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You reminded me of a moment I saw in a Ben Finegold instructional video. He's teaching a chess class to kids. He goes "okay, now I find that a lot of you guys blunder from this position." Then on his screen, he reveals the starting position.
Not really.. it takes about 2 seconds if you're quick with the mouse and anyway nowadays there are software which use OCR and move pretty much instantly so along with a good connection you can get each move at around 0.5 to 0.8 seconds per move. Still not as fast as a human who can premove.
Love the dude’s attitude...just straight up said he was outplayed, no excuses... Love it, thats really the sign of a strong player/person Instant fan now..
@Nobodeh DontNeedToKnow no, he hinted at it being Magnus. He knows Magnus and Salomon are friends and that Magnus has a history of playing on his friends' accounts online, this is well documented, especially on ICC. He's a regular second of Magnus, he recognises the style which is why he says this guy is just too good for me, and mentions the 'instant' moves to clarify no engine suspicion.
0:16 “he goes f5... now he’s trying to humiliate me” I aspire one day to reach the level in chess such that I can interpret my opponent’s opening choices as a personal attack.
I know right, lol. At the end he still had the advantage in pieces, but I guess his positioning was bad which made him resign? I have no idea what a bad position looks like in chess but I guess it's when your opponent has the initiative all the time. Hopefully one day I'll take my time to learn chess.
@@Subscribers-gj6oy Is it enough to describe the guy that have been ranked as the best chess player in the world since 2010 and is three time back to back world champion as one of the best in the world? He is the undisputed best chess player in the world, have been that for almost a decade and you can argue that he is the best of all time.
"Why is this guy blitzing out every move, he never thinks. And his moves are not obvious"...goes to show the real difference between your average GM and Carlsen.
Jan is in the team of Magnus Carlsen or he was in his team. Jan Gustavson has write books about chess and is really strong. I think that Carlson just make a joke with him. The reaction of Jan was great. Sry, my english is not great.
I'm honestly very impressed by his attitude. Dude's getting absolutly bodied, and acknowledges it. And the line "either this guy's a genius or it's just weird" is the cherry on top. Magnus plays so fast and so perfectly it almost felt like it was a machine. Loved it
@@Sanderus No he does not, that's why he says it's weird. His opponent is blitzing his moves -- meaning that it can't be an engine. His opponent is simultaneously playing like a human and an engine. It doesn't make sense to him.
can you explain to me why he resigned? there was still chess to be played at that point he resigned surely? he could go ruck to E3 then losing the backline ruck but capturing magnus' bishop with the king? or am i totally missing something?
Larbitos O_o firstly comparison itself is wrong... humanity is constantly evolving...so you can for sure expect way stronger chess players in the distant future and Carlsen will look like a club kid along with them
@Larbitos O_o The new generation will always be better, that's just how it is. You cant bring up a hypothetical situation like Murphy being born in the 2000s as a point because it will always be hypothetical. Fischer, Kasparov, and now Magnus was lucky and skilled enough to be born in later generations and have the talent for chess to be where they are today. You can always say that a caveman could possibly be faster than Usain Bolt but isnt because he isnt born during the modern day, but no, thats just not how it works.
David, Couldn't help laughing when I read your comment. I could have written it myself. Your "career" is mine. After decades of practice, my Elo Ranking must be something like 1040 maybe less, and I still can't see a 1 move Checkmate. Why the .uck do I (do we) stubbornly continue playing Chess ? 'cause it's fun :-)))
Not really,. when he play vs the best,.. is it a other position. When you´re a super High player,. and a other make you still ez game over. Thats a moment,. who you maybee say,... mh... wtf is this Person?! :D Maybe he is the best in the world!? =)
@@ThisIsntmyrealnameGoogle No he wasn't. He said multiple times that he was blitzing out moves implying it can't be an engine. The moves were engine moves but in human pacing , which is why he called it "weird".
@@DerSuperoldie Context for this comment, there were 3 comments previously (now all deleted) that said a variation of "Not really, this guy is a cheater" So i continued the trend but doing another variation of the comment. I have no idea who these people are or how to play chess.
.... "i'm not sure what's going on there mr. salomon, that's too strong for me." "moves made instantly, and they're not obvious." he implied he was cheating. not only did he perceive salomon was cheating, but he made suggestive comments.
bob dole yeah... but also: "this is either the greatest genius ever or this is just weird." Weird = engine, greatest genius ever = ... well, he was kinda right if it really was carlsen
It seems that Jan May have known it was Carlsen, Since he knew that Saloman and Carlsen were good friends, and that Saloman should have been sleeping for the tournament the next day.
