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@Ficus1493
@Ficus1493 9 лет назад
Watching these now really hit hard for how far I've come. Two years ago, I was an avid follower of Extra Credits and loved its content, but couldn't relate as I wasn't learning game design. Then one day, I was told that the game design group in my college had actually managed to arrange a video chat with James so he could speak to them. I got so excited and also jealous. I thought "I wish that I was making games!" ...Well, then I took a step back and thought, "Well, why aren't I?" That summer, I changed my major and am now learning the very content that you make episodes about. I doubt anyone will read this comment (particularly since it's been some time since this episode came out!) but I just wanted to say "Thanks, Extra Credits." I can honestly say that your work gave me the inspiration to pursue my dreams.
@ryandick7264
@ryandick7264 5 лет назад
It’s the future! Can we get an update?
@shreddernation1096
@shreddernation1096 5 лет назад
3 years later and your comment is still being read lol
@OK-dx3xj
@OK-dx3xj 5 лет назад
Update?
@waveexistence3512
@waveexistence3512 5 лет назад
☝🏼
@ghog4792
@ghog4792 5 лет назад
Update?
@watergod321
@watergod321 9 лет назад
5:20 my new favorite screenshot
@nepunepu5894
@nepunepu5894 5 лет назад
God Bless Random Screenshot!
@hugimi3807
@hugimi3807 5 лет назад
Lol
@thewaterleaf7929
@thewaterleaf7929 5 лет назад
also ur profile pic...
@GabrielCarvv
@GabrielCarvv 5 лет назад
beautiful
@raconvid6521
@raconvid6521 4 года назад
:0
@extrahistory
@extrahistory 9 лет назад
To answer your emails: yes, if you want to post your game in the comments section of this video, you may! But fair warning to anyone checking out these games: we'll delete anything that seems to be illegitimate (e.g. viruses) but you click at your own risk.
@akheraCZ
@akheraCZ 9 лет назад
I'll start :) Color Assembler is an abstract color mixing puzzle game encouraging learning by experimentation. You can check out its Steam Greenlight page: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=353658089
@tcostisi
@tcostisi 9 лет назад
This isn't my game, but it is an indie game being made on Unity: myworldsofmagic.com/ Check it out if you're a 4x Strategy fan or really liked Master of Magic back in the 90's.
@marscaleb
@marscaleb 9 лет назад
Free promo? I'll take advantage of that! I'm probably a year away from having anything to release, but you can check out my game here: eightballgaming.com/ Working on a classic 2D side-scroller right now.
@AegixDrakan
@AegixDrakan 9 лет назад
*GASP* We...we can post our own games in the comments? Sweet! Totally free, Turn based RPG self-promo AWAY! This one is a somewhat short "dark fantasy" type deal with rather challenging combat, and the one I'm most proud of. rpgmaker.net/games/4826/ This next one is just a demo (the first two dungeons) and I'm still working on it, so feedback would be great. rpgmaker.net/games/6684/ This one's a short experiment that turned out really really well. It's one single boss battle with a tightly designed combat system, and a short self-contained story. I made it for a contest and I actually took second with it, which was pretty awesome. rpgmaker.net/games/6754/ And this is my last completed project thus far. Full disclaimer here, the story is totally awesome, but due to time constraints (I made it for an online event), the combat isn't as tightly balanced as my other games. It's still totally playable and fun, but it's a bit on the easy side. I'm going to go back and fix the combat, but it's going to take some time. rpgmaker.net/games/7175/ Feedback is always appreciated, even if you didn't like it. Feedback of any kind helps me make my games and all future projects better.
@mutatedsoftware6150
@mutatedsoftware6150 9 лет назад
Thanks for the invite! If you're up for a challenge, check out Blue-Collar Astronaut on Greenlight for its retro gamefeel and physics based space flight coming to PC/Mac/Linux/WiiU. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=337130341 (Steam Greenlight).
@grahamkristensen9301
@grahamkristensen9301 9 лет назад
One more thing that should be added: learn how to handle criticism. Although Steam is a great platform for indie developers, they have a bit of a quality control problem, which is why for every Greenlight success story there are ten broken, unfinished, borderline unplayable messes that crawl out of the woodwork. Not only have games like The Slaughtering Grounds, Day One: Garry's Incident and Air control become infamous Greenlight horror stories, but the responses from the developers have been incredibly unprofessional. Even if you think your game is the new Braid, don't lash out if you start getting bad reviews, as tempting as they may be.
@herschalshep
@herschalshep 9 лет назад
So much this. I'm an artist by trade and I know some people that have such thin skin that they attack others for offering legitimate criticisms. Heck, one guy has become infamous because he attacks everybody when he doesn't win awards despite the fact that his art is shit. I don't say that lightly either. He hasn't improved in years, has an awful sense of anatomy, perspective and depth, uses awful watercolours, steals jokes from Family Guy, steals plots and stories in general, and acts like he's the best thing ever. He even got mad because his books (yes, he self published some books. A failed kickstarter asking 75,000 got 5 dollars) weren't being sold at Forbidden Planet. I'm not kidding.
@danlei88
@danlei88 9 лет назад
Herschal Shep I totally want to know who that guy is now :)
@anja8595
@anja8595 9 лет назад
There is an art form to being a good critic so that the artist looks at what you're saying and says, "Hey you're right!" If the other person is rejecting your criticism, consider it not being just an issue on their end but maybe also a problem with your approach. A game is a long arduous process that takes many, MANY hours. Someone just walking up to you and telling your child of 200 hours is terrible is of course going to be handled poorly. www.brainpickings.org/2014/03/28/daniel-dennett-rapoport-rules-criticism/
@herschalshep
@herschalshep 9 лет назад
Daniel Sohlman Look up "Sunnyville stories" or "Max West". I swear the guy has some kind of disorder that completely alters how he sees reality. In fact I think he sabotaged the article about his comic on the bad webcomics wiki.
