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So there was some back and forth regarding the AI art situation for this promotional Magic the Gathering Art. It is now officially confirmed that yes, there were AI assets used. I know that AI is getting harder to recognize, but you gotta tighten this up WotC.
Polygon article: www.polygon.com/24029754/wiza...
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@Edi62768 6 месяцев назад

For a company that just fired 1100 employees less than a month ago, I see them using a lot more AI generative art in the future, no matter what guarantees they give us.

@Lord_zeel 6 месяцев назад

Do we know how many of those were from WoTC? I know some were, but I don't know if we ever found out the proportion.

@Edi62768 6 месяцев назад

@@Lord_zeel I don't know the breakdown, but last I heard, WoTC is more than half the total revenue stream for the company, so I am guessing it's had its share of layoffs.

@user-ni7ji3fb8m 6 месяцев назад

none of the fired employees are mtg artist cuz they have none on them, they ALWAYS outsourced art for mtg,

@MascisMan1 6 месяцев назад

The 1100 employees are Hasbro employees, not all WoTC. Also, the 1100 being fired is over a course of 2024. Hasbro has not fired 1100 people yet.

@kiltedcripple 6 месяцев назад

@@MascisMan1not true. I double checked several sources, those layoffs were done by the time the diet was released. They were doing the typical Fortune 500 year end firings so that on a year end stick report, they could show that losses in revenue were offset by reductions in ongoing expenses... i.e. we cut our payroll to manipulate our reports so it looks like we're still profitable.

@TheHypeGoblin 6 месяцев назад

My biggest issue with WotC's response is the wording, they're being misleading to their audience about what it's currently like to use a professional tool such as Photoshop. In Photoshop you have to use the select tool on an image, and then enter a prompt, and then click the generative fill button to use the AI tool that has "crept into" Photoshop. 🙄

@TheHypeGoblin 6 месяцев назад

Also petition for Ted to make "VTuber Ted" personal when? 😂

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

To be clear, Photoshop from it's start was an AI tool well before an "prompt" tool was added. If anyone is using Photoshop to do anything, they are using AI. Unless people aren't actually upset about AI and they are only upset about a certain type of AI. To be clear, every basic AI function of Photoshop that was there from inception has used copyrighted material to learn, including the select tool and the fill tool, etc.

@JKSSubstandard 6 месяцев назад

I think their point is, if AI tools are now implemented as a standard in photoshopped, it could be very difficult to police it's use by contractors

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

@@JKSSubstandard But this is kind of a false dichotomy. AI tools aren't being implemented as a standard in photoshopping. Photshop was explicitly an AI tool long before the AI discussion happened. Photoshop from it's origin was an AI tool.

@Lord_zeel 6 месяцев назад

@@dwil0311 "From its origin" is a stretch. Even the most basic machine learning powered tools in PS aren't all that old, the the addition of "generative AI" (terrible term) is very new. Most of what Photoshop does is really just bog standard image editing stuff, the main reason it's so popular is that it does it all. Yes, it has some really neat special features too like content-aware scaling, but that's not ML either. I've implemented that algorithm myself before in college, it's a really cool technique but it isn't AI. Don't mistake advanced and clever algorithms for AI. Heck, don't mistake machine learning for AI. Even ChatGPT is about as "AI" as a Hotwheels is a "car".

@notronsivart 6 месяцев назад

"We didn't realize you guys would be so good at picking these things out. Our bad." All in all, I don't think I have a problem with AI used in marketing and ads, BUT when I pay money for a product I want real art created by real humans. Market the product however you want, it's your money. But when I pay, it's my money.

@tonysladky8925 6 месяцев назад

The confident denial followed by sniveling retraction is the part that galls me. I don't think anyone is asking WOTC to know for certain every time and never make a mistake, but when thousands of people- including respected artists and ADs you've worked with in the past- are calling it out, and you can't know for certain if an artist followed your guidelines, the statement shouldn't be "This is impossible. You're making crazy accusations. Okay turns out you were right, and it was AI." It should be "These are serious allegations. We're looking into them."

@lschantz64 6 месяцев назад

Maybe had Hasbro not fired a bunch of people they would have the people to double check everything.

