Doesn't matter the size, one day you will be able to fit them back in the box they came in. The guy who taught me to fly rc planes told me that 40yrs ago.
@@hayloft3834 I agree with you that's when we had real men in the hobby, today everybody flies these little toys home planes. A bunch of sissy Mary's. if they learn to build from a kit, or even from a almost ready to fly, a thousand times better, then just buy it out of the box and fly it. People today unfortunately are lazy, they are not interested in learning anything about Aviation aerodynamics. Everybody today wants instant gratification. So many people have gotten away from Nitro and gasoline engines. The people that fly all these phone planes, they call engines, Motors you can have a Unwritten 50cc gasoline engine, and somebody will come up to you what size motor is that. I tell him Motors are electric, engines, work on combustion they are not motives. I'm pretty much finished with the hobby after 55 years, to sit around and listen to these people talk about charging their batteries where you can buy the best phone plan for what price things of that nature boring, they don't talk about Wing loading, or tuning in a carburetor, center of gravity, angle of attack. These terms are history. Today's date is November 4th 2022, I started as a kid flying you control, about 13 years of age, Then I Dropped Out, and in 1971 I started building kits from scratch, then join the AMA, then I dropped out of the hobby again for a number of years due to my occupation, and I traveled for seven and a half years in a diesel pusher motor home, I moved to North Carolina, to be closer to my daughter and her family, and I saw a hobby store went inside, and the rest is history. I've been flying Nitro and gas engine planes, I install Eagle tree stabilizers, on board ignition systems, and redundancy with the batteries. 14 years ago I put in a video camera and live stream down to a TV set that I had inside a cardboard box with a 24-in TV I painted the inside of the Box block, people would sit around as I'm flying, it's as though they're sitting in the cockpit of my plane. That was 14 years ago today is, November 4th 2022.
@@americanspirit8932 The fact that today we have planes made of EPP foams and with electric motors is only to enjoy, not to whine, because thanks to this, many beginners are able to enter this sport and not only for a very small group of people who know mechanics and study aircraft construction . I am a beginner in RC and so far I fly electric foam models (size 1.2-1.4m). The combustion models are beyond my reach for now (skills and finances). Gasoline engines for models are terribly expensive (for most people in Poland it is too expensive). It's not true that no one is talking about CG today. Of course we are talking - that's essential. At least here in Poland. Also, many people build their planes from scratch here in Poland. But first you have to start somewhere and start from EPP foam and electric motors is a good start for total begginer. Nobody would start flying a 2m gasoline model right away, because it would have crashed it in the first flight. You learn basics from the foam model. You learn how to fly, what to do when it stall, how to land, how to repeir and THEN you go to wooden models or gasoline motors.
@@americanspirit8932 I'm just getting into the hobby. I was into shooting and reloading but the components seem to have dried up and if you do find some they are priced out of my budget. I'm disabled now so cost is a factor in everything I do but I just ordered a Ziroli plan for a p-51d. I am going to try to build it from all aluminum and because of my budget I will have to take my time since buying an engine and landing gear is not something I can just go buy . I'm looking forward to starting this build .
I read all the comments here. Only two post mentioned doubts about engine reliability. I heard the engine on the ground. It didn't sound 100% good to go. Hold the model pointed at the sky. Give it full throttle. That engine should scream steady for 10 seconds. Anything less than that, don't fly. Keep tuning that engine until it can do it.
I can feel your pain. Many years ago I had. T-28, about the same size, but a complete build up kit. On my first flight I had a “issue” as well. It flew great for about a minute then it just seemed lock up. Elevators full up, full power. It did a beautiful loop followed by an perfect implant into the ground. Mine didn’t look as good as yours after the “issue” !! Made for a nice barn fire. Hope you can repair it get it flying again, it looked beautiful .
Was it just me, or did this plane’s engine never sound “right?” My ears were telling me that there’s a fuel mixture problem or maybe something else, but it sounded off to me. Sorry about your plane’s attitude once the engine went south; there wasn’t much aerodynamic lift turning on such a steep angle that close to the ground. The plane looked STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL! Better luck next time!
