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Make Deadlifts Useful for Olympic Weightlifting 

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Are deadlifts useful for Olympic weightlifting? Sure, as long as they look a lot like a clean…
Strength is very position and movement-specific-the more similar a training motion is to what we want stronger, the more the strength it builds will help.
However, less similar strength movements don’t just help less-they can actually be counterproductive, and the deadlift is a good example of this.
When we pull a clean, we want a rigidly extended back, a posture that keeps us upright but over the bar, and even balance over the whole foot.
If our heaviest pulling work is conventional deadlifts that start with high hips, shift balance to the heels, bring the shoulders behind the bar, and round the back so we look like a question mark, we’re not just not helping our Olympic lifts-we’re making our strongest position and pattern one that diverges from what we need, and the body will invariably revert to our strongest positions as weights increase. In other words, we’re training to make it impossible to do what we want in our biggest lifts.
So can we lift as much with a stricter clean deadlift as in an anything-goes deadlift? Not quite, but all of it will apply to our lifts, and none of it will detract from them. And moreover… if this is the way you train deadlifts long term, the gap will diminish dramatically anyway and the point largely becomes moot.
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@LucasDimoveo
@LucasDimoveo Год назад
Practicing heavy clean deadlifts has really helped me increase my cleans. If you’re wondering if stopping conventional deadlifts will make you weaker or look less good, I can tell you from my experience that neither has happened to me. Just do the clean deadlift
@______-im2cn
@______-im2cn Год назад
seriously love his take on things. does not over complicate things, just simple and easy to understand.
@bannerhulk4607
@bannerhulk4607 Год назад
Thanks for the free content!
@diemme568
@diemme568 Год назад
very true
@TheComedyButchers
@TheComedyButchers Год назад
“Clean pull” seems to be a better term than “clean-style deadlift”
@phrsngx5675
@phrsngx5675 Год назад
A "clean pull" is different from a "clean deadlift"
@CatalystAthletics
@CatalystAthletics Год назад
Yes, it's a good name for the clean pull exercise, which is different from a clean deadlift. Pull - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xx8WkFrST2Y.html Deadlift - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iCWAMA9Zeus.html
@scottpope6210
@scottpope6210 Год назад
@@CatalystAthletics when l would take a break from powerlifting l would do hang cleans much to my enjoyment, as long as l did not clutter up the lift by over thinking, would just do an explosive shrug with knee dip and bar would seem to magically rise to shoulder level, barely had to dip to catch it. After about 20 days from any deads or squats the honeymoon was over, no more magic.
@SLouiss
@SLouiss Год назад
What would be a good way for a powerlifter to put some Olympic lifting into his training? I occasionally do power cleans when a rack isn’t available to strict press out of, and sometimes to front squats and behind the neck push press.
@MrProaktyn
@MrProaktyn Год назад
A powerlifting friend of mine has added paused squat/DL, aswell as mentioned lifts from blocks, to his accessory work.
@CatalystAthletics
@CatalystAthletics Год назад
PCs are definitely the most accessible and will let you work on some legit speed/power training for the DL. Add in some push presses for shoulder/arm strength and mobility and that's probably a pretty solid setup.
@harrybaals2549
@harrybaals2549 Год назад
just be careful. once you get a taste of the speed and power of weightlifting, you might get bored of power-lifting like i did lol
@shedreamsofhorses
@shedreamsofhorses Год назад
Thank you so much for all the content you put out Greg! I'm a beginner lifter training on my own, your videos and book have really helped me get better :)
@scottpope6210
@scottpope6210 Год назад
When l do deadlifts l shoot my knees into the next room and I'm not apologizing. Head up, chest out, big breath, let things happen. Once the slack is out of bar, things fall into place, so that first inch of movement is about patience
@shotokankaratedude89
@shotokankaratedude89 Год назад
Got some low back pain. Does this version Have less stress on the lower back then a powerlifting deadlift? And how about the snatch grip?
@CatalystAthletics
@CatalystAthletics Год назад
Generally speaking, yes less strain on the back because the trunk is more upright (so less of a moment on hip/spine) and back is held in a stronger position (extension) rather than being allowed to soften and leave more of the work to connective tissue.
