Magic Arena VS Legends Of Runeterra | Which Is The Best Deal? 

I love your sketches at the start man lol, the Tolarian ring tone is great.

Please dont script your female guests as sassy brats, this is not an insult but feedback, they are nice people ,but they present themselves too harrashly towards you at the beginning of every video, thats not empowerment but disrespect.

Thank you for having me on for this video! It was great working with you

@@davsr7789 Calm your ass Davs. You are being so f. weird

Can you do a video on layers? magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/layer-system-2009-11-05

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Damn you Seto Kaiba!

@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece screw the rules, i have money!!!

Well played comment wipe

I only purchased the $5 welcome bundle in Arena and had about 97% of each set completed over 2 years. You can get a near 100% if you are good at draft but I never needed 100%. Arena is definitely f2p you just have to put in the time like any other game.

This is correct. I’ve never made a single purchase and have made multiple meta decks. I don’t even play that often either. It makes me want to give money to Riot.

It's actually hard to buy cards in runeterra

@@joeshmoe66 The time you have to put into Arena to stay competitive is insane, though. It's definitely designed to force you to chose between paying (a huge amount of money), or playing Arena as if it was a job. That's why I stopped playing even though I was already heavily invested and already spent a lot of money on the game. It preys on the consumer in very toxic ways.

Damn that makes me not wanna play mtg arena anymore

I spent about 2 months for my first complete meta deck in MTGA (doing dailies every single day), then a new expansion dropped and my deck became trash. Talking about izzet phoenix in 2019 just before M20. I hate MTGA.

I played both a lot and: What they did not mention is the amount of time needed to do the dailies in MTGA is greater than in Runeterra. In Runeterra, you get 1 quest reroll daily stacking up to 2, and you can stack up to 3 daily quests. Meaning that If I get a quest that is somehow hard to do for my current card set, I can either reroll it instantly or do the other quests to just free space for next daily quest and with it another reroll. This allows me to mostly dodge playing rubish decks to finish quests, and if I really have to, cuz for example I missed a day or two of playing and are at a 3 daily quest cap, I just go play vs AI. In MTGA, if I get a quest for a color pairing I don't have, and reroll it into another I don't, I am stuck with that quest until I get another reroll or I have to make up some mockup deck to not miss on tommorow's quest. I think in Arena you could stack up to 2 quests thou. Also there are no bans in Runeterra. No card was ever banned, cards were either nerfed, buffed or rarerly reworked. Also sometimes a Card was nerfed too hard, and they buffed it back. It happened to Shen for example, where he went from 4 mana 2/6, to 4 mana 2/5, to 4 mana 3/5 and he is in a better place now than he ever was. Although the meta doesn't favor him much right now you can still play him and do well. I even had just 1 good deck in MTGA and it was Marduu Knights. It was tough to get another. In runeterra, I had already a deck or two, and when I saw another, I crafted few cards from my shards and had it already. In fact, I have did this few times and now I got lots of decks ready to play. The only limiting factor are champions but you still get tons of them from the weekly vault. I think they didn't mention the weekly reward vault enough thou.

I got incredibly lucky in draft and managed to get an amazing dimir rougue/mill deck ultra cheap after my first month (i know, i know, i feel dirty every time i play it but it lets me grind 15 wins real quick because people just concede, everyone hates playing against this shitty deck, myself included) but that is waaaay outside the norm

@@DayOfCasual "In MTGA, if I get a quest for a color pairing I don't have..." Impossible. You get complete decks of every color and color pairing in MTGA. If you are only trying to complete the quest, you don't need a tier-one deck, or ever a tier-three deck.

@@BrotherAlpha While that's true, it makes completing these quests a royal pain in the ass, cause you will lose a lot. The starter decks suck.

It's the only card game I've played that you can easily play meta decks for free

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We need to add additional zeros to the price.

Don't forget battle pas and Limited

@@yoav.kats6328 Wizards: "Also make sure to have Gems AND Gold so we can add confusion to how much something is worth. Then make sure that the amount of gems you can buy is NEVER equal to the amount of gems something costs to buy."

EA: make them pay to look.

also it's important that the cosmetics are shitty low effort pieces, sometimes down right annoying with the whining ghost dog that has to be muted

This. End of conversation

ikr? also in gwent it took me one week to build the best deck in the meta fully transmuted as well

Too generous for greedy businessman at Hasbro

@@diamonddog0016 i didn't play beta at all, but even if it did become greedier, it is nothing compared to magic areeeeena

@@diamonddog0016 maybe a little bit but it could also be that it is divided into different subsystems which gives that feeling, also there are more cards so that slows progression

It took us so long to finalize this video that both the Spirit Blossom and KDA events happened while we were making it.

