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Making clay and grog crucibles for melting metal 

Jimmy Cogg
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This is how I make crucibles for metal casting. 50/50 w/w grog (crushed fire brick) to fire clay with the barest minimum of water to make the mixture adhere together so that it can be compacted into a mold. Once fired they are very strong. ....and are as cheap as chips!.

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@jeremykiahsobyk102
@jeremykiahsobyk102 3 года назад
It's not overdone, it's quality-assured and thorough!
@branni6538
@branni6538 2 года назад
This is great! My pottery skills aren't great but I can mek a pot to boil water. This technique will save me doing the sausage coiling carry on. Thanks! I can't wait to try it and boil a brew in it!
@wazzazone
@wazzazone 2 года назад
BRAVO Jimmy, the best on RU-vid
@__austrianoldboy_9861
@__austrianoldboy_9861 Год назад
Thenk you for sharing your knowledge!
@nicholecrouch311
@nicholecrouch311 4 года назад
I like the way you made that mix one thing my boyfriend is trying to make a crucible that can withstand the Heat enough to melt copper with and brass and all those higher temperature Metals than aluminum and he ran across this video and he said he learned a good mix from you and also that he needs to keep his drink way further away then you have your cup of coffee in the video LOL he said whenever you started ramming it in you would more than likely have half a cup clay grogg in the bottom of the cup he doesn't have a mold like you do but he plans on making one soon because that makes it a lot simpler to turn out a few crucibles like that liked the video
@itanc1
@itanc1 3 года назад
nice work dood! i have one in the oven as we speak, trying to make them for and induction furnace melting iron. i used a cast 2 part ali mold for the outside and a nylon plug for the core. i found your channel hlaf way through my build but would maybe have copied you if i had seen it a day earlier. big up the home melters!
@thomaswhite4609
@thomaswhite4609 5 лет назад
he goes so long without drinking his coffee...absolutely amazing!
@bohorustica8545
@bohorustica8545 5 лет назад
If I left my coffee so close to the mold sure as rain I'd have clay in it in no time : )
@tomharrell1954
@tomharrell1954 4 года назад
Thomas White MATE HE IS ENGLISH IT’s TEA!
@bowlweevil4161
@bowlweevil4161 2 года назад
@@tomharrell1954 what ever he's drinking I bet that clay is tasty
@peterxyz3541
@peterxyz3541 3 года назад
This info is useful. Thanks!
@ryanwassle4824
@ryanwassle4824 3 года назад
This video really made me appreciate the other guy that I watched do this on RU-vid it only took him 10 seconds to form a Crucible in a mold if you haven't seen the video just imagine building the template in a completely opposite fashion to this one
@TheMattjudo26
@TheMattjudo26 4 года назад
Very cool!
@9traktor
@9traktor 3 года назад
Very interesting! Will be my next job to cast cylinders for my Gold Star....
@user-ug5sb6qg1u
@user-ug5sb6qg1u 24 дня назад
Of all the uses for Vaseline, this is my second favorite.
@tomharrell1954
@tomharrell1954 4 года назад
Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy oh mate I got to know how does the tea taste with the grog? I am just kidding mate. You’re doing a hell of job! I love the crucibles! I am going to give it a go! Thanks for posting! If you weren’t so far in England I am sure you would be a great mate to lift a pint or two.
@sageosagie8390
@sageosagie8390 3 года назад
Good job, absolutely amazing. I love mold pattern & will like to try my hands on it. I have successfully made crucible to melt brass fired two to three times with great success, I used natural modeling clay with pulverized charcoal.
@dominicjulius3108
@dominicjulius3108 Год назад
ok
@Dyshof
@Dyshof 2 года назад
Thanks man, helpful!
@1495978707
@1495978707 Год назад
2:15 The reason for the grog is to reduce shrinkage and cracking. Grog particles are larger and already fired, so they don’t contract when fired again.
