@@Spelliot_Dragons My favourite author (Jo Nesbo, male writer) wrote my favourite thriller, Ki*ling Moon, the main antagonist of wich is like the subbiest lovey-dovey man (also clinically insane lol) you'll get from an antagonist. It's the literal opposite of the "man always strong" mindset, and yet it doesn't talk negatively of masculinity, as the main protagonist is a strong male leader. It's balanced and it works. Now, guess how little attention this book gets from people. Altough i think that also has to do with bad marketing, but i definitely had more fun reading it than i had with Stephen King novels, even tough i like Stephen King's works. Also, if you read this far, I luv u.
Male writers be like: She never wore makeup, but her eyelashes touched her eyebrows and her lips were red as a rose. Natural-not like other girls. Her cheeks were a perfect pinkish hue.
Lmao sooo painfully accurate. And don't forget the skin! Always smooth, soft, supple, flawless, described usually as some kind of food (why) 💀 and it's always men writing what they want to do to women. When they describe physical features in a weird way it's so obviously just a reflection of their fantasy. No wonder why we get creeped out.
See, this is insane! Look, I want to try and write fan fiction, and thankfully, anybody who would read it would know the general description of the characters. But I would try to describe it like this: She seemed extremely general, however, she did have white strands in her auburn hair. He couldn’t tell if they were natural or not, so he assumed the latter. She wasn’t wearing make-up, he assumes she hadn’t in a while, seeing how well her skin was kept. (Fun fact about make-up, it really does mess with your skin, it tends to make things like blackheads and pimples worse because it covers your pores) Her eyes were a nice and simple brown, but looking closer…specks of blue? Odd, but oddly alluring. He realized he’s been microanalyzing her for a few minutes now, and she was staring back in return So, whaddaya think? Again, I’ve never written a piece of fiction.
@@Un.knowns This is pretty good! Unless you're making a comic, I'd put the skin color in there. For example let's just say whoever the girl you're describing is black. If you don't want to say straight up she's black then you could say: "Her skin is tanned" "her skin is dark in color" "Her skin is bronze" Etc. Just search up names for skin tones. For lighter tones: "Her skin is pale" Though, that is overused. "her skin is like the color of sand" "Her skin complexion is like porcelain" "Her ivory skin was rough" These are quite better, and don't make the character seem like a vampire. The last one throws in her skin color, but it also does a good job describing the skin texture. You can do that for every description of skin color.
@@Un.knowns And instead of saying- "She seemed extremely general," you could say, "She looked completely generic." Or "She looked extremely generic."
@@rathost7996 Thank you for the tips! I’m busy with school since it’s finals time, and I’m also busy during the summer, so I don’t know if I will get to it or not. Maybe I can work on the draft during musical rehearsal… In any case, I do really appreciate your help with descriptions, because I’m not the best at it, or any fiction pieces actually. I’m not great at writing in general
Meanwhile, many female authors: "He had every mental illness in the book, was troubled and violent. But the female main character, who is TOTALLY not me and also literally perfect in every way, fixes him by showing him LOVE~... Like she never addresses his issues or resolves his possible trauma and/or helps him deal with his compulsions or mental breakdowns... They just DISAPPEAR~, whenever she is around. Because therapy and medication is overrated for men. But i'm also never writing about him actually getting better, that would be boring~."
And don't forget the "tall, dark and brooding" character that's mean and cruel to everyone, yet everyone loves him because he's a "mystery with a troubled past." Bonus points if he makes the fem protagonist cry, which results in an argument that makes him fall in love with her
For though lmao. Bonus points for the male being moderately abusive and general POS. You could tell by this girl's haircut she has VERY strong opinions about anything a man does, and none of them positive, lmao.
'Her name was Aurora Borialis, but people called her Abs for short. She was different, not like other girls. She had an appropriate amount of freckles and lavender gold eyes that shined like glitter. She would cut out pages of bibles to make paper swans and didn't care what people thought of her.' - Stanzi.
She was different, not like other girls. Her brain had been put in a jar to pilot a 100 ton Atlas Assault Mech with LBX10 Autocannons and Streak SRM-6 Racks which she used to destroy Clanner Scum for the glory of House Steiner! . . . Am I doing it right? XD
"She was glimmering in the sun, her baked skin scrumptious in the light. Her cheekbones were flawless, her womb fertile. I waved hello. Her nipples waved back."
Hmm yes, only men write like this and female authors have zero shortcomings as well.. kinda a sexist take on this but this is also how straight female writers write characters too.
