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Making Records with Eric Valentine - Comparative Listening 

MAKING RECORDS with ERIC VALENTINE
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In this episode, I discuss my discovery and the significance of comparative listening and blind listening tests. I play examples of listening tests I have performed when comparing digital converters and clocks. You can hear and see a deconstruction of my re-record of Led Zeppelin’s Heartbreaker along the way :) I explain the techniques I use for doing proper blind listening tests and why it has been invaluable in my evolution as a record-maker. Here is a link to where you can download the files if you would like to do your own blind listening tests at home with these examples:
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@charkara1
@charkara1 4 года назад
YES! Eric's back
@bbensoy
@bbensoy 4 года назад
Another comment: I would and probably most of us would love to see you mixing a track. I enjoy as you open the mixes and talk about the process. Also I guess from companies like puremix and mwtm it takes more time to make an on the go mixing video. However If you have time and can manage, I would very much like to watch you taking and acting intuitively and artisticly. It would be so much fun
@antoniorobbins6768
@antoniorobbins6768 4 года назад
Honestly - the most important vlog ever for audio engineers!
@ianpattison5133
@ianpattison5133 4 года назад
"I just about crashed my car and realized it's bass" Love it.
@TobyEllis
@TobyEllis 4 года назад
Thanks for taking the time to make this for us. I'm glad your family is well.
@8L155
@8L155 4 года назад
I’ve been waiting for another video and I think this is the perfect time for one, thanks Eric.
@pauldeceglie6914
@pauldeceglie6914 4 года назад
This is madly interesting - pure gold Eric. Thank you!
@Jefffdale
@Jefffdale 4 года назад
Great to see you back on here dude. Excellent video as always. Cheers!
@oceansiderecordingstudio
@oceansiderecordingstudio 4 года назад
the best vids on the tube. Love your insight and approach to audio recording and mixing.
@godofgore6667
@godofgore6667 4 года назад
Good to hear from you, definitely happy you and your family are safe. Thank you so much for the amazing content. This channel is life changing for some of us.
@galebandthesea713
@galebandthesea713 4 года назад
so glad you're back, thanks for the love
@studiodude1
@studiodude1 4 года назад
Glad to see you back!!!!! Missed you!!!!! Awesome content!!!!
@carlos_novais
@carlos_novais 4 года назад
Thank you for taking the time to do all these tests, and reporting it through your videos for our enjoyment. I do appreciate and learn a lot from it. Ah, and I love Topanga!
@MichaelWilson-ri9pn
@MichaelWilson-ri9pn 4 года назад
Good to see you back man. You've been missed
@3theorymusic
@3theorymusic 4 года назад
I always feel inspired and empowered after watching Eric's videos. So grateful for these.
@noiseinthebasement8139
@noiseinthebasement8139 4 года назад
So glad you're back, Mr. V!
@matiascova
@matiascova 4 года назад
We missed you! keep em coming please. These kind of things really help us. It would be great to know what kind of things you think make a huge differences (you mentioned some, but I want more haha).
@jonoville
@jonoville 4 года назад
Really enjoyed this Eric, remember hooking up a 192, a rme, an iz radar, a lynx aroura and a Motu 828 - sent me and my assistant out to play bass and drums, came back. Nobody could hit the blind test but everyone could pick out their bias when they knew. The main memory I have from the day probably 8 years later is how bad my drumming was.
@caleykelly
@caleykelly 4 года назад
Thanks for this great video, on a very interesting and mysterious subject and, Welcome back!
@intheblink
@intheblink 4 года назад
Yay!!! I have missed your videos so much. Hope the downtime during COVID means we’ll be getting lots more videos soon. It really is cool to hear someone so eloquent who has so much experience go through these topics.
@jimdavignon
@jimdavignon 4 года назад
Great topic Eric. Glad to have you back. Love the Heartbreaker performance and wow that EQ match!
@boglot
@boglot 4 года назад
This is awesome. Eric’s infectious enthusiasm has got me hooked to this channel and has made me a lot more attentive with the fine details when recording my own stuff.
