I shoot a black widow recurve, 50 lbs @32"draw. I shoot Black Eagle Deep impact arrows 34"long. Most arrows aren't long enough. I was talking to Michael Treadway at TBOF shoot, and a guy came up and asked Michael if he had any longbows @ 65 lbs or better? Michael asked what for? The man said he was going hunting for Elk. Michael showed him his personal longbow that was 45 lbs the guy said it was gorgeous but not enough poundage. Micheal replied...well it shot completely through an Elk last year, just gotta hit right.
My one elk was killed with my 53 lb Black widow recurve at 35 yards. It entered behind the last rib and penetrated a few inches out the front shoulder. It was a Zwicky Eskimo broadhead. He went 60 yards.
A few years ago I walked into an archery shop. The owner had died and his wife was selling out. There was 2 old faded packages of zwickey black diamonds. I bought them all for $10 and still shoot them off my 50# longbow I made from Osage orange.
My new favorite channel right here! I never got to hunt with my Grandad cuz he passed when I was real young but Mr. Carter, this is the next best thing. Thank you Brother.
My last two deer were killed with my 50# recurve and magnus 125 gr. Killerbees. I used the same arrow and broadhead for both a few days apart. I switched this year to my 65# wildcat 2 so hopefully it will draw blood in the morning. Tomorrow is NC opening day. Thank you for the awesome informative video btw.
Thanks for the video ,I always pay attention when you speak . The comments on bow weight really hit home as I’m having a hard time getting off shooting heavier bows but know I’ll be fine with bows in the 40’s Love the videos and your plain spoken common sense approach to things
I do think that first hitting the minimum of the State/Province you are in is important for big game, then go from there. However, I do think that in case of South Dakota (where I live) and Pennsylvania that 30 pounds for Deer at least is too light and a minimum of 35 pounds is best unless one was using a very high FPS performance compound bow at/over 310 FPS as tested with own gear. You can get away with under 35 pounds for Turkey in these two states but only if you have good aim and hit in general vital area around 80% or higher.
I love all your videos. But I was wondering if you could make a video of you sharpening your Simmons broadens. And if you don't mind where do you live in GA
Ive been a silent admirer for a few years of your stuff, you're the type of guy people my age are gonna be telling stories about in 40 years. Any chance of you and jason samkowiak doing a collaboration pig hunt this winter?
Thanks for speaking the truth I’m right with you Ted Nugent shoots 45 pounds his wife shoots 35 pounds I think any poundage is legal now in Texas I used Muzzy 100 grain 3 blade when I was hunting a lot About to get started again and I’m sticking with the same head I think it’s 1 3/16 trocar tip always worked well I like more poundage for speed mostly and I’m comfortable with that It’s a compound Anyway I’m not about myths and bragging people I had a friend that used to say I shoot ‘em in the heart with my 30 0 6 Never had one run I took him to Fredericksburg Tx and showed him different He was a good shot just a bad liar I told him I go by what I see and what I know Enjoy your video friend
I killed many deer using the Muzzy 90rn 4bld. They always flew perfect, making shot placement right, they never failed.me. I live on ground that was an old Indian settlement. The Indians used to do a lot of trading with Pilgrims and settlers. Many of my past neighbors have found tables full of arrow heads, spear heads and hatchet head rocks. I have only been blessed to have found one arrow head. I try to take it with me when I hunt every season in my area.
I shoot a Eskimo head 125 gr with a 100 gr steel insert it blows straight through them 600 gr arrow total weight with broadhead shooting a 40 lbs long bow at my 27 inch draw I don’t shoot over 15 yards I like them close your videos are spot on shot placement shot placement shot placement is the key you are spot on with that
I have points that I have found that are smaller than the ones you found in my studying of the native Americans of where I live in Central AL NOT FAR from GA the people used Blowguns
On the money...people buy a 1000k bow every year makes no since to me have to shoot 325 fps.....woodsmanship is also what kills deer. I shot a 56 pound compound that is 15 years old..kills them dead every year
I've just discovered your video videos and they are a pleasure to watch. You bring a calmness to the sport that we love, no first bumping, no hoorahing(sp), no patting yourself on the back. You sir appear to be the real deal and I appreciate that, thank you.