@joshuahendershot196 6 месяцев назад

On the topic of AI content creation The Spiffing Brit did a terrifying video about a year back where he made an entire video using AI and it showed to terrifying extent how efficacious ai is at replicating a youtuber's style Another example is from the RU-vidr TheRussianBadger, one of his friends skulker used AI to replicate several of their other friends voices to terrifying accuracy

@NerdImmersion 6 месяцев назад

Yeah, it's pretty wild. That's also I guess a way your favorite RU-vid could keep making videos after they're gone, though that might be questionable.

@projectrallus 6 месяцев назад

The art director had nothing to do with the Bigby's situation except for ordering the replacement art. The artist in question did it all themselves and they were an artist who had been contributing since the beginning so they didn't expect it from them

@lokuzt 6 месяцев назад

But that's part of the role of an art director: editorial notes before anything is sent to print.

@ultimate9056 6 месяцев назад

The artist had on their professional page been very open about their use of ai in their artworks. It's 100% on WOTC for not even looking at the contractors they are getting to make art

@NerdImmersion 6 месяцев назад

Also I want to be clear, regardless of your thoughts on AI art, the future, etc. The main issue that I have is how WotC handled it. Stating things like: we understand the confusion but this art was created by humans not AI. Then when people called it out: well, it turns out we made a mistake it did use AI tools. And then trying to blame it on Photoshop

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

When WotC is contracting their art out to humans and explicitly stating their AI policy to those, I think it's quite a reasonable response by WotC to say that the art was created by humans. In fact, if they did as you suggest and assume that all people they contract are acting in bad faith at all times, then everyone would be criticizing them for that.

@TalkativeHands 6 месяцев назад

Maybe they wouldn't have to deal with shady third parties if they didn't just get rid of a large section of their in house artist. All in all this doesn't feel like a large scandal or even a minor one.

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

They didn't just get rid of a large section of their in house artist. Not sure where you are getting this idea.

@LandonTheDM 6 месяцев назад

Here are my thoughts, WotC paid someone to make them art and that someone/company while knowing WotC stance on generative ai used it in the art they made. It's a lot like if a kosher Jewish person paid a butcher to make them 100% beef hot dogs with no pork and the butcher gave them 30% pork 70% beef hotdogs. The person who ordered the hotdogs would have assumed the butcher would have followed the request, felt it safe to tell their kosher friends, this is 100% beef. That's how the article feels to me

@AlephSharp 6 месяцев назад

Except jews have a little thing called Kashrus certification, that is basically someone who knows the rules watching while the person cooks to make sure they follow the rules of kosher. If they dont have the certification, than most people who follow kosher wont eat it. It seems to me wizards needs a policy or some such thing that if you use ai in your art, you are never getting hired again by wizards and suffer a financial penalty, since you didnt create the piece and they cant copyright it

@LandonTheDM 6 месяцев назад

@@AlephSharp I'm sure that that certification came about with some sort of mistakes based on trusting them to follow what they requested and the those not keeping it up. That's how a lot regulations get put in place

@Lord_zeel 6 месяцев назад

Basically. The same was the case for Bigby, but at that point they had not officially banned it, and the art had been submitted far earlier still. Part of this new landscape, is that they are going to have to stop saying "no definitely not" when someone calls this sort of thing out, and instead say "not that we're aware of, but we will double check." Because half the problem is that they outright denied the use of "AI" in this art, which they thought was true, but had not yet fully verified. They spoke too soon, despite knowing that it's a possibility that someone broke the rules.

@Lord_zeel 6 месяцев назад

@@AlephSharp I suspect similar types of certification for 100% human created art will be forthcoming in the next year or so. It's not as if god said "don't eat pork" and people immediately appeared to certify the production of sausage, that's an industry that's developed over centuries. This one too, will take some time.

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

This is the correct take

@Malvisk 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for clarifying this issue. I was confused on who is driving who's art

@timjohnson2533 6 месяцев назад

Next it'll be writers and designers. Any way they can rip the 'craft' out of this hobby and inject it with mediocre trash to make that line go up. Instead of extra fingers and emotionless uncanny-valley eyes, you'll be asked to roll a D23 to hit, and do 2d14 + M damage to the Bhawgburr Simpson Handle. But hey, those savings will be passed onto the consumer like it always has been in history when 'automation' became king, right? ..Right?