@TheAsvarduilProject
@TheAsvarduilProject 9 лет назад
Having released three crappy games, and working on a fourth - and hopefully, significantly less crappy one - I can offer some advice on this. (SHMUP: Orbital Combat, a spaceflight sim was my first game, Zombies vs. Knights, a cut-down RTS was my second game, and The Hero's Journey, a Zelda 2-"clone" was my third game. I'm working on Sara the Shieldmage, an Eastern RPG.) First things first - if no one is complaining, that means no one likes your game. It's fundamentally flawed, and has things to be avoided like the plague. Your next game should go a different direction. TL;DR - Silence is bad. Next, while you will get feedback a lot, you won't get *helpful, reasoned* feedback a lot. When you do make something that you start getting "OMG this is terrible, go die in a fire with your pancakes!", that's actually a good sign. In my experience, comments like these are the norm; you'll have few people who actually say helpful things like, "When I played the game, this this and this felt wrong, please make a better game next time." When you see these unhelpful messages, don't get offensive or indignant; ask "what things about it sucked?" More often than not, you'll start getting that more helpful feedback. Sometimes the person will just never answer, which means you can't do anything more with that particular comment. TL;DR - "OMG this sucks" means you should ask, "OK, what exactly sucks?" You'll likely get answers. Finally, *schedule* time to support your application. What worked for me on "The Hero's Journey", my last, and so far best project, I actually put aside about two months so I could solicit feedback on the 1.0 version. I released a 1.1 patch, which actually led directly to a small upswing in the game's ratings. One of my side projects is a 1.2 patch where I add some more content to the game and fix some other stuff that was secondary to the launch, but that I didn't get a lot of feedback on. TL;DR - Just set aside time to fix stuff, players will break your baby. Also, there's great resources to get in-iteration help with your game. Specifically, on the Unity forums, we have a Game Design forum. You should not go there asking, "How do I...", but instead ,have a webplayer prototype that you can put in our handy-dandy WIP thread, and ask questions like, "what's good or bad about this? Is [thing] fun?" You'll find me there a lot, under my forum handle Asvarduil (I'm subtle like that.) Remember, as the project goes further in it becomes more expensive to fix bugs. Try to squash as many as you can during development, but realize that there will be post-release bugs and other stuff you have to fix. Hope that helps.
@VampPhoenix99
@VampPhoenix99 4 года назад
First episode: "your first game is just a learning exercise" Fourth episode: "YOU GOTTA MARKET YOUR GAME PPL WILL LOVE IT"
@emermon1663
@emermon1663 3 года назад
Well yes but actually no
@ZetsubouRan
@ZetsubouRan 9 лет назад
I took some classes using Unity and I ported the same game on my phone, PC and PS Vita in a matter of seconds, Unity is amazing
@mikesoto890
@mikesoto890 9 лет назад
Here, have my "likes" =)
@ZetsubouRan
@ZetsubouRan 9 лет назад
mikesoto890 thank you!
@ConnorGardner
@ConnorGardner 9 лет назад
The most important thing I've learned: ACCEPT CRITICISM! Trust me, I've seen plenty of people too scared to release a game because of how they believe it will be treated. If this your first game, this rule goes especially to you. Don't be afraid to let loose your creation. If you believe it's truly ready, get it out there. If people still don't like it, it's a lesson learned, and feedback is one of the most important aspects. It's helped me out, and it will for you too. I promise. Don't be afraid to explore other people's creative outputs. They're there to help, not to hate.
@Overhazard
@Overhazard 9 лет назад
Well, those who are afraid to be torn apart tend to be those who are sensitive to criticism, so the issue goes hand in hand. I know someone who wants to make a game but is not only afraid to do anything because of the criticism he fears he'll face, he is so sensitive to any negative feedback that he pretty much gives up when any comes his way. (On the other hand, he is equally sensitive to positive feedback. When I complimented his musical aptitude, and he is genuinely naturally very good at it, he was happy as a clam for a week.) I'm in total agreement with you here, by the way--but I just want to point out that it's pretty hard sometimes to give people the push they deserve, because the people who fear negative feedback are the people most likely to run away when it does happen. I guess you can say that when you anticipate something bad happening, it feels that much worse when it happens.
@Overhazard
@Overhazard 9 лет назад
xtremetoxicguy Yeah, and I must say that even after knowing this, I myself can sometimes let people get under my skin, even in unrelated things. On cases like those, it's best to step away from things and take an hour to relax or something until your'e used to it.
@ConnorGardner
@ConnorGardner 9 лет назад
***** Yep.
@ZachjamesELA
@ZachjamesELA 9 лет назад
+xtremetoxicguy Thanks for the info I'm planing on making a game using Fusion 2.5 (already have a copy along with the flash exporter) and after that i'll use unity because I have a couple books on unity and how to use it to make 2D games.
@mr.cup6yearsago211
@mr.cup6yearsago211 7 лет назад
xtremetoxicguy I know I'm late, but to be fair, I don't think they're scared of criticism, I think they're scared of trolls.
@jgdevelops8440
@jgdevelops8440 2 года назад
Almost 7 years later and this mini-series is still very relatable. In some cases, the references were slightly outdated but as a whole the content is very straightforward and practical.
@TheCookiezPlz
@TheCookiezPlz 9 лет назад
Any reason why RU-vid wasn't mentioned at all? If you lack a budget then it seems like let's players are your best bet. I'm not saying it's not worth reaching out to big websites but "if it's a slow news day" just seems like a stab in the dark in comparison. Chances are they're going to be too busy covering upcoming AAA games and if that's the case then smaller guys, especially smaller youtubers, seems like your best bet.