I agree this video is pretty exaggerated but its premise is true. I haven’t read any books written by women with this tone, yet a lot of male authors I’ve read, have. Hair dye doesn’t determine one’s personality, by the way.
Can you give me the timestamp for the part where she said female authors have zero shortcomings? Must have missed it :) or was it your male ego hallucinating?
Men write two types of women: damsel (with no agency and mommy milkers) or badass ( also with no agency and mommy milkers but this time with GUN) Edit: I come back to this a year later but honestly one of my favorite authors is male Neal Shusterman and the book is Unwind (whole series is so fun to read) ironically I don’t fully agree with myself anymore lmao
And woman less desirable if she has titty bitties and thick thighs, resembling a pear. But she tries for male validation... To no avail.. so she's delegated as a minor character like a healer or -slave- servant
That's what i noticed, wether they portray women weak or strong she's still treated like a sex object. No difference. Especially the mommy stuff, sex object. No matter what role a woman plays or her position of power shes always a sex object in the end. Male sexuality by nature is selfish. Female orgasm or enjoyments is something they just don't view as important. Can't name any category where female orgasm is a point of arousal for males.
“She was called Aurora borealis,everyone called her abs,for short,she has a permanent disease that stopped her from growing body hair,but allowed her to grow eyebrows,curvy eyelashes and long beautiful hair” 💀
Nah she just hates men and can’t read because if she had actually read that book, she would’ve realized it’s the worst book she could’ve picked because it’s actually written by a male author who can write women very competently
"she was stick thin... Except her massive boobs that were 30 pounds each. She never wore makeup, because she was born with natural lash extensions, lipstick, eyeshadow and blush."
These comments make me want to read a book where the main character is just so genuinely godawful at describing things that you're never quite sure what anyone actually looks like in the book. Like, canonically has that disorder where they can't recognize faces and is also colorblind and has never read a thesaurus. "Her skin is... Well it's skin for sure. She has a nice voice and I'm pretty sure she has both eyes."
@@Potato-uh9gv "The lady had many qualities for which to recognize her from, like her hair, which was a length befitting a woman of her status, and her lips, which moved when she spoke."
As a person with the no recognize face disorder, someone having only one or no eyes altogether would definitely cause me to remember them, and still question I’d it’s the same person. Now if they just had regular ol eyes I wouldn’t remember shit 😂
... try reading Chinese novels... "Jade skin, peerless silky white skin, heavens chime in tune with her steps , men cannot take away their eyes, gentle demeanor, yet imperial in presence"
Meanwhile, women writing men: “He was a tall, dominant man with a cold, dark soul and a piercing gaze. His muscular frame and alpha-like dominance made him standout from the basic men of high school life. Every girl would be weak in their knees within seconds of setting their orbs on him. He really was the spitting image of a dream guy.” And then the love story would be weirdly flirty and abusive at the same time.
I'm a young author (male) I found this funny and so true or to those who lack self control. I'd have to say those kind of books are.....really something 💀
There was this book we had to read in school about a man (painted as a victim) who felt that his secretary was seducing him and leading him into sin and ruin, everything (and i mean EVERYTHING) she did was interpreted as her leading him on, and then he ended up going crazy and killing her when he decided to act upon her "seductions" only for her to "change her mind" and be horrified at the prospect cause she actually saw him like a father. We had to do an essay about it and literally every girl in the class did it about the male autor problem or the machismo in latin american literature and how women cannot exist in these works as normal people ever. I included in mine the insane amount of times her breasts were mentioned for no reason.
@@kiraneru-loliluxyt2912 sorry but its been like 5 years, I don't remember, it was something along the lines of "la muerte de..." (the death of...) and the name of the girl if I remember correctly, but i'm not sure if it has an english translation, it was from an Argentinian author
@@angelaz8496 if that had been the point it would had still been horribly conveyed because the plot of the book was to excuse the main character's behavior and ultimately the murder he committed, it was supposed be an eye opening story of some kind. It wasn't the only book on that class (latin american literature) that I did a list of "unnecessary mention of boobs when describing women" on, it was a recurring thing in the books we read, and it took until the girls in our class started to groan out loud every few sentences for our teacher to take notice of this too because if you read enough books on the same vein it becomes the norm (hence why some of my classmates wrote their essays on the problems of machismo and misogyny for all of these authors). Also, I remember investigating the author and seeing him regurgitating incel talk points on his interviews and actually believing that female-tergeted homicides were not a real thing, saying that the men who committed them should not be judged as harshly as they were because how did we not know that they weren't the actual victims and werent just actually acting on self defense, and like, that was the plot of the book so... Very weird guy....