@malcolmmutambanengwe3453
@malcolmmutambanengwe3453 3 года назад
thank you Jimmy :)
@expatconn7242
@expatconn7242 2 года назад
It’s been awhile.. have you glazed any yet. Is there a vid . Love to see that . Great work.
@klausschwabshubris
@klausschwabshubris 4 года назад
That was a very cold cup of tea ☕️
@AndrewBuchen
@AndrewBuchen 4 года назад
Just wondering if the box were hinged would it be easier to pack the mixture more tightly with the lid open? At least to the point where you cap it off.
@merdaslian9606
@merdaslian9606 5 лет назад
How many degrees of Celsius does it heat and what metals is suitable for melting?
@pedroernestobraga
@pedroernestobraga 5 лет назад
same question from outhers, I think use this to make my frunance fire wall (hot face) U think these can work well for these purpose ?
@jonathangofast559
@jonathangofast559 3 года назад
The glaze is borax , relatively inexpensive and can be applied after the first furnace treatment, then it can be brought back up to temp around 1000 degrees celsius for the glaze to melt ..thanks for sharing this method, i learned something
@bobbyfulks4614
@bobbyfulks4614 3 года назад
Do you wait for The Crucible to cool down before you apply the borax? And then heat it back up to a 1000 degrees Celsius
@jonathangofast559
@jonathangofast559 3 года назад
It's best applied to a hot crucible so it sticks to the walls and won't pool at the bottom, borax needs a high temperature to glaze, to get it to stick only needs roughly 400 degrees Celsius
@steviesuperstar
@steviesuperstar Год назад
You can put locator dowls in the box to instead of keep screwing it down each time. Once it's screwed up turn it over drill 2 or 1 hole down each side and glue a dowl in the bottom bit. Then make the mixture a little more watery and pour in the top. Take longer to set and dry but none of that ramming with a stick.
@1495978707
@1495978707 Год назад
Problem then is that you could get some settling if it is rough enough, so you’d need to get the water just right
@STEVETHEBARBER
@STEVETHEBARBER Год назад
@@1495978707 then get it just right, one try at it should give an indication of how much to use.
@baltazarmush8843
@baltazarmush8843 Месяц назад
Thank you for the video. What is the difference between grog and fire clay?
@name6440
@name6440 4 года назад
'Graphite pencil as composit will it work to make graphite crucible mold
@joeblowjohnny2297
@joeblowjohnny2297 3 года назад
Mr. Jimmy , has the cog mixture been holding up very good for steel melting ? Any crack yet ? How many burn time you average with this mixture of crucible before replacing it ?
@gizish
@gizish 5 лет назад
Nice video! Very informative! I have a couple of questions. 1. How long do you wait for them to dry before the first firing? 2. How long do you heat them at 250 celcius?
@tomekokej
@tomekokej 3 года назад
@ivan schafeldt Thanks
@moonolyth
@moonolyth 3 года назад
I used to belong to a forum on this subject and the reading became long and complicated. Now you say these will last up to 5 uses for bronze Wow. That is good to hear. Do you think anything more could be added to give them a longer life? graphite perhaps.
@lincolnhantsbarger3306
@lincolnhantsbarger3306 3 года назад
Just a suggestion but you know the part where you firmed up the top rim.....just a thought but why dont you put the clay in from that side initially then put the peghole plate on and flip it to do your final pack from the bottom side and to make sure it comes out even????? Again just a thought might save some time.
@nesabrdza6548
@nesabrdza6548 4 года назад
Hello :) Thanks for your video,he is very instructive ♥ I have a question, what would happen if you went into that mixture, for example, added 1kg coal dust powder + 1kg grog + 1kg fire clay and mix with water ? Best regards from Serbia ♥
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 4 года назад
I don't know. What do you want to achieve with the coal dust powder?
@wisteria4360
@wisteria4360 2 года назад
How many degrees celcius can this crucible withstand?
