How to Forge Bevels on a Blade - The Right Way !

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In this video Ilya shows you the ins and outs of forging bevels on a blade. Using a tamahagane blade made from traditional bloom from Japan as his demo piece he gives you a step by step of how to forge a blade. Everything from how to swing the hammer to proper anvil stance for bladesmiths and blacksmiths alike. He makes a Japanese style blade, but this technique is good across all cultures of blades.
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@ThatWorks 4 года назад

Thanks for watching this episode of -Your Edge- and thanks to Ilya Alekseyev for sharing this awesome knowledge with us. Be sure to leave a comment telling us what topic you want us to cover on the next episode !

@generalyyy 4 года назад

I have an idea for next or one of the future episodes. I would love to watch video of You guys talk about steel, i mean which steel is good for knives, which is good for swords, tools, axes etc.with pointing the properities of those steels, and maybe temperatures. It doesnt need to be full AAA grade episode with fountains and fireworks, simple vlog would be just right for this. Thanks for all those lessons and knowledge and experience You share with us :)

@David-kd5mf 4 года назад

Anthracite nut coal vs charcoal vs blacksmithing coal vs wood vs propane for heating metal would make good video

@rafaelvasconcelos8889 4 года назад

I wish i have infinitys likes buttons for this video. Please, make more of those.

@patricioberasategui7429 4 года назад

I want to learn how to have a razor sharp edge with natural waterstone

@timjackson5555 4 года назад

Why the water on anvil before forging?

@bpcaboutpconapc5461 4 года назад

Thanks for the Vid.... finally someone else that does what my Granddad did. He also had a small wedge set on a stump rest near the Anvil, he'd use to start different project types with different angles. I remember him saying "start the hammer and the hand will follow". sure enough your work hold hand follows in line pretty quickly. he used to say drawing it out lightens the edge and leaves less material for filing, that fine for finer work its not much good for blades. he also used to say "work it only as much as your eye sees" usually he'd follow with " see it right at the start, in the end you'll see it please the heart" . He was so skilled.

@mattthescreamer177 2 года назад

The demonstration with the wood was mind blowing, absolute game changer for me. Holy cow thank you so much for making such quality content. I am binge watching your channel now to see what else I'm missing

@fluxbe2737 3 года назад

I'm super thankful to all the RU-vid creators that lend their knowledge of blacksmithing and knife making. It's how I learned to make demascus knives!

@henrymonroy9533 Год назад

I really appreciate that you are so good at explaining and demonstrating PROPER techniques.

@analog56x 4 года назад

Ilya slays myths and provides techniques for staying in the game. what a great show, and an amazing teacher! cheers guys!

@budove58 6 месяцев назад

I learned more in this one video than all of the other videos I've watched combined.

@adamparker9765 Год назад

As someone who had to change my hammering technique because of tennis elbow , I can't tell you how much you're right about relaxing the arm. Took a solid six months to recover because I was constantly re injuring it till I changed how tense my arm was . I suppose I was just trying to use more power in my swing , but it really isn't necessary and quite detrimental . All good now and teaching roughly 90 students a year for the last 6 years. The basics are really so important.

@elirobertson2324 5 дней назад

amazing how the body can experience an injury, and then the mind moves forward with the tension as part of its character ...sort of recreating that tension

@veteranironoutdoors8320 4 года назад

Thank you guys so much for teaching the technique! And I would love to see an in depth of making bloom steel and refining it.

@stevesyncox9893 3 года назад

Veteran Iron&Wood check out Al Pendray and Ric Furrors.

@gavinclark6891 4 года назад

Ilya is such a wizard with smithing.

@jandastroy 4 года назад

Swinging a hammer is all about creating that moment of inertia where you want whatever you're hitting to move, be it steel, a nail, or whatever you're hitting. It's nice to see someone demonstrate that clearly love your style Ilya

@MichaelBerthelsen 4 года назад

Personally, I'm very interested in metal engraving, and would love to learn how to do it traditionally, by hand. But the only tools I can find are Dremmel-like mechanical engravers. Traditionally, craftsmen would make their own, so would be cool to see a video on Ilia and his engraving tools, and maybe how to make them.😉

@paul-emilefrancois3731 4 года назад

Michael Berthelsen they did a video about engraving

@MichaelBerthelsen 4 года назад

@@paul-emilefrancois3731 I know, I was hoping on a more detailed video on how to make the tools. I can't find anything locally, and online it's almost impossible to find the tools, since they're crowded out by Dremmel clones. So a video on how to make your own would be cool.

@julianitama468 4 года назад

this. after talking to some more experienced engravers it turned out that there's really only one place in north America that teaches metal engraving, and apparently alot the people who come out of that academy are extremely insular and don't like sharing those skills, so there aren't a lot of easy to find resources out there. a video dedicated to the shape/geometry of different gravers would be great.

