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Today we're making a glass cutting tool for the Avid CNC router and attempt to cut some circles out of sheets of glass.
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00:00 Intro
00:44 Manual circle cutter
02:52 Lathe work
04:57 Milling the flats
06:11 Drilling and tapping
07:39 Assembly
09:43 First test cut
10:57 Controlling dimensions
14:14 Conclusions
Raw Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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@CCCfeinman55 2 года назад

Well, you pegged the problem earliest and best, when you described the propagation of the crack through the vertical plane of the glass being imperfect and uneven. Folks I know that need dimensionally correct pieces will use a 2 x 72“ grinder with a water drip and silicon carbide or ceramic belts with the piece mounted in a precisely positioned puck clamp and rotated against the belt to take off a few microns here and there until they get the exact diameter they want. The only other thing I know of to get better results, is to use a machine type press to split the glass just outside the wheel line, with consistent pressure all around. Or, getting closer but still shy of machine tolerances, use a professional grade glass cutting ($130-$2,000) machine. Or pay for someone to try a waterjet. Sadly, short of some of the above, you’re stuck with the kind of deviation that you’ve been seeing. Great video! Some days are learning days, aren’t they?

@Clough42 2 года назад

Yeah, this is what I'm concluding as well.

@JTillotson80 Год назад

@@Clough42 i should think the easiest method for simple circles is to cut a known dimension out of a material you can control and then score off that with a fixed offset. if you want 10.091, why can't you make a 9.591 circle blank, and score referenced off that with a centerpoint mounted in a 0.5 holder? basically an inlay technique but instead an outlay

@Clough42 Год назад

@@JTillotson80 the problem isn't the score. The problem is that the crack does not propagate straight down through the glass.

@ZXLMaster 10 месяцев назад

@@Clough42 Has anyone suggested using the drag diamond engraver to score your glass? If not, let me be the first. But as you said, the score is not the issue. Food for thought.

@Clough42 10 месяцев назад

@@ZXLMaster it's been suggested many times and I have attempted it. It hasn't worked for me. The edge of the scratch is kind of flaky and fractured, and the crack doesn't follow it.

@rodjsy6363 2 года назад

Having spent most of my life working in the glass trade the most accurately cut circle, especially in thicker glass is to cut a rough circle 4 inches bigger then cut your accurate circle right in the middle of that circle. This equals the stresses and works perfectly with a tidy edge every time.

@fozbstudios 2 года назад

Hope James sees this. Seems doable

@antonw8134 2 года назад

From the amateur astronomers I’ve seen on RU-vid, most cut (or mold) their circular glass blanks oversize, then wet diamond grind the blanks to the correct diameter. I think you’ve achieved the best results that may be achieved with the process you’re using.

@UncleKennysPlace 2 года назад

Yep. For mirrors, I just use a circular mask rather than make the blank perfectly round.

@ericmorriscompany9648 2 года назад

My experience from a project where I built 1400 doors with glass and mirrors is that getting precise dimensions on glass is done by grinding after cutting. Since glass is an amorphous solid and not crystalline it’s not going to break exactly where you want it. The grinding serves to give a safe edge as well.

@PennerFab 2 года назад

As someone who was a Glazier for most of my adult life, glass is one thing that you will almost never get to run without some sort of flaring 🤷‍♂️ water jet would be the most consistent thing you could do.

@rickshoop2063 2 года назад

The next time you run the part, mark the orientation of the part and see if the high/low dimension corresponds to where the axis reverses as it goes around the circle.

@Chris-bg8mk 2 года назад

That. Also to check if the larger dimension is consistently in X or Y, because you could then purposefully try to make an oval to compensate.

@justus1995 2 года назад

maybe also rotate the glass 90° between two cuts to see if it´s a material or cnc based problem

@milosrankovic8952 Год назад

If you cut two circles, mark their X and Y orientation and stack them so that X of first is on Y of second, you will see how much you are out of the circle or how much your gantry is off.

@DavePalmer 2 года назад

Great vid, my guess about the deviation is that the tip of the cutter is not concentric with the bearing. As it rotates it deviates.

@JohanDegraeveAanscharius 2 года назад

I think tou are absolutely right, to much points of play.

@matthewlee8917 2 года назад

As others have said I think grinding is the only way you’re going to get more dialed but I’m actually impressed with how accurate you method is.

@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад

For tiny boring bars, I use Simtek Simturn AX carbide bars that can cut OK down to about 2mm diameter. They do much smaller ones that go down to 0.3mm and they are reliable at 7-9 x depth. I use them to machine tapers from 4.5 down to 2.0 mm inside antenna feedhorns. I made a holder using a cross-pin and setscrew to set the orientation against the angled rear face because the factory holders are $$$$$$$. I "invested" in a full set of three-point bore mics and ring standards from 6mm to 50 mm, mostly from ebay purchases, and I've hardly used my old Starrett telescopic snap gauges since then.

