Managing Your Mass While Forging a Knife

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Follow along as I show you how to forge a specific knife shape, no grinding, no cutting, just a smith and a hammer. In this video I show some of the key skills needed to forge blades to shape.
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Hi! I am Josh A. Weston, I am a Forged in Fire champion from History Channel’s hit show. I make all kinds of hand forged items including, knives, swords, sculptures, bar ware and more. I teach lessons in person so reach out to me if you want a personal lesson.
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@oskarskoglund806 6 лет назад

As an amateur knifemaker I believe there's a great audience here on youtube to content like this. Basic, fundamental, hands on lovely forging and knifemaking. Keep it up!

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Oskar Skoglund I shall keep them coming then!

@neilyeag 6 лет назад

The best explanation and demonstration and the best video capture of this topic I have ever seen. Really well done.

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Thank you!

@scambroselauntrellus3681 4 года назад

These basic techniques are exactly what i'm looking for.

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

Excellent! Hope they help.

@user-lx5jt4vb5g 4 года назад

One of the best instructional videos on RU-vid. Thanks for sharing. Man an online course on how to forge knives will be great! Lots of people are interested. I saw that you are teaching in person.

@Noone-rt6pw 2 года назад

You right, it'd help if he'd speak a bit louder or remove the music,any agree? But his input is very welcomed.

@markharrisllb 4 года назад

Probably the most useful bladesmithing video I’ve ever seen.

@LucasdeFarias 3 года назад

That's a great instrucional vídeo! Loved it. Just a tip. You don't need music on your editing, the volume is loud and people like the sound of working hammer.

@samuelronan3488 2 года назад

This was both super simple to follow, yet extremely informational! Thank you for this!

@JoshAWeston 2 года назад

Happy to hear it! Let me know if you have more questions.

@dosplunder 3 года назад

Over three years later and this video is still super damn helpful!

@JoshAWeston 3 года назад

🙏🙏🙏 grow grow grow!

@scottybelcher1815 2 года назад

i attended an ABS basic class....ive been making knives for 2 years....you just filled in a lot of blanks for me...if I can learn from this...everyone can...well explained well presented...managing mass and distal tapers have been an issue for me.ive watched this video three times..as a card carrying apprentice bladesmith....i give this video a thumbs up!!!!

@JoshAWeston 2 года назад

🤘🤘🤘share the knowledge and grow

@scottybelcher1815 2 года назад

@@JoshAWeston its a steep learning curve indeed

@nachodrew 6 лет назад

Even after working with you in person, I’m still amazed at how you can bring something so amazing out of something so simple

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Drew Goodson thanks, Drew! You've got that too ;)

@kenschneirla1282 3 года назад

I wish I would've watched this before my last class...everything we did makes more sense!

@JoshAWeston 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@adamnurdin8224 4 года назад

Your explaination was easy to be understood. Thank you and have a great day

@pilanesbergtrails6844 Месяц назад

Excellent video. Thank you

@hearthwithheart394 2 года назад

Best I've heard it explained in the year I've been researching and practicing

@trevoreversole9030 3 года назад

Aboslutly awesome explanations man, great video!

@stantilton2191 3 года назад

You've earned my subscribtion, a job well done. I thank you and look forward to what's next.

@JoshAWeston 3 года назад

I do need to make some more of these! Thank you for the encouragement 🙏

@curtispoppenberg7349 4 года назад

Nicely done Josh. I've watched dozens of forging videos by great mastersmiths who are notably better Smiths than they are teachers. I learned more from this video than all others combined. Keep on sharing, your skills are appreciated.

@Noone-rt6pw 2 года назад

It makes a difference when someone knows how to explain things.

@johnathansibley9458 6 лет назад

The song that starts at 11.56 made gave me a great need to go listen to "Hard times and Nursery Rhymes". Good video, the counter bend is something that I had to figure out on my own. I like that our smithing community is so much more open than when I started.

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Johnathan Sibley Yes! There is a lot more access to information these days. It is quite nice.

@janex0018 Год назад

This is what I needed to start! Thank you very much

@luthmhor 3 года назад

That insight about the fish lips was a good piece of the puzzle for me. There are a lot of variables, forging a tip is actually deceptively difficult to do consistently. I think one of the main keys, as you state here, is the tip geometry BEFORE you start hammering.

@JoshAWeston 3 года назад

Absolutely, so many smiths struggle with this. Even long time smiths can tend to forge lips and plan to cut off tips. It's better to just forge in a way that won't leave you guessing if you got out all of the cold shut.

