Making A Wooden Box - Veneering the Lid

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Making A Wooden Box - Veneering the Lid. Rob Cosman shows you how he prevents his large wooden box lids from cupping or warping, by veneering the lid. If you always wanted to make a wooden box then this video is a must see. Rob is a master in the art of making a wooden box and has perfected his lid making techniques. Now you can learn to veneer your wooden boxes lids just like Rob.
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@alexag1997 Год назад

Great book for a beginner . ru-vid.comUgkxD-QRFQz730FJEh4f9BYSf-nkIMIC9hL_ this book really starts from the beginning, as in it explains what basic tools are and how to use them. But when it gets to the art of creating joints and how and when to use them this book really starts to teach you something. At least that was my experience.

@emmysan93 6 месяцев назад

The way Rob Cosman talks you can really tell he’s a teacher who has a well of knowledge that he is eager to share. It’s really nice to see a passionate teacher such as this.

@nickh9774 5 месяцев назад

He's the Bob Ross of woodworking

@bruinflight1 2 года назад

'Not the prettiest piece of wood..." beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder ^_^

@dukeengine1339 3 года назад

That is supposed to satisfy my question about veneering without having a professional press. Thank you, will treasure this!

@J.A.Smith2397 3 года назад

Never veneered, have never planned on veneering, yet here I am JUST BECAUSE it's taught by one of my favorite teachers and I know from history il learn about something I do want n ty rob cosman for your time and your sounding better!

@dale1956ties 2 года назад

I'm never tempted to fast-forward through any of your videos. Watching a master at work is always fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

@stevepark5504 3 года назад

To glue a crack in wood, I apply the shop vac hose to the back of the crack and apply glue to the front. The vacuum will pull the glue through the crack. Franklin Glue Co. says a 3/8-24 bolt thread is the best glue trowel. I use one, especially for tambour, because there is minimal squeeze out.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Great ideas, thanks

@essextwo Год назад

The high density foam between the wood and top/bottom pressure plates is straight up genius. Gonna keep that in my back pocket. 😎

@nathanfife2890 2 года назад

Your band saw absolutely massive. I didn't even know they made band saws that big.

@marinemikeusmc6529 3 года назад

I'm a combat disabled marine vet who loves the channel. Been trying to get back into wood working after some really difficult past few years. Just wanted to say thank you for the great videos and all that you guys do there.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Hat is off to you Mike! We consider working with the Vets both an honor and a privilege.

@brucekokkinn6347 3 года назад

Great teacher, no ego trip, learnt a lot. I will be back!

@felixbeene7494 3 года назад

@68shiloh 3 года назад

As always another great video. Thanks Rob

@Ammed_KN6STX 3 года назад

Another great video!!!! Looks like a Luther!!!!

@kainemeshkin6662 3 года назад

Great video, learned a lot!

@68shiloh 3 года назад

Rob I watch all your videos and I am never disappointed.

@jccapwell 3 года назад

Thank you for another great learning experience. For cutting veneers on my band saw I wax the table, the bandsaw blade and the rip fence. The process seems to go smoother. When you are concerned about that glue fill repair in your veneer sticking to the foam wax the foam so the glue does not stick to it. I like it better than tape. I have not used MDF. but I will give it a try as a substrate. There were other neat bits of info buried in this video. Thank you again.

@David_K_Dickson 3 года назад

For the tape trick, fold the last 1/2" over on itself to give you a "Tail" to grab hold off. This makes it easier to pull the tape off afterwards.

@robertbamford8266 3 года назад

With all the pressure do you think that extra layer could create a depression in the veneer?

@rjtjtckt3998 Год назад

Inspiring as ever keep it up Rob and Co.

@trongod2000 3 года назад

The stiff mat you used to make cauls can purchased a farm supply stores. Ask for stall matting. It is really perfect.

@rjsenn4142 3 года назад

that's the first thing I thought of too! I have a Tractor supply just down the road....