@notronsivart 6 месяцев назад

That's a big thing too. For companies that end up using AI won't be passing the savings on to the customer.

@Wunderkind04 6 месяцев назад

I like AI art for myself. As in, when I'm creating characters for D&D campaigns, just because I'm bored, or for something like Pathfinder: WotR where I can use my own portrait, it's fine. It's fun, it's harmless, and someone like me, who has zero artistic talent, can do it with ease. But when I'm buying a product, I expect that product to be professionally created and fine-tuned, not created with AI. If AI is used to create products and card art, then some schmuck like me could be getting paid to do it for 20 minutes of my time. It's not right.

@mattg6106 6 месяцев назад

That's exactly the point. Corporations like these are embracing AI simply because it's cheap and quick. They prefer saving money and employing fewer creatives, keeping more money in their own pockets, over producing quality products and the more they can normalize that the better (in their minds). It's always about maximizing profits, and to them things like fair wages and workers' rights get in the way of that.

@MascisMan1 6 месяцев назад

@@mattg6106 Corporations don't owe anything to the working public other than what is legally bound. They don't owe the public jobs. But yes, a publicly traded company reports to shareholders and a Board of Directors which are usually profit driven. WoTC is not a charity, its a FOR PROFIT business. Not an "Employ as many people we can" business. Are they breaking the law in regards to wages and worker's rights? No. The whole outrage over "I can't believe the for-profit company is making business decisions to make more profit," is illogical, immature, and tired. If someone doesn't like the decisions they are making don't support them, support the smaller competitor that will eventually be faced with similar business decisions once they grow from your support.

@ben5056 6 месяцев назад

I don't see a way for the profession of artist to remain the same. They will have to adapt or lose their ability to earn income.

@mattg6106 6 месяцев назад

The thing is that the only 'adapting' artists can do that will keep them in these professions is accepting pay decreases and an increase in output. That's why AI is being championed by these corporations; it's a fast and cheap alternative. Even if the overall end quality is lower it will eventually be accepted and moved on from if they keep pushing it. That means they can employ fewer people for less pay to output more work. Only those at the very top will benefit. It's the capitalist's wet dream. The biggest problem with this is that currently Generative AI works by cannibalizing already existing artwork, most of which is copyrighted by their creators, none of which gave consent to be used in these databases. Some artists' names have even been used as prompts themselves to try and generate images in their style as opposed to just hiring them to do the work. Another problem this presents is that it is actively making future art and illustration skills less accessible, especially to people with lower incomes. Instead of picking up a pencil and some paper for next to nothing and beginning your art journey you will be required to pay for a subscription to some gAI software after you somehow buy a PC that can use it.

@ben5056 6 месяцев назад

@mattg6106 I agree that copyright laws need to be updated and that artists unwittingly used in databases need to be compensated. As you mentioned, the benefits to corporations are much too large for things to return to how they were. Realistically, the average artist will be forced to use tools if they wish to make a living wage or find a niche where the AI tolls can't be used.

@ApocryphalPress 6 месяцев назад

Just a question: They banned AI art in December of 2023 and now it's current January of 2024. So how recently was this art made? Was it made before the ban and forgotten about/not rechecked; or, was it made after the ban and admittedly just not realized? I don't want to say that they're not an evil corporation, but humans work in those corporations and given they just let go a bunch of people, perhaps this just slipped by.

@johnathanrooley8694 6 месяцев назад

That's a very valid point

@notronsivart 6 месяцев назад

I also don't really see a huge issue with using it in marketing. Ads aren't the product. However, that creates a slippery slope.

@mrmuffins951 6 месяцев назад

I of course am not surprised that a corporation is being shitty, but it seems kinda like a no win situation because they support freelance artists and when they do that, they don’t have as much oversight into how the art was made

@jocelyngray6306 6 месяцев назад

This proves the art managers aren't artists if they can't spot it right away. They wouldn't be having this problem if they hired artists and didn't use freelancers.