I once edited a fantasy novel and got into a fight with the author because he had described a woman walking into a room *boobs first*. He had painstakingly detailed how her breasts were the first thing to enter a space. I told him it sounded utterly ridiculous, he wanted to keep it in for "fan service." Eventually I won him over by bringing a group of 5 of his female friends over and having them read the passage to get their genuine reactions, which mostly consisted of laughing out loud and asking him what was wrong with him.
@@novalopez3068 Haha if it was meant to be a funny story, I would absolutely keep it in. But the dude wanted the book to be taken seriously. You're totally right though, what posture would possibly achieve that, even if she does have large boobs?
@@roftherealm3418 I think that she would need to have some problems with her spine, like lordosis too deep for a human being and her arms and head pulled back in a dramatic manner. I will see it in my worst nightmares, a creature so inhumanly bizzare that the first distinguishable thing the mc notices are the BOBIES
It honestly just depends on how the author is, not the gender. But most of the time in fantasy stories women are weak, and sexualized, mainly because it's a male author.
@@Tellme_whataHeartis yes, it depends on how the author is. But to say that men are the only ones who write in a weird sexual way is simply wrong. Women write out sexual fantasy books just as, if not more often than the men and it’s equally as weird
I my self are a man and I work in a library and have read almost every single book in there. Before you judge people like that please think about what your saying.
"This sixteen year old girl got a boob job to better distract her targets and assassinate them" A real thing that happens in a fantasy novel written by a man 🙃
So many books are like that! And admittedly I do notice a trend with guy characters written by wen sometimes. These books: he was very hot, tan, mysterious, she hate’s him be she also doesn’t
If you keep living this life you will actually go to hell and it isnt a joke you cant come out there. satan doesn't love you only God does but if you die and you have never turnd to Him, God will also hate you and say that He doenst know you.
"she was white, like the moon, no, whiter than the moon like really white, she's very submissive, and white." -A reiteration of something I read written by a male author
@@sbp4215 Sexuality is like spice for intimacy. You can taste spice on its own, sure, but it's not as satisfying as when you mix it with something of substance.
Yes its as manga is a dime a dozen and isnt made by actual good writers with only 1 out of 100 are actually competent writers and are not just good artist who write cliche storys that follow every common trope to get your heart strings.
Some men say all this stuff about woman, but the second a woman talks about something that mostly men do they throw a tantrum 💀 Edit: I apologize if anyone felt generalized by my comment. That wasn't my intention at all. I edited it to fix this problem.
@@ashleylongley1628 True, if the world just accepted everyone for their differences and preferences and didn't hurt anyone or anything in the process. The world would be 100x better than it is now.
@@efflorescentcrystal Dark romance is a touch horror and a touch kink, with some gothic inspiration, it is what it is, but are we just ignoring someone compared horny writing to "heavily breasted boobily as her ovaries overwrote her feeble female mind"?
@tonyisnotdead the difference is an attractive and submissive female character written by a man = sexist. An attractive and submissive female character written by a woman = empowering because reasons.
The best part about all of this is that the Witcher is one of the worst examples to bring up in this argument because it does not fall into that category whatsoever of bad me writing a woman
In highschool I had to read a short story by a male author, and he described the only female character in uncomfortable detail right before the protagonist committed manslaughter.
@@va4275Goodness that book, it made me so uncomfortable the way he was so transfixed on whether or not she was a virgin and his obsession with her when she clearly wasn’t interested.
As a man looking back on it. I can't remember a book written by a man with a girl that didn't have their personality absorbed by there milkers. (Except Terry Pratchett, RIP best writer to ever put pen to paper)
Milan Kundera writes great women, Hermann Hesse has just a few but most are intelligent strong women, same with Oscar Wilde... I don't think Edgar Allan Poe has any lascivious description of any of his women... Also I can think of a few Hispanic authors with good women, Luis Spota, Torcuato Luca de Tena, Mario Benedetti... That's just from the top of my mind
There was a book that described a woman peeing. She said shit like "I had to wait 20 seconds for the fluid to come out as it navigated the maze called my insides. Unlike men, whose liquid releases instantly, us women have to sit and wait and blah blah"
I once read a reader insert fanfic where the author described boobs as, "globes of flesh" and "pink areolas". That was a wild ride 💀 EDIT: Oh shit, I just remembered one last term in that particular fic. The author referred to vagina as "cunny". I really wish that bit had stayed forgotten.