@BrianBoniMakes 2 года назад

Used to get glass inspection plates for measuring color on moving materials, basically an optically pure sight glass. The glass shop Proscience would cut the flat sheets round then wet grind them to the exact size. Looked like a lathe with a huge steady rest and suction cups for a chuck. Did wonderful work, they were always perfect.

@0RDClark 2 года назад

Might be worth looking at the glass through polarised light, just in case there's any residual stress that's causing the circle to deform when broken away from the parent material. I would also, as others suggested, mark datum points on both the stock and circle to see if the variations are plane specific, and related to any internal stresses.

@markkrick8602 2 года назад

Not sure how much this will help but I'd guess the variation is due to slop in the carbide cutter axle and it's clearance slot

@ChazzC 2 года назад

This is reaching back into the deep recesses of my memory, but I think that the glass blower at UVA's Chemistry Department in the early 70's used a glass lathe & grinding wheels to make precision round items. I worked with him on a couple of research projects as part of a Summer job & my thesis (Chem Engr) and would always spend time just hanging around after he finished working my job or when I was picking up the fully annealed end product because what he could do was fascinating. Somewhere I have a complex mini reactor that he scrapped because it was out of spec (but no one knew it's not correct except him & me, and I guess now a lot of others).

@chuckinwyoming8526 2 года назад

Could you clamp the glass on vacuum riser block, find center and grind 0.020" off the edge with a diamond wheel circular G2 or G3 path in the CNC? Should result in a square edge and +- 0.001" circle. The vacuum block could be a box made with couple sheets of plywood, 2x4" edge spacers, a grid of holes in the top with a non slip pad and a large hole in the side for a standard vacuum cleaner. I use this design for milling PC boards.

@vanlife4256 2 года назад

I’m very pleased with your workflow and the pursuit for accuracy and precision!

@wdwerker 2 года назад

Probably 20 years ago a relative got a job running a CNC water jet cutter for a stained glass shop. Complex shapes were breaking unpredictably in expensive glass. They didn’t need super tight tolerances but the labor and material savings let the company finish ahead of the deadline and profit even after buying a very expensive machine back then.

@johnmatthewson6733 2 года назад

As others have said driving the crack around uniformly is the problem. As someone else suggested, cut from an oversized circle to make the boundary conditions uniform. Driving the crack by pressing downs with your fingers in a few places is not a great way. You might be able to correlate the out of roundness to where you pressed. However to drive the crack uniformly is I think the key. Once scribed you might be able the drive the crack with a flame. That might well move thermal expansion the wrong way. Try touching the crack with a cotton bud dipped in liquid nitrogen then once initiated, push the crack with the cotton bud keeping it wet with lN2. I also saw strange shapes cut into glass without scoring (except for a small initial crack.) The equipment had a head with three tubes side by side. If I remember correctly cold air was blown out of the middle tube and very hot air through the outer tubes. Apply that behind the crack tip and the crack will grow away from the cold tip and perpendicular the the line of the two hot tips. If the tips are moved and rotated in the right way, the crack can be steered around through quite tight radii. I’m pushing my faulty memory a bit far but I think it was used to cut precision display panels. And I just remembered that in the old days glass cutters would rub spit into the score - this lowers the stress required to drive the crack due to stress corrosion. This means the crack grows more slowly and is less likely to wander off the score line.

@bobluthier3031 2 года назад

Cool video. I think Stefan has a video where he mills glass with a regular carbide endmill. Pretty sure its one of his shop talk series

@GBWM_CNC 2 года назад

Great as always! Really smart tool.

@rkalle66 2 года назад

The glass cutting edge will travel in a sinus wave like way around the ideal path. Like train wheels on a track or wheels of a shopping cart. On a curve the mechanism is pulling the cutting edge not on a tangent to the circle/curve but a secant line. This will introduce side forces to the cutting edge touching the glass.

@billstrahan4791 2 года назад

Just need to make a strong suction cup device to hold the glass and go in your lathe with the 4 jaw chuck so you can adjust for runout. Then a strip of sandpaper on a mildly flexible backing that you can hold on the toolpost and slowly feed to hit final diameter. I say all of this mainly because I want to read the safety nazi comments if you do it. ;). As always, I enjoy your videos immensely!

