"Because you'll definitely be their first target" I really appreciate that the management tells them that, there is always guaranteed to be haters, no matter what, instead of shielding them against it, they prepare them, i really like that
@@Ranryu692if so.. first thing they would do is not hiring her.. but they did hired her so it's prolly their way to encourage her.. why would they hired talents that could make their image bad
@@coffeelatte8616Because everyone makes mistakes, especially at a new job. With Nerissa being particularly yabe, it is not unreasonable to expect that she would be the first to do something that would cause a manager to say "hey, don't do that"
It was a good call to give her permission, personally. Raden was the most standout member among ReGLOSS for me with how wildly different her aura was compared to her genmates.
Better be upfront about it than trying to hide it and got found out. Good call. This also helps her filter out audiences that have a problem with it so they can just choose not to watch her streams
I know it's been a while since her design was revealed, but I cant get over how beautiful her hair looks. I love the colors and the style! I'd love hair like that someday!
Pair it with her dress, the color scheme is so great! It has this earthy tone to it that's both captivating and calming. This is why it also worked really well with Vesper's redesign!
I agree. I think Raden won the ReGloss design lottery. Though oddly enough, I think Banchou's comparatively plain and simple model and hair style actually stands out more in comparison. Banchou's color palette is also pretty unusual and refreshing.
More great examples of why COVER is such a good company compared to some other agencies. They identified her strengths and weaknesses, and set her up for success while giving her a fair amount of creative liberty.
Even as a virtual personality, it's important to be yourself. This is why I like JFT; she's aware of her (personally stated) shortcomings but isn't intending to let them get her down or impact what she does. It'll be interesting to see how she develops over the next year; I think she's doing fine as it is.
I mean, The more unique a person is the more interesting they become. Thats why i already like her and her weirdness cuz ppl like raden are sure to have tons of interesting stories and experiences and im all in to listening to em
Raden: Can I say I smoke? Management: yes Raden: But isn't it inappropriate? Management: *Look at the whole hololive member list* Spider eating ✔️ Excessive Alcoholism ✔️ Sexual Harassment ✔️ War Criminals ✔️ Psychopaths ✔️ I think we can handle a smoker.
When they started the thing about 1st impression of regloss sheet, I wrote that she will be the quirky one lol. The weirdo of the group. But I like her as a streamer and her personality is interesting, it seems like having a friend like her would be fun.
Hololive being the most incredible corpo as always. It's really cool to see how much they care about teir talents and wants they to feel welcomed and free
I actually love this. It proves one thing: If you know things might get a little risky at times, they'll try to match you up with a diligent yet caring manager that helps you reel things in if needed, while giving you, for the most part, the freedom to cast.
Vast majority of heavy smokers are self aware of how people perceive them, it should be obvious that Raden wouldn't publicize her habits without getting it clear with hololive management
CHAD management just letting her be herself, even when she suggested hiding it. I'm glad Cover is, more and more, decimating the preconceptions of what defines an "idol" and who can become one. I'm glad the team and Raden herself are prepared for the backlash she'll receive, I hope she will be able to endure it and flourish in Hololive Thanks for the subs!
It's really great to hear that Hololive is being more accepting of all sorts of personalities to accept a streamer while realizing they might face backlash from some parts of the fanbase. During the pre-debut reveal, Raden was the ReGLOSS member I was least interested in based on design. But the streamer personality always wins out, and she's now my Dev_Is oshi
tbh they already did it just the always accepted the most introverted girl that never talk to a man to agency that they seems pale compare to wild niji
Very good call from the staffs. These things are better declared than being found out. True, its not the best thing to be, still its far better than hiding it.
I haven’t been following hololive too much lately and barely noticed the new generation however I saw a few clips of this character and I’ve taken an interest in her, she’s very straightforward and comedic. And I love the way she talks and looks lol
I'm not a fan of smoking because I've lost several family members to lung cancer caused by it. So i worry for their health. That being said I think it was definitely the right choice for them to let her be open about it. I hope she just takes care of her body too lol. I'm more fascinated by her love of fine art. I love the arts and seeing her talk so passionately about it is infectious. I got so excited when I saw her retweeting museum exhibits.
I can understand that very well, there's smoker from Vtuber Nijisanji or independent vtubers as well. so there's no need to be worry anything and we'll keep support you for now, Raden-chan!
I think cover is trying to experiment and test the fans limits with this one lol and I'm all for it. I'm more surprise that it's the overseas bros that seem to have more problems with her than the jp bros. With covers track record as the best among all other agencies I have no problem as long as the talents are properly vetted, trained and their needs taken care of. It's not a good look to any agency when graduations or huge dramas happen frequently.
I think that's the focus of holodev_is... Upon watching clips an observing them, I can say that they are totally new to this vtuber industry (or even entertainment industry as a whole)...