I once read a FNaF smut fic on Wattpad some years ago and read "He pulled out his 2.5m long member..." And my only thought was: "How does that fit in his pants?" 😂😂
@@solus8685 It was moreso the fact that the author just assumed that the reader has pale skin tbh. Like they could have just said 'nipples' but with that additional description to it, it read more like the author was projecting rather than just writing a neutral reader insert fanfic.
This goes both ways. I saw a Wattpad fanfic, where some guy who is a 6 feet tall, rich, handsome mafia boss kidnaps the main character to "breed" her😃🔫
What would make happy? The two gazed at each other, both fumbling and excitedly confused, their mentallly delayed leftist brain mater, jellied by so many years of useless time spent getting a gender studies degree that niether knew if they had vaginas or dicks so didn't do anything but eat some pizza pockets and get high.
@@faith8953 primarily just high school women in general if anything. And I fail to see why skin color matters. If this was a man, it would be the rare case of some horny theater kid. Which is the only kind of men in this girls circle🤣.
True true, but we can give children a pass for being a bit cringy in their writing. Most of them are just having fun and aren't trying to sell anything. Adult men and women writing books for sale deserve a bit more criticism from their readership as their writing is supposed to be more nuanced and mature.
All the people who are mad about this fail to see the issue. If you're saying that women write sexualised men too, they usually bring up romance, which is FOCUSED on romance and sexuality. This is a FANTASY book, and while fantasy certainly can have romance or sexual elements, the fact that this is a common theme is unsettling. And yes, women can write sexual stuff in fantasy too, but it's not nearly as common or prevalent. If you fail to see this issue, or just wanna put your fingers in your ears and scream, then I don't want to engage with you.
Yes, but can we also talk about how when women write in a way that caters to the Female Gaze, the fictional men they write are given so much more dignity and agency than male authors sometimes give female characters, even when the male characters written by women are sexualized or romanticized. A good example of this is the way men are written in Shoujo manga. Yes, women are absolutely capable of writing men badly as well, but when we look at the Female Gaze vs. the Male Gaze on the whole, the Female Gaze generally speaking does so much better at treating the male love interest as a human being and not just an object of desire. And honestly, when women write men as just a hunky piece of meat without an interesting personality, that is just as much a turn off as female characters who do everything boobily.
@@carolineholland5841 YES thank you! I completely forgot to elaborate on that so I'm glad you brought it up! I think a great example of what you're saying is the live action George of the Jungle, George is written for the female gaze and is obviously made to look "sexy and dreamy" but he's complex and honorable too. Thanks for bringing this point up friend, hope you have a lovely day!
@@carolineholland5841 I think that because men and woman tend to have different values they find attractive. Don't think one is worse then the other in most case, sure men are definitely less subtle about it and noticeably more direct about it. 50 shade of grey write christen grey as dominant rich top, and for a lot of men that a huge insecurity. I am submissive bottom, I'm not hugely insecure about it but its still something I struggle with.
I'm sure you're right and that this might be a problem in writing, but the overall opinion of this comment section is that man can't write, which is just not true. There's plenty of great female characters with agency, and not sexualized in the slightest, written by man. And as I said, for sure over sexualization is a problem, but alienating an entire gender for the sins of some is not a great way to set discourse.
@@carolineholland5841i gotta disagree? Dignity the only reason theg are given a sense of dignity is because a lot of women like to fantasize about strong men. Thata why the most popular reads havd to do with vampires or werewolves. Sure they have dignity but they have no personality besides the stereotypical "I am here to protect you" or they are a complete blubbering mess. The pengelem swings both ways
as a male ghost writer who has written a fair few hundred romance novels over the years (almost all published by female authors) i feel attacked, believe it or not there are male authors who can write romance better than women
@@draconecromante2606 all I want is for women to realise that men can also write romance, due to contractual obligations, I cant disclose any book names or authors, but I can say at least 38 of my works in the last 4 years I've ghost written have been best sellers
The best way to escape this is to write a character with no assumed gender, and then change the pronounse and description after its done. A lot of people do this
Same that’s why I withhold descriptions until it matters to material story scenes. Here’s a sample By the wood fire a rounded hooded figure held the helm of the cloak teetering about the flames which set the small fire her eyes danced by the embers. She wondered how to speak to her mother ill of health it will be near her elder brother’s estate inherited by their wise Grandmother a pastry chef. Of the family he was tasked in resuming the business line. A sour grumble hit her stomach she kept playing with the timber making the bubbling pot simmer her mouth watering dinner. In the lands she owns her father gave her the harvest was not bountiful come this year. Worried by the loss in yield she thought of her mothers insalubrious health coming down a sickness. She pondered her lips it brought a chill running her finger to the fire…
Honestly, I find RU-vid as a whole more "conservative/anti-SJW" compared to TicTok. Perhaps TT knows how to orginize communities better than YT, or TT has a younger userbase.