@johnburens3395 3 года назад

The scrub plane is a handy tool I'm finding. The jointer should have U.S.S. FLATWOOD painted on the side, maybe even paint it grey and have some model planes on the deck when not in use!

@hardnox6655 3 года назад

Great video and beautifully explained. Thanks for sharing. Now, I'm looking for an old bowling alley to purchase. Lol

@johncaulfield8621 3 года назад

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Well said...thanks

@brave_ulysses5958 11 месяцев назад

Wow, Rob Cosman using MDF. I never would have guessed it. 👍

@kevindowd7769 3 года назад

Very good mechanic Rob... very good torque sequence with all the clamps!

@andrewbrown8148 3 года назад

Great lesson~! Now I need to put my Laguna bandsaw to the task and try this myself. Looks like it's going to be boxes for Christmas gifts this year. Thanks Rob~!!

@trainlens3789 8 месяцев назад

Rob, I appreciate that you keep your blade guide down close to the wood on your band saw. I see lots of videos where the thing is all the way up and it seems so dangerous.

@gpurkeljc 3 года назад

I love it when sustainability and superior quality go hand in hand. 😎

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

I totally agree

@45mattress 3 года назад

Loved this video. Surprisingly, I have all of the tools you used tonight, so I should be able to do it. Mattress Doug

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Hey Doug, good to hear from you. Hope business is back and growing! Next year is getting close, keep your fingers crossed.

@andrewwilliston5798 3 года назад

I got a lot out of this video, gluing and clamping especially useful right now. Thank you for the tape idea.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Thnak you for watching and commenting

@captainblie52 3 года назад

Rob,you keep encouraging me .If You make a mistake you show how to fix it.Thank you so very much

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Its all about fixing your mistakes

@michaelwright1852 Год назад

Most informative

@rogerdudra178 Год назад

I think having a Canadian champion of the Bassmaster's Classic is a very good statement on Canadian fishing greats.

@MrAtfenn 3 года назад

again, perfect timing for me. i just got a piece of birdseye that i have been trying to decide what to do with. i knew veneering was an option but have never had it laid out like this before. thanks again for sharing what you have learned from your teachers with us.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Thank you for watching and commenting

@rubarb0406 3 года назад

Rob, Thank you so much for sharing. Would you please do a presentation on your table and clamping system?

@jessenunes4327 3 года назад

My woodworking has improved intensely since I've been watching robs videos . Great video

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Thanks for watching

@dale1956ties 2 года назад

43:25 "Hand plane is just as fast..." Yeah, and infinitely more satisfying.

@jesserhodes8283 3 года назад

Hockey stick grip on the clamps is my favorite part, definitely canadian😉

@harrymason1053 8 месяцев назад

Very nice careful work, better than I would do by a factor of 2 or 3 at least. Kudos.

@storylineamerica4108 3 года назад

Finally Rob is using the masking tape method, love it!

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Yea I really like it. Cant beleive I waited so long

@storylineamerica4108 3 года назад

@@RobCosmanWoodworking The team you've put together is awesome and I dream of working in a shop like yours. Your craftmanship and knowledge is unparalleled, thank you so much for the years of inspiration!

@dkbuilds 3 года назад

Watched this whole video start to finish, it's a great one. Just the right amount of editing to keep the pace up/keep viewers interested Luther (if you're the one editing). Oh, and nice woodworking skills too, Rob :)

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

I think we could have trimmed a bit more at the end...maybe I could have gotten another 6 minutes...Started out at 1 hour and 17 min!!!!!!

@davidpisarski5620 3 года назад

I look forward to trying this technique on my next box. I have a nice piece of birdseye Maple and now know how to get the most of it. Thanks for the video Rob and team.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Sounds good. BE maple looks great veneered

@chasam95 3 года назад

Was that 1/2 Mdf? I missed that.

@leapinglemurcraftworks6426 3 года назад

Perfect timing. I recently purchased some large pieces of black walnut with incredible grain patterns for box lids....now my lids will remain flat and I will get more lids out of each piece.

