Hey Everyone! Here's the only response I could find from Jan Gustafsson regarding this game for those interested: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ywftg9hRlsc.html
@@s1dew1nd3r4he was down too much material at that point and his position wouldn't be any better once the two rooks came out. No way he would've even managed a draw.
@@aadarshagrawal2197 I think all the times he said "weird" or something like it he really wanted to say it wasn't human moves, but he's cautious and polite to acuse his opponent of cheating by using engines.
He began to suspect something was up right away. I was like jeez Magnus, the Dutch? At least he didn't Bongcloud, but that would've been a giveaway. I'd work on my Vienna as White vs. Jan, and either my Caro or a Sicilian as Black. If it means anything, he'd crush me even faster, I'd be happy to get into a decent Middlegame vs. Gustaffson. I think he is one of Germany's strongest GMs, apparently he was mowing people down as a kid, U20 champion.
I thought Gustaffson's response to what must have been a very frustrating game was very professional, and I ended up with much more respect for him as a person after this video. I find behavior like his in this situation inspiring, so kudos to him.
Yep, I see how lots of GMs let their ego get the better of them and become super passive aggressive or develop some sort of vendetta against their opponents after losing - and it happens often especially when they lose to IMs and lower Maybe Gustaffson was holding his tongue here, but overall he seems like a very chill guy from his response
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy It's not always an ego thing, it's most likely that if they see their opponent doing moves way above their level they start to suspect that something fishy is going on, and they can also feel when something is weird on the style of play and the speed. Here he was clearly suspecting something weird was going on, but was extremely polite about it (probably he knows the guy personally). And his instincts where on point, there WAS something fishy going on, except in this case the "engine" was Magnus Carlsen
This just demonstrates how the GM circle can't publicly talk about cheaters, which Magnus said during the Hans scandal. Hans was basically Soloman x10 in the GM circle and none of them could speak about it (in public) even though they wanted to. Gustaffson demonstrated it clearly here that even though it makes no sense, they can't say the "cheat" word and have to substitute it, at least on camera or in public.
@@dmn257 well, this game was played before he joined Carlsen's team. but i think Gustaffson may have known about the prank all along (he was the co-founder of chess24, and it's great viral promotion for the website). at the very least, the thought would certainly have crossed his mind - it's a Norwegian account after all; playing oddball openings in blitz is practically a trademark of Carlsen, etc. - he just refrains from saying it out loud.
It was an accidental identification, he was using coded language to insinuate that he was playing against an engine. That's what he definitely thought was actually happening.
This was true sportsmanship. He hinted that the opponent is very suspicious of using AI assistance but never opanly accused him and took the loss like a true champ.
think he was pretty legit confused tho because he probably wouldn't suspect an actual pro he respects to cheat like that (he made the comment "shouldn't you be sleeping to prepare for your national championship")
He thought he was playing against an IM, so when his supposedly weaker opponent blitzed out moves he didn't understand while outplaying him, he said "Either he's the biggest genius in the world or this is weird" which can be translated as "I'm either playing against Magnus Carlsen or an engine" hahahaha
Everyone is wrong Here. The reason Why This is so Strange for him is Not bc he thinks Its an Engine. Its because the Moves Are blitzed out. So he knows Its Most likely no Engine. Thats Why hes so confused
Jan comments on the Dutch not just because you don't see it at the highest level, but because Jan has a running gag on his streams that he absolutely hates the opening and is convinced that it's unusable generally. Which is made even funnier in this context, because he is basically the first name in Carlsen's team for his World Championship matches!
@@lma5508 Jan's a world-leading openings expert. Carlsen has used him on his team for many world championships, and he's often the highest rated person on that team.
Actually, at 9:12 Gustaffson unconsciously realizes what's going on when he says "either he's the biggest genius in the world" - which exactly what his opponent is.
Well, he is genuinely confused, because he knows the other person, and he knows they wouldn't cheat, and he also knows that the moves are being blitzed out too fast for engine reference cheating.
@@insertphrasehere15 There are way more sophisticated ways to cheat than to have an engine in a second window. I think he suggested he may be cheating. But obviously wasn't sure and couldn't say it out loud
One must note that whenever Jan gets surprised by the move he qualifies it by "instatntly'; which means it cannot be a cheating as one needs time to refer to a computer ,even with a helper, to post moves.
No you don't. You can write prediction algorithms that consider the most likely moves, and stores what to do against such moves. This allows you to respond immediately with an engine.
And not a regular GM either, Jan is a very strong GM. It's crazy as GM title itself is such a difficult feat to achieve, but then there are some who are a class above them (nowadays called super GM), and then there is Magnus Carlsen.
