Growing up I always thought that my mom and dad were a bit over protective. Not letting me go to sleep overs or summer camp for most of my childhood. Later on I found out that my dad was a victim sexual abuse. And they were doing their best to make sure that they didn't happen to my brother or I. I'm grateful and I consider myself lucky to have parents who looked out for me so genuinely.
I didn't get to do my first sleepover until I was 11. I found out that someone in my family had experienced SA as well. It was only after I'd taken some self-defense courses to counteract bullying and I'd gotten big and strong enough to possibly fight off a predator (or at least escape and call and tell my parents what was happening) that they let me go--and even then, it was with a family friend's mother supervising. They always had to meet the parents first to "feel them out" so to speak. My dad was a military policeman at one time and he was verrrry good at reading people.
I too, have not taken my little ones to summer camps, before and after school care and sleepovers. Sleepovers only in middle school and only if i knew the parents really well and who would be at the house at the time.
I hate to say this but what’s sad is you really can’t trust anyone these days. I know children should not be so sheltered that they can’t have fun but overnight stays are not necessary and not a good idea. I will never forget picking up a check for my husband at a guys house he had done work for and the house was in a really nice neighborhood, it was really clean and well decorated, his wife was beautiful for her age and everything seemed perfect. They had a couple young kids and forgot his occupation but they clearly had money. He seemed very nice. Found out much later he had molested plenty of kids that stayed at their house in the neighborhood.
Over protection can go too far. In example we have a generation still living at home with their parents. My kid takes jiu jitsu, goes to camps and has a great time. Just be vigilant.
U said it! Thank you. That guy deserves all of the hate in the world. I have zero regrets agreeing with u pertaining to another human being in this case. He is the worst
@@kgs2280 Since both Ted Bundy & Aileen Wuornos were on Florida's death row for 10 years before being executed, I think it's safe to say Floridians are going to have to deal with this POS for at least the next 5 years.
Dr. Grande's one joke on this heavy episode is exquisite. "The jury deliberated for 14min, some people were shocked by this. What took the jury so long? "
That seems to be the basis of most of these types of cases. Neglectful, lame par3nts that are unable to take care of their own kids and end up putting them in harm's way. They really think they're doing something by having so many kids they can't even afford
This is such a sad story. The man preyed on a vulnerable mother and did horrible things to her child. The moral of the story is if it is too good to be true, it usually is. There is always an ulterior motive. Nothing is ever free
The moral of the story is also that if something seems too good to be true as a bare minimum at least stay highly cautious and take no risks whilst you wait to see if it might be true all the same.
I’ve given people rides for free. I e given people money for free when they say they need it. People gave my dad and sis and I a ride once when we were like 2 and 4 walking in the snow. There are good people who do good things for free, but skepticism and caution are still wise. No matter how kind and charming a stranger is, I’m not going to let him take my kid out of my sight.
But that’s not true. He wasn’t taking them to never land, he was buying a cheeseburger. When I was a kid it wasn’t uncommon for old people at Walmart to buy things for strangers kids.
Years ago, I met a woman on a blind date through a personal ad. She was a divorced woman with a 6 month old baby. I got to her apartment on a Friday afternoon at 5 PM, when we were supposed to meet. She and her baby showed up 15 minutes late. She said that she was out of diapers and formula, so she had to buy some before I took her and her baby to dinner. She said it would be faster if she went alone. So she left me alone in her apartment with her baby while she went shopping. She came back half an hour later, and we then went to dinner. She knew my name and phone number but nothing else. Everything went fine, and I took good care of her baby before she returned so we could have dinner, but I couldn't help thinking that she was way too trusting.
It's hard to say that Stranger Danger is rare because many parents are tuned into this danger. so who knows how much it would occur if parents or caregivers were routinely lax about it.
@jacobhope6164 A 2002 study looked at the nearly 800,000 minors who had been reported missing over a one-year period. Many were runaways. About 25 percent were family abductions, about 7 percent were nonfamily abductions, and only 115 - about 1 in 10,000 of all children reported missing - were "'stereotypical kidnappings,' defined in one study as 'a nonfamily abduction perpetrated by a slight acquaintance or stranger in which a child is detained overnight, transported at least 50 miles, held for ransom or abducted with the intent to keep the child permanently, or killed'". Maybe the data is old, but doubtful much has changed. In this case she handed her kid over to the stranger!