@benthomas8290
@benthomas8290 4 года назад
Nice to see you back at it Eric and to hear you and your family are safe and well. As per usual, stunningly interesting vid so many thanks for sharing. Stay safe!!
@voodoochili12
@voodoochili12 3 года назад
Man I was really impressed with your drumming in that example! Great loose feel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@jeffersonbritoc
@jeffersonbritoc 4 года назад
You´re such a great professional reference! Thanks for taking your time to share your knowledge with us. I've learned so many things since I discovered this channel.
@Kai-ov3in
@Kai-ov3in 4 года назад
Eric you are a wealth of knowledge I always get excited when a Making Records Notification pops up in my inbox. Thank You!
@markmoore9455
@markmoore9455 4 года назад
Thank you Professor. I love my Black Lion preamps and clone mics even more now.
@raumatatetuanui259
@raumatatetuanui259 4 года назад
Thank you so much Eric for sharing, stay safe with your family
@trentcrawford6663
@trentcrawford6663 4 года назад
This was a fantastic listen! That McGurk Effect part was mind blowing! Loved the Antelope story. Love what you do mate! Thank you! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
@espenandersen3138
@espenandersen3138 4 года назад
great to have you back Eric! And thx so much for the external sidechain trick in protools 12 - cant wait to test it out with soothe2 :)
@cyrilleg179
@cyrilleg179 4 года назад
So nice to see you again! Very instructive Thanks
@undersanction
@undersanction 4 года назад
Eric, your videos are a tremendously valuable resource and I really appreciate your honesty and transparency. Please keep posting. Thank you!
@bdunn315
@bdunn315 4 года назад
I can’t tell you how much joy I get out of your videos. One, nobody goes down a rabbit hole better than you, and two, you just crack me up. Thanks for the great information, education and good laughs.
@samthesung4902
@samthesung4902 4 года назад
I loved this video and the whole Making Records series, really inspiring me to get back serious about recording some stuff Thank You.
@surgicalaudio8829
@surgicalaudio8829 4 года назад
Really feel you on this topic ! I'm happy to hear it from someone like you , just focusing on things that matters and bring something to the sound. Not bullshit adds
@dougweier1
@dougweier1 4 года назад
Your videos are literally the best
@magnuslervikmusic
@magnuslervikmusic 4 года назад
This was so very interesting and rewarding! And it made me buy Hofa Blindtest. Thanks so much for sharing Eric! Keep this up...your videos are really great!
@borjamuro7745
@borjamuro7745 4 года назад
Thanks very much Eric! Your vids are worth a fortune. Keep rocking!
@tshrdrums
@tshrdrums 4 года назад
I loved this episode!! Super interesting. Thank you
@lockstoffband
@lockstoffband 4 года назад
Hi Eric. Just to add to everyone else: this is great content, inspiring and eye-opening. Thank you very much! - Al
@JamieFoulds
@JamieFoulds 4 года назад
Yes. You nailed it here Eric. This meshes with my experience completely. Expectation bias is an incredibly powerful thing.
@LesonDeson
@LesonDeson 4 года назад
So good to see you. Changing a pattern or an expectation in the brain is SO hard. It asks your brain so much more effort. I'm doing a lot of A/B. I've had time for the past two weeks. Also testing plugins that compensate volume for a whole chain.
@alexmeade6811
@alexmeade6811 4 года назад
This is the best audio engineering page on youtube. Many thanks to Eric.
@forrestsalamida3721
@forrestsalamida3721 4 года назад
This was a great installment. So many times I've struggled with audio comparisons (hello devil loc we meet again...) And to hear you go in depth about it, your process, etc is invaluable. Thanks Eric!
@MikeLuke
@MikeLuke 4 года назад
Eric, please continue making this stuff. This is so much more worthy than a lot of the other stuff out there. Very much appreciated.