@Anderson-HandForged 4 года назад

hi josh my name is mark im as green as they come i just bought a forge got my anvil and other things i will need to forge some blades your video was awesome and will help me and anyone else that is new to this awesome hobby thank you and hope to see more instructional vids also smacked the like and sub button for you

@spartacusavengence9431 4 года назад

Thank you Josh!! Fish lips are the most annoying. This is by far one of the most informative videos on basic knife making skills. You’re awesome!

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

Quite happy to hear you have found this useful! And I agree, fish lips suck 🤣

@stantilton3339 5 лет назад

Great job and topic! It is tough to slow people down and get their attention to basic details.

@JoshAWeston 5 лет назад

So true. Gotta take that time to think things through and do them well. It's not just about wildly hitting steel.

@lewforrest511 6 лет назад

Thanks so much John!!! Invaluable information to someone new to the craft. I was trying to figure out on my own how to overcome these two issues, by trial and error!!! Great timing! Lew Forrest Lincoln, CA

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Lew Forrest glad to hear you learned something from it! It can be tough to learn by trial and error. Cutting through that can shave months and years off of the bladesmith learning curve.

@perrythomasson63 6 лет назад

Excellent video Josh! Well explained and informative! Thanks !

@StrayWolfForge 2 года назад

Awsome video! You presented the info in a way that was easy to learn and understand. Thank you I learned alot.

@JoshAWeston 2 года назад

Happy to hear it!

@sankojin 4 года назад

Thanks for making this video to help out new blade smith's. I can appreciate how much effort it takes to make videos as I have made a few myself though on other topics. With that being said you can avoid getting the saber effect or what you call the banana effect if you forge in your bevels correctly. If you hold your work at the same angle you want your bevel to be at and hit it with your hammer at that same angle you'll be able to forge your blade straight. By doing it this way you are compressing the steel instead of pinching it. This is how the Japanese forge in the bevels on their blades. I might not be explaining it very well but I hope you get what I'm saying. Anyway great video and takes again for sharing your knowledge.

@draco00 6 лет назад

Thanks Josh! That's super helpful!

@moosschmiede554 6 лет назад

Nice Video and some very good information. Thanks for sharing.

@540lyle 3 года назад

Thanks dude! The fish lips tip was awesome. Its exactly what I was looking for.

@JoshAWeston 3 года назад

Happy to hear it helped!

@luisconstruye3240 4 года назад

just what i was looking for, thanks for the tips, i just started forging not long ago. I like your way of explaining, it is quite understandable and fun, thanks RU-vid for recommending this channel to me, new subscriber

@neilyakuza6595 5 лет назад

Nice tip on the tip. Awsome vid, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

@budimanheri3274 5 лет назад

Nice working...nice explanation how to forge..great blacksmith.. i'm really enyoing this video

@justinpresson7812 3 года назад

Nice video Josh! Very worth the watch.

@JoshAWeston 3 года назад

Appreciate it!

@LiamJPenn 6 лет назад

This is really helpful! More like this please.

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

I have more in the works ;)

@JoeyClanton3721 3 года назад

Very good information.

@jasonscott7803 Год назад

Great explanation.👍✌️

@tntchitwood 4 года назад

Thanks for the lesson.

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

My pleasure!

@martbar12 3 года назад

I loved. Congratulations

@jeffbledsoe659 5 лет назад

Thank youfor this! I just started out and was having difficulty trying to hammer the bevels without curving the blade. Perfect info

@JoshAWeston 5 лет назад

Feel free to send me pics of your progression as you improve!

@stevenmyers6076 6 лет назад

Great video. Been looking for videos that better explain managing your material rather than forge a rectangle billet and grind to shape.

@waylandforge8704 3 года назад

Well done Josh I really enjoyed your easy presentation style and I appreciate all the time and effort you put into posting your work. The guys at "That works" have an excellent presentation on forging a bevil and I'm sure it would compliment your work. Thanks again.

@JoshAWeston 3 года назад

Thank you! Yeah, Matt and Ilya do a great job. I've actually adjusted my process more now based on their videos and further skill growth. I should get an updated video out there.

@philochristos 4 года назад

My eyes have been opened (and hopefully my fish mouth closed). Thanks for the excellent tutorial.

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

Excellent! I hope it is useful where the hammer hits the steel.

@ericbolich7212 5 лет назад

great tips so far. just bought a forge and came across both the banana blade issue and the fishlips in our groups first two outings.

@JoshAWeston 5 лет назад

Hopefully this will help your group progress beyond those issues! Good luck!

@florincochintu8691 6 лет назад

Great tips! You just earned one more subscriber! Thanks! Greetings from Romania!