@gazzabowers1184 3 года назад

Just found yr channel, have subscribed & liked.. Stay safe everyone 😷 Gazza

@robertbamford8266 3 года назад

With all the adjustments you made to tune the veneered top, it seems like making the top first might be the easiest way to build a bigger box. (Although making the top with thicker banding could make box first work.) Really enjoy the reality in your videos. Thanks.

@storylineamerica4108 3 года назад

Absolutely amazing bandsaw, wish I could find one like it.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

I think old woodworking machines are always superior

@storylineamerica4108 3 года назад

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Can you recommend a good place to buy older machines of quality?

@HiHi-qv1jt 3 года назад

Thank you

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

You're welcome

@kennykong6330 3 года назад

This is great! I have been making your style of wood hinge box getting ready for Christmas and am concerning about cupping on the lid as I make the box bigger. Couple questions, Rob, how thin the lid can you use? I used a 5" x 6" x 1/4" on one box and it sings when closing because it's rubbing a little on one side, compare to couple others that I made with 3/8 thick lid, it doesn't have that problem. Is there a way to eliminate that? Thanks

@harpintn 3 года назад

I have 2 old hand planes that belonged to some deceased family members. I always wondered how they were supposed to be used, and what they were for. The ones I have are in very bad shape so I doubt that they are salvageable. Thanks for the video It is nice learning something new.

@danthechippie4439 3 года назад

Hi Rob, I took your advice and bought a tagi tape (the red one) just got it yesterday. I had to buy the metric one as we use millimetres over here. It looks a lot smaller than the one you are using but it's still a great tape, very accurate so thanks for that Rob

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Hope it works for you. Yes they have lots of sizes

@gregsarsons1221 3 года назад

Sure wish I had a bandsaw to cut my own veneer. Nice technique!

@dubsbarry9963 2 года назад

Great video! After cleaning the crud off the foam rectangles to achieve even pressure, you then use masking tape to hold down the edges before clamping with the cauls/foam. Wouldn't that cause uneven pressure too? Or is it just too miniscule to worry about? Love your videos Rob! Thanks a million!

@danielszemborski 3 года назад

6:05 I can't stop laughing at how far you have to reach over on that mammoth jointer!

@rmtoelle 2 года назад

Good technique for warped board "fix" as follows using a power planer, take a piece of 1/2 plywood just larger than the board that's warped. Place the warped board on top of the plywood, put wedges under gaps and a stopper on one end of the warped board to keep it secure so it won't slide going into your planer. screwed down stopper at least 1/2" below the lowest part of the warped board so it can pass under the surface planer. Put painters tape under any big gaps and use hot glue to fill the gap/voids and secure the plywood to the warped board. Now run the warped board through your planer until you have the top side of the warped board nice and flat. Now you can flush cut the other warped side on band saw, or run it through the planer also. As long as the board is narrow enough to fit through your planer it will work great.

@bilbaggins1 4 месяца назад

EXCELLENT VIDEO. I doubt that the time & effort to do this lamination could be recovered in the end price unless your boxes are extremely expensive! All the same an interesting process. If the wood lids shrink I would have thought it was due to the wood not being dry enough for the purpose. A bit longer on the shelf perhaps??? One concern; the gluing application with a trowel looks a bit hit & miss... aka Uneven. I would suggest a foam or rubber roller for spreading out & levelling the glue before the next step. 🙂

@rroades 3 года назад

I've never used cambered cauls, but after the number of clamps needed + the 1" MDF, would that provide any easier/quicker clamping and still achieve the even pressure? I only started looking for 1" when starting the bench but haven't found it in Oklahoma. I initially thought you would not need as many clamps as you ended up using. You mention a vacuum press. I also have never used one of those, but will you be trying it in the upcoming videos for Christmas presents?

@Greatdome99 3 года назад

42:45 : Your tapping on the veneer to detect voids is exactly what aerospace firms do to detect voids in honeycomb sandwiched carbon fiber panels--but with fancier tools than fingers!

