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Non-Tesla Supercharging: Hyundai IONIQ 5 First Test of CCS Magic Dock Supercharger

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Run for the hills, Tesla owners, the great unwashed hordes of CCS electric vehicles are heading for your Superchargers! At least a handful of us were, on the final day of February, as the EV leader launched non-Tesla Supercharging in New York and California. In our Hyundai IONIQ 5, we made the trek across Massachusetts to one of several CCS-equipped Superchargers near Albany, NY.
Only a handful of Superchargers have the "Magic Dock" solution so far -- a rather grandiose name for a Tesla-to-CCS adapter locked to a regular Supercharger post -- with eight locations across upstate New York and a couple more in Northern California. However, the potential implications of rapid retrofits to the most expansive EV charging network in North America are clear: if Tesla is so inclined, it can change the public charging landscape in the US and Canada almost overnight.
So how did it go and will we be ditching our complimentary Electrify America plan in favor of Elon's magical mission? Watch the first seven minutes for the former and the second seven minutes for the latter!
Chapters
0:00 - Start
0:24 - Intro
0:57 - Location of Malta, NY (Ballston Spa Supercharger)
1:30 - Non-Tesla Charging in the Tesla App
2:00 - Unlocking CCS Adapter + Plugging In
6:55 - Session Summary
7:19 - First Impressions on Tesla CCS Charging
8:00 - Pricing Analysis
10:00 - Potential for Expansion
10:34 - Non-Tesla Charging: Potential Negatives
12:25 - Non-Tesla Supercharging Access + Etiquette
13:25 - Over to You
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@plugandplayEV Год назад

Tesla owners, how do you feel about the Supercharger network starting to open up? Non-Tesla owners, will this become your go-to option if the Magic Dock solution expands nationwide? Or does another network remain your favorite> If so, which one and why? Let us know, down below!

@achillesworks Год назад

As a Tesla owner, in Europe. This is great news! People notice how easy living with a Tesla is, and on the plus side for us this means lower and lower charging price for Tesla owners as more non Teslas charge there. I’m not worried about waiting in line, since if a supercharger station is filled with non Teslas and I am navigating there in my Tesla, the other owners get a notification to disconnect and leave space asap.

@user-oo3uj5ku9r Год назад

Don’t love it to be honest. I bought a Tesla for the supercharger network. I don’t need to wait to charge because a bolt is pulling 22 kW because Chevy sucks and can’t have preconditioning. Charge non-Teslas at least 3x the price.

@rogerstarkey5390 Год назад

@@achillesworks I believe there may be a clause in the small print allowing the location to be software locked to Tesla only when it's very busy (?)

@achillesworks Год назад

@@rogerstarkey5390 I don’t know about full lock, but I do know there is guaranteed priority to Tesla vehicles, if you are occupying all stalls with non Teslas, you get kicked out of charging or big fees are applied (without charging).

@belletie Год назад

I'm fine with non-Teslas charging but for future builds and retrofits, Tesla really should consider charge port location and accessibility. That should actually be a requirement for the federal money. Towing would also benefit from more flexible charge configurations.

@newscoulomb3705 Год назад

Thanks, Steve! I'll be trying to swing by one of my "local" unlocked Superchargers soon. There are a number of issues that I think people didn't expect to see when using non-Tesla EVs on Superchargers, but they shouldn't really be all that surprising. Luckily, none of those issue are really that big of a deal (other than some EVs blocking multiple stalls). My biggest gripe right now is that it appears that all of the unlocked (and soon to be unlocked) Superchargers are in regions that already have decent high-power CCS coverage. The Superchargers I'm most interested in seeing unlocked are hundreds of miles from the nearest public CCS charger.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Looking forward to seeing your test, Eric. Looks like the Bolt handles the system and stall placement well... another bonus of its size and front end design. I cut a bunch of thoughts out of this on charger placement and potential expansion, which I think will become a Coffee + Kilowatts discussion next week. But you're spot on with the existing locations, as this video showed a little. EVolve NY/Shell Recharge is 20 miles in either direction of this one with well placed, well-lit stations and EVgo has an excellent presence around Albany, NY. Meanwhile the former DCFC desert of the NY Thruway is awash with options, including the new service plaza stalls that I mentioned (Applegreen Electric, so expensive and untried, but very convenient). And the Tesla locations are in some odd spots, like the casino in Verona, NY. So it's not much use to us at the moment, but if they opened up something in northern Maine or New Hampshire, it would make EV travel to/from Canada easier overnight. Anyway, excited to hear your thoughts once you hit a Magic Dock site.

@newscoulomb3705 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Yes, there's a lot to consider about this new implementation, but I think you and I are likely to agree on most points (coming from similar background experiences). I don't expect the Bolt EV to have much of a problem with cable reach for the reasons you mentioned, but I do have one of the original Bolt EVs with the "cable support" issue. It will be interesting to see whether that results in any issues. The other aspect that I find interesting is the charging speeds on E-GMP vehicles. In theory, the Superchargers are rated for 1,000 V, so only dispensing at 400 V rates is a bit disappointing. At this point, paired CPE 250 sites are a much better backup for E-GMP drivers than the Superchargers, and in California, the pricing is nearly identical (around 50 cents per kWh across most sites). If the rumors are true, the Cybertruck will be 800 V, so we could see a fast rollout of Tesla's V4 Superchargers with longer cables and 1000 V supply. That would help everyone.

@jimmillington Год назад

I love to hear you talk about courtesy and everyone just getting along and trying to be sensitive to other people's needs. I'm sure we would have peace in Ukraine if more people were like you. Great video and I'm a tesla user

@mikecarter2737 Год назад

Charged Mach-e Select AWD at Placerville, CA Supercharger with Magic Dock. Chargers were orientated parallel to stalls so no issues with cable length. 102kW. But to avoid blocking, had to park in rightmost side of site in stall adjacent to Supercharger unit where no Tesla would go.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear it went well there. I was thinking that Tesla drivers also have a role to play at some of these sites, by getting used to using the rightmost stall as a last option. Keeping that one open benefits both groups, as it encourages CCS drivers to get used to heading for that one first and reduces the chance of a middle stall being used/two posts being taken up.