I've been training pilots how to fly since 1973 and when ever you fly a new plane for the first time,, you follow a set of steps. 1. Take off and TRIM. 2. Set different throttle settings in level flight to see if the plane flies normally or climbs and falls. 3. Once you have it trimmed from #1 and #2, go to altitude and find out how it STALLS. This will be dangerous if you don't know how to recover so let someone with experience do it for you. This will tell you how the plane will land. Make any changes to the plane before you do anything else. THEN, fly the plane learn how to use the rudder with turns. This will keep you from stalling sooner. Have fun and sorry about the incident.
Yeah, that was a vicious stall while the plane still had good airspeed. I think he had something wrong with his set up. My guess is the plane may have been a bit tail heavy. Typically a T-28 is very stable even in slow flight. I fly warbirds almost exclusively and have crashed my fair share. These days I always maiden an aircraft slightly more nose-heavy than prescribed for a given model. Just an extra bit of insurance against tip-stalls.
All I fly are warbirds I won’t dare fly a little girls edge or extra unless I’m teaching my grandson. Engine quit ok, but he had lots of room and little experience. Don’t forget most today are starting with foam planes then when they see someone flying a real RC plane think it’s the same. Without even knowing what a stall is. Or what lift is, that what the foam plan has done to our hobby. Everyone is an RC pilot today
One thing ive learned to always do on Rc Plane Maiden Flight is PULL THE DAMN GEAR UP you will save yourself alot of damage if you have to ditch the plane in the brush.
I'm shocked you stalled on that turn! It seemed like a good turn to me nose down slight turn, wings didn't look that bad. Sorry that happened it appeared to be a beautiful T28
And if you would have had a, onboard ignition, the engine probably would not have stalled, also if he had a remote, choke and starter, if he had enough altitude he could have restarted the engine just choke it hit the automatic start, and with the onboard ignition you're in business. I am visually impaired with no depth perception. That's why I installed all the above in my all my plans I use a eagle tree stabilization system, onboard ignition remote starter, and a remote choke. Sorry for your loss I have done that twice years ago getting ready to land flying down wind, did not pay attention to the wind it's slow down a bit when I was flying didn't realize it most people reference the ground when they're flying, and as soon as I started my final turn, it's stalled down it went, but I've learned from that keep your air speed up don't reference the ground and then I installed All the Above, and all of my plans, it not had a problem since. With the remote starter I had a few laughs at the field I would land kill the engine, and one of the members would start walking over to my plane to tow it back for me, before they would get too close I would restart the engine, they would jump back they never saw anything like that. I would do that stunt when I was somebody new at the field or somebody that was unaware that I had remote starters. And the other members that were aware of what I had on my plane they would all crack up to see the person react everybody would be laughing, including the person that was going to retrieve my plane they know it was all a joke.
I'm watching this, and listening, and even I can tell the engine is misfiring well before the engine cut out. Was the controller deaf? And that's not an insensitive bash at the the deaf.
In case of a maiden flight, it would be nice that all other mates look in stead of running a other engine... Maybe tell the pilot that his engine is not ok and he should land. That's called friendship ;-)
The pilot was flying this plane WAY too slowly. Warbirds are not sport or 3D planes, which you can fly slowly and not stall. Warbirds have a high wing-loading (weight to area ration) and so need to be flown with some speed, to pull the plane through turns with authority. It looked like he was on the edge of stalling on most of these slow turns. Also, DLE's don't like to run low\mid throttle for that long. There's a normal mid-range "burble", and if they're not turned right they CAN load up and quit (too much fuel). They like to be run WOT (wide open throttle) - that's when they run \ sound the healthiest. Last - wtih a warbird like this - if the engine quits, NEVER go into a slow-speed turn \ bank - you WILL stall. Instead - immediately point the nose DOWN to gain airspeed (and control) and THEN land or bank and land.
