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In regards to the whole “killer pointlessly toying with their prey” trope, you need look no further than Freddy Kruger and Pennywise for how to do it right. Both these killers gain something from taking time to scare their victims instead of killing them outright. Pennywise because fear improves the taste when he eats them. And Freddy because he gains power the more people believe in him. Just have your killer need something along those lines, and you can have “needlessly” scary scenes that make sense with the world you establish.
If you do do it though do it well. Like I read this book right, it has nothing to do with this but anyway, and you got the killers backstory and how he became like he was. So if you want to create a sadistic killer show how they became that person, show why, show times when they were like that.
I agree with you and did enjoy IT pt 1 quite a bit but I don't think they really went far enough driving home that Pennywise keeps the kids alive to feed on their fear. imo
Yeah, the only way that a killer toying with their victim rather than killing them works is if your killer has an established reason for doing so, like something in their their backstory. Specifically, something that makes them want to force their victim to fear them as much as possible before killing them, or one that makes the killer want to feel like they have absolute control over the victim before finishing them off.
James Wann said he wanted to make a movie you'd randomly find at the back of a VHS store in the 80s, he succeeded at what his goal is. I'm happy it was marketed as a real horror film, it's way more fun going in expecting one thing and then getting something hilarious.
@Irontrails RX Yeah that's kind of the point, a studio gave him this much money and he decided to make an extremely obvious campy movie that doesn't just wink at the camera. It's better than nearly all the other big budget b movie style films from recent years because it plays everything straight, which makes it funnier
@Irontrails RX no, he's just gotten to a point in his career where he doesn't have to play it safe anymore, everything he's made so far has been extremely basic and crowd pleasing. He succeed in what he wanted to make.
@Irontrails RX That's the thing, the lead actress can act, everything in that film is intentional. Most horror fans actually enjoyed it because unlike this guy they actually picked up on what it's intent was. This is a bad review because he's reviewing it as something it was never intended to be, and he somehow didn't pick up on the clearly obvious ridiculous tone the movie was going for. Its refreshing to see a stupidly fun movie in sea of generic and boring horror, especially from a big studio.
lol james wan. maybe one day he will realize "Lights Out" was based on as short movie wich was a total ripoff of "Home Alone 2005" and give the original creator the credit he deserves.
i actually think its the opposite problem. his mind has been melted by too many modern horror movies. he goes into it expecting a straight horror and is disappointed even when the film makes it clear thats not its intention. and then partakes in bad faith criticism since he addresses he understands the authorial intent. i literally just wrote up a wayyyy too long response to this dude and im thinking abt recording and uploading a response vid because he missed the point so hard lmfao
@@kg7219 shitting on bad mainstream movie is easier and gets you more views. this channel started interesting but its de-evolving into cinemasins' level of laziness. just like the drinker and mauler
That's hilarious! Apparently Madison's quaint two story Victorian style home has a giant industrial fan on the back side of it running 24/7. That woman's electric bill must be enormous.
Maybe that's why his husband was so abusive. He's just fed up with the amount of money they are burning because she doesnt want to remove that indrmustrial fan.
@@thydzz2180 Ha ha. He's probably more pissed at the money they blew installing a giant fan in the first place. That thing can't possibly be part of the original construction.
@@aperson4640 "You know honey, this would help us with the house's ventilation. Look at those sweatshops in China, they got these kinds of fan to ventilate an entire factory. I'm pretty sure it would do great in our house" *Husband snaps and batters wife*
I’m just going to say this film isn’t trying to be a scary modern day horror movie-it’s trying to be an 80s campy horror movie that you would find in the back of a blockbuster-that weird movie that nobody rents but years later gets a cult following
Its more like a 2000s horror b movie. Something like dead silence from 2006, which james wan also directed. I feel like the advertising for this movie set it up to be something else. The trailers did not seem scary at all but i was interested sheerly because of james wan. The opening scene itself should tell you what kind of movie it will be.