@DavidDicksRFR
@DavidDicksRFR 3 года назад
Wow. Love your videos man! Honestly inspires me every one I watch.
@FedericoMcCartney
@FedericoMcCartney 4 года назад
This data is absolutely amazing!!! Thanks Eric!!!
@ThePointshuttle
@ThePointshuttle 3 года назад
By the way... My wife is 85% deaf and I find this video very inspirational to myself and a way to connect with my wife.
@noyesplease9522
@noyesplease9522 4 года назад
Glad to hear you guys doing well!
@steveg219
@steveg219 3 года назад
I don’t know how I missed this episode originally, this is awesome, a topic I have been researching recently as well!!
@frieddo
@frieddo 4 года назад
Glad to see you back Eric ! when this confinement thing happend i thought "well Grace's tour will be suspended and Eric will be back with a new video !" ahah thank you !
@damienlott
@damienlott 4 года назад
Thank you Eric! Inspiring and revealing stuff as always!!!
@DavidDiMuzio
@DavidDiMuzio 4 года назад
I think this is my favorite RU-vid channel. Thank you, thank you, thank you 💜🤘💜🤘💜
@roddymacaudio
@roddymacaudio 4 года назад
Brilliant. Just what I needed right now. Thanks Eric.
@kellypeterson2625
@kellypeterson2625 Год назад
Just rewatched. So good Miss your videos. I learn so many things
@holdenrains
@holdenrains Год назад
That Fa/Ba part blew my mind, even knowing ahead of time about visual priority, the sensory modulation was knew to me. Mind blown. Thank you for these incredible videos.
@tommckeown6970
@tommckeown6970 4 года назад
That was really great info. I always enjoy learning from a real world perspective. It's easy to get caught up in things that don't really matter when moving the microphone an inch will make much more difference.
@noahmirotta6503
@noahmirotta6503 4 года назад
wow, Eric you are a genius! I Love everything you do and I am constantly learning from you and the amazing music you have worked on. You are a huge inspiration to me and I look forward to meeting you one day. Stay safe, Cheers, Noah
@finn6612
@finn6612 4 года назад
Thanks Eric and welcome back! Stay save, buddy.
@JonMulveyGuitar
@JonMulveyGuitar 4 года назад
There you are, Eric! Thanks for posting! I will never see "Fa" the same way again! Help us get through the end times:) with your wisdom wit and positivity! Thanks, Man!
@pinaxa
@pinaxa 4 года назад
Great Video! This subject is my obsession in my day to day work..
@jimmyw2802
@jimmyw2802 4 года назад
the Fa and Ba test was LITERALLY MINDBLOWING.
@ArturTadevosyan
@ArturTadevosyan 4 года назад
Thank you Eric soooo much for doing these!
@hizhaus
@hizhaus 4 года назад
Thanks, Eric. Good to see ya! Looking forward to A/Bing the proper way. Be safe.
@lesbolen9887
@lesbolen9887 3 года назад
49 years ago my Dad and I started recording with a Sony cassette deck...been into performing and recording (pro) in studios for a great part of that time-gotta say, Eric that your revelations are eye (ear)-opening for sure. Especially your tips regarding brief A-B’ing and associated plugins. Thanks for the insights, love your channel.
@showponymusic
@showponymusic 4 года назад
So good.Loved this. Thanks, Eric.
@buhlir
@buhlir 3 года назад
wow so eye opening, its like I knew this stuff but didn't really want to think it really effected us that much! haha. thank you for this!
@IFeeeeelGood
@IFeeeeelGood 4 года назад
I think that my life has been changed by this video
@maidhcheff
@maidhcheff 4 года назад
Awesome insight! Thanks, Eric!