@Sebastian-ed5kt 4 года назад

@@julianitama468 Ilya did a quick show of his engravers previously here, you may have to search but I think it is in his video to his Bladeshow sword where he is engraving

@julianitama468 4 года назад

@@Sebastian-ed5kt I know, I've seen it. it was a good display of technique, but other than briefly saying (paraphrase) "I made these; this one does this, that one does that. blyat." he didn't go into the materials/construction/geometry of a good graver. Just from talking to engravers after the fact, its obvious to me that a lot of information was left out on that end.

@psylegio 4 года назад

Thank you for producing in dept content! Thank you so much! Forging that wood - brilliant way of showing your point! I learned some new stuff here!

@lanettekarner 3 года назад

I've watched countless blade forging videos and I have to say, this video was more useful to me than all the others combined. Thank you.

@ronaldmarsh7025 4 года назад

Another great video. I watch these mainly to learn and sadly a lot of other channels have moved into a more entertainment driven style, ones which formerly focused on learning and teaching. These are still very entertaining, but its nice to have a channel that helps drive the community forward in such an active way.

@ianlowe4666 4 года назад

'cough' Alec Steele? 'cough' 'cough'...

@ThatWorks 4 года назад

Ian Lowe I’d say he used to teach a lot in his videos but not nearly as much lately.

@ianlowe4666 4 года назад

@@ThatWorks He's the only one I could think of off the top of my head who now does significantly less 'educational' material. I was familiar with Brian's work before Alec popularised it but Alec has always been more prolific on the media side of things. Fair play to him, he's making a living. You lads have gone the opposite way though it seems and deserve much credit for doing so as far as I'm concerned. All about the edamucation :)

@ronaldmarsh7025 4 года назад

I honestly think that Illya is gifted at teaching while Alec is not. While Alec can and has taught, the ability seems more of a trained thing while Illya makes it seem natural. This has been a big difference for me and I have learned more within the vastly less content. If I had the means I would definately take a class taught by Illya.

@rbessuges 4 года назад

@@ronaldmarsh7025 Alec is 23 yo, so maybe we can grant him some time to become a master for others, when in the time being he's already an inspiration for everyone.

@DFloyd84 4 года назад

The protagonist of a book I'm writing is an apprentice to a master blacksmith, so the tools and techniques you're describing and demonstrating in this series and on this channel in general are a great resource for my work.

@limj5543 4 года назад

Derek Floyd what’s the book called would love to give it a read?

@stevesyncox9893 3 года назад

Better give a character a name that honors the Master....😜

@ghostcraft9343 3 года назад

How’s the book coming?

@richardlindsey5341 3 года назад

This is awesome, I really appreciate a master of his trade passing his knowledge and skills on to amateur such as myself. The posture part has really made a big difference for me. Thank you so much for your time.

@bktfrank 4 года назад

19:37 "Let's go to the *chalkboard* and take a look" made the next cut so hillarious.

@ericcartrette6118 4 года назад

In my experience, there are very few people out there that teach how to properly use a hammer. As a result, I developed bad habits that are threatening to take me out of the forge. Thanks for the explanation! I am working to correct my posture and swing. Hopefully when I have the money, you will have more hammers in stock. I WANT ONE!

@gushlergushler 4 года назад

As a physiotherapist I would advise you to get medical help early, the more you delay chronic problems the worse they become and early beginning of treatment can prevent problems spiraling out of control.

@ericcartrette6118 4 года назад

@@gushlergushler Yeah, I've seen an Orthopedic specialist. I have rehab exercises that I have to do. If things don't get bwtter, I'll be seeing him again soon.

@gushlergushler 4 года назад

@@ericcartrette6118 Good luck!

@flyingpigforge 3 года назад

FWIW, I would like to offer another opinion from being a farrier/blacksmith for 37 years. I've found that if I keep my shoulder, elbow and wrist in the same plane I have fewer soft tissue issues. When I move my elbow away from my body to the side i get a compound arc that gives me tennis elbow, yet I could still hammer with my elbow in. I also set my anvil at a height I can stand upright and move easily around as I use the edge, horn and face for different effect... but then, I'm no knife maker, either.

@evanscott4323 4 года назад

Valuable information for sure. Proper technique is the key to longevity. I sure see a lot of crazy hammer styles out there in forge land. And the bending over thing...hoo boy. I'm goin' on thirty years of full time work in the shop now, and the only thing that makes my arm sore is working cold iron. Great vid.

