how far was is vault or bunker? Why did he leave his vault or bunker and was he alone? Why did he make it a goal to reach the coast,what was he going to do there when he made it? What was his role in his bunker community?
I have a funny sense of relatability with Trevathan and Mae Like Mae, I know the history of my people and I’m hopeful we can recapture our former glory and get our culture thriving at full capacity again. And I know a lot of people like Trevathan. They’re not exactly traitors to our people, but they’ve simply come to accept the way things are.
I think a conflict like this would have worked better if less time than 300 years had passed since the events of Caesar's trilogy. Mae's character is interesting, but would she be so obsessed to go back to a world that not even her great-grandparents witnessed? Also, she expects Trevathan to know everything about that old world and to be on the same page as her. Sure, he can read, but he might have no clue about the past, just like the Eagle Clan had forgotten about Caesar and their origins.
Every species goes extinct sooner or later. Spending our last few hundred years trying to give the next species a running start where they avoid some of our mistakes is a pretty noble way to go out imo
She probably did feel a little remorse. But he was gonna turn her in and get her killed at the end. He was a simp for the apes and betrayed his own species
She did feel bad. You can tell by her face expression she felt remorse but as a soldier you don't rely on your feelings for judgement. She needed to stick to the plan.
I'm really curious on where Trevathan got those books and how are they in good condition after 300 years of the exposure to the elements. How does a guy just give up and quickly submit to the apes? Also I may sound like that guy but why the hell did Trevathan teach Proximus just the Roman Empire, there were other great civilizations with great skills in warfare and construction that he could have taught Proximus. I'm just saying here if I was I Trevathan's position I would have taught Proximus about the Carthaginian Empire, Aztec Empire, Inca Empire Mongol Empire, the Comanche, Apache, Vikings, etc. Mostly I would have taught Proximus how to read!!!
Proxima is more interested because it was lead by Caesar. The books might of been buried and vacuum sealed. and stockholm syndrome. But hey look at some of the comments here and look ar real life. Look at all the white liberals saying how evil they are. how the left brainwash people with self hate. look at Europe. Giving up their own country to Muslims and emphasizing how Europe colonized other countries. Ignoring the fact that Muslims did the same thing. they colonized Spain, Portugals, parts of france and Italy, and the entire Balkans and the entire black sea. They conquered and still oppress Christians in their indigenous homes. Look how they treat Armenians assyrians, and Coptics and other groups. Arab comes from Arabia. Why are they in North Africa, Israel, Syria, and Iraq. Yes , it was wrong , but people didn't understand that, because everyone else was doing it, but the solution isnt compensation, its learning from the past and not doing it again. why should france compensate North Africans , for colonizing that area. North Africa invaded southern france. Im not talking about Hannibal, I'm talking about the Moors in Spain decided to extend their hold passed Pyrenes.
i can’t see william as anything but frank and yet i see people in here not making that connection at all and referrencing othet films, or even not having heard of the actor??? insane to me but its all about perspective i suppose but yeah takes me out of the scene😂
@@danielhardman234 well clearly i do. why did you even feel the need to comment if only to be negative? you do not speak for everyone and honestly all i was saying is that he is engrained in my mind as frank and that’s all i see him as, so it’s interesting to see others who do not know him that way. and yet knowing the internet, you don’t care about this either, “i ain’t readin allat” type shit. why do people have to be so miserable and drag everyone else down with them lol it would be nice to have a decent human coversation once and awhile. not giving a fuck isn’t cool it’s sad
I don't get why she did that. All he pretty much knew is the world ruled by apes. It's like if someone came up to me and ask me to fight for the first humans who walked the earth, that was thousands and thousands of years ago (or in the movies case, 300 years ago)
I think a better comparison due to the timescale would be if someone wanted us to fight the for the spanish succession or the northern war, but either way your point still stands