@philipricotta537 Год назад

Steve had the exact same experience when I drove out from Buffalo to the Batavia NY supercharger earlier this week. Tried 4 different stalls would announce charging started ramp up to over 60kw then quit and Tesla app indicated charging error. My car 2022 Ionic 5 purchased in April 2022. So its not a site problem at that Supercharger. A Kia Nero charged next to me fine. Thanks for your balanced videos on EA chargers which could be better but aren't the end the world as other sites suggest.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks Philip, that seems to be true for the five or six different I5 owners I've seen try the Magic Dock so far. At least you got 60kW to show up though, which beats out my 21kW, for whatever that's worth?! I appreciate the note on EA, as well. Far from perfect but entirely viable for long-distance travel, as our trips (and those of others who've driven across the country after picking up an I5) can attest.

@philipricotta537 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Steve did you recently get a charge on you I5 in Batavia NY Super charger. I haven't tried in over a month.If you did , did you have to do anything special to get it to work.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

@@philipricotta537 I did! Video coming soon on that solitary success, as other sessions we tried on the trip across NY still didn't work. Honestly not sure what the difference was in that successful session but hoping to hear ore from Tesla soon... or at least a fix that suddenly gets it working across the board... as Hyundai reps have said they've been talking to Tesla. More soon...

@dennislyon5412 Год назад

Steve - just for giggles, I drove up to the closest (to me) SC location last night, which is 16 miles from my house. 8 chargers, and it was mostly occupied at 6:30. It’s a freeway friendly location in the middle of metro Detroit, so likely gets lots of use by Tesla owners, let alone the CCS cars that will stop by - should this one get updated. That magic dock is a nice idea, and if at least one charger at all locations is converted - with a longer cord too, please, that opens up CCS a lot in US. Sorry that you weren’t able to get the charger to continue running, but that bug will work out in time, I’m sure. A good video, pointing out the perceived pluses and minuses. Cheers!

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks Dennis! It's funny, we have tens of sites that would be really interesting to see open up around Boston, especially with the recent surge of V3 Superchargers in metro areas. That has completely changed over the past 18 months, before which suburban charging was dominated by CCS. However, like the site you describe, these Superchargers are all full of commuters and opportunity charging Teslas, so I think there would be more vocal opposition if those locations fully opened up to the CCS hordes. Interesting times!

@KatAdair Год назад

Longer cords are a terrible option. Perhaps non-Tesla EVs can carry their own special extension cord? Anytime there is a long cord (or hose) for anything, nobody ever rolls it back up, and it gets damaged and dirty.

@KatAdair Год назад

@@plugandplayEV and yes…vocal opposition. If it’s a busy Tesla Supercharger that’s almost always full, having non-Tesla vehicles take up TWO charging spaces, as shown in this video, would be a real problem. It’s not only that, but because the onboard route planner doesn’t know that these vehicles are taking up two spaces, it will not reflect an accurate availability in our navigation system. Not just griping, but it’s a serious concern for a lot of us who paid a premium price to have access to a reliable supercharger system, and now face the possibility of long wait times and unavailable chargers.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

@@KatAdair That's a Tesla problem. You want to be a public EV charging network, organize sites in such a way that the full breadth of EVs are accommodated. Tesla doesn't agree with you on longer cables being terrible, as V4 Supercharger development shows. There are plenty of solutions to the Tesla limitations currently on display... if the company listens and adapts, they might just win our business, as well as substantial government funding.

@KatAdair Год назад

@@plugandplayEV but there’s existing infrastructure, the same infrastructure we paid for when we bought our vehicles. It’s worked for ten years the way it is, and other companies chose to do it differently. Perhaps when designing their vehicles they might have thought ahead and said “maybe someday our cars could use Tesla’s network” and designed accordingly.

@bigdougscommentary5719 Год назад

On a recent round trip from California to Missouri, I used my Model Y and CCS adapter about 40% of the time. Usually when Superchargers located in the same are were Version 150kwh and I could get 200 kWh from EA stalls. I never charged at CCS STATIONS if ANY CCS vehicles were waiting.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

It's not a common sight around MA, possibly because V3 Superchargers are abundant and the price per kWh isn't that high in Mass. But I do see Teslas on EA units and the more the merrier, to my mind. All paying customers. But your consideration of the limited resources is appreciated and I'd hope most CCS model owners will respect Superchargers the same way, using the most suitable stalls first and only charging for as long as they need to before freeing up the stall.

@KatAdair Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Judging by the enthusiasm of everyone putting up videos of themselves charging at superchargers, I think they will try to charge at our chargers without thinking through issues like taking up two stalls. We as Tesla owners have some supercharging courtesies that we adhere to RELIGIOUSLY…for example, skipping a space on 150 kW chargers if possible because it splits the voltage between the two cars if you park side-by-side. “Rules” that are ingrained in our community. I am not sure that non-Tesla owners will understand these guidelines. I only pray that after the initial novelty that these drivers experience will be offset by the high price, and they will realize it’s cheaper to charge at home or other EV chargers, and they realize that the superchargers don’t charge their cars as quickly as expected. One guy’s video showed him EXTREMELY excited about charging at 24 kW…a Tesla can charge at over 250 kW with the Level 3 charger. If their cars are limited in speed, and then take hours to charge on our DC fast chargers where we might spend 10-25 minutes, it’s going to create a bottleneck. Sorry to be negative about this, but just trying to help others understand why we might not be happy about this.

@jahblessin3996 Год назад

Great video. Road trips are a little bit of a hassle I’ve always wondered about these Tesla stations. Love my 22 Ioniq SEL

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks! We've just completed around 6,000 miles throughout July and found the road trips to be 90% relaxing, with maybe the remaining 5-10% ranging from inconvenient to requiring additional planning. Well worth it for the many other conveniences that the vehicle brings, in my opinion!

@SmokeyMesa Год назад

Cross platform compatibility is a good thing. I wouldn't take my CCS car to Tesla site generally, just like you don't see many Tesla's at CCS sites, but it's awesome for everyone to have a backup option when a site has issues. I can also think of some less traveled routes that this could open up for me!