@bob dole No you idiot, if you cheat you DON'T make moves instantly because chess programs take time to go through thousands of moves if you put it on a high level. Try one out before you talk shit.
*after one minute of playing against Magnus Carlsen* I already dislike my position. *after four minutes of playing against Magnus Carlsen* Either he's the biggest genius in the world, or...
3:55 "He doesn't make sensible moves, but he keeps tricking me." This is essentially the same description that Carlsen himself gives to playing against superhuman engines. They're like idiots who beat you every time.
Near I'm embarrassed for your reading this. Which decade have you just come out of? You seem to have mistake modern engines with ones from 20 years ago.
EGarrett01 lol I heard that too from Magnus, and this just proves that if a move doesn't make sense to you then it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense in reality,
He kept a professional and polite demeanor, but made many comments suggesting the opponent was using a computer to cheat. It's considered very bad form to accuse an opponent of cheating without evidence so he couldn't say it explicitly, but he clearly believed they were cheating (which in a sense, they were)
@@NotQuiteFirst well his opponent is Carlsen in disguise. His opponent was 200 lower than him yet was playing like he was 200 higher so he was right that his opponent was playing above his advertised skill level
@@vincenzofranchelli2201 The reason for his opponent outmatching him isn't the point. I was simply responding to the original commenter's assertion that Gustafsson "took it humbly with no complaints".
@@puppy8125 you just realized it because you knew he was losing. Magnus didn't do typical moves but made ones that are a few steps ahead. Incredible though i bet he could beat me in less than 15
@ensayofr Somebody really needs to bully you of the internet,you are replying everybodys comments saying Jan is a whiny bitch which he is not and insulting people Luckily for you i enjoy just seeing your kind exist in the internet so i am not gonna be bullying.
When the opponent is clearly superior you realize it quickly. There's the feeling that everything he does is effortless while you feel positionally dominated. Losing against someone much stronger has a different taste with respect to losing against someone comparable. I don't know how how to explain it better than this., 'cause it's more of a feeling than something quantifiable.
My favorite of all time, Jan is the man. He’s so perplexed. He would normally think it’s some engine use, but then the blitzing moves throws him off. He’s left totally bewildered and confused. It’s such a beautiful video.
can you explain to me why he resigned? there was still chess to be played at that point he resigned surely? he could go ruck to E3 then losing the backline ruck but capturing magnus' bishop with the king? or am i totally missing something?
His other bishop was also hanging, so after the whole sequence magnus would take the bishop with the pawn and would be up 1 rook (2rooks vs 1) This is hopeless and he can resign
@s1dew1nd3r4 Even after Re3 (Rd2 would be a slightly better move I believe, still losing badly tho) black would take white rook on F1. White can recapture blacks Bishop but will lose his Bishop. So he's just down a rook in any scenario. He was annihilated, at the level of GM being down a full rook is game over
@@Spoon80085 I think the point is that the difference of 400 rating points is huge regardless of what the actual ratings themselves are. A 1200 against a 1600 is absurdly one sided. Similarly, the difference between a 2600 IM and a 3000+ super GM is insane. I think they were agreeing with you but phrased it in a way that seemed like a disagreement.
1:52 “I can take the pawn but he will of course have huge compensation on these dark squares. Still a pawn is a pawn. I love grabbing pawns” That part cracked me up. Jan trying to convince himself that taking the pawn is a good idea
Huh? Thats not anonymous. Thats real account of GM Johan Salomon (was IM at that time). Gustafsson know who Salomon is. But not knowing that his account being used by Magnus.
Crazy how a really intelligent GM who has devoted their life to mastering a board game can still be outclassed by an opponent that is semi trolling. Chess is so complex.
Magnus has lost plenty of games. Being a champion and having the best average success rate doesn't mean you win 100% of the time. Being better than someone is a vague term.
"These moves aren't obvious......at least to me." Is why this is my absolute favorite chess match. "Why do I always miss everything? So sad." Is why I rewatch weekly.
Rewatched this after 2 years and only now realised he's suggesting his opponent uses an engine But tbf, who can blame him! It's way more likely your opponent is cheating than your opponent being Magnus Carlsen
Yeah, but he disproves it in the end by saying that the moves were instant which is why he says it's very strange since he doesn't think salomon is that good but at the same time, he can't be cheating.