@lwilton 2 года назад

Lens makers for 100s of years have stuck blocks of wood and dowels to their glass blanks to act as handles when grinding, usually by using melted rosin or hard wax. With a jig you could presumably get an axle positioned better than you could a suction cup (which is likely to slip sideways as you squeeze the air out), and has the advantage of not being particularly flexible. Once the axle is installed, proceed as you described. :-)

@bruinflight1 2 года назад

brilliant work!

@gregdittrich1206 2 года назад

Love your videos James. You deserve so many more subscribers.

@rbyt2010 2 года назад

Just curious... did you try just scribing the glass with the drag diamond? This would be sooo much faster than my diamond ring saw (and of course more accurate).

@moki123g 2 года назад

I use a diamond scribe to cut glass. The engraver probably would work great.

@shauncrosby7652 2 года назад

Was coming to ask the exact same thing.

@jimurrata6785 2 года назад

@v8Mercury 2 года назад

I also came to find this comment.

@lustenaderj 2 года назад

First thing that popped into my mind watching this too.

@samheasmanwhite 2 года назад

I have cut glass tube and rounded discs by putting them on a lathe and using an angle grinder on it, came out surprisingly accurate from such a crude method. If you have a grinding attachment for a lathe that would help, and I am sure you could use diamond or even just carbide tooling if you set the feed low enough (use a negative rake tool if you can). To be honest I think the easiest option would be to just grind off the high spots, fine carbide grit on a belt sander is very effective, but for adjustments this small you could just do it by hand.

@unpopular_mechanics 2 года назад

The tiny one piece carbide boring bars you get on mcmaster are great for small holes. Some are made by micro100, some are made by another brand that I can't remember.

@cullenpurkis4593 2 года назад

To bring the glass into round, try using a sanding jig like wood workers do with a pivot a fixed distance from a sanding belt. Sandwiching the glass between two pieces of wood may stabilize the setup as well. Good luck!

@roughlyEnforcing Год назад

dude this is fantastic

@g.tucker8682 2 года назад

I worked briefly as an assistant to a stained glass artist, on a large church job. (He used baby oil as a cutting oil, btw). There were several unusually large segments in each of the works, about 30" in some cases. We knew the glass would move some after cutting, but found it was much greater than expected, and the came (aka 'leading') would not cover the error. We re-cut the smaller parts that adjoined the large elements. The next day when we started to cut the lead, we found the glass had continued to move overnight. We ended up cutting all the large pieces for all the windows, and giving them several rest days to settle down. Anyway, glass can move after cutting, a lot more than I would have believed before I saw it.

@markfletcher6511 Год назад

I loved your video, for detail, thought process, and entertainment value. I was wondering if you were able to measure the accuracy of the scribe line prior to running the crack. That would take into account any error in the cnc machine and tracking of the cutting wheel around its pivot. Keep up the great videos.

@azinfidel6461 2 года назад

The one and only time I ever had a round glass table top made, they had a plywood table with a lazy Susan on top of it on which they placed the glass disc. Attached to the table was essentially a Disc Sander on its side. They just slowly turned the glass disc against the sander to finish the edge. Confident you can come up with the high-tech Precision version of this...

@nekotherion7317 2 года назад

Thanks for the good content. Keep it up

@elanman608 2 года назад

Just a thought I assume that the bevel on the edge varies according to where you press. I have seen a trick used by the guys who custom cut windscreens they pour alcohol along the cut line and light it the differential heating cracks the glass instantly. They do identical cuts on either face of a laminated screen close enough that they cut the laminating film with a razor blade.

@davidapp3730 2 года назад

With a grinding wheel made for stained glass setup in your CNC setup and a mist coolant you should be able to take off the few thousandths you need to refine the size/shape.

@gawaic 2 года назад

Hello Even in automated glass cutting processes, the guys use a petrol based lubricant/cooling placed on the path to cut before to run the carbide wheel. It seems to improve the cutting. Another thing : As it's a drag carbide wheel, it means it is slightly off centered and your cnc drives the trajectory of the center of your tool. Not the wheel. Could this lead to some discrepencies in the final dimensions?

@TravisFabel 2 года назад

@@johncoops6897 I guess you didnt read his comment, where he clearly said "on the path" and not "a few drops on the glass"... but more importantly he nailed the biggest problem with this... the cutting blade pivots on the center of the tool, and doesnt follow it.

@gawaic 2 года назад

@@TravisFabel Thank you john. You got my point! In car glass industry, they automate the cutting of glass parts and machines have a continousely fed flow of petrol lubricant ahead of the wheel.

@Gamerock82 2 года назад

@@johncoops6897 Yes but it shouldn't be oil. Turpentine works best. As much to lubricate the wheel as to ensure a good cut.