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Right, no one's going to complain about having an extra charging option at any stage of their journey, whether it's a Tesla forced to use EA or a non-Tesla having to figure out the best way to use Supercharger stalls. It's going to be messy for a while to come and we'll clearly need far more Superchargers retrofitted for this to be considered a CCS-enabled "network", but the early signs are positive and it's fun to see the two ecosystems align.

@KatAdair Год назад

I don’t mind you having a backup for emergencies, but hopefully the prices will discourage non-Tesla drivers from using these as a primary charger. We only consider your EA and other charging stations for emergencies (in 15 months, I’ve never used them, because the two I’ve stopped at weren’t even working!)

@plugandplayEV Год назад

I can beat that, not one of 8 Tesla stalls worked for me! Least successful charge session in seven years of EV driving.

@SmokeyMesa Год назад

@@KatAdair I have charging at home, so it's pretty rare that I fast charge at all. It's Elon's choice to open things up, so that's between you and him. Of course if he gets financial benefit from American taxpayers to have public charging I do mind if he would turn around and price gouge taxpayers like me who subsidize his chargers as a public network.

@thewwcanadian 5 месяцев назад

Just watching random videos and enjoying info on the Tesla Magic Doc.

@plugandplayEV 5 месяцев назад

Hope it helps! If you ever head down the coast into the US, there's a V4 Supercharger with Magic Dock going in at Rockland, ME. Should be energized any day now.

@Crazypostman Год назад

The version 4s that are being spotted in Europe right now look like they're going to solve this problem they're taller with a much longer cable.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Europe was obviously a good test bed and should iron out some of the model-specific hitches, which might be why we're seeing an overall very positive ratio of those that charge smoothly vs. fails like this one. Then a longer cable for V4 addresses the general challenge of many CCS EVs taking up two stalls to get a charge. It will be really interesting to see how much effort Tesla commits to retrofitting V3 stalls when a better solution is on the horizon.

@ernstschepp9365 Год назад

I drove by the local V3 Supercharger on Sunday (we have 2 x V2 charger sites in town also) to see if they had install the Magic Dock on these ones (no Magic Dock found). I was surprised to see the site was nearly full (6 of the 8 stall used). The Tesla owners gave me a "look" in my Bolt, so I can only imagine if my Bolt was plugged in then the site would have been 100% full (since I would have to taken up two charging sports). I feel charging at Supercharges for none Tesla's should be a plan B option if possible and only the first option if no other chargers are available in the vicinity. In Iowa we are lucky that we have quite a few CCS sites. It is still a great thing to have more redundancy in the future by having Supercharges available also.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Yes, with the higher price and short cables forcing sub-optimal positioning for many CCS models, I think it's more about redundancy than requirement at this point. Looking at most of the places that CCS options are in short supply, they're going to be in sparsely populated areas and the Supercharger is unlikely to be packed, as we see in the more built up areas of California, New York, and other areas where Tesla might opportunity charge/use Superchargers in the absence of home charging. So where Tesla/CCS is the only option, I wouldn't expect to see too many delays or annoyed owners.

@shep64 Год назад

I read that someone on Reddit said they had to step into their Ioniq 5 and step on the brake like they were starting the car and the Tesla Supercharger kept charging

@plugandplayEV Год назад

I think I saw that one... or perhaps someone posted it here in the shorts video. In any case, it feels like an odd solution but it would be amusing if it worked! Will try to test a few workarounds the next time we get out there.

@thenetworkarchitectchannel Год назад

I think since it is the first time Tesla SC have had to talk to all makes, there will be some growing pains. They have only ever had to talk to Teslas. Welcome to the EA & EVgo club Tesla. ;-} Thx for the vid. I bet they work it out pretty quick. BTW, we own both a Tesla Model 3 and a Volvo XC40 Recharge. As a Tesla owner, it is a non issue for me. Out here in Charlotte and the vicinity, super chargers always have open spaces. not like out west. As a CCS car owner, it is super exciting to think the number of orange pin drops on plug share is going to be going way up for me in the coming months.

@erikruggels9177 Год назад

They talk to all makes everywhere else in the world 🤷🏼

@thenetworkarchitectchannel Год назад

@@erikruggels9177 good point

@ouch1011 Год назад

This has been the same sort of experience that the European CCS Superchargers have been seeing once Tesla opened their network there. Some cars work, some cars don’t. Oddly enough, Dave on Out of Spec was able to charge his GV60, but did have to move chargers once before it would work. I wonder if this is something else where the early 2022 egmp owners get the short stick. Personally I own a Model 3 and an Ioniq5. I’m definitely happy that I’ll eventually have the Supercharger network as a backup option once it opens up here on the West Coast, but between the high pricing and the severe speed limitation for 800V cars (since the Superchargers are incapable of 800V, egmp cars are limited to either 100 or 150kw depending on who you listen to), I doubt it’ll be anything more than a back-up option for me when in the Ioniq5. Honestly, since I have a CCS adapter for my Model 3, the Supercharger network tends to be a secondary option anyway since Superchargers tend to be fairly expensive during daytime hours, even for Tesla owners. I’ll be curious to see which locations they end up opening. We already know they aren’t planning to open all their Superchargers to CCS cars anytime soon (if ever). I’m guessing they won’t open any locations that are commonly over 80% occupied, although I don’t know anything about the locations they’ve already opened, so I may have already been proven wrong. Tbh, there is only one near me that I’m hoping they’ll open up soon, and that’s the Hines, OR SC. There is literally nowhere to fast charge along that route from Bend, OR all the way to Boise, ID (more than 300 miles). If you want to go between those two points (which are both decently sized cities) in a non-Tesla EV, you have to take about a 120 mile detour in order to have any charging options. Although, they did just open a huge SC install in Sutherlin, OR (like 50 chargers) and although there is an EA within walking distance from it, it only has 4 chargers and is routinely full with a queue during travel times with no other options nearby, so having that one open may be nice too.