@appendixcarrybear9141 6 лет назад

10/10 quality vid brother

@mattwears399 4 года назад

Great video.

@mbarker_lng 4 года назад

Great explanations. A dedicated black board or white board would be awesome though.

@sronnau99 6 лет назад

Very good brother! I passed this on!

@chilipepperjackcowboyactio9947 5 лет назад

Great video thank you for posting.

@JoshAWeston 5 лет назад

My pleasure!

@randomgraham4302 2 года назад

Thank you so much, there is only so much I’ve been able to learn from reading books but i kept getting frustrated due to the fish lips and banana results. Now it’s time to practice this weekend for Newton’s third law.

@JoshAWeston 2 года назад

Let me know how it works for you. There is a whole rabbit hole to go down but this will get you started.

@bradjones4544 Год назад

Great video

@kullcraven Год назад

Well done, thanks for the tips. :)

@JoshAWeston Год назад

My pleasure!

@theofilo5 6 лет назад

That was a nice tutorial especially the tip forging technique

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Glad you liked it!

@jamescline8055 4 года назад

great content. good video.

@jrgaston8891 4 года назад

Thank You!

@dennisobrien3618 6 лет назад

Interesting hexagonal shape on your forge's interior. It looks like one built from a repurposed propane tank, and seems like a good design.

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Dennis O'Brien It allows the heat to circle in the center. It also is clam shell designed with hinges to open from a side. It works pretty well.

@thefamily_ak1863 5 лет назад

thank u great video quality , can see an hear perfectly ,

@jlee565 6 лет назад

Wow, first commenter. Nice to see you have your own channel, hope it grows.

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Thanks! I am hoping to keep fresh content coming. I've got some more good ideas on the shoot list.

@brysonalden5414 4 года назад

This is the epitome of what a RU-vid video ought to be, at least as far as bladesmithing goes. Applying Newton's Third Law works better on blades than what I used to use, Finagle's Constant!

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

Finagle's Constant is good once the blade is forged and you really want to put a bevel on it.

@brysonalden5414 4 года назад

@@JoshAWeston Had to watch this again six months after my first viewing, as I'd forgotten some of it and developed some bad habits. Learned more this time! Thanks!

@jamesball7322 6 лет назад

I just realized it was you ,sweet !!!

@ericdavis8875 5 лет назад

Great digestible video!

@JoshAWeston 5 лет назад

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

@victorsvarietychannel2459 6 лет назад

Well done, thanks for the "tips"

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Vic Weston I see what you did there ;)

@dbrahosky 3 года назад

thanks. great "how to" keep posting

@ManCrafting 5 лет назад

I've fallen into this video and glad I found it. As someone who is in love with blacksmithing and completely new to it, I love a video like this. I'd love to see you do a "no forge" submission into the MakingTimePodcast Challenge. You can find info on Instagram. Essentially, forge something using only homemade resources. The kind of thing that anyone has access to. Limited time. Submissions due by Saturday 10-6-2018 That said there are a ton of prizes including a 8 IR Thermometers from Ennologic that measure temps up to 1922 degrees.

@Noone-rt6pw 2 года назад

What's the importance of forging the tip? One fellow mentioned how the stock may be forged, but the tip will be ground, shaped by grinding. Where a forged tip seemed to be important. Does it make it stronger, less likely to break, ???

@JoshAWeston 2 года назад

I am not sure if there is a difference in strength but for me, I prefer forging. My goal is to do as little grinding as possible... so more forging operations for me.

@ponderosaknifecompany8 4 года назад

Great video on managing your mass. Perhaps in the next one you could explain which hammer you are using (rounding, cross peen, flat, etc. ) and why. Thanks for the great video for us beginners

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

Great suggestion!

@q3aryoko 4 года назад

Oh man thank you on the tips for the banana blade and the fish lips! Ive made three knives so far and ive forged the shapes on all three. two are bananas lol though i was going for a seax shape... I threw out a piece of leaf spring i was working on because of the fish lips. THANKS for the tips man.

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

It happens, now you know you to avoid them!

@stevesyncox9893 4 года назад

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@minnesotapetecampbell6920 5 лет назад

Great video and knowledge to have! The Newton law makes perfect sense! Thank ya much

@JoshAWeston 5 лет назад

Happy to help!