@tonyray91 2 года назад

Mineral spirits also works well

@stephensackett8920 2 года назад

Try using the diamond engraver to score the glass instead of the caster, it might improve the precision by eliminating the bearing run-out and wobbling of the caster.

@anmafab 2 года назад

I was thinking this too. Is it more likely to crack the glass than the scoring wheel?

@nathanliebespeck8088 2 года назад

The diamond engraver might actually work quite well. When I need to score glass I just use a carbide scribe. Similar to what you would use for marking steel. I would say there is a learning curve for getting the pressure right, but I would also say it's not that steep of a curve.

@stephensackett8920 2 года назад

@@anmafab I'm no expert at glass cutting but it couldn't hurt to try, after all what's more fun than wasting material in the pursuit of perfection?

@stephensackett8920 2 года назад

@@nathanliebespeck8088 James' engraver is spring loaded so tuning it may be as simple as adjusting the spring rate or compression. If that doesn't work next I would try to dampen the spring to keep the tool from vibrating.

@matspatpc 2 года назад

Whilst (usually) not round, the aquarium that are made on industrial scales are ground on the edges - I'm sure that's to some degree cosmetic, but it also ensures a better size. I have quite a few hand-made aqarium too, and the edges aren't quite the same straightness. I'm pretty sure, like Anton W says, the only way to guarantee precision roundness/dimension is to grind the edges. Because when the glass breaks, it will vary a little out or in from the score.

@sealpiercing8476 2 года назад

My first troubleshooting recommendation is to see if the score is round or not before you crack it, in order to see whether you need to improve the scoring, the cracking or both. Maybe mount the scored piece in the four-jaw chuck (somehow), center it, and put a microscope in the toolpost to observe the score line? Also, a few speculative ideas that might or might not improve the repeatability of the process. 1) Cut a circle around the circle you want so that the geometry of the cracking process is consistent. 2) put the glass on a sheet of rubber and use the CNC machine to do the cracking in addition to the scoring, maybe even without flipping the part. 3) Alternatively, glue the glass to a piece of aluminum, with all the glue outside of the score line, score it, then throw it in the oven to crack along the scores.

@Clough42 2 года назад

Your #1 sounds like something worth checking. If you watch, the glass definitely cracks differently when the circle gets near the edge of the sheet.

@sealpiercing8476 2 года назад

@@Clough42 Glad if any of it is useful!

@tee4222 2 года назад

#1 Yes! That is the key here. You always want to cut a circle out of a larger circle cut to equalize the stresses and tension all the way around. When cutting from a square, it changes as you go around causing the break to change angles. You’ll never get a perfect result from scribing but I think done like that, with his cnc cuts would produce the best possible result, aside from adding a blade to cut the underside as well.

@RobertLugg 9 месяцев назад

Basic questions for #3. What kind of glue? How hot in the oven? What is the end result? I guess it’s left over pieces from the outside with glue stuck on them? As an aside do you think that would work on concave and acute breaking?

@sealpiercing8476 9 месяцев назад

@@RobertLugg I don't know if it would work at all. In order to break glass cleanly, you want to pull on the score to open it. The idea in #3 was to use the thermal expansion of the aluminum plate to pull on the glass from all sides at once. I think any concave shapes would partially shield the concavities from that pulling, but the necessary pulling is very small so it might work fine. I've never tried this exact technique. Give it a shot if you think it sounds promising. I think the glass should have a sheet of water on top of it to give this method the best chance of working. Water greatly assists the crack-opening of glass, and the evaporation of the water would keep the glass cool, enhancing the pulling effect.

@andrewhall2554 2 года назад

I once talked to a man who made stained glass windows and told me he had good results cutting glass with a water jet CNC. Unfortunately, I don't know what kind of tolerances he was able to achieve, but I understand that this process can cut thin materials to better the .005".

@JohanDegraeveAanscharius 2 года назад

0.01 mm with waterjet = 0,0004" In Europe we also work with thou... sands of mm... change to decimal and you will work more accurate....

@geofferyshanen7758 2 года назад

Howdy great video. I know you probably already thought about this, but I use my Avid Cnc to cut vinyl and gasket material using a Dog River drag knife that functions almost exactly like your CNC glass cutter. One thing I did not hear you mention in your video is the drag knife blade offset. When I use the drag knife I use Vetric Aspire for the cad and cam work. Within Aspire there is a specific tool setup for a drag knife operation in the Gadgets drop down. One of the important settings required is to set the blade offset, this offset places the cutting edge precisely on the cut line. Once you set the dimension in the CAD, you do not try to chase the perfect diameter, you adjust if needed by changing the blade offset. I don’t know if this helps out, but I thought you might be interested. Great Machine work by the way!!!! Thanks

@knobbymcfeck 2 года назад

As is tradition! You said the phrase!