@AstonWildsteel
@AstonWildsteel 9 лет назад
Interesting idea, since LP's tend to be the trendsetters of gaming. Still, Let's Players are single individuals (even if the more famous ones have great networks, as the german LPer PhunkRoyal can attest to) and have their preferences and, even more important, triggers. While one should try to ask anyway, one should know about the portfolio and personality of the LPer so they can custom-tailor the request. For example, HCBaily would be a terrible choice despite his "mediocre popularity" (especially if you provide something that isn't JRPG or related to that genre) since his portfolio suggests that he sticks with big name-games from former console generations. I have no experience with any of this, but I would guess that most other methods of marketing, as suggested by this video, might be more sucessful than hoping for an LPer saying "Yes". I wouldn't mind hearing from people who know better, though.
@mikkolovesgaming1723
@mikkolovesgaming1723 9 лет назад
This. Some bigger LPers have crowds of hundreds of thousands regularly watching their videos, that can be a LOT of publicity and usually it comes for free if your game looks interesting to them. On that note, feel free to offer me games to feature on my shitty channel that nobody watches. :P
@Onebadterran
@Onebadterran 9 лет назад
I know as a small RU-vidr myself I would love to do coverage of small indie titles. It helps everybody involved. Though, as a developer, you do have to be careful with who you choose. You have to make sure that the LP'er you are contacting will be a positive impact on your game and marketing. Some games are just not right for some LP'ers, no matter how famous they may be. If you can find the right one, though, there is no reason why your game can't explode.
@MrServantRider
@MrServantRider 9 лет назад
Hey this is how that one game, Hat in Time, got noticed. Or how I noticed it anyway, since Josh Jepson gave it a playthrough on his channel. I think this is a GREAT idea, and AstonWildsteel 's suggestion about the portfolio isn't necessarily 100% to go by. You only really have to appeal to their genre or style. Josh Jepson only played big name titles from past consoles as well, but since the game Hat in Time was a platformer/collectathon he gave it a completely fair playthrough.
@UnderdogSMO
@UnderdogSMO 9 лет назад
He did say Podcast and such things. Most of that is youtube
@Masfugo
@Masfugo 8 лет назад
I really love your "game" character. so cute. you should try to make it as stickers , facebook stickers, line stickers or anything else XD
@1sidegamer878
@1sidegamer878 4 года назад
My Idea 1 game release in Battleground please help me
@epauletshark3793
@epauletshark3793 3 года назад
There is a plush now.
@TaraRaeDev
@TaraRaeDev 9 лет назад
Some specifics I'd like to mention. Firstly, a press kit should be made so that you can link to it for sites and people who happen upon it or search for it are taken to the information you provide. A press kit is simply screenshots, logos and general game info: mechanics, development time, credits, etc. For my most recently released game I had a great press kit, but the kit itself wasn't search engine optimized. So people would image search on google and it would bring up old screenshots and title screens. When you contact youtubers, press, streamers, etc... give them copies/codes for the game as well as link to the press kit immediately in the email. Give them any permissions to create transformative works within the email as well as any instructions on waiting for when they should make their transformative/journalistic/enthusiast content available (In my opinion, this makes it more prudent to contact them only once the game is publicly available). Finally, just like the press kit, many many many content creators will take whatever you say and just re-say it. So if you provide them with images/screenshots in the press kit, those are the images they are gonna use. If you provide them elevator pitches (and you should), those are the same pitches they are gonna give to their audience. I mean this about many types of creators: review sites, youtubers, critique sites, it doesn't matter. For this reason, it's extremely important to create a great pitch. In my case, I compared my game to like 3 others. It was a concise and exciting way to describe it, but then your game is immediately compared to others and it just sounds bad. So for the entire media life of my game, I had to re-hear countless people retell my cringe-worthy elevator pitch.
@uoooh
@uoooh 8 лет назад
My uncle's freeware exploration game got tweeted by rock paper shotgun recently. Boy do I feel special knowing that I'm going down that same path.
@sooperdood127
@sooperdood127 8 лет назад
What was the game called?
@uoooh
@uoooh 8 лет назад
Dunwall Tower Into the void
@AnnRita45
@AnnRita45 8 лет назад
+Hax4Ever is it at all playable? sounds interesting!
@uoooh
@uoooh 8 лет назад
3dmethods.itch.io/inside-the-void
@AnnRita45
@AnnRita45 8 лет назад
+Hax4Ever thanks!!!
@fantasy4263
@fantasy4263 6 лет назад
This is really useful! Even though I am 13, I am still very interested in making indie games.
@salehuddinhamid3679
@salehuddinhamid3679 4 года назад
@@DanaFenn tru
@epauletshark3793
@epauletshark3793 3 года назад
I find this interesting, and have no interest in making videogames. Mods mabey, or pen-and-paper games.
@olivermateski1810
@olivermateski1810 3 года назад
Same
@jgdevelops8440
@jgdevelops8440 2 года назад
still interested?
@MrBlazefp
@MrBlazefp 9 лет назад
You now have translated subtitles? Awesome I can finally show my little sis that games aren't just an easy entertainment product :D Thank you :)
@neilisbored2177
@neilisbored2177 6 лет назад
@Mekal Covic Well, it's either Chinese, Polish, Korean, French, Portuguese, English(Auto Generated), Off, or Add subtitles/CC
@Dani-yk8sj
@Dani-yk8sj 5 лет назад
@@neilisbored2177I salute you sir.
@firehazzard8497
@firehazzard8497 4 года назад
@@neilisbored2177 Pretty ure its Add subtitles/CC
@ishmaelscali2070
@ishmaelscali2070 9 лет назад
The art was amazing in this episode
@PinkDawn1308
@PinkDawn1308 9 лет назад
Thanks so much for making these videos. They've helped a lot. You guys started this "Making Your First Game" series soon after my friends and I started talking about making our own games. Perfect timing! We're still not sure what kind of game we're gonna make for our first game, but these videos offered some really excellent insight and now we have a better idea of where to start.
@dogiz6952
@dogiz6952 8 лет назад
Send your game to PewDiePie, and watch it become an instant hit.