Seen this sort of thing over and over so many times it hurts. The moment the engine quits, keep the nose at least slightly lower than the tail to keep up airspeed. The amount depends on the particular model but you definitely don't want level or nose above tail. The number one killer during a dead stick is the urge to pull through a turn yank and bank style way too much which kills airspeed and causes the stall. It's far better to just keep going in the direction you happen to be going and simply keep the speed up by dumping the nose down and land wings level the best that you can. The urge to turn back to yourself is so strong though, it's hard not to do without using rudder well but even then, any large control surface deflection causes added drag which lowers the airspeed so keeping that nose down is the most important part of avoiding this situation. Easier said than done in the moment but that's the plan anyway.
I'm both an RC and fully size sport pilot with 40 years flying experience. I'm staggered at how many pilots have no clue about stalls. A stall has nothing to do with airspeed and everything to do with exceeding the critical angle of attack (wing angle or AOA). Every plane has what I call a stall stick position. In that when ever the stick reaches this aft position the wing stalls EVERY TIME at any speed or loading. Take your plane up to a safe altitude, discover it's stall stick position by practicing stalls. Respect that position and you will NEVER stall an aircraft. I'll finish by saying that EVERY aircraft that has stalled has done so because the pilot pulled the stick too far aft and into the stall stick position. Hope this helps save model and perhaps lives.
You are 100% correct. His engine didn't sound, like it was toon properly to start with. One of my early comments I stated if he had a on-board admission, that would not have happened.
@@chipcity3016 Incorrect. The AoA is the only constant for any given wing configuration regarding stalls, everything else (including stick position) is variable. Slight as it may be for a given aircraft, it is wrong to state that all stalls happen at a set stick position for all aircraft. It just is not true.
@@chipcity3016 I'm not new either and had a good deal of time on hand gliders back in the day as well as the r/c stuff for many years since 10 years old. I always nailed my landings and made it look easy on the hang gliders. When your on one of those gliders, you're not thinking about critical angle of attack or anything like that. It was very simple, keep the airspeed up and stay alive. So I don't think understanding the critical angle aerodynamic technicalities is all that helpful unless we're flying full scale with instruments. On the hang glider, you could easily feel the speed on your face so no instrument needed. In R/C we don't have instrumentation like a full scale plane does and we have to rely on our visual connection and experience flying at slower speeds. But you're absolutely right about the getting used to each models stall characteristics. All the better pilots know when they are getting close to the limits visually and when no power is available instinctively know to dump the nose down to a level that keeps them out of trouble. Of course that all gets even more challenging in different wind conditions which is why a dead stick in higher winds is another layer of difficulty if caught going down wind. I've had many successful dead stick landings and actually get a kick out of it on planes that glide well. On the other hand, I don't have much experience flying warbirds either and those types don't typically glide very well after losing power. I flew one for someone that wasn't setup well and the balance was way off and It took everything I had to get that thing back on the ground without losing it. I'm sure it would have flew better once balanced out better but if the engine would have died on me, it would have definitely gone in for sure. The throws were way too low on it to control effectively at slower speeds. Got to love this hobby in spite of the failures along the way.
If you think you have to turn like that...point the nose down and use the rudder to turn...ailerons stall one wing easily in this scenerio and make the entire plane stall..
One of the worst advices I have ever seen. Rudder causes a left or right yaw. Yaw and low airspeed enters an aircraft into a spin. Use of ailerons with sufficient airspeed is always safe and it doesn't cause a stall alone. Stall is always caused by exceeding the critical angle of attack. You can stall a wing at any speed and or attitude. The only exception would be a zero G environment. One of the most important things after engine failure is to maintain sufficient airspeed, by lowering the angle of attack (push elevator down and establish a nose down attitude/glide). Maintain the airspeed and unless you have plenty of altitude, avoid turns (unless you have to steer away from an obstacle). If you have plenty of altitude and you need to lose altitude before landing, make only shallow or medium banked turns. Steep turns are increasing the stall speed way higher than in level flight. If the model stalls, the only way to recover is to lower the angle of attack by easing the up elevator input and push the nose down, level the wings (this is very important) and ONLY after the model has gained sufficient airspeed again, pull the model out of the steep dive and establish the smooth glide again.