@richardbranton2780 2 года назад

I'm kinda new to knife making and I want to learn how to forge out a blade. Everyone tells me not to worry about it that's old school that's why they make belt grinders. Almost everyone is just doing stock removal but it just seems to me that I need to know how. Sanding belts are kinda pricey wouldn't this cut down on sanding or does the price of gas even it out. Thanks for the great video I'm sure it's not as easy as you make it look

@JoshAWeston 2 года назад

Good luck as you learn! It's a wonder craft in so many ways. I prefer to forge to shape and forge thin. I don't love grinding and belts are way more expensive than gas 😳

@badleroybrown1000 3 года назад

That's not newtons's 3rd law in action. You're just squishing mass and it's moving to where it is squished. An example of Newton 3 is: you hammer down with a certain force, the anvil exerts the same force on the hammer.

@jackyoung1155 3 года назад

You can also just use a different beveling technique which doesnt move the blade around at all

@t.a.6454 3 года назад

This video is amazing! Great tips and some great shots but the music is too dang loud compared to your voice

@824WaterBoy 2 года назад

What are the odds I discover this gem😂

@JoshAWeston 2 года назад

Shit, just now?! 🤣😍🤣

@jawesome13 6 лет назад

Managing mass, bending tips, bananas, Newtons third law... You bet I got sweaty with you

@jessehannah2989 5 лет назад

What is the name of the style of tongs youre using in this demo? Vbits that drop down a bit?

@davefrimml1518 2 года назад

Actually, you don't have to shape it in the opposite desired shape to compensate for sabering like a banana! While forging your bevels, tip the knife to match the anvil side of the blade with the side you're hammering! This prevents unwanted sabering!

@kahiauelectus4216 4 года назад

I have a question and i can't really find the answer. How to temper the knife after quenching? Most of YT videos show that they tempering the knife in the oven for 1-2 hours. But how you they do it in Forge in Fire? And how they tempered knifes and swords in the old ages? Thanks!

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

On Forged in Fire, they temper the knives off set in between round 1 and 2.

@MusicalWeasel 4 года назад

what size round stock was that?

@max88nielsen 4 года назад

Super 😊 what is the mass of your anvil?

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

I use a 120 pounder. Love this little thing.

@jusme8060 3 года назад

I know it's an old video but can you tell me where you get that round bar stock and what kind of steel?

@JoshAWeston 3 года назад

It is 52100 and I got it from Ray Kirk @rakerknives I am not sure where he orders it. I get most of my steelnfrom New Jersy Steel Baron.

@jusme8060 3 года назад

@@JoshAWeston thanks

@ypdonny 4 года назад

Josh, at what thickness do you start forging the tip?

@JoshAWeston 4 года назад

Anywhere above 1/8th inch. Thinner than that takes a lot of control and patience.

@neilyeag 6 лет назад

Josh, why do you start with round stock not flat bar?

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Not everyone has flat bar already. I was showing how you can work from round bar stock.

@perrythomasson63 6 лет назад

What size and type of stock were you using? What is the finished thickness of the spine?

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

That was just under .5" round rod. I will get the blade measurements for you later.

@perrythomasson63 6 лет назад

Josh A. Weston Type of steel?

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

52100

@yaboiranger5465 4 года назад

Absolutely fantastic video, personally I like curved knives tho, so ima keep doing the banana technique

@sayan9947 3 года назад

Make a khukri as it as

@Noone-rt6pw 2 года назад

What is a divet?

@huckstirred7112 6 лет назад

to not end up with a moon would you suggest i start at the back?

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

It's a little more involved than that. You need to make sure you are working the spine as well as the blade bevel. If you only hammer the bevel shape it will always moon on you. You can either pre-bend it down or also counter bend it as you go by also working distal taper into the spine.

@huckstirred7112 6 лет назад

Please help What I'm trying to achieve is a long graceful curve . It seems if the blade starts to curl to tight ,If i work it by hitting it with a piece of wood I get a flat spot that ruins the aesthetics of the whole knife .The more I try to fix it the worse it gets . I have ruined three attempts on 1084 .and 5 mild steel knife shapes .Thank you for your help ,and responding to me . I'm very frustrated

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

HUCK stir could you upload some photos of the work? That will help me give you more specific help.

@huckstirred7112 6 лет назад

I have learned a lot from this vid by reading in between the lines .Oh i really appreciate the help and response . I have a stick of 2 1/2 x 3/16 x 48 1084 New jersey steel baron .I will post something next week. So I will do that . The best butcher knife " there has been many " and many dollars ", hard to find a great one " was a knife I bought for $2.50 at the local flea market . Better than $75 commercial butcher. Well every year we butcher 16 hogs and after 25 years ,my precious flea market prize is almost a small nub. I hope to create something similar . The flea market knife was made from a file.