Robert, those small stone points are often called “bird points” by collector’s. Several folks have done experiments with them (Billy Berger has a RU-vid vid on this), and they certainly will penetrate vitals and kill deer. The small heads have several advantages, mostly that they are easier to produce and shoot from lighter bows. I enjoy your content. Thank you
You are hunting with the same mentality as the native Indians had to have so it makes sense They had to make their own stuff and it had to work They would sharpen their heads by chipping the side to make an edge and they could get them pretty sharp They had to eat so they knew how to hunt and where to make lethal shots
Not sure will you respond but a few swamp guides I watched & one vuide in Africa used a dog & explained that wounded deer & antelope have a gland in hooves that emit a different scent when wounded. Almost ended their losses. Alberta here. Most years take my 30-06 as we have grizzly here & other nasties. Drop by my channel.
Robert, are the Simmons for right or left fletched arrows? I couldn't find any info on their web site. Thanks! I always learn from your videos. God bless
I completely agree on bow poundage. I use an 37# Sitka Perfection recurve that slays the deer, pass throughs on some shots. Maryland requires 30#'s to hunt deer with, and I have know doubt that 30#'s will get the job done too! Great video, thanks for posting!
Literally, just after I watched a video of you hunting pigs with your traditional equipment, I got on Lancaster archery and ordered a recurve bow. Your content is outstanding. Better than 99% of the other stuff I've watched. God Bless you sir
Blood trails depend on shot placement. Low lung is lots of blood. Mid lung is less and high lung little. They penetrate good for the light pounds I shoot.
Wow he said he's a T-Rex a 25 inch draw length or a Hobbit? Ha Ha they still sell snuffers,... they call them woodsman's now you get them at 3Rivers Archery.
Woodsman's and snuffers are not the same. Both good heads but the woodsman is not as wide. My draw is short from a bad neck and shoulder. Probably injured from packing out hundreds of longbow killed critters....with a short draw.
Hi Mr Carter, in your professional opinion, which broadheads would you choose if you were building hunting arrows, simmons broadheads or single bevel abowyer? Thank you
I just got a Oneida Hickory flatbow set at 35#. I have a 29-30 in draw however but this made me feel a lot better about my choice to go lighter. Hoping to put one down here in the fall.
I hate to correct you so directly, sir. But that bare razor you had you held up was a Bear Super Razorhead SS. That's the stained steel screw in version of the older Bear.Razorhead that glued on to wooden shafts. I killed three muledeer with those back in the eighties. Unfortunately the stainless steel version did not live up to the legacy of the even older Bear Razorheads. The old carbon steel heads would almost never bend like that, but the new stainless steal ones were known to.
@@robertcarte95 I wouldn't. have mentioned it except that's what I started with on wooden arrows. And when I saw the SS and aluminum feerule, I put em right on my 2216's and loved it the first two times, then I had an angular bend like that, and another in a log when I missed. I tell you, thoigh, I really hate that Magnus stopped l making those glue -on heads! You do great work! God bless.
Thank you thank you for this video Sir! You got the mail straight on the head! Shot placement through and through. Everything I’ve ever hit well with my 40lb limbs is dead and they died quick. 30 or 40lb more wouldn’t have killed em any better! Shoot a bow you can handle well and take responsible shots with it, not fire off arrows all over the place from a bow you can’t handle.
Ötzi the Iceman from about 3300 B.C. had a bow and a quiver of arrows with him. From the looks of it, he was very successful with that setup - not one piece of metal, carbon fiber and no gears and pulleys. I'll stick with my stickbow and stay traditional as I can for pigs, deer, turkey, elk.... Love your site.