@geofferyshanen7758 Год назад

Great video as always! Just wondering, Garrett Frome has a great video on cutting perfect circles in wood using Vetric Software. His principal point is controlling the tool offset, not the circle diameter. He says you should never change the circle in the software, but true it up using the offset… Just a thought.

@jimmurphy6095 2 года назад

Filling the bearings with a much more viscous grease might take some of the "wiggle" out of the track, improving it a bit. It seems the bearings were slightly too free to move around.

@summerforever6736 2 года назад

nice work

@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад

Excellent video James! Is there any correlation to the error orientation with the clamping positions? I wonder if viewing under polarised light might show a grain or internal stress pattern in the glass? Perhaps then try cutting it with the "grain" at two orthogonal orientations relative to the bed to see if it's about internal stresses? If you can measure the diameter more precisely at multiple angles, is the shape an ellipse or just randomly not round? Is the draft angle different where the area of waste is larger, or do you have a consistent angle all round? Perhaps cutting the square sheet to an oversize circle first? How about using a hot iron to propagate the crack slowly like when cutting stained glass rather than using a bending moment, where the crack velocity is uncontrolled?

@jeffreyhallam5517 2 года назад

I have an idea that might help you out. Use your welding table as a jig for an over sized lathe. The fixturing holes should be precise and rigid enough to machine a spindle mount to hold oversized stock off of the side of the table. I came up with this while trying to come up with a way to cut large gears that didn’t fit in my lathe. It would only be good for low speed and low pressure operations but I bet it would work a treat. Plus you have a waaaaay better welding table that I do. Machine a vacuum spindle and an X/Y tool holder that index to the holes in your welding table and you could have precisely ground glass in the home shop. Heck I bet you could leave a drip trey under the glass and run coolant too.

@Sergiodj453 2 года назад

I’m more impressed with the adapter, nice work all around!

@Oberkaptain 2 года назад

Have you thought about putting a small flat on the 1/4in bar to assist with the grub screws? Awesome little tool fix.

@chromelleader21 2 года назад

Time for a water jet!

@MichaelMoore-or2fi Год назад

Good morning man your problems with the sizes is the steps in your machine if you re-calibrate your machine on the steps it’ll go correctly for you. I’ve been building CNC machines for about six years and this is just a simple configuration problem and your machine will be cutting perfectly on your measurements, just check and see which axis is different. For example, if the Y axis is out of measurement, you’re going to want to re-calibrate only the Y axis, but you have done an excellent job man.

@I_ammm_mojojojo Год назад

full penetration laser cutting has been the most accurate and consistent that I am aware of

@j.dietrich 2 года назад

Cool project and potentially useful for cutting flexible materials like leather or vinyl film. FYI Stefan Gotteswinter and Ben Krasnow have done videos on machining glass.

@heirik2012 2 года назад

Nice video, while I personally don't have experience with cutting glass there is an inherent issue with using a cartesian CNC to cut perfect circles. In my experience, you will almost have some deviation from the circle due to the axial nature of the cut. If you have the option I would oversize the cut slightly and then refind the edge on a lathe at very slow speeds.

@grendel1960a 2 года назад

the issue with concentricity on the original tool may have been made worse by that shim, that would have pushed out one side of the bearing, meaning the bearing centre was off the line of the tool, and as you rotated around the centre the shim would have thrown the tip off by its thickness as you rotated

@wnebergall 2 года назад

Why not just use the diamond drag to score the glass and save you all that extra trouble

@msmith2961 2 года назад

CNC a workholding fixture for the glass. Cut one side of the glass then flip and do the other side to reduce the bevel created when you chase the crack around the score lines.

@gregfeneis609 2 года назад

Really cool stuff, James. Perhaps you'll be able to get rounder parts with some elliptical pre-emphasis to the round cutting path? You'd have to get a way to index the part to the rectangular blank to the work holding fixture. Maybe the out-of-roundness is somewhat repeatable to a location in your machine. I hope you can see your way clear to tighter tolerances.

@adam207321 2 года назад

I also wonder if the non squareness of the edges is an effect of you putting the pressure on it. Maybe you could try thermally abusing the glass instead of putting pressure on it. Could possibly yield a better edge, or a more chaotic one...dont know just an idea.

@joell439 2 года назад

Very interesting 👍😎👍

@Fed3d 2 года назад

I think its totally okay to grind last 0.02-0.03 after. Maybe some rotating fixture to standard stained glass grinder.

@TheDistur 2 года назад

Glass is fun stuff.

@liampollard2908 10 месяцев назад

11:47 - nice!

