Making an Engine Turned Watch Dial

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I'm back! Took some time away from content creation to develop some new stuff for my brand. I've taken a slightly different approach to this video; no talking or narration, just making chips.
In this video I make a dial for an upcoming series of watches. The dial is a monoblock construction with integrated dial feet. It starts off as a bar of 360 brass and is carved away into a engine turned (guilloche) dial that is finished off with a plating of rose gold. The dial will receive black polished applied indices and black polished and blued steel hands.

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@alsadaj1834 Год назад

You're a lucky guy to not only have access to all these truly remarkable machines but to be able to use them so well. Thanks for taking us back to pre- CNC days!.

@richardnedbalek1968 Год назад

The satisfaction you must receive from both admiring your own work and having it admired.

2 года назад

Super nice work bro.

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

Thanks! I'm a big fan of your channel!

@zachsmith3524 Год назад

Nice adaptive tool path and Swiss tears 😂. Your process is great Darren!

@ateliervipond 2 года назад

So happy you're back making videos. Wonderful to see more of the process!

@ReubenSchoots 2 года назад

Yes! I've waited a year for this. Brilliant work Darren. Much respect 🙏

@grzegorzsobczak8167 2 года назад

Amazing job! Saw Your first videos on building the turning engine months ago and greatly anticipated the results. They are stunning!

@chrisblight6069 2 года назад

Saw this on Instagram, very nice work on the Guilloche, and the integrated dial feet are a clever addition. Certainly gives the whole thing more strength, dial feet are a pain to fix normally.

@garyshirinian 2 года назад

Amazing work thx for sharing. I wish I had a chance to do what you do. Such pleasure watching work being done on guilloche machines when you see taking life of its own.

@ProbablyAtTheOffice Месяц назад

Hell yeah that is so neat. I wanna get in to making watches and this dial is incredibly inspiring 🔥💪

@homeworkshopengineering Год назад

Beautiful work there. I started making myself a watch many years ago and put it aside. This is very motivating to get it done. I say watch, I mean case

@RedPandaLesbian 2 года назад

Beautiful, thanks for sharing your process!

@michaelmartinez5365 Год назад

That is an absolutely stunning dial!! Kudos 👏

@paulschumacker9901 2 года назад

WOW! I would love to learn how to do that! Many thanks for showing us what is possible!

@hutchdw77 Год назад

The “Swiss Tears” bucket got my subscription.

@JeePeeEs 3 месяца назад

LOL

@dimitriivanov6910 Месяц назад

same

@KylesKinetics Год назад

I’ve worked with metal in the form of welded sculptures for ten years. I’ve loved watches for longer. I started taking machining classes and I can’t stop thinking about watch making like this. I’d do anything to be able to machine watch parts and work in that art/engineering medium

@TheRecreationalMachinist 2 года назад

Enjoyed watching, thanks for sharing! 👍 🇬🇧

@LawrenceButcher 2 года назад

You milled the feet in, serious flex you animal! Love you're work and great to see some content again. Keep it up.

@robdon6458 2 года назад

You do some really lovely work. I hope your watchmaking enterprise is wildly successful.

@minhoonyoo9657 2 года назад

Great result and quality video! thanks for sharing your work :D

@feafajic6392 10 месяцев назад

Excellent craftmanship

@DarkPa1adin 2 года назад

so much work just to make one dial... this is insane quality!

@colerogers3137 Год назад

I machine my own dials, not with a rose engine lathe but with a manual mill and lathe. I had some trouble with super glue holding throughout the process so I switched to JB Kwik weld. When I’m finished I soak it in acetone for a few hours and it comes right off.

@campbellmorrison8540 8 месяцев назад

Fascinating seeing the whole process, Im really surprised at how little time was required in the rose gold plating bath. Im loving how you make your own gear

@JeePeeEs 3 месяца назад

great video & beautiful work

@harryhirsch3637 2 года назад

Great video. The plating part is very helpful. For the turning, us normal mortals will have to find a way with a china cnc-router... But that dial looks stunning!

@Saving-Time Год назад

That's amazing really nice work. I'm impressed

@Karol235 Год назад

fantastic job!

@manuelr.s6328 Год назад

WOW...stunning, thanks so much for showing the process

@AppliedCryogenics Год назад

I like the mad scientist plating baths! I tried doing something like that once, and every single ferrous object in my garage rusted overnight. Even hot-blued things. It was very surprising. Maybe I shouldn't have run so much current through the HCl solution that steamed all night. ;)

@CMacE920 2 года назад

Beautiful!

@SwissplWatches 2 года назад

totally incredible!!!

@tomcruz3774 Год назад

That's amazing. I was searching on yt how certain dial patterns were made and found your video.

@anad2982 Год назад

You really like this video? It is different. Old technology don’t you reckon?

@Likeaudio 2 года назад

Nice work

@petercozzaglio6070 Год назад

Beautiful.