@HonestlyBenjamin
@HonestlyBenjamin 8 лет назад
haha lol
@awesomeOM7177
@awesomeOM7177 8 лет назад
Haha, so true lmao
@IanHollis
@IanHollis 8 лет назад
Doesn't work, I tried. But can you imagine the amount of requests he would get??? :O
@FieryKitsune1
@FieryKitsune1 8 лет назад
Only IF he plays it. Chances are it will fall through the cracks.
@prodrawer1481
@prodrawer1481 7 лет назад
this only works if your game looks freaking amazing or is extremely weird or different. He wont play a game that just looks cool. Remember he has te react to it and make an interesting video mostly for kids with short attention spans.
@FlatlandsSurvivor
@FlatlandsSurvivor 9 лет назад
We have a game design class at my school, and I showed this series to the teacher and he loved it.
@archsteel7
@archsteel7 6 лет назад
I wish I'd seen this series the first time I started making games. I'm honestly pretty pleased to say that I followed most, if not all, of these rules on the first game I ever made... With the exception of what you talked about here, as I never got around to finishing/publishing it, due to my game design attentions being shifted over to an end of year college programming project, and then ended up leaving it alone for so long that I barely recognized it the next time I went to look. Looking back, I wish I'd forced myself to keep going back and tweaking it like you guys suggested. But I'm hoping that's a lesson I'll know in the future, now that I'm starting up again and shifting from Unity over to Unreal. And even though I didn't have this guide when I first began, I do think it's still been helpful to me now. Because it's helped me realize that even though I know I can make something complex, I still need to start small and build from there.
@bergsving
@bergsving 5 лет назад
My religion teacher released an rpg. People said he was obviously inspired by the Zelda games. He had never played a single zelda rpg before...
@SinthTeck
@SinthTeck 9 лет назад
You killed me with professor Oak.
@michaellopez4746
@michaellopez4746 2 года назад
Finally a channel that talks about what im looking for rather than showing off what they did. Thank you.
@CrazyP0tat095
@CrazyP0tat095 8 лет назад
These were really helpful now for the hardest part of all: the Idea
@mustafataylan3574
@mustafataylan3574 8 лет назад
Count on me!
@LowFlyer
@LowFlyer 8 лет назад
honestly it took me 1 and a half year to think of a good game idea,and i have yet to start working on it
@mustafataylan3574
@mustafataylan3574 8 лет назад
Low Flyer I have fps ideas
@Ben-jm8fc
@Ben-jm8fc 8 лет назад
+Turkish Russian Ummmmm, I don't mean to be rude, but that's not a very good idea. Fps is not a very flexible genre, meaning that games such as COD and Battlefield dominate it. So an indie fps just won't work so much. Hey but you could of course perform some kind of miracle and prove my theory wrong????
@DemRat
@DemRat 8 лет назад
The question there is primarily whether it is a multiplayer or a singleplayer fps. The multiplayer market is pretty much saturated. Unless you do something incredible like Nintendo did with Splatoon, you will probably not get far. Single player fps on the other hand has lots of potential since it is not limited by making it fair for pvp.
@chadtronic
@chadtronic 9 лет назад
New Extra Credits, awwwwww yiiisssssssss
@julesfrancis
@julesfrancis 6 лет назад
Chadtronic yo 😂
@crypt1k755
@crypt1k755 6 лет назад
You fricking frick!
@Kreiser_VII
@Kreiser_VII 6 лет назад
*3 Years Later* Yay! Extra Credits!
@Gaminboi2864
@Gaminboi2864 6 лет назад
I didn't know Chadtropic watched extra credits
@casualchris1893
@casualchris1893 5 лет назад
*CHERD CHANIC* IS HERE
@Zoltoks
@Zoltoks 7 лет назад
Guys I am glad to say that Im about to post my first game to steam! Its coming out this month!
@Feldus
@Feldus 7 лет назад
Zoltoks what's it called?
@Zoltoks
@Zoltoks 7 лет назад
Feldy The morgue fissure between worlds. The trailer is on my channel.
@matteovukoja1240
@matteovukoja1240 7 лет назад
Name?
@brittneydwilliams
@brittneydwilliams 6 лет назад
I saw it, it looks great. You did a really good job!
@aviweinstein9393
@aviweinstein9393 9 лет назад
Thank you so much for these videos!! Im 14 and have been trying to create a game for months now and never getting anywhere with it. I have just started watching this channel and I plan to continue doing so. Keep doing what your doing!
@LoriWolfcat
@LoriWolfcat 7 лет назад
I LOVE how you make the game avatar look like it is your kid. It looks so cute! I hope to make some games and with companies like Unity, can you ever just make your own?
@blazeminer8197
@blazeminer8197 7 лет назад
WOW thanks i needed this i watch your game design videos when ever im feeling stressed about making my game and think that me publishing a game is just some thing that will never happen THANK YOU
@anujdebnath260
@anujdebnath260 9 лет назад
Love the pictures man! Those characters are adorable! 😁
@pewpiedeetown7721
@pewpiedeetown7721 7 лет назад
i love how diverse the characters in your videos are, especially considering how rarely you see stuff like that. kudos!
@StardustWhip
@StardustWhip 9 лет назад
I wouldn't recommend putting your very first game on Steam, actually. Third, fourth, maybe even second, but the first bit of game design/programming you've done should NOT be on Steam. There's a lot of controversy going on about Greenlight and quality control on Steam. You don't want to be the next Air Control. I'd recommend just putting it on your website (obviously) as well as sites like Kongregate or Newgrounds.
@TheMisteriousX
@TheMisteriousX 9 лет назад
i think what was actually meant with "first game" ist the first one that really is able to be properly released not the first game you ever make since they often mentioned in the previous episodes that the first few games you make will be mostly for practice and learning about your abilities and what you will fokus on with your first "proper game"
@Lukefonfabre9
@Lukefonfabre9 9 лет назад
TheMisteriousX They not even once differentiate the two, they refer back to their previous videos that focus on your very first game, so its disenginuous to use the same phrasing, rather than saying "your first marketable game" or something along those lines.