@@madlad495 I completely agree, campiness is the main ingredient. The opening FRAME of the movie is a gothic cathedral-like hospital. On a cliff, in the fog, under the moon light. I love filmento, but I believe he came into the movie misreading its tone and then tried putting it in a box which is impossible. Frankly I dont even know how would you market what Malignant is?
You are correct in that this movie wasn’t trying to be an actually scary horror movie. That said, I still disliked this film because I think it’s terrible. But! To each their own.
Im so amazed about how the movie has so many bad reviews wth i completely loved it, it was insane, scary on its own way, beautiful image, it was just fun and had me on the chair wondering what was going to happen
When it came out I saw a lot of people praising it for its style and how old school horror is back. So yeah it may be stupid, but the best horror movies are
@@Gordy3000 views mon. This is all to garner views. That's how most of his videos are. Nothing's wrong with that. I just hope it doesn't encourage others to pointlessly nitpick a movie that wasn't trying to be scary.
Since Malignant was written to be stupid and because it was such a different approach to the genre that I think it automatically makes it a better horror movie than La Llorona
I think James Wan just called it horror for studio. He never intented to film one. all bad parts were done on purpose: bombastic music, stupid dialogue, clichéd parts in house. I liked it. Ending in police station is top level action ⚡ I was enjoying it for what it is: dumb b-movie, with interesting villain and schlock story.
@@Billy193 that's why I was lucky. I didn't see trailer or even art. Just liked title of movie and James Wan got reputation. This suprise worked good for me )
Honestly, I enjoyed watching a twin possessed assassins' creed parkour character come back and gets his revenge on everyone and mass genocides the police station with everyone in it, while having blacksmith lv 99 and crafting lv 99 with the golden knife trophy.
I fucking *LOVE* this movie, in the first 5 minutes I immediately understood what they were going for, I am now a massive James Wan fan and I have so much more respect for him
I was one of those who went into the theatre with the expectation of it being a new Conjuring or Insidious. But as it progressed it quickly became apparent that that version of horror was never the intent at all from Wan in this film. And I started to see where it was actually going. That it was meant to just be a movie to just have a blast watching. It all made sense. It is basically an Argento flick crossed with Wans particular brand of fisheyed, very stylized, action sequences. I've seen him do great horror, so I am very sure he knew what he was doing when going for that approach and I was very satisfied at the end (where the film just ends with happy reconciliation, ignoring totally that to everyone investigating the police massacre she has to be either locked up in the Fort Knox of mental Asylums or just get the chair of sparky). I had a blast watching it and that was probably the intent.
I agree. This movie is great because it had a vision and executed it really well. If personal expectations don't allow you to see that, it's not a flaw of the film
@@spinosaurusstriker I see your point in general. But... did he really present a cake as a burrito? In the world of movies, "horror" is a very vague descriptor. There are a number of things a Burrito needs to fulfill to be a burrito and you can very much fault a cake sold as a burrito for not living up to the standards of a burrito. But Suspiria, Malignant, Scary Movie, The Omen, Candyman, The Exorcist, Gremlins... they all qualify as horror even though their intent for the reception may vary wildly between subgenres and specimens. If I went into a James Wan horror flick and got Spy Kids or a compilation special of Golden Girls, ok, I'd probably be more upset. But as it is. He gave us horror, not the kind I thought, but still one I enjoyed. I can't argue about taste. Because neither of ours are better objectively. If someone don't like a film, that's up to them. All I am questioning a bit is the reasoning in the arguments put forth.
Quando a qualidade dos novos filmes despencar filmes antigos considerado medianos são chamados de subestimados gema escondida ou qualquer coisa do tipo
@@aperson4640 everyone I know who watched this movie loved it and the feed back on social media has been so positive so their will always be the minority in anything but I wouldn’t be surprised if this did end up a cult classic
I’ll be honest I like this movie a lot with it’s campy tone, cheesy acting, being different from any recent horror movies I’ve seen in recent time, I do have some problems with it, but doesn’t bother me too much. I like the homages to those old horror movies.