@Borescoped 3 года назад

Rob, soon it will be getting very cold where I’m at, and I’ll have to transition to my basement for the first time for winter woodworking. What shop tools should I be building now to take with me (was thinking of trying to build a better shooting board and bench hook). I’ll be down to hand tools only once it gets too cold outside. Perhaps this would be a good topic for another video? How to prep for a tiny indoor winter wood shop? Tools, shop made tools, finishing supplies. Maybe even simple projects to continue doing during the winter to practice increasing skill, perhaps making boxes or gifts for family/friends.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Workbench #1, workbench appliance #2, stuff to keep your tool sin (tool box or cabinet) wood storage

@haroldgolden5437 3 года назад

A good job, and well presented! Do you use scrapers much for smoothing veneered surfaces?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

If I need to, but I do not often need to. I can do all with a sharp plane blade

@mr.dankman 5 месяцев назад

Rob, I love your videos and really appreciate the things I've learned from them. Your tiny, half-empty glue bottle was driving me nuts though 😂

@joehirschegger7723 3 года назад

Would you recommend box made of veneered MDF suitable for a humidor?

@georgenewlands9760 3 года назад

Thanks for the lesson Rob. I don’t have a big bandsaw but I’d like to try making my own veneer. Have you ever tried hand cutting veneer? I’m guessing that’s how it was done pre-power tools. I can also see why a vacuum press would be a great idea if you were doing this regularly though.

@mypony891 Год назад

I second this question. I don't have a band saw that large either. How would you do this in any other way?

@johnkirwan762 3 года назад

I made a lid out of solid book matched spalted beech- looked great for about 1 month- then turned into a potato chip as soon as summer hit..... Will try this method next time maybe!

@maverickstclare3756 2 года назад

Never thought of it before, but a bolt head on the F-Clamp handles could really help with the tightening, you could even use a torque wrench to make all the same.

@rroades 3 года назад

I saw the prep of some Limited Edition saw handles! Oh - sorry, got distracted. I have done some veneering, and some inlay. I'm still watching... He's just trimming on the sled...

@usnchief1339 Год назад

finish walnut with alkanet root dyed linseed oil...looks beautiful

@greggdrennan 2 года назад

Rob, What was the reason for using white glue to adhere the veneers instead of rubber cement? Thanks for another great video.

@brodystowers8092 3 года назад

What are your thoughts about using CA glue to fix that problem corner? Inside and outside. Thin CA glue so it runs into the crack.

@craigsmith3645 3 года назад

Hey Rob, I use tape like you are doing a lot. Buy a table top dispenser for your masking tape! Much easier, quicker, one handed operation.

@ottomaselli7762 3 года назад

Great video , thanks . Some people use contact cement for veneering, does it make any difference ?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

I prefer wood glue. It has a much stronger bond

@felipehuibonhoa7338 3 года назад

Same here. What thickness though is ideal for the veneer?

@justglueit Год назад

Hey rob could you make a cutting board that way if you used thicker veneers

@steve6139 3 года назад

Your use of a veneers ties into a question that I've been meaning to ask you. I haven't seen you use a surface or drum sander before and wonder if prepping veneers would be a good use for one.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

It’s actually something we’ve been debating in the shop. Would be nice for thicknessing small pieces...

@denniswall980 3 года назад

Rob you're remarkable. I'm 65 years old and have always enjoyed woodworking. I'd like to develop my skills if it's not too late. Your thoughts?

@ericklassen742 9 месяцев назад

Hey Rob, Nice outcome. In BC, we have aguy that recycles old car tires and makes mudflaps and pick-up box liners. It is quite dense but it is pliable and does conform to surfaces. I was wondering if that would be suitable as a cushion for your irregular glue-ups. let me know if you need contact info should you want to explore that option.

@davidtarquin3577 3 года назад

Rob at the 44 min mark, why use the hand plane vs your 5.5? More control?