@jeffweingrad4658 Год назад

I had my hands on an Ioniq5 for 2 weeks and loved the vehicle. But I had weird charging experiences. It would do the exact same thing as this video but at an EA charger if there were other vehicles charging. But worked when it was empty. Got my hands on a Tesla, with vertical integration, didn't have any finicky issues. Not sure what's going to fix that, lot of architecture with high voltage talking to each other.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Travel areas with minimal CCS presence seem like a smart expansion for the Magic Dock solution. They're unlikely to be extremely busy with Tesla traffic in the more remote parts, so CCS drivers using them wouldn't be especially disruptive, but it would be hugely valuable to broader EV adoption and show Tesla filling gaps where no-one else has gone. Seems like a win-win, but we'll have to see how the pilot goes and whether they really want to pursue this with V3 locations, or will hold off for V4 and tie those to the NEVI funds.

@bradcooke5383 Год назад

Steve, Kyle Conner's dad has a GV60 and it charged fine at another Tesla magic dock site in NY. Not sure why your 800v car wouldn't charge there. Thanks for the video.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks Brad. Also saw Kia EV6 charging successfully (albeit after a couple of failed attempts), so we do think this is specific to the Ioniq 5. So far I've seen three reports of I5 owners experiencing the same failures. Sure it will be figured out at some point.

@lrod8692 Год назад

It’s a Hyundai issue. Not a Tesla Issue. Maybe Hyundai needs to push out a software update.

@raylab77 Год назад

@@lrod8692 perhaps now yes. It’s been a problem on v3 chargers for over half a year in Norway, but Hyundai wouldn’t even look at it. They blamed Tesla. That was 7,8 months ago. But Norway is small, and with USA owners with the same problem, they might care to look into it.

@skyemalcolm Год назад

Watching your video, I’m wondering if the state of the “ignition” of on/off the Hyundai would have potentially have played a role here. Maybe the SC wanted to make sure the car would not drive way. Maybe the car wasn’t truly in a prepped state to receive a charge. No normally in the EV6 it doesn’t matter for this on/off state. But possibly in this case it matters. The one place where I’ve seen it matter in the EV6 is on a level 2 Tesla mobile charger using the Lectron adapter. Then if the car is off the charging won’t start. However if you cycle the power to on then off the charging will start. Probably this anecdote is unrelated to your issues but I thought I’d mention it since they both (sort of) involve Tesla and attempts to charge an e-GMP car.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

I tried 2D in all states I could think before moving through the others more quickly. Car was on first three attempts, off for another two, then I moved to 1A where it was side on and super close to the post. A European viewer suggested hopping back in the car and covering the brake pedal, amongst other things, so I'm compiling a list of potential ways to try again whenever we can get back to one.

@davidck1 Год назад

What does the sticker on the charger say? Here in europe superchargers are CCS up to 1000vdc therfore at an empty supercharger it could deliver over 300kw

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Label has post DC output at 0-500V, so we're not pushing as much. But the hitch for Ioniq 5 appears to be communication between the car and Supercharger system, as it won't even begin delivering power.

@davidck1 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV i guess i will have to rent an ioniq5 and in depth test at this 1000v European supercharger

@michaellippmann4474 Год назад

Thanks for the video Steve. Really interesting to see this develop so quickly. I also chuckle at some of the comments from mostly T owners about how Musk is doing this to help...well in actual fact let us not forget that Musk is doing this for the $$$$ it will generate. I have no issue with Tesla at all and as a matter of fact I am super happy that they grabbed the EV bull by the horns and advanced EV's to were they are today. Without them we would be no where near as far along as we are today. But I agree Tesla SC Network is a good plan C at this point. We tripped back from Florida and arrived home last night. No hiccups, no charger issues.....until Northern Ohio! Again the issue of only placing one DCFC in a location was the issue. Arrived there to find a Q Tron plugged in at 32% and insisting on charging to 100% before moving!!!! Well we moved on and used our backup to our backup plan and found another 62.5kw charger at another Community College, charged there to 80% and made it home with 5% to spare. All good but the charging infrastructure as it is from Dayton to Detroit is truly terrible. And in our case planning saved the day and knowing what our car can and cannot do. Absolutely 0 issues from Southern Ohio all the way to Florida and on the way down we did a long detour around Atlanta through the Smokey Mountains National Park...had an awesome trip. 5 years from now I am sure we will all look back and laugh at some of the issues we deal with now! Have a great day Steve and Thank you to you and Eric at News Coloumb for doing your videos and reports!! Mike and Ally 🇨🇦👍

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Ah, sorry Ohio had to be the buzzkill! Sounds like a great trip overall, though, and that number of miles with almost no disruption is still telling, to my mind. Ohio has some solid L2 and mid-power DCFC options in the towns, which provide a nice back up plan (or reason to linger and see the sights), but for travel through there's still work to be done. EVgo seems to have an eye on those areas, so hopefully we'll see some improved infrastructure from them this year. Safe travels and thank you both, as always, for the heartening trip reports!

@michaellippmann4474 Год назад

@plugandplayEV Hi Steve I agree there is a fair number of L2 options but those are only workable if one is doing a siteseeing tour..then they shine but for a fast road trip not so much! In October we are starting a 10,000+KM trip to SW US states, California, up the coast to Canada, into Northern BC and Alberta and then back through to SW Ontario...about 6+ weeks. We are looking forward to seeing how the charging infrastructure pans out on that trip. Lots of planning and back ups will be the order of the day! We will also be in our EV6 which we expect in June or July of this summer! Anyway...have a great day! Mike and Ally 🇨🇦

@stephengowler5360 Год назад

I use a Tesla hub regularly here in the UK. The only issue for me is the short cable making it difficult to reach my Kona. Otherwise great experience. Well done Tesla, you put all the other networks to shame

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Lack of cable reach has definitely been a challenge. We've also had low power and timeout issues with US Superchargers, but hopefully these are teething problems that get worked out soon.

@smeggysmeg Год назад

Where I live, fast charging is so sparse that 1 site not working could easily leave you stranded. I'm very appreciative of the redundancy, although I wouldn't use Tesla as my go-to.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Right, there are certain locations where a single V3 Supercharger opening would be a gamr-changer. Locally, I'm thinking northern Maine and New Hampshire routes to Canada, for example. More on this coming in a discussion vid next week, I think, and thanks for the perspective.