@@amandamarshall1204OH YES , and be assured there are ppl who have these thoughts, in our lives.. most likely ppl we see every day.and don't know exactly which ones they are, SCARY
I watched the M.E. testimony too. IT gave me NIGHTMARES for weeks. It was by far THE MOST disturbing things i have ever heard happen to a human being. I wish i had never watched it.
@@SaulTeeBalls The worst is that this man "fears" the violence in prison ......that someone will try to kill him,...what kind of human is so blind to his own wrong doing like that?
Getting this guy to promise he wouldn't be arrested again after such an extensive criminal history is laughable. Or would be if it wasn't so tragic. If only he'd been kept in prison where he obviously belonged, Cherish would be alive today. (But I agree that the mother used incredibly bad judgement. How will she ever forgive herself?) Thanks for covering another jaw-dropping case, Dr. Grande.
Though she should never let her child go with a stranger, she probably didn’t realize anybody that bad existed. He should have been in prison permanently as per recommendation, before he preyed on the lady and her children.
She absolutely knew people like him existed. She'd been abused herself, in the past. And somewhat bizarrely (whilst calling in her CHILD BEING ABDUCTED), she decided to talk about her own rape (from a long time ago) to the operator. I don't doubt it happened. But there's a time and a place to bring it up. When trying to save your child's life, your own trauma may have to wait. So yeah- she knew sexual predators exist. She even admitted noticing his inappropriate behaviour towards Cherish But she kept allowing him to be alone with her, regardless- because she didn't want to 'offend' him and lose out on a gift card. It doesn't matter if she didn't know, that he would be a murderer, too. She knew Cherish was at realistic risk of sexual abuse. That is not acceptable to allow, in any form.
He is the absolute worst. If it’s possible to hate the guy even more than u already do, watch the videos of him in jail ranting about what he did on the phone. Then again, don’t. I am a parent and it was traumatic listening to him try to weasel his way out of this horrific situation (as if there was hope for him in the legal system after this particular crime).
@@DKShoneys-dc2dpthank you for pointing this out. It makes me sick when I see comments like this...I don't understand how people can believe this is an acceptable, civilized attitude towards criminal justice. Logic and ethical principles go right out the window when strong emotions are involved. I don't care what the individual did to land themselves in prison, torture is _never_ acceptable and it baffles me that this is an even slightly controversial point.
That poor child had to suffer a violent death because of her mother’s incredibly poor judgment as well as the court’s failure to keep this dangerous individual locked up. Thank you for bringing this case to light. Great analysis as usual. Rest in peace Cherish, you’re with the angels now
@@evoluna3056 There could of been an attempt at rehabilitation. Instead of a release as a cost saving measure. Emergency service child care could be provided for poor single mothers in need. Instead we live in a society that under amoral economic system that incentivizes the worst human characteristics.
@@WithoutRemorse12Absolutely. Childcare and other services could easily be provided to help poor mothers, especially ones with mental health problems, but, hey, under Capitalism, it’s just so much better to give our money to the richest people, right?
Saw this trial and the testimony of the Medical Examiner. The sexual assault was so horrific that the M.E. had a nervous breakdown on the stand explaining what he did to that poor baby.
I don't know how the medical examiner managed to keep his career after this case. I would be so mortified that I would probably quit my job. Just absolutely horrible.
It's easily one of the most infuriating cases ever to be documented. The fact that it's happening on camera is heartbreaking it's chilling. Watching him just walk off with her like that is 100% soul crushing.
I saw a doc of this and he bragging in prison what he did to her. We need a new death penalty system. If something like that is admitted, in jail on audio, all of his appeals should waved and he should be taken directly to the chamber.