@abdulahahmadzai9461 3 года назад

When gluing the crack to stabilize it you could have used a vacuum on the back side to suck all the glue through the wood and deep into the crack to really stabilize it

@Andy-in8ej 3 года назад

That was so elongated to the point of COMA.

@danielbraca6180 3 года назад

Love your videos, this was great! Do you have any advice in regards to materials for anyone who DOESN'T happen to have huge, thick rubber mats leftover from a bowling alley in their shop!?! I'm an architect by day, so I have maybe a couple products in mind and I'll ask around. Perhaps contractors might be a good resource.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Yes, options are: piece of hard foam mat you can easily get at any box store, a cork sheet, closed cell backpacking sleep mat, yoga bat, etc.....

@danespen5772 3 года назад

@@RobCosmanWoodworking I'm putting rubber matting on my basement floor right now. For the kind of rubber you were using, horse stall mats (mentioned above) are the cheapest source of hard rubber mats. Grain and feed stores carry them. You can find rubber flooring with a similar thickness and hardness, but it's going to be pretty expensive. Be prepared, the horse stall mats weigh about 100 lbs each.

@ProDMiner 2 года назад

Rob I have a question about this, if I took hard wood around the perimeter of the lid, the in the inner side of the Perimeter made a dove tail across that, ten slide the top in. So length rails go first then side ones to finish the middle together. How strong of a lid would this be ?

@BrianSmith-ow9gy 3 года назад

Would you ever set the veneer inside the box made by the 4 edge pieces to protect the edges of the veneer? When you stick the edge pieces why don't you line one end up with the carcass so you only have to plane/trim one end? My dad used to steam his veneers when they were twisted (and to conform them to rounded surfaces like the bands on a round table), is that still an OK method to resolve veneers which aren't flat?

@opensourcedev22 3 года назад

Those hairline cracks in walnut are so common. It just adds to the fact that it's a rare hardwood, expensive, sought after, and then once you get a good board, you often need to check it. Still, a great wood to work with. Also, 11 clamps for that small lamination, it's not going anywhere ;)

@Alex-qp8ym Год назад

Hi Rob: Would this be a good use for a vacuum press?

@robertwehmeyer9684 2 года назад

I was just wondering if you have ever tried vacuum bagging instead of the clamps? If so what did or didn't you like about it? Thanks for your time. I really like your videos. RCW

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

I have a lot in the past. Works great however I never had heavy material so I would be constantly patching holes.

@arthurmccutchan7000 7 месяцев назад

That is a monster

@Mickey-qs9pm Год назад

A book binders press would be ideal for veneering the lids.

@dr.skipkazarian5556 3 года назад

Hi Rob...I'm new to your channel but I want you to know how much I personally appreciate your direct involvement with the Purple Heart Project....that means a great deal. Your ability to provide such clear and concise tutorials is as good as it gets. Your knowledge regarding the use and care of tools and your innate ability to create designs, structural connectors, and hinges is incredible. One thing though...as a university professor (English)....the words out and about are pronounced "OWT" and "ABOWT"...not "OOT" and "ABOOT" (just kidding you). Best wishes and stay healthy.....eh!

@glencrandall7051 3 года назад

As you were preparing to saw the first sheet of veneer I was wondering if it would have been easier to glue the walnut to the MDF before slicing the veneer. After seeing the whole process I guess not. I know that is is required to veneer both sides of lumber and plywood. But is it necessary to do both sides of MDF? I'm thinking of an application where the inside of the box would be covered with flocking. As to your method of teaching, it is outstanding. You don't rush through steps which makes it very easy to comprehend everything. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and please continue to stay healthy.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Yep same principle applies. Do to both sides so you have an equal amount of moisture to prevent cupping. Of course MDF is much less prone to warping but I still follow the general rule.