@huckstirred7112 6 лет назад

I need a really long bladed knife "12-14 inches " with a really smooth up turned curve with a handle going up at an angle. One of my jobs is taking the bacon off the pig . A long sweeping curve keeps you from hacking at it , and nicking it up . No video's of me chopping pallets lol

@Kamikaziidare Год назад

Just a query: Are you a Master or Journeyman Bladesmith?

@JoshAWeston Год назад

I am neither. I have a degree and education in design and have worked in the creative world for 20 years, being at the Creative Director level for the last decade. I just apply my traditional skills to metal now.

@officialgimpygardener4343 6 лет назад

Side note: estimate of ‘beginning equipment’ necessary for a über young teen interested in learning?? Min. requirements for basic forging- say an ornamental hook or (insert appropriate first time project) Just asking for enthusiastic teen that needs discipline/patience as a teen/beginner. Money is tight. Ps. Free labor available to offset cost of an option.

@officialgimpygardener4343 6 лет назад

Like cost of mini forge, wire brush for scale, hammer, vice type device, oil/tempered set up ??

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

I would first reccomend a book called, "The Backyard Blacksmith" and that he get a couple lessons. Many lessons and classes will walk him through the process of tool making. By the end of the class he will have things like tongs, hammers and punches.

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Kristen Kaylor Smith Forge: $300-$400, Tongs: $45-$65/pair, Anvil: $200 (chunk of steel) to $1200 (prices have really shot up on these), Regulator: $75, Propane Tank: $40-$130, Propane fill: $20-$80/tank, Hammers: $25-$150 and most IMPORTANTLY - SAFETY EQUIPMENT: Gloves: $15, Eye Protection: $10, FIRE EXTINGUISHER (S): Prices vary.

@officialgimpygardener4343 6 лет назад

Josh A. Weston oh boy... 😮

@huckstirred7112 6 лет назад

would you forge a blade blank for a paying customer if screw things up 5 - 6 more times just forge the blade ,I would do every thing else .

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

HUCK stir yes, I could do that. I might make it a video.

@huckstirred7112 6 лет назад

how do I get a hold of you ,so i can give you a temp-let of exactly what I need and send you the steel .A VID WOULD BE AWESOME !!!

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

@joshaweston on instagram or twitter or my facebook page: facebook.com/thepxsmith/

@Finn-McCool 6 лет назад

Liked and subd my friend. The chalk talk segment is so valuable for myself personally. "Visual queues always work" that's Frenchy's 1st law of apprenticeship! 😄😄😄 Please check out my burner video posted on the same day as this. Funny little coincidence there. I'm confident that now my first blade will not be a sculpture of a banana. Why is it that no one ever seems to mention the art of "reversing the tip?" It seems to be universally fundamentally absolutely notably crucially important!!!! So thank you.

@stilltlrforlife 5 лет назад

I figured it was common sense on the tip..lol.

@JoshAWeston 5 лет назад

Unfortunately, it is not.

@stilltlrforlife 5 лет назад

@@JoshAWeston That and people always using files incorrectly

@NBryanBlack 3 года назад

The problem with common sense is that it is not very common!

@officialgimpygardener4343 6 лет назад

Cleaning??? I gotta a solution of free labor for you! Hehe

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

Kristen Kaylor Smith I"ll take you up on that this fall.

@huckstirred7112 6 лет назад

why do all these blade smiths hate a large knife that curls up . I used lots of very large knives in the butcher shop with that curl ,the are far better for butchering than strait knives. I have used a 14 inch long with a 1 3/4 - 2 inch wide blade were not only did the blade curl upward ,the handle angled up as well to exaggerate the curl , With the enormous ark of the blade I could remove a bacon in 3 - 4 strokes .I want a blade with a smooth gradual curl upwards .not a strait spot on the entire blade just a tad bit less than a banana .

@JoshAWeston 6 лет назад

There is a place for those types of blades. The point of this video is to show knife makers how to forge a straight back or drop point blade. Many beginning smiths end up forging banana shaped knives not because they want to it's just what happens when a smith doesn't fully understand what they are doing. This video is meant to help make that possible for them.

@SpaceMonkey23101 2 года назад

I really appreciate this video, thank you. But god damn, that super loud music which overpowers the voice audio is a bad call dude. People want to hear what you are saying.

@nietztsuki 3 года назад

Great information! Enjoyed the video. FYI== the music, however, was annoying and overbearing. It would have been much better to hear your voice and the sound of the hammer.

@Entropy825 4 года назад

Newton's third law is a law of MOTION. It has to do the magnitude and direction of forces associated with moving objects, etc., not mass of metal squishing this way or that.