@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket 6 месяцев назад

I got Glory of the Giants super early and it was the AI art, about a week or three later I got a second copy for a buddy and it was not AI art.

@JB-wc9cr 6 месяцев назад

Their tone with the fans is the issue

@NerdImmersion 6 месяцев назад

This

@VestigialLung 6 месяцев назад

Technically they only banned using AI to create a final product. Letter of the law, so long as a human tweaks the “art” the AI spits out, it’s policy compliant. Like letter of the law, I could fire up an AI art program, have it spit out some art, select a piece, recolor a few things manually, and submit it to Wizards. The AI didn’t create the final product; I did in changing it.

@VestigialLung 6 месяцев назад

Not saying they have the right of it, just don’t want it to get missed that WotC baked the ability to use AI art into their policy purportedly banning the use of AI art, and I can’t imagine that was an accident. Expect more “whoopsie” moments from them going forward.

@swolerabbit 6 месяцев назад

kinda like wotc shouldn’t have fired all of their art directors, huh…

@projectrallus 6 месяцев назад

They didn't. Hasbro did.

@swolerabbit 6 месяцев назад

@@projectrallus cool

@jamesonstalanthasyu 6 месяцев назад

I believe Mr Welch uses an AI voice. It was at first for all his scifi stuff last year, but it could be more, or less, he stopped saying if it was the ai voice or not.

@shanegibbens 6 месяцев назад

Pretty sure wotc is outsourcing the art over seas via term "vender" and lack of control over the art. Also cheaper to do this which wotc wants as they fired so many people instead of bog executives taking paycuts.

@enrif3099 6 месяцев назад

So, to get this straight: In the Bigby Book, there was no art entierly created by AI. Instead an artist used AI on their own art. Which is fine in my book, as the underlying art was still made by the artist, not AI. And this time AI was not used in the art of the actual product, but for the background of a promotional shot. And why is this a big issue? No one is buying the promotional art, it is free for us. The actual product that is sold, has no AI art. So, what is the exact problem here? No one gives two cents about some background promotional stuff. It is not sold. AI is not an issue. It will become part of our daily live. I used AI for a bit of stuff for my own amusement. And after all i used and seen, calling it stealing art from others, then a human watching someone elses work and coping it in the same or similar style is stealing as well. The artists doesn't get anything from other people for copying their art in a manual way either.

@commentary4298 6 месяцев назад

Soon not having artists use AI tools will be like asking them to paint without a brush

@Jason-96 6 месяцев назад

I am loving ChatGPT right now. I'm not so into the pictures and/or videos yet...

@richarddaniel4053 6 месяцев назад

Wizards of the coast didn't lie. No ai was used on the cards.

@kevindaniel1337 6 месяцев назад

Its Wizards, its absolutely relevant.

@benjaminkowal7310 6 месяцев назад

The dangers of outsourcing

@jimmyrepine8952 6 месяцев назад

It was an outside marketing company.... but yes, they USED it, but they didn't make it.

@jonstarritt848 6 месяцев назад

Step 1: Stop buying anything from Hasbro/WoTC. Step 2: Berate all "influencers" and "content creators" to stop buying from Hasbro/WoTC. Otherwise they are actively, knowingly, and willingly contributing to the problem(s). Step 3: Find another TTRPG or card game to replace your addiction, or use what you already have without giving Hasbro/WoTC any more underserved revenue.

@GiganticPawUnit 6 месяцев назад

Now hold on, by far the majority of vtubers are just casually talking themselves and using motion tracking, just letting their 3d model take the place of a face cam. Granted, it would be a way to cover up AI generation, but only if their voice synthesis was perfect and the language used was natural - otherwise, it would be especially easy to call out for vtuber fans, who are used to picking up on a streamer's personality and mannerisms through their animated character.

@thomassynths 6 месяцев назад

The problem isn't that they use AI art. The problem is their blatant hypocrisy due to publicly denouncing its use in their products.

