Thanks, Steve! While I appreciate that these sites are open, we can't really sugarcoat it. These sites are well designed for Teslas, but they don't work very well for everyone else.
Nope, not ready for prime time in many ways, except perhaps for Kona Electric and Niro EV drivers who can park nose in and don't need all the power. They get some wiggle room for testing, though... but just a little bit ;-)
Something to keep in mind. You will have to wait for V4 super chargers that can do 1000 volts before you can use a supercharger efficiently. V2/3 superchargers can’t hit 800 v so they can’t voltage match the eGMP cars. The ioniq has to charge by diverting the DC current at 400ish volts to the rear motor which will then send on the current to the battery at 800 volts as if it was regenerative braking charging acting as a sort of DC to DC converter. But the power will be limited to what you can get regenerative craning level. It’s a good idea so the car doesn’t have to include an expensive and heavy DC to DC converter like the Taycan and Lucid have which are limited to 50 kw
Absolutely, that's what I was talking around with the voltage label and having one eye on V4 Superchargers. But your explanation is comprehensive and well-taken, thanks!
Thank you for doing these experiments! Glad to see you could actually get a charge via a couple of the Magic Docks, even though the kW rates were so pitiful. It's odd that the E-GMP cars can handle both 350kW and 150kW chargers just fine… but have problems with Tesla's 250kW Superchargers. Weird. I suppose that Hyundai is still trying to figure out what the problem is, and how to solve it, before committing to NACS, like the other automakers. Hope that happens soon!
My first choice would always be a ccs charger and then Tesla if I had no availability. We don’t have Version 3 or 4 here and the closest working Tesla Version 2 is a long way from me. thanks for showing us the system and how it works.
Thanks, Tim. Yes, Superchargers are currently plan C for me, while the stalls are constrained and power to the Ioniq 5 is limited to under 100kW. If the power gets closer to 150kW reliably, and adapters are distributed I would probably bump them up to plan B.
Glad it worked - thanks for sharing. Hopefully V4 Super Chargers have longer cables as well as up to 1000V platforms. You could also have parked in the leftmost taped off stall and not taken up 2 active spots ... or maybe gone up on the curb on the rightmost stall --- but it was so empty, no one would really care. As a tesla owner, I'm really enjoying meeting new brands and folks at the super chargers, adds some nice variety to the EV road trip experience.
Great to hear! I've had only positive interactions with the Tesla folks so far, so that either speaks to Tesla's smart choice of site selection or the genial nature of upstate New Yorkers, I suppose. I wanted to ignore the four broken stalls in this case and make positional choices based on what might happen if the site was fully in-use. Many of the sites have an isolated stall or opposite side parking that can help, but there are a couple like this one and Verona, NY that offer limited choices for non-Tesla port placement. Still, as you say, the site wasn't busy and in most cases it probably won't be, so we're good for the moment.
I tried Freedonia some months ago and had the same no-go experience with my Ioniq 6. I stick with home or EA when I can, though Hyundai’s promised two years of free charging at EA have never happened.
@@anthonydatri7301 Weird, it's supposed to have improved over the past 6-9 months. Now, I almost always get a charge started but it's capped at 97 kW right now. Out of interest, why no free EA charging?
Very nice of you to think of keeping a charger free for a Tesla. In Batavia, you could have backed at an angle. Right rear tire against the side curb and your left front tire touching the white line. Slower charging for now of course because v3 are only 250KW. You will welcome the v4 since you have a 800v car. My brother picked up 2023 Limited AWD in Utica, NY and we road tripped 1400 miles all the way back to central florida. Getting it to precondition was a crap shoot and the Nav was limtied, but that is now all changed with recent software updates. Just in time for him and his wife to drive from central florida to Victoria, BC Canada. Free Electrify America the whole way. They only paid twice for charging on that trip for a total of $20. ENJOY this great car.
It's odd because I'm not sure what benefit they get from opening up more Magic Dock sites, other than the direct revenue from users charging. The NEVI funds should all be for newly built sites unless Tesla struck a different kind of agreement with the feds that allows some percentage of the locations they make public to be non-compliant for a period of time.