@gpetheri
@gpetheri 2 года назад
OK, just built one. Hope it works....
@user-wx8rw4qe5f
@user-wx8rw4qe5f 11 месяцев назад
Can I know the second article what is a heater and thank you 🌹
@davejackson6929
@davejackson6929 4 года назад
:) 4:05 I'll name that tune in three Bob.
@gonova8412
@gonova8412 4 года назад
Can I use a regular concrete mix. I need to withstand max temps to melt steel
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 4 года назад
I would say definitely not. Cement is not refractory. It will burn out at steel temperatures.
@richardf.dossii3900
@richardf.dossii3900 5 лет назад
So a crucable made like this would be fine for copper,brass, aluminum, silver, gold and small amounts of iron? As for fire brick..that's just common red brick..yes?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
Copper, brass, aluminum I have used them for all these. Iron I understand is possible but I have not melted iron nor precious metals such as silver or gold. Fire brick is a dense ie heavy, fired brick ie it has already been cooked and is refractory, (fire resisting) in a furnace.
@amarmasz1216
@amarmasz1216 4 года назад
Hi sir.. Where's can i get the fire clay?
@hayatel2557
@hayatel2557 Год назад
What temperature Can it resist?
@Michael-vp4zt
@Michael-vp4zt 4 года назад
when making these crucibles is it okay to have sugar in your coffee?
@fredbecker607
@fredbecker607 3 года назад
Probably tea for him
@thefrenchfoundryman7724
@thefrenchfoundryman7724 Год назад
Hi, excuse me i don't understand you mix 50% fire clay and the other product is ? Thank you
@evansquartz4268
@evansquartz4268 3 года назад
Sir what's the recipe for the mold itself not the crucible?
@turlesfy399
@turlesfy399 2 года назад
Where can I buy fireClay? I can't find it anywhere. Could you pls leave a link so I can reproduce this crucible
@jovanceharambasa
@jovanceharambasa 2 года назад
Sir i have made a forge last days and now i'm trying to protect air pipe from high temp, but i dont have fire clay, can i do it with 1 part grog, 1 part cement, 1 part hydrated lime and 3 part sand that is recept i found online, i now cement is not suitible for fire what do you think about that recept
@jovanceharambasa
@jovanceharambasa 2 года назад
Grog i have is from fire bricks that i have smashed
@khawk7365
@khawk7365 5 лет назад
So how did it turn out? Did it do okay to melt aluminum? How many cast have you had with it? And what fire lay did you use? I was thinking about making my Hot face of my furnace this way.
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
The crucibles turn out well. I've only done 5 or six melts with these (one litre capacity) and I use them for brass, which is hotter. No problem with Aluminium. Not sure what you mean by "Fire Lay". The furnace I use is oil fired.
@elektrobear2027
@elektrobear2027 4 года назад
Jimmy Cogg pretty sure he meant "fire clay" 😃
@pieking66
@pieking66 5 лет назад
NICE JOB, would a handfull of chopped glass fibre in the dry mix add to the strength of the finished crucible I wonder? would appreciate your thoughts.
@court2379
@court2379 Год назад
No, it would melt during firing and make it weak at high temperatures.
@almotafail1
@almotafail1 2 месяца назад
What material do you mix with graphite to make it wet?
@blackfordoblique1965
@blackfordoblique1965 3 года назад
I wonder if he over does do doo too
@CaptainRadack
@CaptainRadack Год назад
What is the time in the oven and what it the time on firing and at what Temp. Please.
@TimLee356
@TimLee356 4 года назад
you should've played "unchained melody" in the background
@hiRafia
@hiRafia 3 года назад
If possible, the recipe makes the crucible, thank you, brother
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
It is in the intro This is how I make crucibles for metal casting. 50/50 w/w grog (crushed fire brick) to fire clay with the barest minimum of water to make the mixture adhere. Also in the video 1.55 minutes onwards.