@Castaway_glass 3 месяца назад

This is one of the best instructional videos I have ever seen, the demonstration was very helpful in explaining the physics at play. Thank you for putting so much attention to detail into this video 🙏

@GreenBeetle 4 года назад

Nice video ty! My experience with milled steel is that the reduction in saber curving with this technique is not a pronounced as it is here in bloom steel. Is that your experience or am I doing it wrong? Thanks.

@dogslobbergardens6606 2 года назад

I can't say for 100%, but your observation seems correct. Because mill steel doesn't have that "stringy" "loose" grain to it in the first place. I enjoy your videos, by the way.

@vanloockeaxel3622 4 года назад

I started forging a month ago and I had some trouble forging my bevels. Thanks for your job guys !

@rybaneightsix5085 2 года назад

That initial explanation and demonstration was great. And confirmed what I have suspected for a long time. Absolutely love your videos.

@agentzier4443 4 года назад

Watched this over the weekend and just tried the compression technique that was shown. Wanted to come back and say how amazing this worked...so much easier and with a much straighter blade Instead if the sabering before...thank you

@williamhart4896 4 года назад

Thanks Ilya your letting the tool do the job not forcing your body to get it done . Thanks for sharing this information

@Curtislow2 4 года назад

Some people ar nature instructors An Ilya you are one of the best.

@amishplumber4251 4 года назад

Very valuable information. Thank you for sharing. The correct art of blacksmithing can only live on if people like you keep on sharing information like this.

@wolfparty4234 4 года назад

Wow!!! It takes a lot for someone to stand up in front of RU-vid land and tell everybody that they are forging wrong!! So for you sir, a true outlier to prove and provide a video showing the RU-vid world the correct forging and hamming techniques, I am at a list of words!!! Well done Sir!! Thank you for sharing! 🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@schoolsout15 4 года назад

THANK YOU: Now I understand why the first blade I tried forging came out looking like an odd fishing knife. If you could cover distal tapers, that would be beyond helpful.

@Excalibur-je5pk 4 года назад

Same. Proper distal tapers look so good but for the life of me I just cannot lol

@Entrixstormwind 2 года назад

I learned the basics almost 30 yes ago at a class being held at Old Fort at #4 in Charlestown, NH. The blacksmith there at the time was Jeff Miller. A lot of what this video just taught came back to me from those early lessons. I still have all my equipment and now I want to set it up and get back into it. Thank you for these excellent techniques.

@jameshaulenbeek5931 4 года назад

Thank you very much for this! I've only done a small amount of forging many years ago, but my instructor taught me these same techniques. It's refreshing to see and hear you explain this. Prior to learning that, I was a carpenter for many years. I learned early on from my father that properly gripping and swinging a hammer (properly gripping and using any tool) was of the utmost importance.

@rodneylangstroth4577 4 года назад

I've watched this episode several times, and keep learning. I really appreciate your sharing this with me. My technique is improving greatly compared to 6 months ago. And now I'm sharing it with others who want to learn bladesmith techniques. Thank you very much Ilya

@jarredjones3358 4 года назад

Ilya, Thank you for demonstrating that you don't need to be clenching onto your tools to do meaningful work. Everyone I work with insists on wearing gloves whenever they pick up a tool. I almost never wear gloves and I work with hand tools (hammers, axes) all day. I have no strain in my joints and my hands are still soft, I've only had maybe 3 blisters my whole life, and I rarely even get a callus. I hold my tools really loose, and my arms are really relaxed because I do all the work with the rest of my body. I've noticed you stand really close to your anvil and I feel like that's an important factor as well. I always tell newcomers to stand as close as they can to the anvil and really get on top of their work, I like to be right on top what I'm working on if I can. There's just so much less strain if you're working close to your body. That's true for almost any tool as well, wrenches, screwdrivers, drills, angle grinders (to an extent, they can be dangerous). Great video by the way, bevels aren't really talked about in any capacity beyond "Grind it in or forge it in?", no one really goes into detail about how you're supposed to forge it in. This was very informative and I learned a lot, thanks!

@Adam-ie3cf 3 года назад

By far one of the best videos I've watched. I watched this while my forge was heating up to start a new project. The better technique was obvious immediately. Thank you

@dasnurk 4 года назад

Absolutely invaluable advice, thanks Ilya!!!

@TheKenpachiZaraki13 4 года назад

In your description of holding your hammer makes me think as a drummer of how we hold our drumm sticks. We pinch them with our first 2 fingers and thumb and use our other 2 and pamb as bump guides

@BrokenWar46 4 года назад

another thing I've heard is, just like a drumstick, to not death grip the hammer and to let it bounce

@EvilSewnit 2 года назад

@@BrokenWar46 very true

@dogslobbergardens6606 2 года назад

Yes, that's more or less true of holding everything from drumsticks to hammers to knives to even baseball bats. The "death grip" thing *will* injure your joints sooner or later, and those kind of injuries never really heal up right. People think they have to force the thing; but it's really more about just guiding it smoothly.