I feel so bad that little Cherish lost her life because she had a mother who put her at risk just because she thought a stranger was going to give her a $150 shopping card. Her boyfriend gave her $100 + this was to pay $40 for her taxi to the airport in the morning to go to California to visit her father. That left her with $60 to buy Cherish some new clothes for the trip. She walked 20 minutes, with her 3 small kids, to the store + bought enough "household goods" that when Cherish asked her to buy a $7 dress Reine, her mom, said she didn't have enough money. Just for the thought of this $150 coupon she + the kids got in his van, she allowed Don to take Cherish into the changing room, + was so distracted picking out shoes for herself that she let Cherish wander off with him supposedly to McDonalds. She had a full cart waiting at the check out, when the store closed, waiting for Don + the "all important coupon". If she had of gone to the store + bought things for Cherish the little girl would have had her dress she wanted + more, been home early, had a good sleep, + got on the plane to take her to visit her dad in California. It was her mother's greed for herself that ended up leading to little Cherish's murder. She bought everything but nothing for Cherish + this money coupon was so important to her that she let this old man be in the presence of her daughters, take Cherish to the changing room with him twice, + finally let her walk off with him. The message that Raine sent to Cherish, by allowing him to be close to her, was that he could be trusted - that's why she followed him out of the store + was tragically murdered. I believe that Reine should have been charged with putting her young daughter's life in danger + ultimately ending her life.
I remember one time when I was 13 we had a repair man in the house. My dad was going to run 5 minutes up the road to pick up my mom and he would be back in literally 10 minutes. I don't know why but I just started crying and begging him not to leave me alone with that man in the house. Thankfully he didn't. Some parents have terrible judgement.
You've been blessed with good intuition and judgment, as well as self-advocacy. Please try to teach others around you, especially children. I'm glad you came out safely!
Not for all the money in the world and not for all the tea in China. There were some relatives my parents didn't even let us visit unsupervised, let alone a stranger.
This is why I believe in the death sentence. There's no good reason to keep someone like him alive in cases where guilt is clear and indisputable and there's no chance of wrongful conviction.
That’s the thing though, as Dr. Todd stated it can take 10+ years or more to exhaust all of their appeals even if they’re guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Not to mention it’s a lot more expensive to house people on death row because of the appeals and higher costs of defense
To the procecution, every death penalty case is clear and indisputable. No one sentences a person to death if they are not certain. Problem is, no matter how certain you are, some times you are just completely wrong. Some times, it isn't even your fault. There are plenty of convicted murders that were innocent and were just surrounded by circunstancial evidence and a bunch of coincidences that no reasonable person would doubt. And yet, they were wrong.
if i was wrongfully committed, i wouldnt want to rot in jail. I like how leftist thinks its more humane not to kill someone in case they are innocent @@RYMAN1321 a lot of people are aware of the high cost, just like putting people in prison and building prisons, it cost money. What people who oppose death penalty dont understand is, we're ok with that cost if it means people die for certain crimes.
I'm surprised the mother wasn't charged with criminal negligence. I can sympathize with her to a degree with her financial situation at the time. But you gotta have some common sense in a situation like this.
@@robyngatomon1991No parent with half a normal functioning brain would would allow a total stranger to walk off with her children Something clearly isn’t right with her, you can see why she lost custody of her other children
That poor sweetheart. With the adults around her, including two bickering parents and a sick predator, this baby didn't have a chance. The best we can hope for is that this dangerous man never gets out of prison.
It's very obvious that the mother was unwell and in a vulnerable state, very sad that she still had custody of her children while she was in that state.
@TerryCloth Yes, it seems as if she has developmental delays. It's as if she couldn't grasp the severity of the situation, nor why people didn't want to hire her because if she can put her child in danger she can do the same for a workplace. Not sure she was able to grasp that. The fact that people on the internet could see that, but a judge couldn't yet awarded her custody over the father, jsut wow!
This was terrible, an absolute horror. I was so angry with her mother for not protecting her and I was relieved when I learned she lost custody of all her children. The courts were wrong for ever letting this guy out of prison and an innocent child paid the price.
not just legal system, the root cause this happened is the family court. The father wanted custody of the children and he seems normal and not broke, but because she is a woman of course she got custody of the kid by default.