@khawk7365
@khawk7365 5 лет назад
Can you do a video showing what shape the crucibles are in now?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
Yes I've got a couple available.
@khawk7365
@khawk7365 5 лет назад
@@JimmyCogg thank you look forward to seeing it
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
@@khawk7365 No problem I've just uploaded a view of them. Hope it helps you.
@carlosmehicano8052
@carlosmehicano8052 4 года назад
hey do you think you can recycle old crucible material to make grog?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 4 года назад
I would say that it is probably contaminated with metal. It might have absorbed metal/material which will expand and contract at different rates and cause weaknesses. Crushing bricks or other high temperature fired material is probably a better bet.
@almotafail1
@almotafail1 2 месяца назад
What oil do you mix with graphite?
@ShaileshYadav-pc1jg
@ShaileshYadav-pc1jg 2 года назад
What is grog ?
@Richardson501
@Richardson501 4 года назад
How do you crush the fire bricks to sand size?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 4 года назад
It's work, but at it's basic a decent hammer with the firebrick against a form of an anvil, a large stone, piece of steel etc. You will get particle sizes from dust to whatever size you want. Wear eye protection and gloves. Don't breathe the dust and have some kind of method for collection, such as spreading a cloth out.
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 4 года назад
You can buy it from ebay if you don't want to make it, like I did.
@jeffery19677
@jeffery19677 4 года назад
Why not loosen the inner form and let it sit That would let it cure more slowly and you wouldn't get deformation when you removed it from the mold.
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 4 года назад
I made three, one after each other and didn't think about that. Your suggestion is brilliant. I like it.
@BurgardPottery
@BurgardPottery 3 года назад
When you purchased the grog on ebay, what did you type in to search for, I can't seem to find any. Thanks
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
Try this...... www.ebay.co.uk/itm/402249638777?hash=item5da7f26379:g:ZCMAAOSwgy1eqztj
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
But it is quite expensive for what it is......try searching along these parameters.
@marmac567
@marmac567 3 года назад
Hi,, what temp and duration for firing please??
@alfonzograzadaushka3470
@alfonzograzadaushka3470 2 года назад
Slow and steady wins the race!!! Too quick on the way up, or on the way down, increases the failure rate...Thermal expansion is the villain, The grog has allready been fired, and offsets the properties of the clay to minimize thermal shock....As for how High??? Way High, higher than you would ever need to go!!!
@elektrobear2027
@elektrobear2027 4 года назад
Would bentonite clay work?
@luciusirving5926
@luciusirving5926 3 года назад
Use sodium silicate if you need to replace clay.
@mrlikwid100
@mrlikwid100 3 года назад
That garage looks familar! Is that coffee or tea?
@bradley200711
@bradley200711 3 года назад
can you use these crucibles for melting at 2500F for iron?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
Sorry I've not tried them for that. Copper brass and aluminum is my limit so far.
@luciusirving5926
@luciusirving5926 3 года назад
You would need to replace grog with graphite for casting steel.
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 2 года назад
@@luciusirving5926 The graphite will leach into the steel leaving you w/ cast iron, I should think.
@kayateknik9328
@kayateknik9328 3 года назад
Apakah anda punya channel youtube yg lain? Tentang teknik
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s6ZmDY5Vma8.html
@noahd8673
@noahd8673 3 года назад
Hey not let it harden in the mold?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
No, you don't want to let the crucible harden and bond to the mold. if it hardens in the mold it may be difficult to separate from the mold without catastrophic damage. Get it out while it is still soft. It is delicate, but you can then dry it and then fire it to make it stable.
@MartinusBoekhorst
@MartinusBoekhorst 2 года назад
4:00 Wondering if some of that mixture fell into the cup a tea 🍵 🤔....
@akansara3881
@akansara3881 4 года назад
Water use percentage
@kayateknik9328
@kayateknik9328 3 года назад
Bahan bahan yg di perlukan apa saja? Trimakasih
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
keramik atau batu bata non-glasir yang dihancurkan halus dan tanah liat api yang dibasahi sedikit dengan air.