@@spaghetti2777 Yeah players of his caliber can tell when a player is cheating with an engine, and I think he knows it's not that, he's just confused because what else could it be.
i think he had a suspicion that he played against magnus, hence the sentence "either he's the biggest genius in the world (magnus carlsen) or this is just weird (because salomon was not that strong)
Cheaters are very obvious, the engine takes at least 10 seconds to calculate per move. If a GM thinks you are cheating, they will just flag you even in a losing position because it takes too much time to keep waiting on the engine. It's also extremely rare for a titled player to risk his title from an online game. Jan was just confused how an IM played like a super GM.
@@jim0084 😂 it takes an engine on a solid computer about a second to calculate a good move. Humans get crushed even in ultra bullet by engines. Apart from that it does usually take cheaters a couple seconds to enter the move into the engine, but there couldve been a way the guy he was playing looked at moveorders ahead of time or bypassed the human component and allowed the engine to interact with the board directly
I love how Jan accepts it and tries to analyze the situation with no bitter, angry or desesperation, that would be a hard battle for everybody himself in any discipline you're good at; we all have been there.
Did you even watch the full video? ''no bitterness* or desperation*''!? He straight up put his whole career into perspective. ''I'm missing every move, I should not be playing chess.''/"Why do I always miss everything? So sad." Then: **proceeds to resign** That's pretty desperate.
@mindfictiontv4664 That ain't no bitterness. Bitterness is when you keep complaining and whining for ages, without touching grass. He sas just shocked, which is normal. GM's don't often get crushed like that.
0:19 now he is trying to humiliate me big time there, not only beating me, but beating me with the dutch. well, you were not wrong Mr Jan but you earned my respect for your attitude after losing.
Jan saw it after the fact, just imagine that Magnus saw it as quickly as he did. The move made no sense - I mean it obviously did, but creating that creative that quickly is just nothing less than impressively scary.
@@softan He himself said that he misses the old days where the moves played themselves. He said that these days he has to think a lot more directly about his moves.
0:14 "hmm goes f5. Now he's trying to humiliate me big time by, not only beating me but, but by beating me, with the dutch! Which is even worse." that opening commentary by Jan is too funny!
I'm back again to watch in 2024, after bungling 2023, to begin the year with a clear conscience. Perfect display of humbleness, humility, and humor sir. Lovely.
The way he clears his throat and he struggles speaking, you can tell the man is in pain. Watching elite chess players get obliterated always makes me feel for them, it's obviously an awful feeling he's getting right now.
@@Pohlolol Oh is it ? I'm not familiar at all with the man and I've seen people clear their throat like that when they're shameful/embarrassed. Thanks for the info :)
At some point Jan has got to start being concerned about his own health during this game. Seeing all these moves that don't make sense yet are winning, he's got to start thinking he's have a stroke or something.
"You should be very careful before you accuse your fellow chessmates, of cheating with an engine. So instead Salomon, I will pay you a compliment; you Sir, play like an engine."
It seems interesting to me you comment in quotes. I suppose it makes sense because I write my comments like thoughts. Yours was well phrased though. Though I don't know how to define engine like play, I must say these guys put up great games
can you explain to me why he resigned? there was still chess to be played at that point he resigned surely? he could go ruck to E3 then losing the backline ruck but capturing magnus' bishop with the king? or am i totally missing something?
Carlsen makes the most engine like moves out of any player in history, if I remember a chessbase study (or someone similar) correctly. He's not wrong to assume that, there's more chance of playing an engine than Carlsen online.
leerobbo92 That would make sense, I've heard the same of Capablanca. But Magnus would make more sense since top players literally run through lines with engines. So it would be like he follows the engine who then agrees with whatever he did.
This shows the difference between a strong GM and a super GM - Magnus knows complex lines of attack and can recall over 10 000 GM games from memory - he is probably in the top 5 greatest players of all time
@@jasonmain6398 Hi there Carlson is rated the highest ever but for style and pure ingenuity I like Tal and Fisher ,they played at such a level it would be hard to match
"This is a line I've never studied" "Looks so strange" "I already dislike my position" "What's going on there, blunder already? Yeah" "Missed that one too" "I Shouldn't be playing chess"
That "mm" he makes and gets slower and deeper each time says it all hehe. Very well played though and great sportsmanship; shows he's truly a lover an analyst of the game to be above his emotions that way
to say 'way over my head' is such an impressive act from one of the best in the world.. and to even notice/recognize it in the first place! I suspect there were two geniuses in this match.