Call me crazy but I think this movie is intentionally made to be hilarious. I think it's a sort of a mockery of modern horror movies. The over dramatic soundtrack, porn level acting and cartoony dialogues at some point are entertaining as it is horrible. I can see me re watching this movie from time to time and having a blast.
All valid points, but I still enjoyed the movie despite its blatant flaws. I particularly liked how, if you payed attention to the monster's movements, you could see its a person movie backwards (back facing front), throughout the entire movie. It isn't just some detail that appears once the big reveal of its nature happens. The 3rd act fight scene was also awesome.
I liked parts of the movie but I laughed my ass off when the man detective searched the inside of the horse carriage after it moved. It's not a car. You can't drive a carriage without the horse
That detective was funny as hell. How he chase a man that dropped 4 stories off a fire escape. And chase him into the darkest and smallest tunnel in all Seattle. My friends and I died laughing. Also the sister parking next to the cliff caused me so much anxiety lol
Which was SO James Wan being James Wan. Like, he says he wanted to make a giallo film but he can't help but imbue his films with his signature touches - which have no place here.
@@Gordy3000 but didn't he say at the beginning that he was going to give attention to pitfalls that you don't want to see in a horror movie but recognized it was purposely campy right? correct me if I'm wrong right please
Me and my good friend got together specifically to drink and watch a scary movie to laugh at. And boy were our sides hurting that night. The matrix style fight scene, topped off with a thrown chair knocking out the 2 main cops, almost killed me 😂
I went into this movie expecting to laugh my ass off… I had seen the final scene online and it compelled me to watch it. Very entertaining, personally one of my favorites from Mr. Wan. It’s different, it’s weird and stupid… I love it.
I loved this movie. It's clearly not taking itself too seriously and I love how campy and over the top it is. Sure it's not scary, but I rarely expect horror movies these days to actually scare me. To me, the most important thing in any movie is entertainment value, and this film has plenty. I consider this a cult classic.
@@Jones183 Frankly of a movie only has esoteric and sentimental value then to a society as whole it is completely and utterly valueless. Like that’s like saying “well they’re my family so I forgive them” like ok, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us will lol. If it’s bad it’s bad.
Campiness aside, I think the plot would've been more engaging if Gabriel's motive was to fully take over Madison's body, and the way to do that was to morally corrupt her through making her kill all the people that tried to help her in the past, the final one being her mom.
That's essentially what he did with her body in the beginning when she was a child but it makes sense that with everything that was done to him after that, he would want revenge on the people responsible, including his mom. So the revenge angle still works and is engaging, I feel......it's nice to have a horror movie character with a motive for once
That's literally the plot of the film. Some things don't have to be literally said by the characters for us to understand what they're trying to accomplish.
Wish it was ridiculous for longer. It only fully embraced it the last 10-15 minutes. Honestly, they should've gone full Evil Dead since the first time Gabriel spoke. The dude was not at all terrifying. He felt more like an edgy teen and him going berserk sooner would have reduced the cringe.
Everyone: OMG THIS FILM IS THE BEST THING EVER! WAN IS A GENIUS! Filmento: I've used this title like five times already, but this is the WORST horror film of all time!
There is ALWAYS a worse horror movie. When you think you've seen the worst, something worse pops up. There is no end, if the worst horror movie had already been made. A worse one will be made.
To be fair, I don't think Filmento thinks it's a badly made movie. He specifically mentions that it's a homage to campy, bad 80's horror movies, which would likely mean a lot of the writing and the scenery is purposefully made this way
@@nicolaszan1845 Oh I didn't even say I disagreed. In fact I think he's spot on. As a writer myself, I'm sick and tired of the amount of plot writing going on today. For 90% of films released nowadays, you could probably make videos longer than the actual films themselves just addressing every problem and plothole. It's ridiculous. I can't enjoy a film, especially a horror film which rests on the stakes and tension being high, if I get distracted by the ''Fucking hell what a moron'' moments every sequence. Those moments where something or usually someone is just being an illogical dumbass because if they're not, the story wouldn't continue. If it was made this way intentionally, then fair play. But for that $40M budget and some otherwise genuinely creepy and unsettling designs and ideas, I very much doubt it is.