@EpiquestGame
@EpiquestGame 9 лет назад
First games usually go to Desura.
@RavenTravelStudios
@RavenTravelStudios 9 лет назад
***** you can make strong sales only on Steam. End of story.
@StardustWhip
@StardustWhip 9 лет назад
RavenTravelStudios Don't charge for your first game either. There's a huge difference between your first game and the first game you make that you can actually charge for. And honestly? Games on Steam aren't guaranteed to sell better anymore. They rely on word of mouth and reviews like any other platform, and when it gets to that point it doesn't even matter where it's hosted, especially since you can add non-Steam games to your Steam client's library anyway.
@komodoentertainment2938
@komodoentertainment2938 7 лет назад
trying to take notes and literally this video is perfect, no notes needed just favorite the video. Great work and very to the point, i love the mini series you guys have done on this.
@lazydoggaming2155
@lazydoggaming2155 8 лет назад
I see the video is sponsored by unity! I love that software, i made a lot of games in it! Thank you for helping me how to market them :D
@andrewwelker7287
@andrewwelker7287 5 лет назад
Of all of the Extra Credits videos I've watched so far, this one has my favorite illustrations.
@PedtheFox
@PedtheFox 9 лет назад
For those worried about "Marketing": don't be shy, there are a lot of "Marketing and Communication" graduates (like me :-) ) that are hard core gamers and would be happy to help you out even from the beggining when you start analize if the peolpe would like to play your game (DO THIS in the beggining, not at the end!!!)
@danlei88
@danlei88 9 лет назад
Yep, there's a lot of us doing marketing for indie teams :)
@subliminalman
@subliminalman 9 лет назад
Daniel Sohlman PedtheFox how could I reach out for either a campaign or some indie dev training?
@danlei88
@danlei88 9 лет назад
subliminalman You could post an offer to gaming forums, gaming Facebook groups etc. asking for help with marketing. PedtheFox seemed to be eager to help people out in his post so perhaps sending him/her a message might be a good idea. Or me :)
@3d-art284
@3d-art284 7 лет назад
i just started making my game this week and with the help of 2 friends its going a lot faster than i thought
@eldiran
@eldiran 9 лет назад
Just a note-- the outro music link goes to a Castlevania remix album?? But that was clearly a remix of a song from Katamari. Pretty sure that's the wrong link.
@extrahistory
@extrahistory 9 лет назад
Thanks for the heads up! Fixed with the link below. -Soraya bit.ly/1zFtu9j
@CedevismoLiberale
@CedevismoLiberale 9 лет назад
Without your videos, I'd not be working on my game as I'm doing right now. Thanks a lot guys. I love you
@R.U.Sirius23
@R.U.Sirius23 9 лет назад
Surprised you didn't mention giving out free copies to RU-vidrs especially if the game is a bit niche and they specialize their channel toward that niche. Pretty much every game I've bought this year I heard about or made my decision on whether to buy it or on because of a RU-vid vid. Other than that great advise as always.
@DerultimativeOzzy
@DerultimativeOzzy 9 лет назад
Yeah they should have mentioned that, but they probably included this idea already when they mentioned Tim Schäfer.
@captainfach
@captainfach 5 лет назад
This is the first time I've ever watched one of the videos and it was very helpful thank you. But I got to say the greatest part about this video so far is the end credits has a Katamari Damacy song cover. I was ecstatic as soon as I heard that it is my absolute favorite song from the game and thank you for reigniting my nostalgia
@HisCarlnessI
@HisCarlnessI 9 лет назад
You forgot the medium of discovery that has far surpassed most gaming websites in number of eyes... RU-vid.
@thegamingdicks1070
@thegamingdicks1070 7 лет назад
As an editor in Marketing/PR in the industry, I'll never understand the boo-hiss you get talking about marketing for indie games. We love your games just as much as you do. And we love showing them off to people we know will love them too! Promise!
@nickyoushallnotknow1524
@nickyoushallnotknow1524 9 лет назад
Dear Extra Credits Team, I love your show and i hope to never miss an episode. As a Big fan i would kindly ask if you could make a video about Videogame Parners like Mario and Luigi or Sonic and Tails. like why do they have partners and look at the mario rpg row as an example i would really enjoy seeing it from you! Thanks for reading your Nick ^^
@shieldgenerator7
@shieldgenerator7 9 лет назад
I believe the partners thing is to allow for 2 players.
@thetoxicnoble
@thetoxicnoble 9 лет назад
Thank you guys so much for this series! Thanks to this series finishing my game should happen a lot sooner and easier than it would have before! You're the best!
@ayo__ayo
@ayo__ayo 9 лет назад
I like how there are many different ethnicities in your videos. It's a small thing but it's noticeable. Wish games would do the same thing.
@helloguytie8375
@helloguytie8375 7 лет назад
Anthony Purington same I love that they do this
@Roxor128
@Roxor128 6 лет назад
With a well-designed character-modification system, it might actually be easier to do it in a game. Most NPCs could just be randomised derivatives of some template. That's what we are in real life, anyway.
@Diceyed
@Diceyed 9 лет назад
Thanks for this one, I'm a Head Writer and Marketing department for a new game and this was useful, I never marketed a game before so I will keep this one in good mind when it comes time.
@azemkasumi
@azemkasumi 5 лет назад
2019 watching this video and yeah i really like this video
@PartTimeMonkey
@PartTimeMonkey 9 лет назад
The stuff you're telling here is superb! I'm about to form my own small one-man indie games company, and I've been watching many of your videos. They're all either very eye-opening or good reminders to stick with the basics no matter what. Salute!