@squelchstuff 2 года назад

The swivel has caster, so it would be interesting to see how the orientation affects the dimensions. Perhaps you cam make some XY witness marks prior to snapping the circle out James? My feeling is the caster does not quite follow the spindle centre, thereby introducing a concentricity error. Interesting experiment all the same. [EDIT TO CLARIFY] Is the cutting wheel caster truly concentric with the spindle?

@nils1953 2 года назад

It shouldn't be concentric, otherwise there would be no turning force to orient the wheel to it's cutting direction.

@squelchstuff 2 года назад

@@nils1953 Agreed, it should trail behind the centreline, but my poorly worded comment tries to point out that the scribing wheel may also be offset from the centreline, or even non perpendicular (camber) to the surface of the glass. Lateral play in the scribe wheel's axle may even introduce the errors observed. This is speculation based purely on the noted build quality of the original cutter of course, and I'm sure the inaccuracies could be characterised and mitigated against if they are found to be consistent in each of the XY planes. The snipers in the movies make it look so easy cutting a murder hole. Even on tempered laminate high rise building glazing no less.

@DavidLindes 2 года назад

@@squelchstuff I don't think the "murder hole" needs this level of precision... ;)

@leysmetalmecanica1885 2 года назад

Hello James, I think that the inaccuracy in the diameter could be due to the fact that the fracture in the glass is not generated perpendicular to the plane of the glass in the entire circumference, even I do not think it has a certain pattern. Could this be modified by marking the glass on both sides? it's just an idea to force the fracture in a certain direction. I clarify that I don't know how to work with glass, I even find it admirable how you separated the circle from the rest. As always, thanks for the great content on your channel.

@fourtwo7612 2 года назад

Or thinner glass?

@Gamerock82 2 года назад

Not an option, I'm afraid. Glass will immediately break along the first cut when the pressure of the second cut engages. That said, if the identical track was followed, on the opposite by a pressure wheel (not a cutter)... the break might be perfectly perpendicular. Glass is only slightly predictable with regards to break direction but one thing is for sure, it breaks away from a score line. With score on both sides there will likely be some splintering. I may be wrong as not tested but I was taught only score one side and never go over a score line, the tiniest angle change in the cutter can result in a splintery snap as opposed to a crisp cut.

@DavidLindes 2 года назад

Might be interesting to get some slow-motion footage of the roller during travel... I wonder if it's wobbling any. OTOH, I could easily imagine it just being variations in the run-out of the cut, too... Hmmm, perhaps you could set up a "lathe" for the sanding stage??? Somehow center the glass between two suction cups or something, with something driving them to turn..... Not sure if that could be reasonable. Anyway, interesting stuff, and hey, 17 thou isn't too bad. :)

@DavidLindes 2 года назад

oh, something else to try: the diamond engraver??!? Does that have a nice sharp point to it? It could maybe score the glass, too... maybe glass dust would build up and cause problems as it moved, but I know tubing cutters (or at least one style of them) don't have a rolling part, so... maybe you could get more positional consistency there, if (like others have also suggested) the problem is just that the wheel is wobbling about a bit (for any of several possible reasons)?

@AmateurRedneckWorkshop 2 года назад

That was more difficult than I had imagined.

@snaplash 2 года назад

MDF vacuum chuck slightly smaller than oversize disc. Program CNC to push disc to center with grinding wheel mounted. Turn vacuum on, then grind to final size.

@Clough42 2 года назад

Oh, using the CNC to push it into position is a good idea, and something that hasn't been suggested yet.

@think2hard422 2 года назад

Put something like your microscope camera pointing at the wheel as it goes around. You should see something flexing. Either that or the wheel doesn't stay exactly perpendicular to the cut. My guess is the cutting wheel/shaft has some axial play in it. The equivalent of a Belville washer might help.

@alfrond 2 года назад

i suspect along your lines here that a cutting wheel oriented off-bearing-center would consistently alter the cutting diameter, whereas axial play in the cutter could result in path instability so as to steer the cutter back and forth across the intended path.

@GT40Nut 2 года назад

James, it wasn't fast but it did work. My brother used a rubber mask and a sand blaster to make very intricate 3D engravings and cuts in glass. I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting to see how your new CNC router cuts something like maybe aluminum? Also what wireless controller are you using with your new machine? Keep it up, inquiring minds want to know.

@VoidedWarranty 2 года назад

interesting. from my experimenting with a vinyl knife on a cnc router, I was expecting it to cut very slightly undersize due to the trail/caster angle of the wheel. Though that mostly showed up for me in tight radiuses

@peirossmallhomemachineshop5364 2 года назад

Interesting. However, you have not checked if the larger and smaller diameters correspond to the same orientation on the cnc table. Keep also in mind that glass is anisothopic and this implies that the ´molecular’ structure is impredictable. However, I guess that you have achieved a good result for many applications. Nice vidéo as always.