@TheBahamaat 6 месяцев назад

Evidence of a company going through cutbacks, they are not paying attention (or thinking about) the little things, no one is looking big picture, everyone is in triage mode - deal with the biggest fire first, try to make do with less (less budget, less staff, less time to stop and think, etc). They need to hit pause on things and really get their legs under them or they will become predatory venture capital prey (aka vulture fund bait).

@Lord_zeel 6 месяцев назад

That's an easy thing to say as an outsider, but be warry of trying to guess how a company is functioning on the inside based only on what we can see outside of it. I think it's much more likely that WoTC just assumed that says "no AI" was enough and/or the people that review artwork for marketing material just don't know enough to identify generative artifact. They looked at the image, it looked cool, and they moved on. I don't think we can read much more into it.

@TheBahamaat 6 месяцев назад

@@Lord_zeel I say it as someone who has lived it in the public and private sector. They just had a series of bad hits this year, twice now on AI art policy and not paying attention to detail, management just axed 1100 staff. Even if everything is hunky dory the post-holiday funk + adjusting to the layoffs would mean uncertainty in approval chains and reaction to social media events in their comms department. But more telling is the falling back to "you're misinformed and wrong" as their holding lines over the weekend while the response process figured out what happened, if it was true, and came up with an answer. That approach to communication holding lines got them in so much trouble last year, when, as he says in the video a simple "hold on, it's the weekend, let me look into things" would have saved them at least one freelancer walking away.

@bloodyirishman9155 6 месяцев назад

Problem is A.I. isn't going anywhere and is going to be quickly become impossible to detect.

@creatorsmafia 6 месяцев назад

It's disappointing to see the impact on artists and the lack of clear communication.

@philipmeade7789 6 месяцев назад

I would call it AI images, not AI art. Calling it art is unnecessarily generous

@jacksonfurlong3757 6 месяцев назад

Now that they're phasing out actual artists, can we get a commensurate price cut at least?

@nailguncrouch1017 6 месяцев назад

Ha ha ha, surely you gest.

@Lord_zeel 6 месяцев назад

They literally aren't doing that.

@jason7120 6 месяцев назад

As long as it's not in the cards or in the books I really don't care at that point. They are buying stuff from Vendors and its hard to keep up what the Third party differences.

@tiakeravelonna 6 месяцев назад

I think that's what they tried: a lie of omission. The *card* art was from humans, so they kept their promise.

@jason7120 6 месяцев назад

@@tiakeravelonna I think that's all that really matters

@Rastayeti666 6 месяцев назад

Lets be honest, i totaslly understand the demand for art in books or magic cards, but for marketing material? i mean, imagine office workers would have demanded to still use print on paper instead of data. Things changing, and to ignore this is no solution, the solution is embrace the future without to many people thrown under a bus. Btw, the quality of art at wotc is getting worse from year to year, ai art would be an enhancment of the situation for the consumers

@richarddaniel4053 6 месяцев назад

The background art is not gonna be on the cards . The artwork on the cards is all none ai work sooo please people give me a break and stop this crap!!!!!

@ChaosNothingAD 6 месяцев назад

Of course they did. Why would anyone believe anything they say?

@dmken7244 6 месяцев назад

i guess i am just an oddball. AI art doesnt bother me as much as it seems to bother the majority of the community

@absyntheproductions3330 6 месяцев назад

Modern movies look worse than the Lord of the rings trilogy. CGI is getting lazy too

@alexandrudorries3307 6 месяцев назад

More like lapsing industry standards are forcing studios to constantly overwork their teams for the sake of grinding out content as quickly as humanly possible leading to high turnover rates in a job sector that was already famously insecure for its workers.

@aodhfyn2429 6 месяцев назад

"Getting" might be the wrong word.

@TalkativeHands 6 месяцев назад

It's not that CGI is getting lazy but the studios are abusing it and overworking the crew. Example with Marvel everything is green screen, the threats are CGI, and the actors don't even wear mask anymore they CGI it on or off. At this point make an animated movie.