@TheLegoDude14
@TheLegoDude14 9 лет назад
It's so weird getting here early and seeing no insightful comments below...
@Roxfox
@Roxfox 9 лет назад
I just had that very same experience.
@isaacyauk2966
@isaacyauk2966 6 лет назад
I love how the games are depicted in your series. Never going to be able to look at a game without thinking of this!
@davidmolina125
@davidmolina125 8 лет назад
i'm going to develop a game as a school project ( a big one, like half a year of work into it). Would you still consider it good to lunch it? I only see this as troublemaking, due to copyrights, royalities etc.
@mustafataylan3574
@mustafataylan3574 8 лет назад
I say, yes. Most people have potential.
@davidmolina125
@davidmolina125 8 лет назад
Turkish Russian Thanks for the advice
@LowFlyer
@LowFlyer 8 лет назад
i also say yes.If you spend 6 months making a game for a school project,its probably gonna be very good for an indie game so go ahead and piblish it!
@davidmolina125
@davidmolina125 8 лет назад
Low Flyer I'll spend a month with the design and two with the actual development, i don't even expect to finish it before delivering it. If i finish it, it'll be on my own (something that i'll probably do)
@LowFlyer
@LowFlyer 8 лет назад
David Molina ok awesome anyways!
@b4ux1t3-tech
@b4ux1t3-tech 9 лет назад
Ironically, you guys are distracting from making my first (real) game by releasing videos about making your first game. Thanks so much! (Both seriously and sarcastically, if that's possible!)
@AlexVasiluta
@AlexVasiluta 7 лет назад
I have an idea: what if you make a channel in which you play when you're not busy games by people in this comments section if you find those games interesting and tell your opinion on them
@MattLohkamp
@MattLohkamp 9 лет назад
that little 'boo' sequence is one of my favorite bits of animation you guys have had lately. :D
@dacypher22
@dacypher22 9 лет назад
What do you guys think about those who start Kickstarters when they don't actually need the money just to try to sell copies and get attention for their game? I swear I have seen that a few times, and have heard people mention it in game development circles before. I does have a few upsides: your game is basically done, so you can show off a basically complete, polished version which would put you ahead of most others, there time from the end of the KS to the time when the perks and game is distributed will obviously be short, which will make backers happy, etc. Of course the downside is that it isn't really being honest with your audience.
@ben_burnes
@ben_burnes 9 лет назад
Personally, I would feel much more comfortable backing a game that is mostly done and needs that final push to get out there rather than something with a few design docs and a "guys this is going to be so cool" vibe. There are people out there who push it as a completed game and use it more like a preorder service, which I think is more what you're talking about, and that might be sketchy, but I still think it's a viable way to professionally show off your game and offer some neat perks to early purchasers. On a somewhat similar note, I've heard from several devs that Steam Greenlight is one of the cheapest forms of mass marketing you can get, since a modest one-time fee gets your game idea in front a thousands of eyes.
@danlei88
@danlei88 9 лет назад
That's smart PR in my opinion :)
@Skylos
@Skylos 9 лет назад
Actually i see it as a positive thing to put up a game that is basicly already done. You can show so much more of your game so your backers will more likely not get dissapointed. and if you have the money, but it is barely enough, then you could even have things like "i will add these extra features and/or your own ideas if i get this much/ you back me with this much". it can in some cases just make your game even better
@CamsEyeView
@CamsEyeView 9 лет назад
personally, KS is a good idea for something like this like Albino Lullaby was just covering those final bits of development cost and the rest was for marketing and how they can show off their game at different press events like say SXSW.
@thewizardninja
@thewizardninja 9 лет назад
It really depends. I see a lot of Kickstarter projects made to IMPROVE a game beyond what's done, which is a great way to not only create buzz for an already finished game but to also, well, add content to a game that might not have made it in. I've also seen projects made in order to acquire a marketing budget, which is really sneaky seeing as the Kickstarter itself helps with marketing. Still, as long as you're upfront about what your Kickstarter is actually for then you can't call it dishonest.
@BillyPalmerMusic
@BillyPalmerMusic 9 лет назад
I ain't got the time or knowledge to make a game but for some reason I can't stop watching this series
@UnknownTuber450
@UnknownTuber450 3 года назад
Rip Newgrounds with any flash games
@rezk6789
@rezk6789 9 лет назад
Can I just say that I absolutely love the drawings in these episodes. I laughed a couple of times, some of them are so inventive.
@UmekCrafter
@UmekCrafter 9 лет назад
I wonder if someone made a game already, after watching "Making your first game - Basics"
@clonerstive
@clonerstive 9 лет назад
This has gotten me so excited about getting back into coding. Thanks a lot! :D And as a voice over artist, I can't wait for that voice acting episode! :D
@bbs-borutoblazingstrike7513
@bbs-borutoblazingstrike7513 7 лет назад
Cloner Stive please am making a game and we need voice actors please can u join
@AshleyCarruthersOrAJ
@AshleyCarruthersOrAJ 8 лет назад
what about text based? I'm working on a text based game it so far has NPC (wip) a main menu a market and I'm still yet to add quests, bosses dungeon and I already have random loot done and it's already 640 lines long :D it's my first big project in python :)
@GESTOPTKANAALDJARO
@GESTOPTKANAALDJARO 7 лет назад
Ashley Carruthers I can't even learn javascript properly :(
@AshleyCarruthersOrAJ
@AshleyCarruthersOrAJ 7 лет назад
DjaroGames I'm doing this in Python . It's now 809 lines long and I think I might put the code somewhere for people to mess with
@BFedie518
@BFedie518 7 лет назад
Python is easier than javascript.
@BFedie518
@BFedie518 7 лет назад
***** Use the libraries! If you want 2D graphics, use Pygame or something similar. It makes things a hell of a lot easier. Also: Documentation. Writing comments can be a pain, and they're not super important while you're actively working on it, but if you ever go a period of time without touching the game (even like two weeks), it can be easy to forget why you coded certain things and get lost in your own logic. So it's best to just comment as you go. I'd also suggest using git or something for version control and to backup your work. This lets you make branches and experiment without worrying about breaking the entire thing.