@turlesfy399
@turlesfy399 3 года назад
can i use cement instead of fire clay?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
No, sorry but the high temperature of the furnace will just burn out the cement. I would imagine that the crucible would just fall apart. The fire clay is used because it is relatively stable at higher temperatures.
@luciusirving5926
@luciusirving5926 3 года назад
No! But if you have to replace clay, then use sodium silicate.
@NKG416
@NKG416 5 лет назад
can't find firebrick in my area, can i substitute it?
@NKG416
@NKG416 5 лет назад
can can you melt steel? with this
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
I would suggest old crushed clay bricks. Basically a dense already fired heavy clay brick.
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
@@NKG416I've not tried it. I believe steel is a higher temperature than iron. The crucible needs to be made of a refractory material that will stand that sort of temperature.
@NKG416
@NKG416 5 лет назад
@@JimmyCogg i wonder what they are made from back in the day to do crucible steel, thanks for the info sir!
@amarmasz1216
@amarmasz1216 4 года назад
can i order this crucible from u?im from Malaysia..
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 4 года назад
That's very kind but these are rough hand made crucibles. I don't make them commercially.
@amarmasz1216
@amarmasz1216 4 года назад
oo..alright sir...tq
@Cristian-kv2up
@Cristian-kv2up 2 года назад
Che materiale hai usato? Sabbia? Cemento? 🤔
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 2 года назад
Grog (mattone ceramico (senza smalto) ridotto in polvere) + Fire Clay 50/50 in peso, il tutto impastato e poi inumidito (inumidito) con poca acqua
@hossamslime9354
@hossamslime9354 5 лет назад
Hi what grog
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
Grog is crushed firebrick. From dust to 1mm sized particles.
@cliffschiller4159
@cliffschiller4159 3 года назад
What is crog
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
Grog - Crushed unglazed pottery or brick used as an additive in plaster or clay. It is clay that has already been fired and then crushed up. Being fired it is a refractory material, relatively stable under high temperatures. I hope that helps.
@druszan17
@druszan17 3 года назад
can you please give and other word fro grog ? I wasnt able to get it translated to my language .
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
crushed unglazed pottery or brick used as an additive in plaster or clay. I hope that helps.
@druszan17
@druszan17 3 года назад
@@JimmyCogg Thank you sir ! You know not english is my native langugage so sometimes i need to use translator . But now its cristal clear ! :)
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
@@druszan17 You are very welcome. My pleasure.
@amarmasz1216
@amarmasz1216 4 года назад
sir...can i know where can i get grog..
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 4 года назад
Grog is crushed refractory brick, ie dense clay that has already been fired. So if you can find a hard heavy brick and crush it down to a sand like and powder consistency you have grog.
@amarmasz1216
@amarmasz1216 4 года назад
@@JimmyCogg oo..ok sir..tq so much..
@hardcase1659
@hardcase1659 3 года назад
@@amarmasz1216You can also use old pottery.
@amarmasz1216
@amarmasz1216 3 года назад
@@hardcase1659 thanks sir for information.. Im appreciate that
@dominicjulius3108
@dominicjulius3108 Год назад
thank you
@blackfordoblique1965
@blackfordoblique1965 3 года назад
Why not cut the sound during ff and narrate more details on your great instructions. Best so far it is.
@mobmob5944
@mobmob5944 Год назад
I seen a big chunk of clay fly into your beverage 😆
@khawk7365
@khawk7365 5 лет назад
Fire clay
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
It is just fire clay. It is a high temperature firing clay. It is used for chimneys in the UK and is sold as "fire clay". A good potters supply should be able to direct you.
@khawk7365
@khawk7365 5 лет назад
@@JimmyCogg thank you again.
@omvalmiki401
@omvalmiki401 3 года назад
what is grog.