@TheBahamaat 6 месяцев назад

It's the lack of time to turn around. LOTR used a lot of CGI with AI assist as well - especially for the mass battles (there was a thing for a while in Return of the King to identify the repeated CGI-randomized images of extras in the orc horde - also, funnily enough, one of the reasons why no one in Middle Earth does actual tactics in any of the battles - because distinct lines of different fighters are hard to scale up without looking like they were cut and pasted). LOTR looks as good as it did at the time, because the CGI artists had a long time to work on the visual effects. When you shorten that up, you get the Marvel movies sameness to everything. Checking for artifacts and screwed up rendering fills takes time and attention to detail. Not something a freelancer can have 2 weeks to pump out and flip to the marketing department.

@investigatingdwarf 6 месяцев назад

Is anyone surprised? This is modern WotC, they are purely money driven.

@LV99guy 6 месяцев назад

AI art reminds me of autoTune or CGI as much as people hate it is a tool. Used in the right hand, it can be good. It can be bad.

@Lord_zeel 6 месяцев назад

I fully agree. I think it's reasonable to expect certain things of large companies though - such as making sure they are paying real artists for every piece - but I would really not be bothered by those artists using generative tools in their process. Though... maybe clean it up a bit better. This was just for an ad, so who cares really, but if it's for a book you have to make sure the art is still GOOD regardless of how you make it. That being said, if the community at large feels like any form of generative art in these products isn't acceptable, then WoTC needs to heed that, or they will face the consequences.

@LV99guy 6 месяцев назад

@Lord_zeel the biggest issue i see is how someone could ensure AI wasn't used. Once AI is practically perfect, no one will be able to determine the difference. Companies will have to accept that their artists are using AI.

@mattg6106 6 месяцев назад

@@LV99guy The companies would prefer their employees to use AI, it's the artists that are pushing back. For companies all it means is more work pushed out at a cheaper rate, even if it is lower quality. For the actual human artists it means a pay decrease, loss of benefits, increased expectations, and possibly the loss of their job while having their artwork actively contributing to the product by being in the database anyhow.

@chaqalaqalaqa 6 месяцев назад

AI artwork is here to stay. I do sympathize with the art community and I see why people are against it, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle on these sorts of things. I don't really think it's any different than when artists moved from physical mediums to digital and then to using aids like Photoshop. Artists will now need to adapt to having an AI create their first pass and then using Photoshop or other apps to continue the work and touch it up. It's just an evolution of the field. As a software engineer, we're embracing AI coding assistants and we use chat GPT to help write our code. But we also have always had a different view of "ownership" of our work

@ericb9804 6 месяцев назад

But "art" is probably the quintessential human activity - the one thing we do solely for the act of doing it. There is certain analogy to digital aids like Photoshop, but I think many people have an intuition that after a line is crossed when using AI, then the art is no longer "real." No one cares that I use AI to write my python, or even promotional material like in this example, but they don't want to be deceived about the origin of a piece of "art."

@OnigoroshiZero 6 месяцев назад

I don't care who or what made it as long as the art used is good. I've been using AI for everything I do (brainstorming ideas for lore, characters, game design/developing, art, writing, and a few other things) in the last 8-9 months, and I will never go back. AI is better, cheaper, and faster, there is no debate about this, and it will only get better in every aspect with every passing week.

@mattg6106 6 месяцев назад

AI is cheaper and faster, I will grant you that, but it's far from better if you look at the details for more than half a second. And it being cheaper and faster is only better if you're the one at the top of the corporate ladder. For everyone else it's just going to mean less pay, fewer benefits, fewer jobs, less job security and more expected output. Not to mention the tech is quite literally built on the backs of (stolen from) real peoples' copyrighted works.

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

This is the correct take.

@mattg6106 6 месяцев назад

@@dwil0311 yeah, that explains why you don't understand how human artists learn and create art.

@SwedishWookie 6 месяцев назад

Man their wording is so sleazy and gas light-y. It's like watching a parody of a disgusting megacorp. But it's real life...

@oldfartrick 6 месяцев назад

So it was for 2023, so it is for 2024. Hasbro are a dumpster fire.

@n8gibbs464 6 месяцев назад

Ai is going to become like the calculator for the humanities. The toothpaste is out of the tube no turning back. Yes the art is weird now but it won’t stay that way for long.