@@TheStraightestWhitest James Wan has proven before that he is a competent writer and director, and since I don't actually know of any controversy surrounding the production or writing of the movie (like, say, writing or story conflicts) I'll assume that the intention was, in fact, to make it that way intentionally. Mistakes like the ones in the movie are too amateur to come from a script he was supposedly happy with. I think it's more so a homage to the 80's movies for the nostalgia, while at the same time trying to play into the stereotypes of those movies. Movies that are known to be formulaic, over the top, "kooky", where the characters act in less than intelligent ways. Hell, even in some of the more famous cases, the killer is a pretty intimidating physical force, like Freddy, Jason, or Mike Myers, which is also seen here.
With the homages to italian films and the obvious schlock, I think its obviously suppose to be a horror comedy and I like it. Theres no way it wasn't made to be a horror comedy, and the fact they made the trailers so serious makes it even more fun.
@@dudeitsme5753 Ya but when Conjuring 4 comes out it would be named as Conjuring 4 not Malignant lol James wan literally said that do not go with an expectation of Conjuring 4
The best edit in this entire clip is the See You Again song played over the shot where she lost her baby as she fell. It should have been used in the original movie😂😂
I thought this movie was a brilliant homage to 70’s Italian horror…for good and bad. It hits so many of the same beats. Stilted dialogue, overly atmospheric locations, nonsensical plot…all it was missing was VHS scan lines.
I agreed 100%! My girl hated the film but I was so freaking happy to see this kind of movies again, reminds me back in the day when I used to watch a lot of weird shit like that on TV or at the forgotten section on Blockbuster, felt like a child and like a weird teenager again lol.
I will admit i despised the movie The Tenant if I remember its name correctly- pretty sure it was a giallo or done by Roman Polanski? Anyways, that movie was trying to be so artsy and I hated it, I personally thought there was better ways of representing the character going nutty besides boring drawn out sequences of shots that I quite frankly almost fell asleep to. Correct me if The Tenant is not considered giallo, but I think there are other good ones like Suspiria, again if thats specifically giallo i am not sure but I think its Italian?? Anyways, I can see where this movie had that but I feel like the tone shift is a bit abrupt and I guessed the plot pretty easily. I may have really hated it because I had covid when I watched it at home though. The movie seemed like it could be fun but I have my own limits if cheesy-ness, if it exceeds it like this movie did with the “campy” scenes, then it usually just makes me roll my eyes or just want to turn a movie off. I guess I need to rewatch it and see if covid made me not enjoy it at all. Hope my rant makes sense.
@@annagearhart2589 perfect sense, actually. I don’t know if suspiria counts, honestly. Mostly I think of things like Lizard in a Woman’s Skin or Tenebre…slasher type films. All of which are incredibly lush and completely nonsensical. While I personally love that kind of thing, I also understand that it certainly isn’t for everyone.
Reminded me of other just straight fun horror watches like "Cabin in the Woods, Drag Me to Hell, and Jeepers Creepers." Horror is versatile so just because it doesn't try to have the audience feel dread or frightened doesn't mean it fails as a horror flick. Sometimes Horror can just have an interesting premise with good pacing and memorable moments to keep it engaging.
yes, people now are just expecting a conjuring type horror movie every release but when a movie like this that changes the norm, they seen it as a bad. they forgot that those three movies you've mentioned also aren't serious movies but they weren't labeling it as awful but instead underrated.
@@joegaddy2030 no, there are genre elements that define and characterize certain works of fiction as "horror." Comedy can be incorporated into horror just has horror can be incorporated into comedy without it being a completley different genre. Malignant is part of the horror genre because it had mostly elements of horror- the elements of absurdity, comedy, and action do not negate it's horror classification.