Why he was not civilly committed years before is beyond me! Why can some people who have NEVER hurt others be imprisoned for years, while this guy was repeatedly released despite multiple warnings from mental health experts?? He could never be "fixed", but he could have been placed in a facility where he could be safe from others, and society could be safe from him. We need Dr Grande in charge!❤
People in survival mode ain't self aware, they make terrible decisions. They will either over react or not act when they should. They honestly don't know how to behave.
@@cowoverthemooShe wasn't in survival mode. She even said she got the creeps from him and caught him trying to go in the change room with her daughter before she let her go off with him to get food.
@NickyBlue99 she is in survival mode, or she wouldn't have been an addicted or desperate for a bit of cash for some stupid clothes.. she showed signs of self-doubt and then convinced herself she was being stupid. Clear signs of confusion. I'm not saying she isn't responsible, but her actions cost her her child's life. She will now continue to make even more mistakes cause, regardless of her stupidity, her intentions were to get clothes, and predators are amazing at how good they are. If a psychopath sets they eyes on you, good luck. Intelligent people have handed over their entire savings to a psychopath. If they can get a professional person to hand over all their belongings, even their houses.. they can make a stupid woman think she is crazy to even think such shit about them. They are good people. If they can make Professionals do what they want, that lady has no chance.
@gRinchY-op5vr excuse me.. I am describing her state. Not allowing my feelings to get in the way. Good or bad. It is what it is. And she won't be the last stupid person to be fooled. It's not unusual. Unfortunately.
Keep doing the good work of profiling these crimes and I appreciate your professional manner. We live in a truly fallen world. RIP dear child. Your soul is in heaven.
We aren’t fully in control.. if we were we wouldn’t have problems would we.. we would be normal like you. Don’t be ignorant about things u don’t understand. it’s one thing to know right from wrong. It’s another to have a mental illness. You tell Yourself it’s wrong and your brain tells u otherwise. Not excusing his actions. But he was obviously not all there from the start. We should blame the government for constantly letting him out when they knew he was not able to live with the rest of society. If we just blame him we miss the real problem
@@lonemaus562 Blame the Gov't? Come on. You mean the judge or lawyer? We are all responsible for ourselves. Every guilty person claims innocence. I'm not ignorant, just intelligent.
@@zenawarrior7442 The thing about it is these people "mentally ill" almost always have an external locus of control. The person above you right here saying that nothing is in their control & if it was they might be able to get better... If someone doesnt believe that they can control themselves & their own thoughts & actions, they never will get better. They will always fall back on their diagnosis as a safety blanket to protect themselves from blame & responsibility. I was best friends with a girl who had borderline & once she was diagnosed that was her excuse for every awful thing she did to people. "Oh whoa is me, I have borderline & I cant control my actions". I dumped her like a ton of bricks because that is what she was. I dont waste my time befriending mentally ill people anymore. They dont want to get better or they would figure it out. My dad has bipolar II & that is a long story in iteself. Bipolar has a high rate of being genetic. I have never been diagnosed with it because I was manic once & I realized that mania is literally just a state of mind. If you dont allow yourself to get into that state of mind, you wont go manic. Its been 20 years since then & I am doing just fine. I dont need people in my life who are dragging themselves down & in doing so going to drag me down with them. Not much sympathy from me.
We all should know by now that there are monsters like Donald lurking around neighborhood in society. If this mother was looking out for her children's best interests, she would have simply smiled and said..."No, Thank You". Unfortunately this innocent child did not have a mother who possessed protective instincts.
Omg, these lawyers and judges should all be held accountable for 40 years of all these victims he robbed people. Why would judges allow this animal out of mental hospital ever..??
This is one of the first videos I ever watched from Dr Grande, and also one of the saddest. I only feel sad for the little.girl, but she is among the angels now, I'm sure. God bless her. ❤
I'll just never understand how a man like him could be set free knowing his history, and then poor little Cherish paid the ultimate price! So terribly tragic! Thank you again for all your hard work and exceptional content, Dr. Grande!!
Ive watched a lot of your videos and this one is probably one of the saddest. This little girl was failed to be protected and brutalized in such a horrific way. The system created this crime by not keeping him locked away. Absolutely terrible. This was so preventable.
This is terrifying. I do not have any kids, but a man, claiming to have knowledge on car mechanics approached me during Covid19 and asked me if I am a single mom that needs rides during these rough times. My car obviously needed some repairs, but it was drive-able. I firmly told him, no I do not need rides, and no, I do not have any kids.