@brennerheavy 2 года назад

Awesome work brother, if I could "like" it twice, I would.

@TheKnacklersWorkshop 2 года назад

An enjoyable video, thank you

@stephlaw5958 Год назад

Real nice! Great work. Keep it up :))

@satyris410 Год назад

I would so much prefer just listening to the ambient noise, rather than the muzak. Masterful work, thank you for sharing.

@azazel7996 Год назад

beautiful

@stewartmcmanus3991 Год назад

Amazing.

@SingaporeTravellerAdventure 2 года назад

Nice! Thanks for sharing. Wish you happiness, health, and peace, stay in touch🙏😊

@andrejohnson6731 3 дня назад

Amazing ❤

@wannabecarguy Год назад

I know a machine shop that specializes in impossible things. They lack what it takes to make this type of master piece.

@pamdemonia Год назад

Lovely!

@jozefnovak7750 Год назад

Super! Thank you very much!

@jemofficialromantic492 Год назад

Very very nice

@jcs6347 2 года назад

I have thoroughly enjoyed this. I am new hobby guy and never knew what a rose or straight engine were until I watched your videos on them last nite. I am looking for how you make the indices now. I like the different format for this demonstration. I also really like your detailed video 1 and 2 on how you are to make the straight line engine. I have most that equipment at home or work and can't wait for you to finish the straight line engine and potentially make one myself. Thanks for sharing!

@_GOD_HAND_ 3 месяца назад

Did you build that rose engine yourself? Incredible

@tito_662 Год назад

Awesome work. Any update on this piece?

@imajeenyus42 2 года назад

There's something so satisfying about seeing the pantograph engraver in action! Did you experience any problems with the brass blank warping after so much material had been removed from one face during milling? Funnily enough, I did something similar a few weeks ago, and the blank warped and popped off the holder half way through. It might be something to do with the alloy though - it looks like you have a free-machining material, more like you'd get in bar form, while I had the ductile stuff (long string chips when turning).

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

I'm using 360 brass (free machining) in extruded bar form. So far it's been super stable while machining. I remove nearly equal amounts from both sides, and the dials have been coming out dead flat. The lead content allows it to machine more powdery, you can especially see it while engine turning. It breaks the chips off very short, when non-leaded brass alloys will produce a long stringy chip.

@imajeenyus42 2 года назад

@@DMTiffanyTimepieces Thanks, that makese sense. 360 sounds about the same as the CZ121 we have here.

@druma159 2 года назад

So glad to see you back. This video is awesome. Are you planning on releasing any more about your straight line lathe?

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

I probably won't be revisiting the straight line build for a little while. Though I do plan on making a video on my Hall straight line engine that I restored.

@druma159 2 года назад

@@DMTiffanyTimepieces Ahh, that is what I saw in the backgound. Would love to see a vid.

@zumwild 2 года назад

Born feet first! So beautiful to "watch" :-)

@thibaultravel9331 Год назад

That’s amazing and tasteful as well. How much are the watches ? Any plans on selling dials?

@BaltimoreKnifeandSwordCo 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing this!! Anyone dreaming of a good pantograph let me know. I have a heavy spindle Gorton P2-2 available very cheap. Love to see it go to a new craftsmen. I replaced it with a P1-3. Located in 21104 USA at a fraction of what I paid.

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

The P2-2 is a beast. Wish I had room for one more.

@melody3741 5 месяцев назад

WHAT!!!!! Milling the feet like that???? Holy shit????

@andrewspence3171 Год назад

I have no abilities to make a thing like this. What amazed me, was the number of steps taken to make the finished ( except for numbers and hands) dial. I would probably make a real mess of it if I tried. I would take the brass bar, face it in the lathe, part it off, glue it to a support and mill out the 12 recesses, then mill the pattern, then plate it. Where is that wrong? ( sorry, should have said, the dial is superb)

@misterhatman5771 Год назад

Just found this. Didn’t know you could hook a pantograph up to a mill!!! What’s the feed back and haptics like?

@emalis Год назад

Hi! Thanks for the video! What is the name of the guilloche machine and where can I buy it?

@vidsantoro 2 года назад

Swiss tears, lol. Great video!

@ammonrichards3131 Год назад

Have you made a video about the process you showed in the video of changing the color of the brass?

@RossWristWatchLove 2 года назад

Fire!!!!

@joshuanapier1463 2 года назад

Really interested by your use of the pantograph to creat the dial feet. May I ask why you do it that way rather than milling and either tacking or gluing the dial feet in position??

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

The milled dial feet are just way stronger and more accurately placed than soldered feet.

@sphandengraving5691 Год назад

Truly amazing work! Are you on Instagram? Do you sale any of your dials? I came across this from searching his to solder feet on as I’m trying to get some black dials for hand engraving. I sure hope you make some more videos this is something I can come to RU-vid for thanks for sharing respectfully Paul

@zeemonkee13 2 года назад

Fascinating process. Just wondering how you harvested that much Swiss Tears?