SIdeboarding, and better spells. It depresses me that control decks are mostly units.

@@Kool212 the game doesn't need sideboards

@@Kool212 When the time comes when we can build full control decks where majority of the deck are good spells is the day Ezreal is gonna have to be completely reworked cause a nerf wouldn't be simple enough to stop that level of burn he will do, and he's really edging it close to that as it is.

@@SleepyNubis There is plenty of space for him to be nerfed and still functional. Though I’m fine with one card getting reworked to enlarge the available card pool.

@@Kool212 As much as I love control, I believe that the most objectively fun thing in Magic is midrange vs midrange, and Runeterra is designed so in some form or another, that is always the case. It's life draft, there's only control-y midrange, not control. There's no aggro, only faster midrange. It's amazing.

Fully agreed, and the clone matches are even fun.

You explained that perfectly, holly shit. Same happens with battlepases in other games; once I complete it I lose interest in the game.

I'd argue that the game should be fun to play in and of itself, and that it should be the driving force of a player's enjoyment beyond the deckbuilding. So while a player might not have anything to work towards anymore as far as a personal collection goes once they've completed their collection, there's still a reason to play the game, to want to experience the game itself. I don't deny that plenty of the fun in a constructed card game comes from building the deck itself. That's perfectly fine, it's a good thing, people _should_ have fun planning out what they want to make, building a deck to do something cool. But I get worried when talk shifts to something that seems as though the game itself is secondary. If players aren't interested in playing the game as much as they are in just theory crafting, then I see that as a bad sign of the game's gameplay.

@@Shenaldrac That's because no matter How good a game is, It won't matter If you aren able to fully experience it. And LoR let's ALL it's players get the most out of It. The game being good or not is subjective: HS players may deslike the lack of crazy RNG, or how priority alternates all the time; MtG players may miss the complexity that an older game has compared to a game that's in it's third set; LoR players will appreciate spell mana and the turn structure (I mean, the game has a 50/50 winrate for going First/second). You can't say that they are right or wrong, but game economy can be put on numbers and it's hard to deny LoR has the best economy for their players.

Ahh its so unfun to not be forced to pay or grind to have good deck. Its nealry painful ): Rito fix game

Meanwhile on Arena: If you can't grind 'em, you won't find 'em.

I played lor since its release and have all the cards but never got into masters 😢

@@dimaskhadafi2226 just gotta pick a deck you like and learn it's win conditions

I urge you to give it a try and maybe watch a few videos of matches online, the game sseems simple at first it actually has quite a lot of depth and awesome interactions that are fun to work out.

Yeah it's gameplay is a bit odd and is sort of a mix between the Elder Scrolls TCG that flop a little while ago and The Witcher card game. There's so much weirdness going on in that card game mechanically that I'm not quite used to it but that doesn't mean that the online system is bad it's amazing and I wish that I could play it more but it mechanically is so funky that it is not connecting with me

@Dale Macarena sounds like your internet and data sucked

I didn’t think I’d play it either - not a fan of league and I’ve been playing MTG since I was a kid. But on a whim I decided to give it a go and I’ve been blown away by how good it is. I honestly think it is the best competitive digital card game I’ve played by a pretty decent margin. It’s a shame the game isn’t more popular b/c it is so fun, well designed, and doesn’t break the bank.

@Dale Macarena not saying it isn’t popular at all, I just said it’s a shame the game isn’t *more* popular.

This comment is what I needed to stop there. Thank you.

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I feel that way too, tried LoR but It's missing a little something in order to fully retain my attention. Hope it gets better, I really wish I could have the same fun playing runeterra that I get playing mtg.

Its a new game, still has so much strategies to add.

The problem is not that "it's not Magic". I have played a lot of CCGs apart from MTG. Runeterra stands out in terms of questionable gameplay decisions (like their priority system and a battlefield limited to 6 permanents with no interesting positional mechanics to speak of unlike some other CCGs), and in terms of a very tacky and invasive visual style (those champion level up animations are absolutely atrocious and cannot be turned off). That game has some very objective problems that are the reason why it isn't as popular as it could (probably) be.

@@ivanivanovich1020 Positioning in LOR is pretty important though. Best example is how you always make Darius hit last. Or how in Shadow Isles decks you position the order of how your units should die (As some cards earn stats after seeing an ally die or a champion level up in combat). I also like the priority system, as mixed with the mana system, bluffing becomes pretty prevalent in higher elos. Playing cards, fast spells or slow spells passes priority; So you either open attack or wait for your opponent to spend their mana (With the risk of them developing their board) or Open attack (Which leaves your opponent with mana for combat tricks).