@rroades 3 года назад

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Glen - the flocking doesn't put the same tension (albeit light) as the veneer. But a secondary wood saves the good stock for more boxes and would not seem to add much in thickness. My question for Rob - Does the flocking change how the lid would fit if it is also flocked? How would you compensate if so, using the wood hinge? (I still need to watch any existing and the new ones coming out) Would you just use tape around the inside border to keep the flocking back?

@avenger429 2 года назад

Late to the game but I believe gym flooring may be very similar to the material you were looking for. It's kind of expensive, but should be fairly similar and cleaner than horse stall mats.

@bobmorgan5367 3 года назад

Have you used a sprinkle of table salt on the glued surface to keep the veneer from sliding around? Works very well. I’ve used it to laminate 4 layers of 1/4” mahogany together with no slippage.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Yes i have. I dont really like it as you can easily use too much salt and get a clump. Happened to me once and i never used salt again

@stratigf 3 года назад

Nice hockey tape job on your clamps..llol

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

And it really helps gripping th ehandle

@DanielThibodeau2 3 года назад

Would salt have prevented the veneer from moving while glueing up?

@joseluisvalle5263 3 года назад

After seeing this video I understand that you can never have too much clamps...

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Having too many clamps is a scientific impossibility

@1deerndingo 3 года назад

There's no substitute for a sharp blade. Well done. 1. Is there a reason for not using mitred corners or is just a matter of "I do it that way because I do that way." Which is fine too. 2. Would flattening the veneer by tapping it down to the bench and then using the No.7 on it do the trick? Rather than having to find foam and such for the clamp-up.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

On these boxes you cannot see the end grain with the lid closed so I dont go through the longer process of fitting miters. Planing such thin stock is very difficult. Too hard for my taste

@Offshoreorganbuilder 3 года назад

Thanks for another excellent, practical video. One small point which might be useful, regarding getting the glue into splits, such as that of the crack on one corner of the veneer: put the glue (thinned down a little, if need be) on the surface, and then apply the vacuum-cleaner nozzle underneath - works every time.

@massimofarrugia4434 3 года назад

Is that a bespoke adjuster on the 5 1/2? It seems much better than the traditional wheel adjuster. Is it something you could get off the shelf, or a home-made improvement?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

robcosman.com/collections/planes/products/rob-cosman-plane-adjustar?variant=32422529990722 Better yet, WE put it on the shelf.

@ManuelGarcia-ww7gj Год назад

Have you tried painter’s tape instead of maskling tape? If so, did painter’s tape do the job?

@Nicoya 3 года назад

That glue-up looked like a headache. Thoughts on using contact adhesive or hammer veneering with hide glue instead?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

I prefer wood glue, it has a stronger bond

@rroades 3 года назад

Why do you use masking tape instead of painter's tape? Is it less likely to break when stretching to pull it tight? I've avoided actual masking tape because of the residue. Where I've always differed in veneering is that I cut my veneers at about 1/8", then (via David Marks) used a drum sander to reduce them to 3/32" uniform. This was fascinating watching to see the caution on the defect and use of the foam in the cauls. I'd used cork before. Will that work to compensate for the variation in thickness? It has when doing a bent lamination in forms so far.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

I have never used cork but I suspect it would be a good material to use. I was worried painters tape would not stick well when I put it under tension>>>>I will give it a try

@dominicdiclemente8877 3 года назад

@@RobCosmanWoodworking I've used cork to good success.

@davidbaulch3223 3 года назад

Could you have dabbed on some naphtha or acetone to remove the stubborn tape and residue? Had a chemist friend of mine suggest one time, appeared to work with no compromise on the wood.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

I have never tried that. I think a better suggestion is to use painters tape next time

@NotARealDuck 3 года назад

How do you feel about the trick to add some table salt to the glue to prevent the sliding when doing broad surfaces like this? Do you think it harms the quality of the glue joint?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 года назад

Well there is a trick to that trick. If done right its OK but its easy to screw up. You must use very little salt, one or two sakes and thats it. If you use to much it can clump together an prevent your boards from setting together