@mattg6106 6 месяцев назад

The more these companies can normalize it the better off their shareholders will be, so they will push it hard. And everyone else will suffer for it.

@thebeanz7838 6 месяцев назад

Honestly I don't have an issue at all with the use of AI. It's already used in every industry, it's already integrated in almost everything. My issue is that WoTC isn't just being honest about it

@michaelpinkston2602 6 месяцев назад

Not unexpected from WOTC. Please start covering other rpgs. Stop giving WOTC free advertisement.

@LJLvids 6 месяцев назад

It's like they're addicted to making choices that make people angry at them. Christ.

@PsyrenXY 6 месяцев назад

They chose to be lied to by the contracted artist? Or by Adobe?

@LJLvids 6 месяцев назад

@@PsyrenXY Okay, to be completely fair and honest I commented that before watching too far into the video. But, that said, many of their other choices of late still make me feel that way. And let's not forget, even if it's not their fault for creating the image, it's still their fault for not being diligent in checking what they post. I took 2 years of design classes, if I handed something like that in with my teachers and they didn't check it for mistakes before using my work that's as much on them as it would have been on me. Also adobe didn't lie to them. AI generative stuff is implemented in photoshop but it's still not easy to 'accidentally' include it in your work. You still have to choose to click on all the buttons to make that happen.

@mattg6106 6 месяцев назад

@@LJLvids I'm an artist that has used Photoshop extensively for years and can say with absolute confidence that there is no 'accidentally' using the AI part of it. They most likely contracted someone because that someone quoted them less and provided 'good enough' results. The fact that they didn't have anyone at WoTC notice that AI was used in the creation of this image does however show that they either, A) didn't care, or B) have an art director that didn't bother/didn't have the time to actually look it over.

@LJLvids 6 месяцев назад

@@mattg6106 my thoughts exactly

@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982 6 месяцев назад

I think people think wizards is using in house artists using AI art. Instead that the contracted artists that are using AI without their knowledge. Artists need to figure out the AI thing or they will be left in the cold. Big companies don't care about you anymore. Is an artist using AI not an artist anymore?

@ericb9804 6 месяцев назад

I think the point is we want to know when something is AI. I think many people have a justifiable repulsion to AI "art" being passed off as something human. Promotional material may be fine, but putting AI on cards is huge turn-off.

@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982 6 месяцев назад

@ericb9804 What if some cards are 100% AI? Would you still support magic. Even though an artist uses AI to create it.

@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982 6 месяцев назад

@ericb9804 I think the fear is a artist lost a job to a computer because a non artist used AI to generate the art. If I used to pay a person to do my art and now I can get close to the same art myself using AI that is now considered a bad thing.

@ericb9804 6 месяцев назад

@@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982 I suppose it depends on the details, but probably not. Would you? Have you used an AI art generator? Its certainly not difficult, and I would hardly describe the experience as one of "creating art," in any meaningful sense. AI clearly isn't superior to human art, its just cheaper, so knowing AI was used would only emphasize my role as consumer cog in corporate wheel - a role I play anyway, sure, but one I don't like to dwell on. I like the idea of a trained artist using skills I don't have to create from their own imagination, unconstrained by whatever AI thinks they "meant." I would pay a premium to know that that is what I am getting.

@ericb9804 6 месяцев назад

@@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982 No, its not necessarily a "bad thing," but we're all in this together, aren't we? if you want to use AI to make your own pictures, go for it, but when a company uses it solely as a cost saving device to increase corporate profits, then its unclear why I would want to support such practices.

@waynesardullo2482 6 месяцев назад

As long as people are willing to spend money, Companies will BS there ways to profit. WotC is so full of Shit, I blame the players who are willing to dump money into this company. Its time to let it go. We can still play the game as old, we don't need new stuff. Time to cut the cord and move on.

@PsyrenXY 6 месяцев назад

No, how about you spend your money on what you want and we do the same with ours

@MascisMan1 6 месяцев назад

Oh my gosh, we aren't even talking about the art, we are talking about the backdrop on a piece of marketing material. Give me a break.

@jcblebowski 6 месяцев назад

Who cares?! So much fake outrage over this, I’ve unsubbed from several RU-vidrs cuz they can’t resist jumping on the WotC hate train.