Tbf at least those movies had some solid elements to it while this was meant to be garbage from day one. Aiming low and hitting your target isn’t a worthy accomplishment, it’s just an easy one.
Okay, guys. Let me make one thing abundantly clear: I don't the movie. At all. The fact that Wan still poured all of his artistic sensibilities into making this "prank of a movie" is a testament to his integrity as a director. I mean, that bird's eye shot of Madison running from the villain alone is worth the price of admission already. The movie truly was a lot of fun, with its unpredicability, that "Where is my mind?" remix and the potential set-up for a sequel (whereever they would actually take it if it ever got made).
Bro. That dolly shot running up the stairs, overhead view of the house room to room, tell me you haven't seen something that good of a scene since Rosebud. That was solid. The intro credits was much to pay attention to, if you skipped reading all the little notes and stuff.. then I can see the fade out. It was a basketcasey ish movie. The sandra bullock mask wearing Matrix shots.. lol. it was a fun watch.
I'd argue this isn't even a horror movie. Like the writers must of understood that showing your monster just having a badass fight scene against cops is not scary, it's something from a superhero movie or The Matrix. I feel this movie gives you the facade of a horror at the very start and quickly just becomes a mystery action thriller. It's not about being scared, it's about figuring out what is going on. Also, I'd say 85% of the time I don't give a fuck about ANY characters in ANY horror movie. This may be because the writing is shitty or it might be because I know these people will die. While I agree that having characters I want to live would make the tension rise, I think saying this movie is a bad horror because the characters suck makes it sound like the majority of good horror have likable or relatable characters which are few and far between.
This fault of everyone willing to help her really reminded me of Invisible man in how he made sure to isolate the main character from friends and family.
As someone who watches a lot of horror films (to the point where I’m sort of desensitized but not enough to make me not jump from my seat at scary moments), I cannot for the life of me see why this movie is hated as much as it is. I think it was pretty damn good and there were parts that made me laugh genuinely. And I don’t think anyone can say Gabriel wasn’t scary as hell. Can it be campy? Oh hell yes it can. But no one said campy can’t be good and it’s clear this movie wasn’t shying away from being campy.
It’s a mystery unless we ever truly learn James Wan’s intent. Was this a passion project and he thought he was making a cool, scary movie? Or was this a studio contracted deal he was obligated to make and he didn’t care? Or was he trying to go for campy horror a la Sam Raimi? We may never know. But one thing’s for sure. The production designer either had no clue how to match exteriors with interiors or each was done by a different person who never met the other. Exterior: it’s a cute two-story Victorian. Interior: it’s a flipping mansion! Exterior: it’s a police station. Interior: it’s a nightclub filled with furniture! (Edit: Okay, not having a Twitter account makes me feel tied up in an attic away from the world. I didn’t know Wan admitted he was essentially copying Basket Case but with a female lead. In that case, you go, dude!)
I know, there’s a massive fan in the attic that clearly goes right outside. Who even has that? It would let all the rain and snow in. And it definitely isn’t on the exterior. It’s like one of those movies where the characters go “but this room wasn’t on the blueprints!” even though it has windows you could easily see outdoors. 😆🙄🏡
It's very obvious that this was just what James Wan wanted to do. That's perhaps my favourite thing about this movie. That they actually let him make it.
Quarter into the movie, I realised that this wasn’t ur usual horror fair and something that was made to make people shake their head in disbelief. And I love it for that. It’s just good fun camp
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You missed the entire point. It's written and directed as a camp dumb over top horror homage to straight to video from the 80s. James Wan even admitted to this. Plus Stephen King called it brilliant! The trailers and marketing were very misleading. Which the studios did to through off the audience. Which can surprise the viewers but can annoy others who expected a horror
Malignant kinda reminds me of The Cabin in the Woods in a sense that, both of these movies aren't trying to be scary instead they're trying to be unique & different from your typical horror.