@tripleextension88
@tripleextension88 Год назад
Before I started with olympic lifting, I did lots of conventional deadlifting for years. It improved my trunk stability, but at a cost. For the olympic lifts, now I have to remind myself not to lock everything up, otherwise I get way too tight in my shoulders, and this prevents me e.g. from letting my arms hang lose and then punch into the bar in the turnover.
@benvee4921
@benvee4921 Год назад
Welp. Guess I’m breaking off program tomorrow
@socrayes2010
@socrayes2010 Месяц назад
"Anything goes" DL doesn't apply to heavy enough DLs. They have to remain mid-foot or they won't go. So how does not training for force production by getting stronger not improve your ability to clean ? Force done quickly is mathematically power. Get faster and get more power, get stronger and get more power.
@CatalystAthletics
@CatalystAthletics Месяц назад
Why it doesn't work is explained in the video. Strength isn't a magical, all-pervading quality - it applies specifically to the positions and motions trained. It has nothing to do with power.
@socrayes2010
@socrayes2010 Месяц назад
@@CatalystAthletics Maybe math and physics will appeal here. Power = (Force x Distance)/time. Force equals pounds on the bar moved a distance. How is this complicated in WL but not in the rest of biomechanics?
@socrayes2010
@socrayes2010 Месяц назад
@@CatalystAthletics Appreciate the discussion and all the great video and instruction.
@CatalystAthletics
@CatalystAthletics Месяц назад
@@socrayes2010 Because it's biomechanics, not mechanics. If we were talking about forklifts, we could rely on just this equation - there is a single option for the lifting motion and no way for it to vary, meaning the only variable is the amount of force/power applied to lifting the load. The key point of this whole video is the one you're missing - that there are optimal positions of the body to execute a snatch or clean, and that strength/power are specific to position. So just "getting stronger" or more powerful, or generating more force/power, is only ONE part of the equation - those abilities must be developed in a way that applies specifically to the motion we need to execute.
@socrayes2010
@socrayes2010 Месяц назад
@@CatalystAthletics I rewatched the short video and your Q&A on DLs for Olympic WLing and it just appears that you contend that improving general strength (ie. the compound heavy lifts such as the DL, Squat, Presses, etc) just won't improve the Clean in particular because they are slightly different when the weight is so much heavier. Even if the same dude is working that specific skill of the clean at appropriately lighter weight. Like they will always fall back into the heavier DL position. Does that sound accurate? And would you say a progressively heavier RDL or any other accessory lift also negatively affects the clean in this same manner?
@torch469
@torch469 Год назад
My problem w/ clean pull/deadlift is I can’t bring the bar as high as I would on a clean …
@CatalystAthletics
@CatalystAthletics Год назад
On a deadlift, of course not - it's not meant to be accelerated like a pull. It will go to whatever height it is when hanging at arms' length and standing. In pulls, you should be able to accelerate enough to get decent elevation - but you're likely overestimating how high a bar goes in a heavy clean or you're still learning and lifting weights well below your physical capability, meaning the bar is going higher than it really needs to.
@tekensal
@tekensal Год назад
@@CatalystAthletics I've been learning oly by myself for a little while and this is a question I can't figure yet. How high has the bar to go after the second pull? In another of your videos I've understand is depending on the weight it will variate, but how to define one's minimum height? Thanks Greg
@CatalystAthletics
@CatalystAthletics Год назад
@@tekensal What I would suggest is get that completely out of your mind. Never once in my lifting career did I know an objective measurement for myself, and never once in over 15 years of coaching up to world champs level have I determined it for a lifter... it's an totally unhelpful metric in any practical sense and is just cluttering your head and preventing you from focusing on what matters. That said, bar needs to reach about 60% of your height for a clean... but its speed and your timing and position and balance and pull under etc all matter too, i.e. you can get a bar to that height and still be incapable of cleaning it if you haven't put adequate momentum on it, etc.
@congoose100
@congoose100 Год назад
Seems legit.
@Mr.Ciobanu
@Mr.Ciobanu Год назад
Understood!
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