@@butternecrofly7193 oh if you saw some of the earlier clips about her, there was alot of discourse in the comments section about her habit. I'd say about half of the comments were against her smoking habits while the other half were fine with it
the way it should be. Real and shared. The things that make a vtuber a person outside the company add to the depth of the character in a way that character writing cannot. Within in reason, I think talents should be allowed to share personal traits and such from day one. Hell, as things stand, XD most of the Holofans know who is factually well endowed, who is factually shortest (to a degree), etc etc etc, just from talents talking about one another in very limited capacity on streams. It would be important to keep stuff out of that loop though but I think it would be fine as long as some standards are put in place to limit what CAN be shared. Speaking from having been a smoker, (been nicotine free for about 3 years now) I would have found some common ground with Raden in the fact that she smokes irl and likely watched her more.
It was a good idea to just let her be herself and not try to hide her behaviors because given the size of Hololive's fan base you just KNOW at some point it would've slipped out somewhere and then be clipped and then people might hold it against her as opposed to just owning it right from day one. There's also a reason why Raden is the most popular member of REGLOSS and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that she's just so different from not only the other REGLOSS girls but also pretty much every talent in Hololive. Aside from the smoking and gambling I think Vtuber that immediately sprung to my mind when I saw her personality would have to be Salome-san from Nijisanji.
Honestly, props to management and maybe the company by extension for allowing us to love Raden as she is, rather than fabricate an image. Also props for warning her about potential backlash.
She'll have to quit at some point if she's serious about the idol/singing part of her gen. Just like for Okayu&others who had to get in shape to be able to do their job as an idol
I'm so glad they let her be herself. She stood out straight away & was captivating. Also, good to know they were preparing her for any potential backlash since she doesn't fit "the mold".
Being a heavy smoker isn't a great thing, no one should become one, but if you are, then take responsibility. Which it seems she could be, at least admitting it is the first step.
I think every smoker knows the bad cause of smoking. I don't know why western people despised smoking so much yet they see drinking as normal thing even though both are bad, and being drunk also causing problem for people around.
@@maruboronnot every western person drinks??? Also even smoking a little is disgusting for the people around you but drinking a little doesn't harm anyone else. Don't act like western people are the only ones drinking when Asian countries are some of the heaviest drinkers around
@@nazunaaaaaa work on your reading comprehension. they never said anything about westerners' drinking habits. all they said is that they tend to make a huge stink about smoking but rarely bat an eye when it comes to drinking. it isn't exactly wrong when you look further into the comments on raden clips.
@@kriosfearsmoker detected. I don't smoke or drink but I'd rather be around a drinker than a smoker because smoking is damn disgusting. Of course people are going to hate smoking more when it makes the air dirty and causes cancer.
@@nazunaaaaaa i still don't get where all these assumptions of yours come from when i never even defended smoking. all i did was clarify what another guy said. seriously, work on your reading comprehension.
Raden is such a breath of fresh air... ironically enough, LOL! These days people are SUPER moralistic, which seems strange, but it's true. Everybody is so careful not to show the "wrong" kinds of vices. Oh, you're a shut-in? Oh, you look at da booba? Oh, you eat terrible food and/or are overweight? That's fine, even endearing. You smoke? HORRORS. It's like there are certain vices that are the scapegoats for all of the OTHER vices. We are socially allowed to browbeat people with THOSE vices, but not any other vices. So it's like Raden mostly shrugs off those extremely common social stigmas, good on her. Sure, I would love to see her overcome these vices -- just as I would be glad to hear about anybody overcomes the other vices I mentioned -- but embracing and accepting and especially enjoying people how they are right now feels really good.
I'd day a huge proponent to it is because she's apart of hololive and they're still the "idol" company. It's one thing to express concern over her health, but like usual, people hyperfocus on it like possessive lovers who want to control every aspect of someone else's life. Radens definitely had some close calls, but now that she's gainfully employed, I think she'll try to get her act together at least a bit.
People "browbeat" others over every vice, not just chemical addictions. Maybe one sticks out more to you than others, but it's pretty evenly spread aside from alcohol, which requires passing some imaginary line into alcoholism before that gets it too.
There are several arguments over how much each individual can control their eating habits, due to genetics or upbringing, but smoking is something you are not predisposed to doing; meaning while many have moved away from brow beating over weight people and rather brow beating the companies pushing it, the smoking companies were literally brow beat into putting pictures of cancerous tumors, dead babies and all manner of other consequences onto the packaging they sell... so then it transfers to the individual, if you smoke you are not only knowingly declining your own health but potentially those around you as it's a gaseous form of cancerous substance Which is why people are brow beat over it, it's something that you not only don't need to do, it's either your decision or mistaken encounter with it that causes the addiction despite all the measures that people have painstakingly put into place to try to prevent people from starting Personally I grew up with both parents smoking, thankfully not inside the house or directly around us, and one of the two is already dead from throat cancer at 58, while the other has early onset of COPD (essentially where your lung capacity gets so bad you can no longer breath without assistance) and they are still smoking, even more heavily than they had been before the diagnosis... It's not a moral issue, it's just people fucking tired of watching people die for no reason as well as watching them suffer hack and cough before they go out for their next smoke
Manager be like, might as well try something new with this genre. Let’s roll with this heavy smoker, alcoholic and gamble addict at the same time idea and see where she takes us.