@@tylociraptor8131 how was it misandry? The way I understood it, it's just that *_some_* male authors can't write a woman correctly to save their lives.
"soon she realised she was pregnant, and none of her accomplishments or skills or goals meant anything in the face of her true calling that she had denied for so long, the real source of happiness she had never known before - motherhood. her days as the carefree Lover were through, for now she was only Mother. by the way her shirt was still see-through."
“He caresses her cheek, his hands were as big as her head, “I’m c-cold..” she said softly, she’s shivering and her soft pale skin was cold to the touch. “Here..” he says, giving her his sweater that for some reason he didn’t have a shirt under, “H-huh? I’m alright y-you don’t need to give your sweater to me..” she blushes, staring down at his beautiful abs” 💀
Yeah, but this Channel is here to propagate a toxic viewpoint of the world, your point is valid and real but nobody here is going to listen and instead focuses on their agenda as an oppressed minority so, though factually right, your point is simultaneously invalid due to close mindedness
Thank you. I was wondering why she acted like male authors don’t write good fantasy books. Lord of the rings? A song of ice and fire? Come on. That’s just sexist
I won’t say anything about female authors writing men to be 6’6, muscular and ripped, blue eyes and blonde hair, obsessed, trillionaires and fucking mafia bosses that just randomly kidnap a girl
when i ghost write a male character in romance, there always men of above average looks such as "he was the sort of man you would instantly notice in a crowd but would never stare at for more than a few moments"
@@TeaCupToast i like to consider myself an expert at "ugly beauty" romance between either someone unconventionally beautiful or someone below average looking, its an artform that so many women cant write, its all in the nuances but ive only encountered 10 female writers who can actually nail it
“She was called Roslyn, bullied by the people around her because of her natural beauty they couldn’t compare to, and she was too weak and womanly to stand up for herself. She was a curvy girlish figure with magically voluminous boobs opposite to her 9 inch waist, who enchanted every man, but was too shy and unconfident to ever believe in her gorgeous natural looks. Her blue doe eyes were like watercolors shimmering as she looked up at the heroic man of her dreams, chad.”
For anyone worried about falling into this trap in their own writing, just think: if you chnaged the gender of the character, would you want to change anything else about them? The best strong female characters are just strong characters that happen to be female!
Stephen King falls into this category. He may not describe women with the words of a 13 year old greasy boy, but he would suddenly bring attention to the (surprisingly perky) body parts of women that contributes absolutely nothing to the story. We'd know a one-off character that only exists for 2 seconds for her butt before we know anything else. For a horror story that's still creepy as hell.
@@heatherofhyrule9050 Same. I'm a fan, but I still have to roll my eyes at some of the passages describing women (and girls 🤢). Carrie was the first King book I read, and by the end I was seriously wondering if he understood how periods work. Then I read It and realized he just has a weird fascination with them, probably.
“She was tall, had blue eyes, black hair, and muscles. She was very cute.” The only description you get the entire book. We know what’s up. You can fill in the rest.
@@lupamoodrasarmah1759 some writers should take notes, we need details to imagine how characters look without it just being a checklist of hair colour, eye colour, size of breasts. And at the same time some writers go to much into detail not just on people but rooms and stuff, after a page and a half we are all begging for story
“Her skin was like porcelain, and as light as the milk in my coffee. Her lips were all natural, and very full. Her cheeks were the perfect rose shade and her eyelashes were long and thick like no other lashes. she’d never worn makeup in her life”
Female authors: He was tall, handsome like adonis, and built like one. His last name was black, black like his soul. He was dangerous but soft at the same time. He was rich and a mafia boss, but also a vampire, werwolf hybrid at the same time - an alpha under the alphas. He was a jerk, but every female on earth wanted him, but no one was good enough for him until he met the female protagonist, which was average, not even pretty, but in some way the rich, alpha half god just immediately fell in love with her! Because she wasn't like the other girls! She was special! So he did everything to make her his!! In an aggressive, sexy, alpha way. 😂😂😂😂
Honestly, bro, Rick Riordan is the only male fantasy author I've read who doesn't do this to the woman characters (Edit: not to be that person, but holy shit that's the most comments and likes I've gotten. Thanks!)