This is the story that stopped true crime for me for a while. I deleted all my facebook groups I was traumatized about this little girl, still am. Im not going to watch it but Im glad more our aware of this poor little girls story. Disgusting and heatbreaking.
Hard to believe such human beings exist that do such unthinkable things to others. Loved your point about no rain in Australia. There is never a drought of humor on your channel Dr. Grande!
Yall I know when you're a decent person you tend to look for the good in ppl or try to take them at their word. Please don't. Unfortunately the risk is to high nowadays. Someone that is genuine is not going to be offended by your refusal to accept whatever they're offering so stop worrying that you'll offend them by rejecting their "kindness". IF Donald were being genuine about just wanting Cherish to have the dress that she wanted then he would have paid for his items at the register and told the cashier that he wanted to pay for the dress the little girl was looking at and to please inform the mother during checkout that the dress has been paid for so her daughter can go and get it and put it in a bag to take home. He should have done this with no word to the mother and just said to tell the mother it's from someone that just felt compelled to help out. It's a win for everyone. If you have a gut feeling DONT ignore it. Women have this built in intuition for a reason! And never ever turn your back when your with your child. It only takes one second because that's what the predator is watching and waiting for. Stay safe yall!!!
I have heard a lot of true crime, but Cherish's case has stuck with me always and forever. I painted a table in my garden periwinkle in her memory. 💔 poor sweet girl.
Even though Donald was a despicable man, Rain’s judgement was extremely poor. I think this was an unfortunate meeting of two people who were dangerous in their own ways, and subsequently a young life was taken because of it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Dr. Grande.❤
Agreed she was dangerous in her own way. Women who are not discerning can be dangerous to their children. It’s the cause of many cases of sexual abuse. In this case, not only was she sexually assaulted, she was brutally murdered
@@stormcorrosion176It doesn’t take away from the fact that she was grossly irresponsible and borderline negligent. It makes perfect sense why her two other children were removed from her custody afterwards
He also took Cherish into the change room not once but twice before abducting her. She was completely let down by her so-called Mother. I hope her sisters are happy in Australia ❤
There are some people who just seem from the start they need to be placed in a lock facility. It is so hard to determine who should and shouldn’t be. Thank yo Dr. Grande for this thoughtful look at this sad case.
I'm an American and wish I lived in Australia. No crime. They don't have to worry about their kids getting snatched by some sick f*ck. Only in America does this shit happen.
Thank you for analyzing this case. I’m from Jacksonville FL and the Walmart they were at is one of the worst in the city. Very dangerous with people shooting up drugs and trying to rob people in front of the store. My mom probably wouldn’t let me leave her side and I’m a man in my thirties. It is located near 295 ( the interstate around town), a bus stop, and about 10 min from a community college campus. Also, about 10 min from the airport. It’s a very transient and sketchy area. Sadly, I’ve ate at that McDonald’s many times and now it’s so sad. This is not the place your average parent would let their child go free. It’s all so sad.
Wow. He looks like a really rough 56. (1:16) I know he is on D R but I would rather see him put in with the general population. He would be treated like the lowliest slimeball that he is. He doesn't deserve any special protection or privileges. Child molesters/killers don't do well. He planned and manipulated his way into this, knowing that he would assault and kill the little girl as soon as he got her into his van. He wouldn't fit the legal definition of insane, he is just evil.
i moved to jacksonville last year and live close to the lem turner walmart. i also think about this case and feel so sad about this case. I’m so sorry Cherish!
How could a mother be so stupid as to believe this guy and then put her children in a position where they could be victimized by this man? The mother should face some sort of punishment too
The mother did something stupid,idiotic, moronic. But she's not just an idiot. She had mental problems herself. People who impulsively want to punish people are often simple and can't understand nuance.
Well, I think technically in this situation it was the mother that needed to be taught stranger danger. Cherish had been given the okay from her mother, no kid that young would have questioned that.