@mosfet500 Год назад

Thanks Steve. 49 cents kWh is too expensive, that's over $30 to fully charge a Bolt, glad I have PV and do most of my charging from home! Favorite is Charge Point, I guess in emergency the Tesla will do just fine. Getting to be like gas stations, go anywhere, charge anywhere. I have the EVGO promo from GM $500 and I think CP honors it.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

The member price makes it a bit more reasonable, but you'd have to be using Superchargers exclusively on a trip, which isn't possible yet other than crossing NY (where there are endless EA and EVolve NY options). Don't tell them, but I'm secretly getting back on side with Team EVgo. Autocharge is really handy and the new 350kW Delta units are very good. If they get some on the Masspike, I'd definitely get back on their monthly plan.

@mosfet500 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Thanks Steve. The thing that bugs me about EA it they they don't play with other suppliers and I've found their site in Oneonta, NY never accepts my CC, I have to dig out my account and password, I spent 20 minutes in the rain getting them to unlock it so I could charge once. Let's hope these things improve.

@daves1646 Год назад

For my 2022 ID/4, I have successfully used the Magic-Dock adapted SC’s at the Batavia NY site twice. Charging rate was slower than ideal, as typical for the ID.4’s with a winter-cold battery and no pre-DCFC conditioning possible. Overall, once I figured out how to position to the v3 chargers, it went well. Hope Tesla figures out where the issue is for Ioniq5’s soon!! Hopefully the Buffalo Charging R/D group for Tesla sees from the network side what didn’t work for you and gets a mod up. The v4 chargers will be 900+volt capable and likely far better for the eGMP EVs.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks for the report, Dave, glad you could get them to work, albeit at low power. Were any stalls out at Batavia? The Tesla app has shown 2A/B/C/D down for the past week. Planning to swing through there on our next trip to see if that's the case. Excited for V4 roll out in the US. While a neat solution, Magic Dock doesn't address many of the site and hardware limitations for non-Tesla charging. It sounds like V4 solves most of the challenges and should be the real catalyst for truly opening up Supercharger sites that justify the NEVI funds flowing their way.

@daves1646 Год назад

I was there yesterday, and 4 stalls in the center of the line of 12 were taped off but still appeared to b v3 units. Open center, short cord, Magic-Doc present. Maybe they’re going to put something updated in place. I’ll have to check when the app shows they are available again. Thank you for applying your curiosity and interest in EVs to helping us see what’s possible as EV charging keeps morphing!!

@581rma Год назад

We have a similar issue when using our Tesla home charger for my model three on our ionic five with the third-party adapter, when plugged in the Ioniq 5 says charge unsuccessful, and the only way to engage it is to go into the Hyundai app and click start charging Maybe that’s what has to be done when using this adapter on Tesla supercharger network

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Added to the list for our next visit, thanks Robert! The potential issue here is that the Tesla app will only give you so long before it decides the charge has failed and requires the connector to be reholstered before trying again. If we're going to have to jump into Bluelink to start charging, that's going to be a pretty tight window.

@homomorphic Год назад

Apparently polestar 2s can get 150kW at superchargers (reported by other owners). I can't confirm as there isn't a ccs tesla supercharger in Los Angeles; in fact, there isn't one in a 200 mile radius of Los Angeles.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Understandably, they're keeping the experimentation quite far from major hubs and mostly close to where they can be assessed by the team in Buffalo. Given the moaning we've already seen, I can only imagine the uproar if Tesla opened a key site to the CCS masses!

@tpalmer3206 Год назад

Found it interesting you couldn’t charge, hope you find a solution. As a side note, love the new opening graphics.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks! I'm sure it won't be long before we find a work around or get it addressed by Tesla and/or Hyundai.

@JohnRoss1 Год назад

I'm curious is Tesla getting federal funds to open their sites or is that just for new sponsored locations? Watching from Canada 🍁 with an EV6. Too bad you had no luck at that location, much like charging at IVY😜. I loaded the Tesla app just for fun but am not driving to the Buffalo area to try it out. It would be nice to have an option. Tesla has been opening sites at smaller towns in the Ontario away from the main highways. Good for tourism and local Tesla owners. We've had a Tesla site at a hotel beside the 401 since 2013. Just tested out an adapter for the tesla destination charger and it worked, eventually, getting 9.5 kW Much better than the 5 or 6 from a typical level 2.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Funding should only be for the newly-built NEVI sites, but it sounds like the deal with Tesla was specific given the need to open up a software-locked system and accommodate a different connector. So, it's not impossible that they got some kind of incentive for immediately retrofitting V3 sites for CCS. This could also just be a good faith move that allowed them to signal intent around Investor Day, while kicking off a pilot program that gets them some data on use by CCS models without significantly disrupting the Supercharger network as a whole.

@Crazypostman Год назад

I have trouble charging with non 1,000 volt chargers in my ioniq5... There's a 500 volt BTC near me and I've tried many times because it's the nearest one to me but it will not charge my ioniq5 It charged my Mache and Tesla just fine

@plugandplayEV Год назад

The positive aspect with Superchargers is that the hardware itself all comes from the same source, so even if the charger is the issue, one solution fixes it across the board. With most of the public charging provider, it's a grab bag of different charging hardware, so what fixes an issue for one piece of kit might not be applicable to another. It's only the Ioniq 5 I've seen failing thus far, so hopefully that's the only one. In that case, 1 fail out of 30-40 CCS models isn't bad at all for the first couple of days!

@Crazypostman Год назад

@@plugandplayEV I think it's a Hyundai problem because at the BTC I can't use the ev6 can! Weird

@kennethhandin5506 Год назад

I believe its referenced as Malta, NY not Ballston Spa

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks for the comment. The address/town is Ballston Spa but yes, Tesla calls it the Malta Supercharger.

@winstonreid1395 Год назад

EGMP V3 has issues that can be worked out via software per the euro peeps I tried 4 stalls its just not ready yet for ioniqs fortunately its not the car just communication that needs to be worked out and can be as EGMP V2 had same issues and was worked out in europe

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Thanks for the additional info, Winston 👍

@milesfong3901 Год назад

Glad to see a Bolt charging, but I doubt that it would be my main goto.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Yep, I think it will vary location by location, but there are other charging sites that would better serve CCS vehicles nearby. Nationally, it will depend a great deal on whether Tesla decides to open up Superchargers in areas where the CCS infrastructure is limited or non-existent. On the positive side, the Bolt's compact size and short nose will make it quite easy to access the most suitable (least intrusive) Supercharger stalls.