@rokk8041 Год назад

Stefan Goteswinter describes how you could CNC mill plain glass using "normal "end-mills in one of his videos, there was a NASA paper written on it. Might give that a try.

@bigdogcnc6922 Год назад

We have a waterjet cutter and regularly cut glass to within .003.

@Bob_Adkins 2 года назад

I think the problem is with small irregularities around the edges, making the roundness measure more inconsistent than it really is. Hand sand a little longer and it will get closer than you think, faster than you think!

@JohanDegraeveAanscharius 2 года назад

Yes also, but one should suck it on a turntable with a fixed sanding device.(or let the router do the work, if it needs to be so perfect)

@Bob_Adkins 2 года назад

@@JohanDegraeveAanscharius Yep. I think it's just a 1 off, but if not, he'll figure out a fixture to true it up.

@matt-scher 2 года назад

Any glass supply company stocks carborundum stones that can be used to remove the sharp edges after snapping the glass on the cut. This is far safer than using emory cloth. For lubrication try kerosene. That is a traditional glass cutting lubricant.

@eddievanplayer 2 года назад

Have you ever run a Ballbar test on your X-Y axes to see if it's actually able to move in a true circle. It will also tell you if you have backlash in either axis. I'm figuring that your machine uses stepper motors instead of true servo motors. True servos are much more accurate. Ballbars are quite expensive tools but well worth it for diagnosing this stuff.

@BMRStudio Месяц назад

One of my friend producing circular glass plates for instruments, satellites, military devices, boats, laboratories etc… He can produce up to 0,0001 mm precision with….. Newspapers and a lathe! So… first he cut first raw square blocks with diamond disks. Then he cut each side again to 8 side. Then to 16. With this way, he isn’t introducing crack stress lines in the glass. Then he stacks 4 dead blank, 8 real plate, 4 dead blank to a tower with newspapers and water. Then he put this pile of pancake to a lather with a special rig, then with water and simple super cheap diamond disks, turning them to the right size. Then he disassemble the pancake pile, and with a nice Mitutoyo rig, finding the best pieces in tolerance. If something not good, he just keeping the pieces for future usage for small diameters, and or, dead blanks. He is a focking millionaire from this…

@JasonTHutchinson 2 года назад

You could try using a spiral leadin toolpath to preload the cutter so the start angle of the cutter is correct relative to the circle. Some of that error could be caused by the swivel not lining up perfectly at the beginning of the cut. You might be better off with a diamond or carbide insert opposed to a cutting wheel. The swivel can introduce quite a bit of error.

@Clough42 2 года назад

A curved segment to line the cutter up before moving to the circle is a good idea. But coming in to the circle tangent to it is a bad idea. Where the score lines intersect, the glass breaks off and leaves a peak. I tried the diamond point first, and while it scratched the glass, the glass refused to break along the line. I'm not totally sure why.

@JasonTHutchinson 2 года назад

@@Clough42 you could try a different technique in breaking the glass along the line. Instead of pressing down, you can use the end of a glass tool to tap around the edges. One common way is to slide the edge of the glass off the edge of the table and gently tap around the circumference from the bottom and then finish up by doing the same on the top. This will ensure that the glass is going to break at a 90 degree angle rather than being tapered.

@brandonthebuildertx 2 года назад

Now you need to make a glass lathe. I'm envisioning something like a record player to spin the circle with an oscillating spindle sander on the edge to both clean the cut and true the size.

@ArcAiN6 2 года назад

if you want to address the beveling of the crack propagation, score both sides of the glass, and when fracturing the score line, do so under water for a cleaner fracture, with less "walking' of the fracture along grain-lines of the glass. As always, make sure the CNC tolerances, steps/mm, and backlash are addressed

@bstanga 2 года назад

Great job! I wonder if you could use the diamond drag to score the glass?

@Clough42 2 года назад

Tried it. Failed. The crack doesn't follow the score line.

@foxabilo Год назад

Thing to check that's caught me out few times is that darn carbide wheel can have some side to side slop in it's mounting/bearings and last time it caught me out it was about 10thou either way of slop.

@ChristophLehner 2 года назад

You could try cutting both sides to reduce the bevel

@mistr_clean7557 2 года назад

use dowel pins to set your reference square and make a front and back cut on the glass

@jeffkurtock6726 2 года назад

Would it be easier to assure orientation of the swivel blade just by starting the cut on a tangent? Or would that cause the "crack" to go awry once you try to remove the circle from the sheet?

@PacoPR28 8 месяцев назад

Must be nice for intricate stainglass pieces.