When I was a kid in the 60s, I'd find the tiny heads and we called them bird heads, no idea for sure. I'd trade them for 22 shells. Had everything but the Simmons and still use most of them. Also have some Deadheads, rather big wide heads. Killed a lot of game with the various two blade bear heads from glue on to stainless steel Razorhead lights. Actually shot a doe between the eyes one time with about a 35 lb bow. I shot down at her and she raised her head up as I did, the arrow punched out and barely into her ribs, still have that skull with the arrow in it. and yes, you have to pick a spot and hit that spot to be the good hunter. The first really good longbow that I ever shot and wish that I still had was a 45# Dan Quillian Bamboo Longhunter. it was a very sweet shooting bow and I took a lot of game with it. it got stolen. The gnats are a part of life for a lot of us and like you, they get very old very quickly. I shoot mostly 45# and less with several bows 42# or less. Shot placement with sharp heads is the most important thing, too many are simply over bowed. And yes, stay within your best abilities on distance. Harder for them to jump the string at 8 yards and if you were already aiming low for the heart, you are still very good at such short distances. The problem that you have my friend, is that you have common sense and use it. This old world seems to have lost most of the common sense. Shine on Brother
How do you feel about the no mercy single bevel with 43# recurve on pigs n whitetail thinkin bout using them for ease of file sharpening , just wondered your thoughts
I guess my only hang up is it looks like the material is thin and wondered about the angle or degree if theres enough to get good spin, i dont kno maybe im over thinkin it but thats what keeps coming to mind i used to shoot the eskimos yrs ago great heads but really like the single bevels
Not all that amazing for true seasoned hunters scouting the same area to end up picking out the same tree. Must say that it is nice to be on the identical page for the complete journey as respect for the game we pursue remains primal.
I remember when I first started trad hunting the bow I shot was about 80ish pounds at my draw length and it was fun to shoot but the draw weight was so heavy that you couldn't practice for long periods of time and when I did different tests with the same arrows it had the same penetration as my 45lb bow.
It has been told by my family members who spent a lot of time on the reservation in cherokee nc, those little points that folks call bird points were most likely put on 12 inch or less stems that were inserted into cane arrows and atlatl darts. When used for small game they got clean kills with plenty of penatration.misses could get them a broken stem but the arrow itself and even the head would be more protected.
I know what you mean, with my draw I am a 24--24.5 inch draw and with one bow I have OEELINE Airobow One Piece 56 inch Recurve (bow does not have a model name on Amazon) Is that I was drawing 35--37 pounds with a 45 pound bow so I had to find a bow that would work for me, I did am soon getting (ordered a back in September) a 24 inch draw Youth Longbow from GREAT PLAINS TRADITIONAL BOW COMPANY in the Hickory limb option, they have on the site, had I known I could have got as a special order a the Youth Bow with Eastern Red Cedar for the limbs that they do some kind of stabilization to work as part of the bow limbs better, but I will be happy with just having a bow work for my needs.
Hey Robert, I suspect those small points were glued or hafted as a razor tip on to a larger bone or wood point and fixed onto the arrow as a foreshaft. It could have been bow or atlatl. They have found complete specimans melting out of the ice in the Yukon. The bone section was usually barbed. I know it seems like a long way but it is amazing how similar technology and trade was even 10,000 years ago. I have never heard of blow guns being used in North America. I am interested now though!
RC, you got the same draw as I do. 25” most of the time, 25.5” when I really get in to it. I shoot 40#@26” and it will do a complete pass through. I enjoy watching your videos and Chris’s too. I’ve got about to old for the traditional kick. If I knew I was going to feel like I do, I’d took a lot better care of my old body. Keep up the great work, I enjoy the hack out of them. J.R
I plan to use Allen Chisel tip 100 grain 12 pack, well a Knockoff from China when I hunt, in black but have a 12 pack in a green mainly for spare blades but will use them if need be. If these blades do not work, I have some broadheads for small game at 100 grains that I will use for big game that are solid non removable blade and thicker that are a just over the size reequipment for South Dakota but well over the 75 grain minimum weight requirement.