@seanriley9045
@seanriley9045 4 года назад
Nice to see you back. I use this plug in all the time. I think I do more of this than actual recording of music. lol
@dirkbrouns5293
@dirkbrouns5293 4 года назад
I love your energy explaining the listening tests, especially the clock story. For years I felt stupid if I could not hear these differences in preamps. At some point I recorded some dirt guitars through my BAE preamp and TG2 preamp and tested together with my buddy who has super ears - we both could not confidently pick out which was which. And this was at the time when everybody at Gearslutz was drooling about the TG2 (which I still have and love on dirt guitars). Now, it's often the other way around: we test various things and then I let the talent or clients give their opinion on the "massive differences" after which I often say "sorry I don't hear much difference at all". It is so easy to fool yourself. When people get too crazy about differences I often play a little game where I give them two soundclips and then asked which one they prefer after which I explain it was two times the exact same sound. I do it in a relaxed and friendly way after which we often chat a bit on how important it is to really listen and trust your intuition at first listen: either it felt good or not; or better or worse, we pick the better version and move on. Really cool channel you have here Eric, I'm really enjoying it and learning a lot.
@sethluloff992
@sethluloff992 4 года назад
Very solid information based on whats important. Experience!!! Thank you
@mattperreault3518
@mattperreault3518 3 года назад
This is awesome!! All I can think about is if we perceive sound with vision and perception then reality isn’t really a hard line but rather a unexplainable phenomenon.
@stevedoesnt
@stevedoesnt 4 года назад
You quelled about 3 anxieties about audio of mine in this video. Much needed relief. Thank you.
@MarcusFilipeAndrade
@MarcusFilipeAndrade 4 года назад
These videos from Eric are doing great on this quarentine hahaha love this
@LuisCerdasPrimate
@LuisCerdasPrimate 4 года назад
Very eye opening video. Thanks soo much! Lovr your videos!
@Pipelyd
@Pipelyd 4 года назад
Great! Thanks for nerding out :)
@dorylobel
@dorylobel 4 года назад
Eric, thank you so much for this absolutely fascinating video! Not only does it shed a light on the inner workings behind your masterful productions and mixes, it also reassures us audio fanatics that we are not crazy and not alone in our obsessive tonal pursuits! I remember having a similar experience trying to a/b different external clocks and not being able to spot a tangible difference, and ended spending that same money on different converters altogether, which made a BIG difference. Blind testing is the truly only objective way to go! Another quick anecdote- famed amplifier builder Dave Friedman works strictly using blind a/b testing when designing and modifying amps. He tricked me into thinking that his new BE50 amp was my vintage Marshall, at which point I had to say- "shit, you win!" and buy his amp haha! Thanks again, stay healthy and keep these coming! Dory.
@TallerdelSebaRehbein
@TallerdelSebaRehbein 4 года назад
words of wisdom and experience, thanks Eric
@OverdriveMusic
@OverdriveMusic 4 года назад
So far I've picked the difference every time when looping a tiny bit! Mind you, I'm wearing $7.5k HiFiMan Susvara headphones. The internal clock bass is louder / slightly muddier, the external clock is slightly quieter, less muddy, more controlled bass. The guitar strum treble is ever so slightly more present or nicer on the external clock. Not night and day difference, but certainly giving 0.79% to a clearer mix. Not worth the money. Changing power cabling makes a bigger difference, but that's just opening another can of worms. If I listen to longer sections, I can't tell the difference. The recording and the song is amazing! Love these videos! Massive Good Charlotte Young & The Hopeless fan! One of my top 5 favourite albums! Thanks Eric!
@m9shamalan
@m9shamalan 4 года назад
once again, hats off to you sir.
@MatzeKloft
@MatzeKloft 4 года назад
Okay Eric, you really got into experimental psychology this time. I love it! I recommend doing at least 30 trials in a blind listening test, because of the sample variance ;)
@marcuscamel
@marcuscamel 4 года назад
Interestingly enough, as a record/mix engineer, I lost count of how many times I tricked biased listeners out of a wrong choice during sessions just using that same knowledge to give their eyes what their brains wanted to choose, if you know what I mean ;). Great video by the way, welcome back!
@randszzob8590
@randszzob8590 4 года назад
Aah yes, like the producer panel! "I'll patch that in for you to this control here...and now you can adjust it to your liking." Client adjusts control, [nothing changes], client is happy!