Very much depends on the rollout plan, I suppose. If this is part of a wider strategy to expand, it would be sensible to see a 3-6 month pilot with these limited locations, then a bunch more added to the map. On the other hand, this could just have been a PR pump around investor day and V4 is the real rollout, which means you might not see one near you for quite some time.
You could have had the car a little closer to the curb and a few inches back and that one cable may have connected, but you could also scrape your wheels on the curb!
welp, there is hope. maybe Tesla made some changes to their charger software. happy to see this, even just as a backup to dcfc chargers. How well does that inside rear view camera work with a dirty rear window? Are you using a separate screen or the rear view mirror screen?
Yep. I got another two Magic Dock sessions completed in Brewster, NY today, so it's looking more and more like the fix is in. That location has failed other I5 owners in the past, but these two were fine. Re. rear camera, it only comes on at low speeds so no use there for improving visibility. We haven't found it especially distracting when dirty, as it's usually rain that clears off after a while. Canadians with snow and perma-schmutz through winter have found it annoying, though, so third-party rearview mirror cams are probably the most effective solution.
Steve nice helpful video . Batavia was the site I could not charge at 5-weeks ago. Do yo think having the car on helped this time. I have the Lectron level 2 Tesla to CCS it works by turning car on after you get " change failed " audio prompt. I wonder if there is a similar issue. Going to Rochester later this week will test on return trip. Will be I Fredonia next day will check it out. The EA is across the road so I won't spend to much time charging if it works as the EA has been a good site and is way cheaper regards.
For sure, we actually used Fredonia right after the Tesla fail shown here and got 180kW right out the gate... so at least warming the pack for Supercharger testing wasn't a complete loss!
@@plugandplayEV Steve tried Batavia supercharger Wednesday worked 47 kw charge but Fredonia didn't charge today so the Batavia units must have got software update. Interesting wonder what the issue is?
Very odd. I was able to charge at Brewster, NY twice on Tuesday and was hoping that indicated the fix was complete, as I5 owners have been unable to charge there in the past. If Fredonia still isn't delivering a charge, though, that theory goes out of the window. No entirely sure what else could be going wrong to make them work at some sites but not at others...
Yes, both Plugshare and A Better Route Planner (ABRP) now have listings that show CCS2, when it exists at a Supercharger. It makes most sense to get the Tesla app and look at the "Charge Your Non-Tesla" section, though, as it's the most up to date source of location data and currently the only way to pay/activate a Magic Dock session, so you'd need it one way or another if you intend to use the network.
After doing a lot of research, as much as I want the Ioniq 5, I’ll have to settle for the Model 3 Long Range. It comes down to having the charging network and the EV tax credit here in the U.S.
Still a great choice, just some very different strengths. Our in-laws have a 2018 Model 3 LR that is still going strong at 130,000+ miles... hope you get the same trips and enjoyment out of yours!
I think Bolts have generally had success with Magic Dock locations, including the Fredonia site shown in this location. In general, 400V EVs seem to be having a much better time with them than those with 800V architecture, due to the voltage limitation on this kind of Supercharger.
@@plugandplayEV ya i guess my pepe is now a hate symbol lol,,, ya everyone should be able to charge everywhere,,, even better would be plug and pay goes to your own electric bill ,, no apps,, cards etc should be needed
If I'm wearing my tinfoil hat, perhaps Tesla is threatened by E-GMP cars because they are superior in some ways and doesn't want them to have a leg up. Bolt/EUV drivers have been able to charge fine (for example). It's probably a tech issue, but with a mercurial CEO stranger things have happened.
I think it's simply that the network is geared for 400V EVs, so the 800V architecture vehicles turn up some use cases that Tesla hasn't encountered before. None of the EGMP cars, even combined sales, are going to be produced in significant enough volume to challenge Tesla for several years yet, IMO.
Exactly what we did! Actually, it was EVgo in one case, but got 200kW+ both times. We'd only ever use Tesla as a plan C, assuming it eventually works, but have to do the tests to confirm either way.