That engine sounded as rough as a bears arse, should have brought it straight back in and sorted it out. Not as though he's messing around with a hobby King foamy. Shame looked like a nice model
My bet after flying RC for 50 years that the prop Loosened up and the engine was just spinning, and the prop wasn’t moving ! That really sucks when that happens to anybody flying. 😢
Ag pilot with 40 years. Your all wrong the plane stalled because he exceeded the planes critical angle of attack (AOA). This is done when the pilots pulls the stick aft into what I call the stall stick position. This is the stick position is where every plane stalls the wing and can happen at any speed or bank or wing load. Every plane in history that has ever stalled has done so because the pilot pulled the stick too far aft and into the stall stick position. Fact. Tip stalls, high speed stalls etc. these are just regular old stalls period. One should practice stalls a safe height, take note of the stall stick position, it’s the same position every time! Respect that position and you can never stall.
Should have paid a little more attention to the engine, before taking off. The carburetor sounded as though it needed some adjustment, the engine was running pretty rough.
That was a big, heavy airplane. It cannot gently glide back to the runway like a trainer. I've seen more snap roll stalls where one wing drops and the plane goes in nose down exactly like this one. Better to come in fast and run off the end of the runway then spin in like that. Sorry that happened. RC and full scale pilot since 1987.
You must fly alone. You would either be doing a lot of fighting or very little flying at my fly field. You can't expect all flight line activity to stop for every maiden flight.
@@goodcopbadcop9872 we have a rule at our field that ALL maidens are to be made with no one else in the air. I don't know how you couldn't have the time to allow one or two 5-10 minute flights without disturbance.
@@Graff-Art Well, you said it was a guy in the pits you would have dropped and not someone in the air. I won't ask for all activity on the field to stop for a simple maiden flight. Yes, this was a simple flight. You need that level of concentration? Show up early. I will generally be there, but I will let you have the field!
For those who are saying he tip stalled the wing your wrong. It was an electronic malfunction not pilot error. The bank angle and a nose down attitude while entering the turn negates a stall condition.
Electronic malfunction? What video did you watch? Motor quit when he was into the wind pitch up and rolled left. He continued the left roll, didn't pitch the nose down, the bottom L wing stalled, and the wind blew the top R wing over. It's what we call a "High-speed or Accelerated Stall".
Your all wrong the plane stalled because he exceeded the planes critical angle of attack. This is done when the pilots pulls the stick aft into what I call the stall stick position. This is the stick position where every plane stalls the wing and can happen at any speed or bank or wing load. Every plane in history that has ever stalled has done so because the pilot pulled the stick too far aft and into the stall stick position. Fact. Tip stalls, high speed stalls etc. these are just regular old stalls period.
@@chipcity3016 Snort! Stall Stick Position? Whaaat? 100% incorrect. You obviously are not a full-scale pilot. If you are, you need to be retrained or stop flying. Dangerous ideas you have.
He needs to learn how to tune an engine properly, then I always suggest install a on-board ignition. Very inexpensive piece of equipment and very light.
Two things you learn from full size flying which can be directly related to model flying, Never turn away from the airfield if the engine stops. You may not get back. Second, depending on height and location, always try and maintain in to wind. Don't risk a downwind turn as a stall is likely. It's better to land in to wind off field than spin in or land with excessive speed down wind.
All true, let me add that if you are maiden a plane you should ask the other fellows to wait until you're landing safely before they start and rev up the engine behind you, how the hell are you going to listen if your engine still running if you have a guy with 25000 rpm noises?
I fly giant scale. From Warbirds to 3D and yes they all come with an expiration date, you just don't know what that date is. Having said that this was a totally recoverable dead stick. with that much altitude he could have landed it safely several times over. Why would he make that turn at that speed? Point the nose down, gain some speed, and fly it home. What a waste. KEEP FLYING. I've had planes dead stick 6" off the ground in a hover and did better then that. Hate to bash but I've seen this over and over.
For maiden flights (like this one) you really want to ask everyone else to not fly or evein run their engines, so that you can hear your own. if the engine quits, like it did here, you can lose a few seconds of reaction time before you realize your engine has quit. And, in that situation, every second counts.
Sorry to see such nice bird crash, any warbird without power is brick, but this one looks really too heavy for wingspan, on video it looks that it stalled while it was descending, immediately little bit of turn and it went into stall, maybe little bit on tail heavy side