@neilfranklin2284 Год назад

I assume the Tesla Chargers are not (yet?) in the I5 Nav therefore no preconditioning?

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Right, couldn't find them in the native nav list. But there are plenty of CCS stations nearby, so it's easy to hack the heater to start with them and just hop off the exit for Supercharger, as I did here.

@neilfranklin2284 Год назад

Yep on selection of a nearby charger, provided it is in the 30ish mile radius

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Yes, that's pretty much always the case around here but I need to remember there are many parts of the country where 30 miles is nothing. Another aspect I'd like to test is whether setting a "favorite" station means you can then access navigation to chargers further away than 30 miles and whether that then prompts the heater to activate early, if so.

@DblOSmith Год назад

Wow, Tesla put a supercharger inside of a black hole from the looks of it. That's forward thinking! lol

@plugandplayEV Год назад

It was right by the dumpster, though, so very handy for cleaning out the car... now all we need is the ability to see and charge.

@Dan-jy8rq Год назад

How many 800 volt Ioniq 5’s can charge at a 500 volt supercharger? The Ioniq needs an adapter to lower the voltage…

@plugandplayEV Год назад

A software fix on the delivery side is most likely for V3 sites. Define the car that's plugging in and dynamically limit voltage/amperage as needed.

@Paul-cj1wb Год назад

I've seen other videos with Ionic 5 having issues charging with the magic dock. Other EGMP EVs seem to work fine though. They work in Europe superchargers so it should be a simple fix. Hopefully an over the air fix as going to a dealer sucks.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

A few people have suggested hopping back into the car and pushing the brake pedal to keep the charge going. Feels like a bit of a wild goose chase but it would be amusing if it worked! Will try to test a few workarounds the next time we get out there.

@Paul-cj1wb Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Hmmmm. Can't see what difference that would make, but will definitely watch the video after you upload it. Thanks.

@Longsnowsm Год назад

Thanks for the video. Looks like some of the higher voltage cars are having spotty performance. Kyle at Out of Spec Reviews posted a video about slow performance with the faster cars. Hopefully the expansion to CCS cars ramps up quickly. Some of us live in EV deserts and if you get off of the beaten path your in for a range anxiety stressed out time. My road trips typically are not on the main travel corridors so we need chargers all over the place.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

For sure, there are plenty of locations across the US where a well-placed DC fast charger makes long-distance EV travel much more comfortable. We have a couple right on our doorstep, up in New Hampshire's White Mountains and the I-95 section in Maine that connects to Canada. Magic Dock retrofits at either of the Supercharger sites serving those routes would be a huge deal. That said, I'm not certain Tesla will be the one opening up truly remote locations (i.e. those away from highways and metro areas). For me, that will be either state level initiatives (like EVolve NY in this video) or the Rivian Adventure Network, which I have to assume will open to all EVs at some point. With the company burning cash and a clear brand proposition to put charging in "adventure" areas, I can't see the staying exclusive for long.

@Longsnowsm Год назад

@@plugandplayEV I am hoping these gas station operators will finally realize that they don't make their real money on gasoline. It is the sales in the store typically at the gas station that pays the bills. What better reason to install chargers that will have people sitting at their establishments for 15 minutes up to an hour captive to a charger? Setup a little coffee shop and lounge area like the have at truck stops and people will be hanging out and spending money all day. Hopefully that will turn out to be the stimulus along with tax incentives to get chargers at many of these larger fueling stations. People want food, bathrooms, snacks etc and that would be the real money maker for them. Hopefully we will start to see those developments happening soon with the roll out of the infrastructure and IRA money.

@Yanquetino Год назад

Drat…! Sorry to hear that the Magic Docks bawked at your Ioniq 5. What's odd is that I've seen a GV60 use them just fine, which has the very same drivetrain. Hmmm. Well… there are bugs to squash, obviously. I don't know how keen I am on these Magic Docks anyway. Seems to me that Tesla needs to simply SELL those docks to non-Tesla owners, perhaps even with an extension cord, and then enable any and all Superchargers to handle them. After all, they sell a CCS-to-Tesla adapter. Why not a Tesla-to-CCS adapter? Would make much more sense.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Yes, it's software-related and somewhere closer to the Tesla side than Hyundai, from what I'm hearing. But the bug is identified and the two are talking, according to Hyundai engineers, so hopefully that will shake out soon. I think you're right about the adapter as the best way to roll out wider access quickly, but I don't think that's what Tesla wants. That would mean they lose control of which locations are now open to everyone and could easily overwhelm Superchargers in high-use areas like California. Rolling out Magic Dock to select sites gives them the time to test, revise, and open things up in waves, which in turn prevents Tesla owners from turning against the move en masse because this approach has much less of an impact on their daily use.

@Yanquetino Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Yes, Tesla has always wanted to maintain strict control. Funny how they've had no problem tapping into others' networks with their CHAdeMO and CCS adapters, but allow reciprocal access…? Naw…! Nonetheless, they could still maintain control with purchasable Tesla-to-CCS adapters (like the "Magic Dock"), since it's all handled via over-the-air software anyway. Just post for any Supercharger site on the map whether the units have also been programmed to accommodate CCS -just like they post how many units there are, how many are available, if there's a wait time, etc. They could then open them up a few at a time, little by little, to still maintain control over the transition. Will they do it? Not gonna hold my breath.

@leslarson2642 Год назад

Disappointing! Since I live in a CCS desert, I had high hopes for the Tesla chargers. How did you get your Ioniq 5 up to temperature? Set a false destination?

@plugandplayEV Год назад

I'm sure there will be a fix along eventually, but yes it would have been nice to see success right out of the gate. Still, it shows the complexity of managing a diverse ecosystem of EV models, rather than a homogeneous group. Re. battery heating, it was a combination of intended charging at the EVgo location I showed in the video, then just keeping the pack warm by navigating to one of the local EVolve NY charging sites on the way up. This Supercharger is right off I-87, so all I had to do was watch for the correct exit and it was easy to find.

@mujjuman Год назад

I’m in that same area

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Looks like a nice region, albeit I arrived and left in the dark! We'll be back, for sure

@justcallmejohn2833 Год назад

I live near CP and those Tesla units are pretty expensive. The only reason Tesla agreed to this was to receive a discount on their electricity, so they better make them work.