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
Grog is powdered refractory material. For example clay or clay bricks that have already been fired in a kiln or furnace and crushed down to a powder. The result is "grog". It is relatively inert and stable at high temperatures as it has already been "fired".
@omvalmiki401
@omvalmiki401 3 года назад
@@JimmyCogg well thanks best of luck in your projects Alleluia. God bless USA.
@nurofenaddict5905
@nurofenaddict5905 2 года назад
i took a shortcut and taped a portable massager to a stick 3:17
@jamieclark7221
@jamieclark7221 5 лет назад
whats grog
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
Hi Jamie. Grog is crushed firebrick. From dust to 1mm sized particles. Basically it is already fired clay/pottery/brick which has been pulverised. You can get it from a pottery supplier or ebay. As it is dense and already fired it is relatively thermally stable from an expansion and contraction point of view. The clay you mix it with acts as a binder or glue, then it is refired in the crucible shape. Hope that helps.
@marcinrzepa4945
@marcinrzepa4945 5 лет назад
@@JimmyCogg well, I'm sure that's will help me, thx man this is all I was look for. One question tho, it has to be heated before first use?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 5 лет назад
@@marcinrzepa4945 yes it has to be fired. It is heated up slowly and then taken to a very high heat for quite a while and then cooled down slowly. I heat them in my domestic oven to the highest it will go about 250 degrees C then take them out and put them in my furnace and take them up to metal melting temperature to fire them. When they are cool again, they ring like a bell when tapped.
@marcinrzepa4945
@marcinrzepa4945 5 лет назад
@@JimmyCogg thx man that's very helpful. I will give it a try in a few days ane see if I can manage this, thanks a lot
@curtcoker6359
@curtcoker6359 2 года назад
Better to over do than to do over
@arthurn9237
@arthurn9237 3 года назад
WHAT THE HELL IS GROGG I GREW UP KNOWING AS SOMETHING TO DRINK LIKE A BOTTLE OF GROGG
@moonolyth
@moonolyth 2 года назад
Grogg is the stuff you wipe from your eyes when getting up in the morning.
@user-ci3dg4lb2d
@user-ci3dg4lb2d 3 года назад
what a grog?
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
Grog - Crushed unglazed pottery or brick used as an additive in plaster or clay. It is clay that has already been fired and then crushed up. Being fired it is a refractory material, relatively stable under high temperatures. I hope that helps.
@user-ci3dg4lb2d
@user-ci3dg4lb2d 3 года назад
@@JimmyCogg Yes Mr J.C thanks too much..
@ak74headshottaa73
@ak74headshottaa73 2 года назад
No offense my guy but this looks like the slowest way possible lol i geel yhe quality would be like a value cast piston to where clay spun on a wheel would be a forged.
@ericthered9655
@ericthered9655 3 года назад
I thought grog was an alcoholic beverage.
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
Ha ha....it's all for me grog.....me jolly, jolly grog.....
@ericthered9655
@ericthered9655 3 года назад
@@JimmyCogg I'll admit I had to look it up.
@patmcdowell6430
@patmcdowell6430 3 года назад
@@JimmyCogg I see you spent all your tin with the lassies drinking gin are you taking up sailing as well if you do I like to see your videos
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
@@patmcdowell6430 No sailing really, but now and again I get the opportunity to go out on a boat. I just like singing the good old Irish tunes.
@HASHHASSIN
@HASHHASSIN 3 года назад
Good now teach us, how to make "fire clay"
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
Try this! www.traditionaloven.com/articles/101/what-is-fire-clay-and-where-to-get-it
@p.d.catito3313
@p.d.catito3313 3 года назад
you have no experience or experience in the foundry
@JimmyCogg
@JimmyCogg 3 года назад
Spot on. Any help you can offer is very welcome. Cheers.
@tamara4655
@tamara4655 4 года назад
Deal with the fast forward music it's costing u views
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