It's honestly better to announce it at the beginning rather than fans finding out later and making it seem like some sort of bigger scandal or whatever
This is proof of how Cover has grown. Cannot imagine 2020 or even 2021 Cover would let her. All of those dramas, backlashes, and fucks up, Cover truly learnt from it and now they're the bonafide biggest Vtuber corpo in the world and by a wide wide margin.
This is 100% not surprising at all. Being open and public about being a heavy smoker is INSANELY important. For example, off-collabs -- can you imagine the speculation that would ensue in the fanbase if the real reason for not meeting up with someone (avoiding second-hand smoke, for asthma or allergy reasons, etc.) had to be kept secret?
I'm happy that Cover allowed her to be herself without having to hide her habit. I mean imagine having the audience found out much later on by accident or something, the backlash would be pretty severe... So being opened and frank from the get go so that she can be accepted in the long run is much better. Still, in my honest opinion regards her smoking habit, I would love for her to quit, if only for her own health and especially her ability to sing, but I'm definitely not going to hound and berate her about it.
im actually surprised that out of all the talent shes the only one that smokes, publically at least because you know jp and id as country have alot of smokers
i feel like people who both sing and use their voices for long periods of time as part of their jobs are less likely to be smokers just out of practicality, right?
Smoking in Asia is massive, and Japan especially even among the women. As far as I know Irys said and used to smoke but doesn’t anymore. Considering the number of openly weight conscious girls in Hololive, plus the average age of them all to be in the late 20s early 30s, I expect no less than half of them to be smokers.
It's probably mentally/emotionally beneficial in the long term for a Vtuber to be open with their real selves to some degree. Playing too much and too deep into a character would be tiring over time I can imagine.
Raden is kind of based, in one stream I learned how to sneak alcohol in to sport events and received advice on life. Glad hololive allows their talents to express themselves rather than just be the typical idol
Cover's HR team is goated I tell you. Normally, a company would avoid hiring people with not one but all three 'vices'. But no, they see beyond the bad habits, and the potential of what she can do.
One note: AFAIK, all female talents in Hololive are assigned female managers after the incident with Mel getting harassed by her male manager (that's my understanding, anyway). You use the "he" pronoun for Raden's manager at the end of this clip, but I didn't hear any gender indicators in the Japanese, so I think it's better to use "she" for clips like this in the future, or he/she or s/he or something like that.
Theres male managers in hololive , what happened in mels case makes it that talents can now chose if they want male or female manager, and made female managers preferable when they do hire one. Shioris manager is male,same with matsuri.
@@minnelcandelario6893 Oh, interesting! I didn't realize that. That's... actually pretty cool! Much cooler than Cover just hiring exclusively female managers, which is what I thought they did -- which would've been an understandable, if rather drastic, step for them to take.
having specifically only female managers sounds unrealistic, especially if they supposedly had to replace every already existing male manager. besides, its better to use 'they' for non gender specific context anyways
So the management not only knew that we'd be cool with an idol with the most non-idol behavior, but they also knew we'd love her for it? Damn, management knows us a little too well.
She received some backlash in the beginning with people that wasn't happy with her smoking and they being worried that she would be a bad influence to their "favorite talents", but she promptly answered their right away and her fanbase protected her. So it stopped really quickly when they noticed that they wouldn't achieve anything
@@velfare yes, also some others places like the comments section of her streams and live chat too. She had to talk on stream about it and she asked them to stop and her fanbase became really protective, what also made those people go away
Glimpses like these actually show how far cover has come in such a short time. Mere years ago stuff just happened and they managed it afterwards or not. And now there is training, compliance, and experienced thought put into stuff like this beforehand. Sure there will still be misses, but it shows they have a handle on things❤
It's so funny seeing people losing it because the clipper wrote "he", to talk about her manager. 1. As far as I can hear she didn't actually explicitely revealed her manager's genre here. It's just a random translation choice from mr clipper. 2. They do have male managers. Matsuri talked about having a male manager and that some other can accept to have one too, on stream AFTER the Mel incident. Everything you heard about "rules changed" is misunformation. It's just that the girls will never go out of their way to reveal that their manager is a man.
Raden is the perfect figurehead for Dev_Is. She’s entirely different than everyone else in Hololive and Dev_Is in that she’s not trying to be a character or a conventional vtuber steamer. She’s authentically herself, and her streams are her just telling stories about herself or the things that interest her. And that alone is enough to bring in the viewers.
Management expected Raden to received backlash before debut. But then, after all regloss members debut, she in fact became the leading in sub count and supachat. Truly unexpected outcome.
Im surprised hololive let her in, with all her bad habits but she has charisma and despite knowing all the money she gets is going into booze gambling and smoking you cant help but dote on her
Because from looking at all their other hirings, Cover has mostly focused on finding talents and nurturing it rather than hiring people and making them maintain a marketable personality
Ironically problem child is always popular, cuz they have that crazy energy and people love to watch them. Although, there is a limit until it is too much, Raden is just perfectly under that limit. Also, does all hololive member get a different manager? While I do think some manager do eventually move away, and there is a dedicated one for the group. But if not, that's over 50+ managers...
There's not a different manager for everyone, but now each new member has their own manager. The more senior managers are shifted to the new talents, and the newer ones go to members who have been there for longer