@achillesworks Год назад

Tesla’s charging network is the most reliable in the world. If a charger is out, it says on the app. Now, if a non Tesla cannot charge, that’s the car’s fault, not the charger’s

@justcallmejohn2833 Год назад

@@achillesworks I would never use these so I don’t care but the rule in NY is to get a discount on electricity all sites must work for all CCS now

@achillesworks Год назад

@@justcallmejohn2833 you should try a supercharger, you’d be surprised how good they are. The experience is literally plug and play.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Not really plug and play for any CCS EV. It's find a stall that accommodates your EV without blocking a Tesla, inch close enough to ensure the short cable reaches the port, open the Tesla app, identify and unlock the correct post, plug in, then play... hopefully! 🤞For ease of use for CCS drivers, Tesla would be third, after EVgo's Autocharge+ and ChargePoint NFC tap to pay system

@achillesworks Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Plug and play is the experience. Now, if your automaker was dumb and didn't listen to tesla in 2010, when they tried to pitch design language for EVs, that's your problem.

@raylab77 Год назад

Charging on V3 supercharger have not worked for over half a yeah here in Norway. Both Hyundai and Tesla should be aware of the problem. I reported it to Hyundai, but they just blamed Tesla. They would not escalate it higher up in the system when I reported it 7,8 month ago…

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Interesting, thanks for the confirmation. Perhaps now that it's failing right down the road from where they make the Superchargers, Tesla will make an effort to look into the issue.

@COSolar6419 Год назад

It is two miles to the nearest Supercharger but about 1,500 miles to the nearest “magic dock”.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Right, it will be interesting to see how long the minimal 10 site pilot lasts and whether V3 continues expansion, or if Tesla prefers to hold off for V4 installations and the longer cables/ground-up public Supercharger sites.

@COSolar6419 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV In some ways I am surprised Tesla has even gotten this far this soon.

@anthonyc8499 Год назад

Really weird that it wouldn't work

@rogerstarkey5390 Год назад

My guess? Firmware level on the car..... (just sayin')

@marcusrose5943 Год назад

@@rogerstarkey5390 of course couldn't be Tesla haha

@plugandplayEV Год назад

There will be oddities and hiccups with the sheer number of models trying to use a new system. I'm surprised it's not more, to be honest, but there are limited sites at this point so it's not a huge sample of models and conditions. Keeping a close eye on Plugshare to see if any I5 owners find a workaround to get the juice flowing.

@Lascarnn Год назад

Tesla should do better, and at least inform users which cars are supported (it's not the only Ioniq5 that has problems), given that EA chargers have improved a lot in terms of reliability.

@rogerstarkey5390 Год назад

1) Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. 2) Various tests have 5-6 cars of different makes and models charging simultaneously without issue. In this case, the common factor was the car..... just saying....

@Ysmir. Год назад

entitled much? tesla created those chargers for their own cars. be happy they agreed to start opening them for others even though it often means more than one place taken (as the placement of charging port may not allow to charge as tesla would) and charging stations occupied for longer than it would be necessary for a tesla car

@Lascarnn Год назад

@@Ysmir. No, they are opening them because they want also to have gov subsidies. It's in their business. Why would you think they're doing it just from good will, lol. It's just business. And if they offer a product, they should be better prepared.

@Ysmir. Год назад

@@Lascarnn they also lose because of that. Charging infrastructure working only for teslas was a very strong incentive in choosing their cars over other EVs

@jeffweingrad4658 Год назад

@@Lascarnn They get US subsidaries for opening up overseas?

@georgitasev5330 10 месяцев назад

Some ionic 5 owners are reporting that they are now getting 97kW at Tesla superchargers wirh magic dock. Are you able to verify this?

@plugandplayEV 10 месяцев назад

I've seen reports from an EV6 driver hitting 97kW as well. Unfortunately, I won't be through the NY area again to verify until October, but I'm planning a follow up video for then. Add: just checked Plugshare and none of the NY locations are showing EGMP check ins with anything better than 42kW, as at 9-20-20.

@georgitasev5330 10 месяцев назад

@@plugandplayEVgotcha. I did see some check-ins at 97kW in California. It's possible Tesla is testing software at some locations. I originally saw it in the Ionic 5 USA Facebook page which was re-shared on the ionic 5 subreddit. A few folks posted photos

@Digikidthevoiceofreason 8 месяцев назад

No such thing as an Ionic 5. Unless you meant the IONIQ 5.

@curseknight5 Год назад

i dont think ive seen any successful Ioniq 5 charging at a supercharger (US) youtube video yet... starting to wonder if it is all EGMP cars...

@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Год назад

Hopefully Ioniq 5 will get their act in gear and comply with the CCS standard .

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Not e-GMP as both GV60 and EV6 have charged with the Magic Dock solution, albeit at uncompetitive power levels. Something to do with communication between the I5 and Supercharger, it seems.

@ManfredvonHolstein Год назад

A lot of people somehow think the Ioniq 5 is to blame for these issues, and maybe it’s because it is 800V. The fact is the Ioniq 5 charges perfectly well at all 400V chargers in Japan, and there are many different ones. So clearly Tesla is to blame. Would anyone be surprised if they gave a shit whether actually any other EVs can successfully use their chargers? They are just doing it because they have to. The other point people forget is that 800V EVs are optimized for 800V charging, not 400V charging. The Ioniq 5 can take in only about 250A, so with 400V you won’t get much above 100kW. That is not exactly super. So why bother with Tesla chargers in the first place…

@plugandplayEV Год назад

I think blame in this scenario is unproductive. The bottom line is that opening up sites to CCS models means that Tesla and manufacturers need to work together to understand how the car is speaking to the charger and ensure that system works smoothly for drivers. It's the same challenge for every public CPO, with Tesla having a slight advantage in that they aren't using third party hardware from multiple vendors, so they know exactly what's happening on that side. This is also only one model out of perhaps 30-40 that have successfully charged with Telsa this week. Not all were perfect, but a success rate in the mid-high 90s is a good start for what is essentially a pilot program.