@@boxtupos7718 All of these count as minor positional synergies at best compared to other card games in my book. Say, in MMDOC about 80% of spells and all creature combat were completely dictated by the positioning of your cards. In IW most spells and creature positioning involved mindgames about which zone the relevant card will end up in, and in which order, by the time it resolves or combat happens. On top of, you know, having literal simultaneous turns.

hahahahahahhahaha

@@eightywight it isnt about greed at all. riot is also a greedy company charging 100$+ dollars for a single skin bundle in valorant. they believe they will make more money making this game cheap to play which is the module they employ in lol (i think).

@@swiftdragonrider but for casual players, that's the draw. In 10 years of league, I've spent less than 400 dollars. Within HOURS of playing arena, I needed to either commit to playing for 12 hours or pay out. I uninstalled. Runeterra tho, I play about an hour a day and do decent in competition ( I wipe people in norms)

@@MutleeIsTheAntiGod I don't think you understand my point. I am aware that lor is FTP I just finished a match in plat I just think it is dumb to say wotc greedy or wotc bad or lor benevolent and good. They are a business that tries to make money and that is it.

@@swiftdragonrider I got what you mean, but that's my point is that as a casual player, people will look towards the cheaper, easier, more enjoyable option

@@swiftdragonrider your point is both convoluted and dumb. You don't need playmat and sleeves to play digital MTG right? this is just line of code they don't need protection or what so ever, but you need card to play to craft deck jank or competitive. This is not about who is a saint this is about which is more users friendly. In runterra you cant get full collection to play with, make silly deck to play with friend or take their shots against the top dog with minimal time/ money investment some think Arena is poor at. And you don't even have to take my point for it just look how many people quit arena as soon as lor came out, some people are just not hardcore grinder gamer dudes.

It's fun.

@@dreamwalking Fun is subjective. I dislike how the turns play out.

@@ferocis2255 Are you accusing my reply of not being subjective.

@@dreamwalking Nope, I was just saying in general. You can think its fun and others can't. I love the economic model but I can't get immersed in the gameplay then again i'm struggling to enjoy any card game anymore. I watch the channel for nostalgia I guess.

I stopped playing Arena for Runeterra.

@@sethchapman1425 same, to bad i dropped 100 on arena to build a deck that got banned out.....

@@sonicdueler I didn't drop that much. I also realized if you didn't have ways of doing draft or good decks. You were never going to get out of the slow grind. Yeah the ban on after buying would suck.

is this for real? Holy shit, finally.

Yeah for like 3 mobile CPUs 🤣

@@HolyAvgr My advice, wear heat resistant gloves... Oh... Wait... Those may not work with modern touch screens, CRAP!!! Do it at your own risk.

for like 3 phones

The pc version is buggy enough as it is. Also every set release day is full of problems so releasing the mobile version on the same day seems stupid.

You are literally the only person I've seen who made the right critique. The users are all "the economy! the economy!" as if it was such a big fucking deal, when the actual deal is the shit experience MTGA offers as a service. Shitty friends / dueling UI/UX. Shitty and unclear ranked system (Getting from bronze to gold is virtually the same, since you gain so much more than you lose, *if* you are on a tier that even loses something). No mobile client (in 2020, during a pandemic...). Lackluster profile info (to the point where add ons focus literally on that. I can't believe you can't have a deck-winrate). I appreciate _a lot_ of what MTGA does for the experience and how to streamline it (autopay comes to mind), but goddamn how do you even design for "f2p" without key multiplayer experiences that make it easy to come back to. LoR is, imho, a shitty, shallow, lackluster game (kinda like early YuGiOh ... or modern YuGioh, really) that's more dead than alive not 1 year after release. No economic advantage is gonna fix that. But damn, playing magic, online, is basically making a pick between shitty UI/UX MTGO and shitty and underdeveloped UX MTGA.

It's unfortunate that they pretty much stagnated in features aside from adding Brawl.

@@HolyAvgr Your LoR opinion is MEGA cap.

@@HolyAvgr I agree with almost all that you said but mobile/Mac versions should be as low priority as possible. Pandemic doesn't make it easier to play on your phone, you are stuck in your house either way so use your PC:P those versions are important strictly from business stand point as they increase users and possible customers. They should on the other hand focus on PC client, profiling, stats, friendlist/deck sharing, better competetive model. Instead we got new portraits and small creatures that makes sounds when we play cards:P

It's just a magic simulator. The reason I've stopped playing newer yugioh games is because that's all they are - card game simulators without anything else to enhance the gameplay. For that, I can play the fan-made YGOPro. Whereas before, we had games like Tag Force, where you had an actual story to beat, some role playing and dating sim aspects, etc. Magic Arena is just a shittier version of the paper card game, and that's a shame because it could be so much more.