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

When I tell them that I make watches in imperial measurements, the tears flow like the river Nile.

@zeemonkee13 2 года назад

@@DMTiffanyTimepieces 😹🎉

@jeroennishikigoi1164 10 месяцев назад

I wish i could learn this somewhere

@garyshirinian 2 года назад

Here I'm watching again your video. It's so beautiful. What kind of rosette are you using, what the pattern looks like. It's incredible.

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

Thanks Gary. The rosette is a 24 wave, 0.005" amplitude.

@garyshirinian 2 года назад

@@DMTiffanyTimepieces thx very much. When I retire in 5 years I feel like making a small one for hobby. I wish that I could come and yours someday. I live Toronto Canada 🇨🇦. Thx for replying. So I'm guessing that it's radius not just a step. Is 6" in diameter? Because when I look it seems about there. Thx again

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

@@garyshirinian My rosettes are 5.25" in diameter. The pattern looks just like a low amplitude sine wave, but wrapped around a circle. Very smooth transitions, and I'm using a ball bearing as the touch piece.

@garyshirinian 2 года назад

@@DMTiffanyTimepieces thx for replying. I would use also ball bearing. Is it just in .005 or in .005 out .005

@leahannwhite1111 Год назад

Can you tell us more about these machines you are using?

@dimman77 2 года назад

Great video, but any reason you don't just face the backside on the lathe then spotface and solder on some lathe turned dial feet? I mean besides just for showing how awesome pantograph milling is.

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

The milled feet are significantly stronger and more accurate than soldered feet. It's worth the extra material/time to do it this way to avoid having to scrap a dial with hours of work into it because one of the feet fails.

@brokenarrow1348 2 года назад

'Swiss Tears' sounds like a drink served at Russian hockey games.

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

It's a delicacy enjoyed around the world!

@feynthefallen Год назад

Is that what they do in Geneva to make these super expensive watches.

@TheLeeattwood Год назад

Wicked 🎉

@melchizedek_v Год назад

I never knew it had to go through so much process..I thought it would be like we'll have the pattern in pc and make the pattern using laser

@Victor33 2 года назад

Amazing. Do u sell them ?

@soundmindtv2911 Год назад

"Swiss tears" 😂

@vidsantoro 11 месяцев назад

I gotta ask: what's the difference between depth of cut and total depth?

@user-ei2de3cs8g Год назад

good mashine)

@A.Pipetkin 2 года назад

Bravo. Сэндвич это очень хорошо. Вам нужно работать с серебром

@nunsc Год назад

where can I buy a dial like this?? it's for a custom mod.

@abdulrehmanahmedshaik19 2 года назад

Amazing do u sell them?

@911_dan2 2 года назад

👏👏

@LucasGuillemette Год назад

Swiss tears 😭

@douglaslodge8580 2 года назад

Did you build the lathe ?

@JacobthePoshPotato Год назад

Why not use CNC, is it not precise enough?

@aliaslan4164 6 месяцев назад

Hello What is the brand and model of this rose engine? home made? please can you give me a plan

@wileecoyoti 2 года назад

Looks amazing! Two questions: would you approach it the same way if the dial was domed? Eg I've got a longines 280 based watch and a couple spare movements, the dials look pressed but maybe not. Second do you have a video going over your plating process in detail? Third, not a question: the homemade rose engine is a work of art for it's own sake.

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

Thanks Ryan! Usually domed dials on watches have been stamped. While there are ways to engine turn a dome (think Faberge egg,) it's a more challenging process that requires some unique parts when it comes to the cutter frame and cross slide. I don't have another video going over plating, but it's definitely something I can cover in more depth in a future video. In the meantime, if you have specific questions or want to bounce any ideas off me feel free to shoot me a message on IG.

@tom18181 2 года назад

Did you get another pantograph engraver? I notice this one is green

@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 года назад

I did! The green monster is a Gorton P2-3 3D pantomill. It's capable of running up to 3/8" tooling, and I use it primarily in my case making process.

@tom18181 2 года назад

@@DMTiffanyTimepieces Nice as!! You will have to make a video on that too

@freshdugi Год назад

What kind of Guilloche machine is that? It appears as though it could have been shop made.

@DMTiffanyTimepieces Год назад

I built this rose engine myself. I have another video on my channel where I go over the machine in detail.

@yesjared950 Год назад

Do you know any watch dial manufacture?

@marcn8750 7 месяцев назад

Nice video thanks you. May I request no music in the future ?

@b1r2y3n Месяц назад

No, you may not.

@bendeguzszabo3269 Год назад

Woooow what is that machine called??

@melody3741 5 месяцев назад

Holy. FUCK.

@deadprivacy Год назад

"swiss tears" lol

@Spikeydelic Год назад

wtf is this kind of sorcery. I need to now.. how did you make this brilliant interface to run the machine?! the mill i man .. u guide it with delrin blocks it seems. but how.