@jimj.9106 2 года назад

James, It looks like all the clamping is done from one end. Relocating the clamps to equalize pressure may help.

@Clough42 2 года назад

The surface the glass is on is as flat as the glass, so the clamping doesn't introduce much, if any stress. The ten failed attempts I showed at the beginning of the video were done by hand with no clamping, and they have the same issue. It's a property of glass that makes cutting below that level of precision impractical without grinding.

@bkoholliston 2 года назад

Always fun videos! Why not try your diamond drag cutter? Do you think you have lateral runout in cutting wheel on its axle? At least the diamond drag would not have any play.

@CharlesBallowe 2 года назад

What's the runout on the cutting tool? Is the cutting point perfectly centered in the spindle as the orientation changes?

@gaboonviper85 2 года назад

I think you'll need to grind the OD to a finished dimension by maybe sandwiching the glass between two fixture plates so you can spin the disks in the lathe and grind the od of the glass via tool post mounted grinding attachment.....

@InRegardsToMetal 2 года назад

This might be a bad idea, but if you had a consistent setup, maybe you could score the glass on both faces? Perhaps that could prevent the cracks from propagating with a taper.

@jtwhite2084 2 года назад

Have you measured how much the cutter wheel can shift from side to side on its axis of rotation?

@SR-ml4dn 2 года назад

I Think the problem is here, the cutting tool is wobbling around. You could also Cut Them On oversized measure and mount the CNC with air driven grinding tool and let the CNC router make the circle again.

@TylerHicksWright 2 года назад

Mount the laser to the spindle, put the glass in with the ceramark already on it, and do both steps in one setup.

@trapiturette 2 года назад

hey James, hope not repeating (have not red all comments...) but to me the play here is on the scribing wheel that shift a little on its axis, perhaps a little shim washer would narrow the movement? I can remember when I used to cut glass for art frames, the cutting/scribing wheel was quite loose.... and thanks for your great videos!

@dannyschell1095 2 года назад

great video! there are many good suggestions in the comments. I would think if the orientation of the egg shape is consistent then just compensate it in the CAD before you CAM it... good ole Kentucky windage!

@egeoeris 2 года назад

Perhaps turning the entire plate on a rotating table while the cutter/radius is fixed can give better results since it's only one axis to be worried about.

@jeremycable51 2 года назад

That’s the idea I had

@switchgrindgamer1878 2 года назад

I think, it would be better to use a diamond-tip. When it´s spring-loadet and stationary, the deviations must be go away.

@switchgrindgamer1878 2 года назад

@@johncoops6897 Then I would try very light hits with a small hammer from behind right under the scoring. According to my experience, a vertical crack forms in the glass

@anthonycalia1317 2 года назад

When I studied stained glass, we were taught to always wet the cutter in kerosene or similar to achieve the best cuts

@Clough42 2 года назад

I wet the cutter with light oil and left small puddles that it rolled through at a couple of points around the circle.

@phoolb7326 2 года назад

Very interesting. Is there a tendency for error based on the glass direction with respect to the sheet when it was purchased? Could be internal stresses that developed during cooling that affect the bias of the break. You could correct this by just cutting a properly corrected ellipse if the axis is repeatable. I also initially thought that a misaligned bearing would be the issue, but that would just move the center of the glass you cut with respect to where you thought the center would be by a few thousands. Now I'll loose a few nights sleep until I (or You) figure it out.

@scottallen3660 2 года назад

I was wondering the same thing. Could be tested by marking the short and long axis inside the circle before cutting. See if there is a correlation.

@Gamerock82 2 года назад

I would love to see the results but as far as I am aware there should be no directional differences, in stresses or thickness, etc. If this is regular float glass, that is. I would imagine these factors would change with toughening or annealing. Toughened, for example cannot be cut this way at all.

@phoolb7326 2 года назад

@@Gamerock82 I agree with float glass I wouldn't expect much stress, but I am assuming that this is plain cheap borosilicate glass which I believe is rolled in production with a relatively quick cooling time. I certainly could be wrong though... A good day is when I'm right at least once. lol

@JaakkoF 2 года назад

You could grind that edge. Imagine two ball bearings riding the edge of the glass and a cutting tool in between the bearings, offset to get whatever diameter you are aiming for (essentially forming 3 points that define a circle). Then just push the glass against the bearings and rotate full 360 to grind it.

@Clough42 2 года назад

Pretty sure that won't work. The feedback is backwards. A piece larger than the desired diameter (which is what you must start with) won't touch the cutting tool at all. A piece smaller than the desired diameter (already too small) will engage the cutter, and it will get smaller and smaller until it slips between the guide bearings.