@jisa39 Год назад

Maybe it would be best if you make this videos during the day

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Not always possible. And if the site had adequate lighting, nor would it be necessary.

@jisa39 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV I understand. I mentioned it because the video was a bit dark. Cheers!

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Yep, I hear you. Family commitments during the day so this is the best I could muster in the time frame. With the site lights active it was better, but the next attempt will hopefully be aided by the sun! Thanks for the comment.

@jisa39 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Sure, I understand. I agree that lighting of the sites should be better, anyway. Cheers!

@marcusrose5943 Год назад

Haha so it's hard to work on 20 different cars with different protocols lol I think EA is like laughing saying good luck y'all thought Elon would save you 🤣

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Gonna be an interesting few months, that's for sure!

@dusty-vo8gh Год назад

Ionic 5 is the only EV not yet able to charge on SC. Not a bad record considering its been opened, to everyone, less then a week. The majority of CCS cars are able to start charging a lot faster on SC than on EA.

@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Год назад

The Ioniq5 DC/DC 400/800V converter is under rated. I’am sure an option costing several $1000 would fix the problem, hopefully theres room for it someware.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Nothing to do with the converter in this case. Other models have the same system and charged successfully. This is most likely something related to communication between the car and charger. Something is telling the Supercharger it needs to cut the session, even though the handshake has been agreed and charging session started.

@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Tesla NACS connector designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption. CCS designed by the ICE manufactories marketing department to discourage EV adoption, hoping EVs would never catch on. As an engineer dislike to see poor designs become standards. Hyundai needs to fix their problem.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Designing a connector and keeping it prohibitively proprietary for almost a decade doesn't jive with opening up EV adoption. If they'd done this 4-5 years ago before CCS was established, I might agree, but they didn't. Now, Tesla wants federal money to build out its network. That's fine, but it brings with it a responsibility to make the Supercharger network accessible to all. If they can't rise to that challenge, go back to a walled garden and the rest of us can crack on making the public network better.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

And CCS was designed and codified by SAE, literally an association of engineers. It has been a roaring success in Europe as CCS2, which Tesla has acknowledged and moved towards. No reason the same can't happen here, either with adapters or a transitional two connector period.

@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Sorry as an engineer I would have failed CCS standard in a design review early on. Tesla only used it in Europe because the huge bureaucracy was not worth the fight. The SAE was heavily influenced by ICE manufactures allowing the worst ideas of a committee to take route, unfortunately now that a poor standard has bean made it will be hard to change it. Luckily in NA the NACS rules.

@heyramineni 11 месяцев назад

Why don't you sell us the Magic Dock so we can plug it into ANY Tesla supercharger? Capitalism at work.

@KatAdair Год назад

And you took up two stall in charging your car because of the location of your port.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

No, I tried 2D first and would only have used that one, taking up a stall no Tesla would have needed. If it had worked, which it didn't, that's the one I'd have stayed on.

@KatAdair Год назад

@@plugandplayEV Thank you for doing that. I don’t know that all non-Tesla EV users will think about that potential issue. And the charging station is empty, so I don’t have a problem with it. But if our stations are full, and people are taking up two spaces, that presents a problem. Because I road trip a lot alone as a woman, and charging adds time to my trip, it’s important that I have access to a fast charging experience without a wait so I’m not on the road late at night. I’ve gained a lot of confidence in taking long trips of around 1,000 miles because I have confidence that the charging stations will be available without a wait.

@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Год назад

As a Tesla owner welcome to the Super charger network. As an engineer a few words of caution. If your charge port is poorly located for super charger usage - the cable does not stretch, don’t try to stretch it. - it only bends a few times at 90deg - if its realty tight, it will damage the NACS connector - if its realty tight, it will damage the NACS to CCS connector - if its realty tight, it will damage the CCS connector in your EV, your fault - you could cause a fire As a Tesla owner you could lose my good will. Enjoy the super charger experience.

@AlijahSimon Год назад

Now that owners of shoddy non-Tesla EVs will regularly see how much better the North American Charging Standard (NACS) is as compared to their huge, clunky, & broken CCS ports, I think even the horrible decision-makers at legacy auto companies will realize they must switch over to the Standard. Let Europe suffer with their decision to standardize CCS2 - America isn’t that stupid!

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Failed sessions. Compatibility issues. Short cables. No shelter. Poor lighting. All present in this vid and very reminiscent of the same criticisms leveled at existing public CPOs. Welcome to the party! By contrast, 30 miles down the road I used EVgo's new Delta units, fired right up with Autocharge+, and hit above 200kW at 41% SOC. I have what I need, but it's nice that Tesla is trying to join in.

@ptech88 Год назад

Everyone can now see teslas biggest advantage. All other charging networks are trash

@plugandplayEV Год назад

It didn't work.

@ptech88 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV not the tesla chargers fault.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Bottom line: 8 failed stalls on 250kW Tesla Supercharger via app. Drive 20 miles down the road to EVgo 350kW charger and immediately get 200kW plus with Autocharge. If it eventually works, Supercharger is plan C for our travel 🤷‍♂️

@ptech88 Год назад

@@plugandplayEV how easy are they to find on a long trip?

@plugandplayEV Год назад

Very easy, for me.

@stanpiers247 Год назад

Magic dock adapter should be sold to CCS public so we can find a longer cable for charging correctly at Superchargers. Tesla should also sell longer cables to public to help this work out properly.

@plugandplayEV Год назад

It does show they could have done this whenever they wanted. The Magic Dock is just a fancy term for the reverse adapter to the CCS-to-Tesla that has been out for more than a year. Pretty clear they want to limit the roll out and control the process based on receiving the federal funds they're after.

@JPRamon68 Год назад

As a Tesla owner we can see all see your frustration with the charging network and how they don’t care. Not to say we’re excited but it also shows you all what kind of company Tesla is, and that is that they care and they see your headaches over the lack of caring of the network and that’s why they are opening up their network…

@plugandplayEV Год назад

This is the most trouble I've had with any charge attempt in three years now. Not to say they won't address it, but there's no customer support line and my in-law's experience with Tesla service communication on their Model 3 hasn't been great. In any case, I'm glad the network is expanding but see no reason to use it as anything other than a plan C for our travels, at this stage.