I could literally listen to you speak all day. Everything you say is spot on. I’ve said it for years, there is no such thing as a magic broadhead. A gut shot animal, is a gut shot animal. You can shoot a 90 lbs bow, pool stick sized arrow with a 300 grain 4” cut broadhead. But if you hit the deer through the paunch, same results. All these broadhead review videos where the guys shooting broadheads through plywood, tires, concrete block etc, is a bunch of bologna. I’ve killed deer with Muzzy, Wasp, Grim Reapers, Rage, Swhackers, Magnus, Fixed blade and mechanical. When you hit an animal where you’re supposed to and let the air out of them, they don’t go anywhere and usually fall within sight. Broad heads aren’t necessarily “junk” because you shoot it in a video through 5/8” thick plywood and a blade bent…… Great video !!!!!
Thanks Robert, that was excellent! I'm in your corner with your opinions. You have much more experience than me but it is remarkable how similar our experiences have been. Except for the Simmons heads (which I admire) I have used most of the others you discussed with the same results. (Razorhead, Zwickey, Grizzly, Magnus, Phantom and Woodsman)
Enjoyed the talk RC. I burn a smoky cold fire almost every day summer time in the back yard to push the Skitas OUT. Last 20 years I have really drilled down and concentrated on making perfect hits. And yes we see or hear most of them crash! Easy bloodtrailing for sure.
You can look amongst various tribes and cultures in history. Smaller and slimmer heads were used on bigger game for increased penetration…bigger head/wider heads were used on smaller game for increased blunting effect. Counter to the narrative today.
I’m in Central/north Georgia just now getting into Trad! Iv shot a few old bows a self made long bow and a recurve but just ordered a new long bow I want to start hunting with soon! Definitely going to put in the work before I try hunting with it, but I’m very excited! Love the information and hope to meet some of the great Trad shooters in Georgia soon!
I've learned a great deal about bows and arrow flight since making my own bows. And you do need a certain amount of force but it's not as high as people think. I haven't harvested a deer yet, and I do shoot a 50 pound bow, but I've been surprised at how far fast and hard even 35 pound bows cast arrows at targets and test flights
Thank you Sir I just found your channel your traditional wisdom is awesome that you’re willing to share!!! You have saved me from searching for the right equipment and poundage of traditional bows. God bless🏹
My father shot a buck with a .30 x.30 and hit him in the shoulder and it broke the shoulder and we didn’t find him that season. The next year I was bow hunting with a 55lb recurve and bear broadhead and killed a deer with a very bad limp. Come to find out it was the buck my dad shot the year before.
My first longbow was 53#. (HOWARD HILL BIG FIVE). I tried to hand sharpen different broad heads, but initially only had success with a Snuffer. That was because I was using a knife sharpening stone bridging two out of three blades. I sharpened until I could no longer see any machine marks on the blade.(I used a black felt tip on the blades before sharpening.) I thought that I was all set until a cross wind came up and I saw the Snuffer equipped arrows dart away from the wind direction! I had tried to sharpen Howard Hill broad heads, but never could get them sharp. I had also tried sharpening Grizzly broad heads, but ended up giving up and dulling both edges to use them for 3D deer target practice. The Grizzly broad heads have a single steep one sided bevel, and one day I got the idea of trying to sharpen the back side of a Grizzly with just a couple of light passes with the file. I had dulled all my Grizzly broad heads, but decided to give it a try anyway. After but two light passes on the back side of the single bevel I ran my finger along the edge and it cut my finger! Amazing! Those broad heads had been absolutely dull, but... I had found the answer to my multi year search for a broad head with good flight characteristics with a very tough blade.
I TOO HAVE USED MOST OF THOSE HEADS. THIS YEAR I'M USING THE 135 SIMMONS. I FOUND A VERY EASY WAY TO MAKE THEM SHAVING RAZOR SHARP. I USE ONE OF THOSE LITTLE THREE INCH KNIFE SHARPENING CRISS CROSS CERMAIC. I STROP THEM LIGHTLY ABOUT 15 TO 20 TIMES EACH SIDE. THEN BACK STROP THEM ON LEATHER WITH THE GREEN PASTE ABOUT TWENTY TIMES. OH LORD THEY ARE SHAVING SHARP. GREAT VIDEO. NEW SUB. FROM OLD IOWA TRADBOW MAN. FROM 641. ALWAYS THUMBS UP! GOD'S BLESSINGS.