We were all waiting to see his reaction when he realizes he's been playing against Carlsen, but unfortunately that was left out. That was really a huge anticlimax. 😖
I'm sorry about that, sadly I couldn't find any footage of Magnus telling Jan, if you can find anything like that on YT please let me know because I really want to do a follow up video on it. I think I saw a video of Jan mentioning it on one of his streams, but I can't find it now. EDIT: Ok so this is what I found online in a now deleted tweet directed to Johan Salomon "Johan, twelve people at least are wondering: When was @GMJanGustafsson made aware he was actually playing Magnus - and what was his reply?" Johan's reply: "No idea" Sadly we don't get the payoff of Gustafsson finding out on video. :(
When I get completely crushed it's very easy for me to think that someone is cheating (most of the time this is simply not the case, I'm just getting crushed) and I'm relatively weak at 1700 rating. For Jan, it was clear that he had these thoughts too during this game! Being a Grandmaster & being bullied must have heightened these feelings also.
Poor Jan. He handled that well but was perhaps boiling on the inside. I'm glad he later learned it was all a trick and spent some quality time fetching beers for Magnus at Magnus' penthouse suite.
@@mathildewesendonck7225 Sure, in part. But I don't think a GM takes losing like that lightly to an IM. He got demolished, admitted it throughout, and was visibly shaken.
I've seen this game tons of time before, but never a full breakdown, blow by blow, like yours. Great content! Liked, subscribed. Thanks for the video, keep it up this great content!
Dutch looks simple but if you dont know your stuff you end up in cramped positions and eventually your opponent smash you I speak about rating 2000. It looks simple when Magnus plays
I liked the bit when they moved the different coloured pieces around the board. It was majestic! I've no idea what they were trying to accomplish but it looked like a dance of some sort. Like the Haka those Polanision people do before a performance. It's very quaint.
"Such strange moves, played instantly" - I love that he says instantly to show that he doesn't think there is any cheating. People who cheat and play where moves after a period of time need the time to tell the computer the new moves for it to compute. The fact it was instantly is where it shows it's not coming from a computer.
There are computer scripts now that people use and get moves out consistently in 1-2 seconds. Most cheaters aren't that sophisticated but some are, unfortunately.
I think the most interesting part is his that very quickly he realized that something was off and that his opponent was very strong. I mean, he could have think it was just bad luck, or he wasn't in the game...but no, he knew he was beaten fair and square.
@@fox2569 There is definitely luck involved in the wide sense of the word. Sometimes you see a move, and sometimes you don't. Or, you can make a move where you miss a potential move from your opponent, but you see after you moved that luckily there is a way to answer and you are fine. The game doesn't contain randomness, but people's behaviour certainly do.
@@theWebWizrdstatistical flukes average out in the long run, but within a single game obviously there's an element of bluff. even Kramnik overlooked a mate in 1 once (against Deep Fritz). there's also something known as a "tilt". not exactly luck, but a state of mind - once the player starts doubting himself for whatever reason, errors begin to breed more errors, and it may take a while to regain composure. this state of mind can be quite volatile, especially among some players. (Nepo being a prominent example - once something snaps, he starts hallucinating stuff and blundering a lot, playing well below his level, as it happened in both of his WC matches).
Would have been great if Magnus had revealed himself right at the end and we could watch Jan's reaction (which would surely to be to laugh and say "now it all makes sense").
especially since the account was Norwegian... i suspect Jan might have been in on it all along, and this was sort of a publicity stunt. for context, it was 2015; a year after chess24 was co-founded by Gustafsson (and a few years later it merged wth Carlsen's company). it's not like they played on some random website
He may have considered cheating but said that these moves came instantly, which makes illegal actions difficult (for expert advice consult GM H.M. Niemann 😅😅😅). Great prank and cool reaction of GM Gustaffson! Super video!
I think that this game was more of luck because Jan had the brilliant bishop move in mind, but didnt go for it. It was a gamble by Magnus which luckily went through. I love them both as players and human beings. :)
@@qondamyes, magnus gambled. If Jan found the correct continuation, he would have an advantage. So magnus took the risk that Jan would not find the refutation
There is a video of a similar game: Kasparov raging during a friendly simultaneous 😅 He was playing against somebody who had a much higher rating than he had been told. And Kasparov just wasn’t having it 🤣
and Kasparov was perfectly right. what does it mean: "friendly" simultaneous, by the way? : ) as opposed to all the hostile ones? simultaneous games are always exhibitions, of course they don't count towards anybody's rating... it doesn't justify misleading or sandbagging. if he's told none of his opponents is rated over 2000, the organizers shouldn't be sneaking in people who are.
It’s cool how Gustafsson picks up right at the start of the game that he could be facing a much better opponent than he is. Even though the opponent’s moves are super weird, Gustafson always allows that they may be over his head. Much respect for his grace and acuity.
Magus has done this to Gustafsson a few times. I'll admit, Jan takes it like a Gentleman, even though you know he's upset. Never stops being funny though.