@mikegrant8031 6 месяцев назад

For the record I don't care ai or not. I either like the art or not.

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

Oh my god, just stop. Please stop with the "AI BAD" stupid rhetoric. Not to single NerdImmersion out, it's pretty universal among this virtue signal crowd. The same crowd that does the whole "WotC BAD" dance.

@WestLightz 6 месяцев назад

did they pay the artists that their ai uses for reference? if not its just theft right? seems pretty simple

@DM_Bluddworth 6 месяцев назад

It’s not that they are using AI art, it’s a matter of WOTC lying about it. It’s just like how they handled the OGL debacle when they LIED about it being “just a draft”.

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

@@DM_Bluddworth My point is they shouldn't even have to lie. You very well know if that they had admitted it from the beginning, they would've been heavily criticized. If you really think people are upset that they lied, you are not being honest.

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

@@WestLightz It's not theft. Unless you think every other artist is guilty of theft. The AI is following the exact same process that humans follow. But for some reason people are upset when computers use the exact same computational processes as a human brain. Unless you are unwilling to admit that humans train their artistry on copyrighted material.

@fallingstar_Yas 6 месяцев назад

@@DM_Bluddworththat’s what I’m saying. Like if ur going to use Ai then own it. Lying just makes the situation worse

@deathsarch2000 6 месяцев назад

AI art is here to stay there is no reason for them not to use it. Yes also use “human” created art as well but people still crying over AI art is a bit much imo. Yes the more AI art they use the cheaper some of there products should be. You can both blame corporate greed and the thing people don’t want to admit artists overcharging.

@JustinTotino 6 месяцев назад

So you think artists should not be paid for their work? Got it.

@The_Crimson_Witch 6 месяцев назад

It's not about having reasons not to use it, it's about the reasons they have for using it. Being made redundant with no job security shouldn't be brushed aside as a concern. As for artists overcharging, this isn't a common practice. I've seen many artists underselling themselves. The expensive ones are charging more because there is generally greater demand for their work and so their limited time is more valuable.

@deathsarch2000 6 месяцев назад

@@JustinTotino never said that. Artist should always get paid, as an artist I enjoy getting paid but I’m not so unrealistic to think AI should not be used. Way more of us use it than you think. A mega company needing disposable art is gonna use AI that’s basic business.

@dwil0311 6 месяцев назад

@@JustinTotino Artists are paid for the work if it is of a quality that people are willing to pay for. I just wish people brought this kind of energy when Photoshop was created. Do people not realize that Photoshop is AI that is trained on copyrighted material? Yet the art industry adjusted to the new age.

@agilemind6241 6 месяцев назад

@@JustinTotino Individual corporations are not going to be able to stop people using AI art, even if they used only internal artists and banned / blocked all AI art websites on their premises, some overworked / stressed employee is going to just use AI at home either to make the basic image which they then manually touch up or to modify the colour scheme, style or lighting of an image they made to fit the specs their boss demands. There are so many tools now that are so easily available there is no way to stop it. It's like when traditional artists decried the invention of digital art. Yes, this absolutely sucks for artists, and its a shame this is happening to them. But the ONLY way to have any sort of control over this is through government regulation. If and only if the government makes a law requiring commercial AI to pay for the data used to train that AI will artists have a chance to survive as they currently do, otherwise we are going to see a massive shift in the art industry and yes that is going to mean the skill that many people have spent decades perfecting are going to be made obsolete, which absolutely sucks, but this is the nature of technology. We don't have professional weavers any more because technology made their skills obsolete decades ago, same for a huge amount of the manufacturing industry, now it is the turn for creatives.

@noran6029 6 месяцев назад

This is such a non-issue

@lokuzt 6 месяцев назад

My former roommate is a professional illustrator (Daniel Teran) . He's been continuously getting offered less and less money, and the deadlines are being shortened because companies are comparing his rates with those of a troop of unskilled, untrained and lazy dudes from India who flood the market with AI generated stuff that are just copy-pasted prompts from stolen libraries. That this is a non-issue for you doesn't mean that its a non-issue for everyone