Great video. Enjoy the thought process on bigger vs narrower broadheads based on shot angles. Never thought of it like that. It’s a very good idea. I plan to ground hunting more than from a tree this year. Been about 50:50 of each a few years maybe a little more in a tree than on the ground. Though Some of my ground spots put me over top of the deer a bit. Thanks for the great content!
Those last couple of points are arrow heads. Most all the others are atlatl points, even the smaller ones. Atlatl points got smaller over the years but real arrowheads are very tiny. Under 3/4" or 1/2" wide usually (better penetration). Many have been DNA tested and they found big game DNA like deer, elk and bison....crazy right. But if you put them in the right spot they are lethal. It's hard to live with collapsed lungs ...
I bought a bow rated at 50 at 28. I am a 30in drw so I figured I was 55 or so on my fingers. I got a bow scale a while back and I am actually holding 62lb. I am going to replace it with a lighter one. Where and what I hunt requires 50lb by state regulation but dropping 12lb can be very helpful for accuracy
For Big 3 blade heads, Woodsman have heads like this, in glue on and in screw on depending on the arrow and NAP has the screw on head then G5 has a Monatec that is shorter but just as wide if not wider.
I KILLED A HUGE TENNESSEE BOAR WITH THAT OLD MAGNUS TWO BLADE BACK IN 2001 OFF THE GROUND AT FOUR YARDS. I STILL HAVE THOSE OLD MAGNUS. LIKE YOU SAVED ALL MY BROADHEADS AND WILL NEVER LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO USE THEM.
I believe those very small points were used on Arrows and some of your larger points were used on spears I’m definitely no expert just what I have been told by a couple friends
Well Mr. Robert Carter I couldn't agree with you more ... I've been at this Bow hunting game almost 50 years now, and I totally agree with everything you said and even preached it a little !! Those tiny heads were called "Bird Points" I believe ? But supposable used on big game for the same reasons you stated, light weight bows with small sharp heads equaled penetration. Another good head is one cut out of a table saw blade ! Two Blade heads have fed mankind for thousands of years right.
I agree with you that shot placement is the key. You can take an old spoon and make a broadhead out of it and kill a deer if you send it through the vitals. Trade points have killed many animals. Great video!
I use the Zwickey Eskimo that I'm not particularly good at sharpening, and I've never had a good hit go more than 100 yards. I don't recall any of them being destroyed, and I've hit the dirt plenty of times. My daughter's first bow kill was with a 35 lb bow, definitely not drawing at 28 inches, but the shot was straight down into the boiler room.
I'm terrible at sharpening. Luckily I have an old school uncle just like the guy in this video. He helped me glue on my zwickey deltas and sharpen them with a bone breaking chisel tip. I need a V-jig with files screwed in between .. he does it all freehand with a mill bastard file. Then pulls out his oils and the end. Every knife he has is wicked sharp. If you pull out your edc, First thing he'll do is run his nail or his calloused thumb up and down it and he'll go "yuhp, that isn't sharp" lol.
@@rustyshackleford3487 drive on up to MN! All playing aside, I have someone who can teach me, but it's still difficult. It's interesting watching him work on those zwickeys with all the metal you have to initially take off to get a straight cutting edge. Mine are always uneven. And then forget the razor edge part. Respect to those who can keep a bevel. I like your comment too about your daughter and her #35 bow. Uncle Scotts biggest buck ever was taken with a #35 Herters. Have a good hunting season!
I pretty much agree. Now I do Elk Hunt with a longbow. I have shot through a handful of them. High poundage and light arrows with Magnus Stingers. So, I also was doing something these "Gurus" said you can't do. My total arrow probably weighed 450 maybe. As for hogs I have killed tons of them. I never found a hog that could take a reasonable shot from a Tradbow.
Thank you for sharing all your practical information. We really only learn by doing or listening to the ones who share wisdom. So thank you. I’d like to share something with you that I learned from a Cherokee old timer. Those arrowheads that we find? We usually find em by a creek or maybe somewhere good to sit. Somebody learning to make them left there practice arrowheads there. The little ones? They were made by little ones and they’re very special.