@BFedie518
@BFedie518 7 лет назад
TJPrime well, I've never released a game on steam, so i can't actually help you there :P
@jamestopfaff
@jamestopfaff 7 лет назад
Here is some advice: for me i like really colorful games since they make me more joyful if bright and that's why i like the pikmin series and yoshi's woolly world as it keeps me happy through the game as well as the polishing needing some music to go with the color. If you are making a game please note this when polishing
@DenlixCutix
@DenlixCutix 5 лет назад
5:18 my face when my game gets 100 visits
@MILADISGONE
@MILADISGONE 6 лет назад
Thank you guys so much, with your videos I learned so much more than I learned when I was "learning" in university...
@2d20kobolds3
@2d20kobolds3 9 лет назад
Mmmm DAT lonely rolling star remix
@missedthebandwagon976
@missedthebandwagon976 9 лет назад
Man, I can't wait to see what some people come up with! I hope once it's done they link to it here or on another episode about making your first game. Good luck you brave creators you!
@Nonadecimal
@Nonadecimal 9 лет назад
Releasing your game is just the first step too. You have to work hard to keep supporting it and finding new audiences who will identify with your game. I released the topical Social Justice Warriors game in May 2014 and it took 9 months of updates and promotion before people finally started discovering it. The Steam release is finally coming this month. Check it out! www.nonadecimal.com/SJW
@VGDocs
@VGDocs 9 лет назад
Looks good! Screw those uneducated plebs in the comments section. :)
@coastersplus
@coastersplus 9 лет назад
Trogdor8freebird Be careful, lest you look like a judgmental fool yourself! Nonadecimal Creative Thank you for showing us, the people of the Internet, how stupid we are. I hope you stop getting so much hate for it.
@abyssshark5599
@abyssshark5599 6 лет назад
For now ive seen all of the videos related to these subject and I find them helpful , specially wen I'm a student in the videogame industry
@CornishCreamtea07
@CornishCreamtea07 9 лет назад
I fail at marketing.
@danlei88
@danlei88 9 лет назад
Try to look for people that do PR for a living and try to get them to collaborate with you or if you have the money, hire them. There's quite a few people doing that kind of thing for indie games :)
@CornishCreamtea07
@CornishCreamtea07 9 лет назад
Thanks, I find a lot of people are not interested in marketing so it is harder to find someone who wants to do it.
@danlei88
@danlei88 9 лет назад
CornishCreamtea07 I do this for a living for indie teams but I'm full on clients and I have to charge money. I can give you some simple advice (free) or answer if you have some questions if you want but this video covered the basics very well :)
@t4nkychannel921
@t4nkychannel921 9 лет назад
If you, like most people reading this, can't afford someone to hire a person, the alternative (from what I can tell) is to be as prolific as possible posting. In other words,go around talking to people on sites like youtube. Don't just push your stuff at random, though. What you should be doing is talking to people and put links on your projects on, let's say, your RU-vid channel. Then, if you're talking, and someone thinks "Wow, what a cool guy, wonder what his RU-vid page is like," they'll know what you're working on.
@masterlifeandlove6757
@masterlifeandlove6757 6 лет назад
I replied. So its a success
@GnarledStaff
@GnarledStaff 7 лет назад
I love how a lot of this advice transfers over to other projects. I'm writing notes.
@neatpolygons8500
@neatpolygons8500 9 лет назад
if I build a really nice game and I make millions from it .. remeber me to make a huge donation for Extra Credits ;)
@patrickgamer47
@patrickgamer47 5 лет назад
did you make millions yet?
@mwconsultancynzlimited8253
@mwconsultancynzlimited8253 5 лет назад
Thank you for making this so simple (even though it ain't easy!). This has helped me to visualize the end product and the next steps. Awesome! Thanks from Aotearoa (New Zealand)
@zintage2826
@zintage2826 8 лет назад
I love you guys, all of your videos are great. You all give information with such little bias, it's amazing and refreshing.
@RarefoilB
@RarefoilB 9 лет назад
So you recommend I release that one room platforming game with buggy collision and charge a dollar for it?
@GideonGleeful95
@GideonGleeful95 9 лет назад
I was going to say that. I would not want to release my first buggy mess onto steam just to have everyone go "why the fuck are you charging for what is essentially a broken beta test?" I mean, Slaughtering Grounds anyone? Garry's Incident? Guise of the Wolf?
@Skylos
@Skylos 9 лет назад
Not really. you could try to finish it, remove most of the bugs and release for free, just for the reviews sake and the experience
@laughingskuls7000
@laughingskuls7000 9 лет назад
***** It's still your first game and as good as it might be it can't be anywhere near as any FREE flash game you get online, let alone steam.
@vulapa
@vulapa 9 лет назад
That is not what they are explicitly saying. The video focuses on marketing and the various methods of releasing "a" game, not throwing your prototypes on a market.
@Skylos
@Skylos 9 лет назад
Jockeykiller Yes i know, it will most likely not be as good as most games, but you won't gain any experience if you don't release it somewhere. And i did NEVER say anything about steam -.-
@cryptoturtle320
@cryptoturtle320 7 лет назад
These videos helped a lot. My friends and I were thinking of making a game and now I know to start small and not big. I hope we do make a decent game.
@darkmage07070777
@darkmage07070777 9 лет назад
Aaaand there it is. I've made a few very simple games, but none of them have anything special enough to actually bother releasing to people - just stuff like Pac Man and Asteroids clones (with worse graphics, too). The series was fun to watch and somewhat helpful, but I can't seem to make anything that would get people wanting to play it other then "I know the guy who programmed it personally", so I don't think I'm cut out for this. Looking forward to future videos, though, as EC is usually quite fun!