@@caddieohm7059 Turbulence is literally chaotic water movements; whereas tumultuous refer to chaotic people concentration. It is correct to use the first, and not the second word, because in a relationship you don’t have lots of people, right? It is very common to make that mistake but once you understand the meaning, you’ll never use the tumultuous word like that.
There’s so much appalling stuff here to comment on but I’m really stuck on the whole part about him being released if he promised to never get arrested again. Like, yeah, everyone who came in contact with him deemed him a menace and professionals declared he was and would likely remain a threat to children, but hey, we’re sure he’s not so morally bankrupt that he would violate his pinky promise to never do anything bad again, right?
I’m trying to figure out how a Mother lets her 8 year old go with a stranger. He was an adult, he didn’t need that baby to go with him to get food! This is what happens when you don’t use common sense when you think you’re getting a freebie. She practically gave little Cherish to a sex offender for cheap stuff at Dollar Store and hamburgers. Don’t say I’m victim blaming because that mother deserves blame, too. All she had to say was “no thank you” and keep her kids close to her!
I don’t think you’re victim blaming. Men who show interest in being alone with your children early on should be suspected. I wouldn’t let Martin Luther King take my daughter somewhere.
@@somethingelse4424 The mother deserves any criticism that comes to her. She let her 5 year old daughter go off with a grown man that she just met. If she had put her daughter's safety first, Cherish would still be here. She failed her daughter and it resulted in her being in the presence of evil.
@@somethingelse4424 Do you honestly think after reading my first comment that I would let my child go off with a stranger? That's not a "mistake" I would ever make so no need for me to imagine. If she had been actually vigilant in protecting her child and this happened no one would be on her neck. However, that's not the case here. She priotized money over her kid. She even said she was skeptical of the man but hoped he was telling the truth about the $150 gift card. Nothing you can say would make me any less judgmental of this woman.
@@kecola Exactly. She's not a victim, she's a selfish imbacile. The person defending her is Clueless. She let him go into the dressing room with her daughter TWICE and also tried sending her 5 yr old with him to get burgers too but luckily she hid from him to avoid going. Her own family isn't surprised by what happened in her care because of her continual neglect and blames her for what happened. She also lost custody of her other children to her sister and Aunt because of her lack of parenting.
I'm thankful Rain, Rayne, Reign however the hell you spell it, lost her other kids. They will likely have a better chance with their aunt. Plenty of moms have been hit with hardship and didn't hand their kid off to a man that follows them into a dressing room OR walks off with them and also admits he gave her the creeps. Her vulnerability and stupidity cost her, her daughters life and she should have also recieved jail time for her negligence. The world is full of men who prey off womens vulnerability and to know her daughter paid for ignorance will never be okay with me. All the f*cking red flags, but hey, let's jump in the van.
Crazy tht he didn't just kill them all when he had all of them in the van... he must have gathered all the patience in his entire life not to kill them all right then.
Doc can you please cover the case of the 2 recent college graduates who were pushed off the cliff in Germany? Also thank you for covering this case I'll never understand how that mother was so naive.
This case seems to be an absolute portrait of what is wrong with our criminal justice system. Dozens of people failed that little girl and society, such a shame.
One of the sickest things in this absolutely sickening series of events, is that this POS was allowed out. Any kind of 'good behaviour' when it comes to child 7a9ists/killers is a nonsense. They should never leave prison unless they are dead. They never change. Do Not let them out of prison.
What a Despicable man! Poor Cherish! She was so beautiful. I don't know how Rain could be so incredibly naive and foolish! I do feel sorry for Rain though because she must be living a never-ending nightmare!
I remember this tragedy and I always felt the mother should've been charged as well. She basically "sold" her daughter to this monster because he paid for her items. I'm glad her other children are out of her care. Rest in peace precious angel 🕊 🤍 and I hope that demon is soon dispatched back to Hell from which it came. Thanks for the video Dr. Grande.
One of the darker 'caps Dr Todd has covered. The fact that Cherish was comfortable enough to separate herself from Rayne (Rain?) was proof enough Donald was extremely convincing or Cherish was at greater average comfortable around anyone else than Rain because her mother was not much for company or care. It's sickening all around.
Perfect example of how our justice system fails the general public. This man should have been in prison for life long before this terrible crime to a poor child.