@dolovfm
@dolovfm 4 года назад
I put off watching this for a while - why did i do that ? Listening is the most underestimated sense in the modern world - people living in accord with nature taught me this years ago. I am still learning and always humbled - many thanks.
@brucekeen8925
@brucekeen8925 4 года назад
Thank you Mr Valentine . I was amazed at the baa/faa video. Indeed now I need to Hosa my converters and analog vs digital. However sometimes you can feel when gear sounds good immediately without having to necessarily compare it to something else. If I can’t hear it I don’t care who many reviews it’s got.
@gavmurray7398
@gavmurray7398 4 года назад
thank god hes back!!!!
@MiserableEffect
@MiserableEffect 4 года назад
Incredible and informative as always. Eric and science win!!
@AbandonedSessions
@AbandonedSessions 4 года назад
Hi Eric! First of all I wanted to thank you for this amazing channel that you’re doing, I’ve stumbled upon it just a couple of weeks ago and already watched almost all of your videos, so thank you for the sharing your approach and your tricks and knowledge, that is priceless. Also that was a real surprise for me because I always thought that you were kind of enclosed person. My bad. 🤦‍♂️ That video proves that we as audio engineers must always use our ears first. Let me share with you this story that I’ve experienced, I’ve tested the DAWs the same way back when AE friend of mine was persuading me to switch from Cubase to Pro Tool(that was in 2011), so I did the same thing, Just recorded one of my songs with my band twice, with same setup, only one was done in Cubase and one in Pro Tools, I did the rough mixes and we listened to them back to back... I work in Pro Tools since and even became a certified Avid Expert. I also did the same thing second time(with different song), when I was considering switching from RME Fireface 800 to Universal Audio Apollo 16, UA won that battle. So here’s my little story, thank you and bye! :)
@RayHildreth
@RayHildreth 4 года назад
While I'm stuck at home I was planning on doing a comparison of some of the analog modeled plugins I've acquired over the years with the standard plugins that come with Logic X. Hofa Blind Test will be perfect for that. I've known about the McGurk effect for years and I've played that video for many people who are always amazed. There's a reason why double-blind, placebo controlled tests are the gold standard in science and we should accept nothing less in audio.
@matiascova
@matiascova 4 года назад
Le us know how yo do!
@CDRtube
@CDRtube Год назад
The McGurk effect has happened to me! I learned to speak a second language (French) when I moved to Montreal. I was good at understanding conversations in my second language when in quiet situations, but I had a really rough time when in loud environments. If I was speaking English (my first language), I had no issues. I went for a hearing test which revealed no problems. As I was describing my issue to the hearing technician, they noted that my hearing problems were in noisy environments ... alas I could not read lips in french! Thanks for these videos, they are fantastic! You live just down the road in Vermont now! :)
@deadrituals
@deadrituals 4 года назад
Super cool video, thanks again!
@jamesneville9933
@jamesneville9933 4 года назад
Thanks very much Eric! so good to hear you're on Hosa as well. I feel like I haven't wasted a load of money investing in Hosa cable now.
@trevoryearwood6377
@trevoryearwood6377 4 года назад
nice one E ! I love your dedication bruh. Cheers !
@gurbur711
@gurbur711 4 года назад
Thank you so much! This was awesome!
@songwritersgunfighters453
@songwritersgunfighters453 4 года назад
This was awesome Eric!!
@JaZZMAste08
@JaZZMAste08 4 года назад
This is brilliant, thank you!
@allmetaliswelcome
@allmetaliswelcome 4 года назад
How i have missed your videos!
@andrewgosden2665
@andrewgosden2665 4 года назад
EV dropping some truth bombs! Good stuff! Thank you.
@DMKahn
@DMKahn 4 года назад
MIND BLOWN! the BAH vs FAH thing
@TheKevbe
@TheKevbe 4 года назад
Thank you Eric for this video
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