@kahlzun
@kahlzun 9 лет назад
Perhaps think of a quirk you can add in to make it 'different'. Perhaps a version of Pacman where it's turn-based, and you control the ghosts?
@misterawesome123456
@misterawesome123456 9 лет назад
This WAS a problem I was thinking about to make my first game. But now, I can show people my talent. Thanks!
@GustavoSilva-ny8jc
@GustavoSilva-ny8jc 2 года назад
I LOVE the artstyle, it's so cute, funny and especially, representative. I love the last part.
@00naruhina
@00naruhina 9 лет назад
I know It's not the focus of the episode. but omg i cannot stop laughing at the picture from 5:20 its hilarious!!! I LOVE IT!!!
@davidabeats
@davidabeats 9 лет назад
As an indie developer for the wii u, I would definitely recommend trying out the indie console market. Specifically for Nintendo, I sent them a portfolio of all the games I made and they got back to me about 2 months later and gave me access to Unity and the Wii U Dev Kit (there will be fees). It's a great way to get started in console development.
@niamy1
@niamy1 7 лет назад
Hey, I just went through the Unity tutorial and made Roll a Ball. This is insane!
@NickPiers
@NickPiers 9 лет назад
I wish there was advice like this for marketing, say, novels. I had my first novel published two years ago and it's been a struggle to get the word out. Even now, it's still only been bought by primarily friends and family (or friends of theirs). Given that it's within a superhero style genre, I reached out to some comic book news sites, but to no avail. Asked a few people I follow on Twitter to re-tweet it and only one or two did (like my favourite author, Greg Rucka). Now, I have my second novel coming out in March and I'm hoping to be a little more pro-active this time around. I'm already asking around for interviews and reviews from different sites that I've learned about. And thinking of better ways to promote myself this time. Who knows if it'll work. Still, I think it's universal - regardless of the medium - that being the new fish in a big pond is incredibly hard. It's like getting everyone's attention in Times Square on New Years Eve right when it hits midnight. Oh, and my book? The City of Smoke & Mirrors (An Armadillo Mystery). It's on Amazon. The second one is The Dame was a Tad Polish and as I said, should be out in March.
@bondfall0072
@bondfall0072 9 лет назад
Thank you so much EC. I might be a teenager, but these episodes are going to help me a lot.
@johnmarroreynaldo1294
@johnmarroreynaldo1294 8 лет назад
game making industry sure is awesome..you guys motivates me even more to be a great game dev!
@Wyattap125
@Wyattap125 9 лет назад
Thumbs up to EC for being the most inspirational and helpful people out there
@danerang
@danerang 9 лет назад
this just reminded me to go work on my game, thank you for reminding me Extra Credits
@sharkyj368
@sharkyj368 3 года назад
I've seen many series on youtube of people making devlogs on games they're making. Making devlogs I'm sure would be a great way to get people to know about a game you're making
@tablenarue9519
@tablenarue9519 9 лет назад
this makes me think of when people ask me how to spread something around, or make whatever they're trying to promote get more attention. I usually tell them to put what they're spreading in all of the places they can, even the places they don't think will work or that they don't think they can access. Most of the time all you have to do is keep trying, since there is usually very little to no drawback.
@R0V0lv0
@R0V0lv0 6 лет назад
Im actually building my first game now and this very interesting. I guess when Im ready Ill come back and look at this again. Thank you!
@HKBoba
@HKBoba 9 лет назад
cant get enough of you guys! rewatched ur vids a ton of times and i make anyone who works w. me watch them XD keep it coming @_@#addict
@osaka35
@osaka35 9 лет назад
And remember, just because someone complains about it, that doesn't mean you aught to change it. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding on their part, or they're miss-attributing what they're feeling/seeing. Some people like to tell you that you're doing something wrong, but you have to parse out what it is they're actually saying, and not just take what they're saying at face value.
@TheDonsky
@TheDonsky 8 лет назад
Kind of funny. Marketing was exactly the thing I failed at a couple of years ago, when I had enough free time and decided to try to make a game. Anyway, that one was something I started as a project around a purposefully dumb idea, just to familiarize myself with the engine and the overall experience turned out to be quite amazing, despite the fact that I never tried hard enough to publish the thing, even if the game itself seemed to be funny at times. Watching this video reminded me of that and let me understand my mistakes a bit better.
@rcoppy
@rcoppy 9 лет назад
I was cracking up at the art in this one more than usual. Great job!!!
@ultimateninjaboi
@ultimateninjaboi 9 лет назад
3:11 never have more accurate words been spoken.
@craig3862
@craig3862 5 лет назад
thanks this kind of information very useful for keeping me grounded. it's to easy to dream up a concept, and then have no idea how to implement it with very little resources and time.
@spartandud3
@spartandud3 9 лет назад
One bit of advice id give is also with your first game which took you a couple of months to make in between working your regular job, which might be only one dungeon you made in RPG Maker that also crashes to desktop when you finish. Put it out there for free or super duper cheap.
@attckDog
@attckDog 9 лет назад
This series could have started at a better time! I'm about 3 weeks into my first game. I'm excited to finally have a project coming together that I truly believe will be both release worthy as well as simple enough for a 1-ish man operation to finish successfully.
@roncallahan334
@roncallahan334 5 лет назад
found this, it was a nice motivational series thank you so much for this
@MrZachariasMath
@MrZachariasMath 9 лет назад
Fantastic series! Thanks for producing this. Also at :30 seconds, looks like the guys hand is coming out of the games eye...
@arabianchessfriends
@arabianchessfriends 8 лет назад
me and my friend started developing a game as he is the designer of levels and programming is for me we are not going too far as we planted it to be 15 level game the basic idea in this game is to lose to learn and controlling yourself for not going rage basic idea not too far I'm running on all of the basics you told me to go on so thanks
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