Watch the full video. Filmento pointed out that the movie purposefully failed in horror to replicate the campiness of old 80’s slashers, and used the movie to display what a bad horror movie would be like. So if you aren’t into that, it might not be a good watch, but if you have nostalgia for those old slasher films, it would be a good time.
La llorona IS the worst horror movie ever honestly...but not the one that came out a few years ago, there's an older one that is somehow WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse
@Mia - Sᴇx Cʜᴀɴɴᴇʟ 18+🅥 yeah me too but this film is no way an Anatomy of a Failure! Also I don’t like that some of his videos he has to compare other movies. Also what’s with your profile picture and your name? You should change it.
Filmento stated that Malignant was MEANT to be a campy, crappy horror movie. But he broke it down to provide us LESSONS in what not to do as an actual serious horror film. 2:38
Less than a million? I mean yeah, it's not a good movie, but have you seen the sets, the vfx work, the actors? For comparison The Blair Witch Project, which was made several percentages of inflation ago, was made with 3 paid actors, had literal bundles of sticks as props, no costume or make-up department and was filmed in the woods still cost $60.000. Of course a movie that uses well over a dozen actors, several sets with tons of props, uses practical and digital effects, has fights scenes, needs stunt people, hired someone to perform all the killer's movements backwards etc, etc can't be made for less than a million. Bad movie does not equal low budget, that's neither how movies work, nor how money works.
@@creativedesignation7880 the acting was shit, the scenes were one dimensional and seemed like someones own house. Besides the actual quality of the movie and the VFX on the demon in the back of her head, the movie felt like a college project
Can’t even lie I was genuinely entertained by it and accepted it for what it turned out to be yes I was expecting a straight up horror movie but I do appreciate it playin with my expectations
I left the theater feeling like two hours of my life where stole from me. I was hoping you'd make a video on it because I was dissecting the anatomy of this failure the whole way home.
I think you got caught up in the movie's advertising as a serious horror and ended up criticizing it through that optic alone. Except the movie is thriller, action, mistery, and gore with some horror elements here and there. And it's not meant to be taken seriously. Its faults are irrelevant to the movie's core goal - to entertain. It's supposed to be mindless fun and it achieves that extremely well. Watch it with this in mind and your whole perception of the movie will change. I see this becoming a cult classic.
@@nestormelendez9005 You've clearly never seen a giallo film. This film pays homage to that genre, as well as shock horror of the '80s and even Wan's own earlier films, like Dead Silence, which was also cheesy. It's called camp. It's obviously a competently made film, technically, and Wan has made only Blockbusters until this point, so he obviously knows what he's doing. This was a deliberately outrageous, over-the-top, ridiculous, cheesy movie.
11:58 Counter example: Although not a horror movie perse (and not quite as over the top), the original Terminator directed by James Cameron proves you can provide the perspective of both the monster/antagonist and the victim/protagonist and still evoke a sense of dread in the audience.
Its weird that Cabin in the Woods had the same marketing approach and twist in turns in the actual film yet that movie was praised. If you get past the marketing, its just a fun movie. No need for so much hate lol
It's like James Wan time travelled to the future and watched this video to know exactly what not to do in his movie. Malignant is perfect just the way it is btw. It might be one of his best films yet.
@Allie Maci the reason the killer was scaring her husband in the beginning is quite simple. He wanted to disorient him before going in for the kill. Remember he wasn't at full strength yet, he had only just be reawaken after decades, and she was recovering from the blow to her head, that's why she didn't even get a vision of the murder. By disorienting the husband, who was already shown to be much stronger than his wife, it became easier to land the killing blow.
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@@RoastedJustice That’s purely a matter of opinion, it doesn’t define him. Also in his Malignant review he talks about how disappointed he was by the first half, but after a certain point it changed his perspective on the film and he jumped back on board. You should check it out!