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@@MrBe56 no way that "thing" looks like a plastic banana. it can in no way be akin to my glass rectangle.

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@Dale Macarena its arena format in magic the gathering. Drafting a deck from an expansion.

Thanks so much!!

It's the fact it is tied in with "League of Legends" which is arguably filled with the most cancerous community imaginable. It's nothing like League but the fact it carries that title of "The League of Legends card game" it makes a lot of people turned off by it.

@@klutzmtg2310 Honestly the community is good for the most part. Know many games (often times magic even) that are filled more with salt and toxicity when talking competetive.

Riot has always been player friendly

@@alejandrovallejo6763 a shame they aren't developper friendly

I just play brawl and cube. Literally have not play a game of standard in over half a year. Just need permanent historic brawl now

@@theHeavyMetalHermit I remember being super confused when I tried to play my Gitrog Brawl deck and it was illegal, then realised historic brawl was a thing and I couldn't play my fave brawl decks whenever I wanted. Like, why?? Also I enjoy cube but don't enjoy taking the risk of losing all my coins to it, why? because the economy sucks and i need all the coins i can get lmao

As shit as Arena is, Runeterra just doesn’t come close to scratching the itch that MtG does for me. I want to like it so bad, but every experience I’ve had with it has just been meh.

@@SengokuTheGouda Honestly, I'll take "meh" over the absolute rage I feel every time I see mana flooding in my opening hand. I don't think that any other game on this world has made me angrier than MTG.

@@crepooscul I feel like the double faced modal lands have gone a long way in helping with mana issue. Also, I pretty much only play best of 3 to avoid bad streaks on ladder.

LoR is the same tho when it comes to this, you also get 1 per day and can stack up to 3, but you get a reroll everyday on top of it and can stack up to 2 rerolls. Tho missing out on daily challenges in LoR isn't nearly as punishing as in Arena since there are so many other ways to get free cards in LoR.

Think I'm going to give LoR a go, I too burned out on Arena, I still love MTG in paper but as my LGS is closed atm as here in the UK we are back in full lockdown I can't play paper. Hasn't stopped me from buying paper cards in lockdown haha.

Agree

How'd it go?

@@noox13 It's an awesome game MTG-lite I'd call it

@@arenkai Fair enough, lol.

For a sense of pride and accomplishment /s

stockholmes syndrome

You enjoy playing Standard /Historic And a lot of disposable income / time.

You love magic and can't play face to face, probably

@@felipepizarromardones5648 Pretty much this. I realised im not even hyped for Kaldheim, since I am out of touch with magic since the full move to digital.

Thank god Magic doesn't do that. *quietly hides Companions under the bed*

Well yugioh is like playing solitaire these days. Since most duels using meta decks don’t make it passed the first turn. It’s basically a single player TCG in denial.

@@namenotfound8747 That's not true, but okay.

yea it took me a long time to understand lor because it is so different from the other card games I played.

Yeah this is where I'm at. I came into this video basically knowing what the end would be, but MTG is just the game I have more fun with. Maybe it's not having to build around a champion, but I'm not sure. MTG just feels better.

I'd enjoy MTG so much more, if it didn't have the ridiculous mana flood/lack of mana issues. I understand it can't be any other way due to how mana has to interact with the different colors, but it's just infuriating.

A few times lmao

I agree. Magic is the best game IMO and Arena is the cheepst outlet by alot

I got 3 Champions in my last weekly vault in Runeterra. That's your entire mythic collection right there.

i've played runeterra... well i prefer mtga. But there is 2 other tcg online that catched my interest : one is based on elders scroll and have a very nice "2 side" board. the system is very unique and tactical deph is great. and another one is god unchained, closer to runeterra but with greater deph and interesting blockchain base. The bad point, player base is a bit low... but it grows up.

STILL playing it btw. Albeit I don't pc game that much.

You dont need to. Arena is hard at the beggining but after a while you can have multiple decks without spending money if you know how to spend your gold and wildcards. I never spent a dime on this game, have every meta deck on standard. 3 meta decks on historic. More than 15 wildcards for each mythic and rare slot and also around 50k gold for kaldheim.

@@clrl936 idc really about building decks I just wished the prizes for limited were a bit more generous. The only reason I spent money was to draft once in awhile especially when I couldn't go to my lgs

@@clrl936 I keep up with the game with 2 accounts. One is completly f2p and I draft each time I collect 10k coins, the other one I spend 20 to 30 dollars each set rotatiton

It was a sacrifice I was willing to makem