@normanbayona4636 2 года назад

I'm so glad I stumbled onto this video. It's unfortunate how in the current age of RU-vid, content creators that can drown the subscription feed come out on top, and I hadn't seen this video until 2 years later. I'm noticing that the idea of whipping your tool into materials is likely a universal impact tool technique, whether using a hammer, an axe, or even a baseball bat. Thanks again!

@TokyoCraftsman 4 года назад

I found this very interesting and you really show the technique well, thank you. I'm no blacksmith or knife maker, but I find it all very interesting to watch. One day if I ever can convince my lovely wife to move out of downtown Tokyo, I'd like to set up a blacksmith shop. I have often wondered how smiths of old formed the bevel on knives or swords. What I see so many smiths do these days is to grind the bevel into the blade blank, fair enough they are working with modern steel and have access to belt grinders etc, I'm sure if smiths of old had access to belt grinders they would use them in a heartbeat too, but like I said, they did not, so how did they make the bevel. This explanation makes complete sense to me, and the maybe not obvious difference between compressing and pinching is now clear to me. Your tips on hammering technique are great. Thanks for the instructive video, I subbed. Cheers from Tokyo!

@rodneylangstroth4577 4 года назад

I've watched this video several times. I keep learning more each time, and am now teaching my students this method. Thanks for the awesome tutorial, Ilya

@starforged 3 года назад

Very good and knowledgeable about Blacksmithing. But where you really excelled is your teaching skills. Thank you very much.

@Thechemist777 4 года назад

Awesome video guys! Thanks

@narusawa74 3 года назад

Glad I found your channel. I'm a friend of Fabrice Cognot and he kept telling about you . I watched several old Men at Arms Reformed and learned tons from you already. Just subscribed here so I can even better detailed classes. Thanks for sharing Ilya !!

@kylebakner2119 4 года назад

Thank you! Awesome video. Explains "Edge Packing" in a way I've never seen before.

@raymondraptorclaw2901 4 года назад

Thank you very much for teaching me this technique! It answered all of my questions: best fuel, making a blade properly, and efficient hammer form.

@88nzmike 4 года назад

One of the best videos on forging!~ thank alots

@chewher4171 4 года назад

Very educational. I love the way he explained it and modeled the wrong way first and pointed out all the mistakes. Then he showed the right way. That way we can compare the two.

@dakota-joel7590 4 года назад

As always very informative and educational. Previously I've avoided forging my bevels because the blade would get twisted as well as curve horribly. I hope to try some more of these techniques soon!

@mandamados 4 года назад

Ilya you are a forging scientist !!!

@genedavis759 2 года назад

Great instructional on fundamentals ! Thanks !

@rodneylangstroth4577 4 года назад

Awesome man. I'm self taught in forging and knife making. This is just the direction I need. Thank you

@NordicEdge 4 года назад

Great video, thanks guys!

@darrenwidas2473 4 года назад

Awesome. I accidentally used this technique but didn’t understand what was happening, now I know. Thank you!

@adamnurdin8224 4 года назад

Thank you Ilya for the enlightment.

@dabforge5731 3 года назад

Awesome informative video! Thanks man

@southernblueblood5402 4 года назад

This is the best blacksmith video I have seen by far, you explained clearly and simply. The camera shots and angles were up close and can see everything, thank you Ilya your instruction is the best I have seen.

@dadsfriendlyrobotcompany 4 года назад

This is excellent. When I was forging my first double bevel dagger, I was chasing the snake and was constantly looking out for the trapezoidal cross section. It was a handful.

@RovingPunster 3 года назад

Love that analogy ... chasing the snake. 😃

@dogslobbergardens6606 2 года назад

I have often wondered, half-jokingly, if maybe that's how the kris design was invented... perhaps a bladesmith was having trouble with all that and just decided, "Fine, screw it, this dagger is going to be curvy." :p

@hankatmaggies8819 2 года назад

@Dogslobber gardens lol 😂

@sankojin 4 года назад

Thank you so much for this video! I have watched tons of videos on forging blades and what I just learned from watching it was so very helpful. Thank you, Ilya for taking the time and doing this.

@alexkatsaros6180 4 года назад

Great lesson Ilya! I have learned a lot that you!

@evank7113 3 года назад

Fantastic informative vid Thankyou

@justinbackiney 4 года назад

Baltimore knife and sword has greatly improved my metalworking in so many ways! Thanks for the awesome videos and please keep it up

@wandervanhoucke4331 4 года назад

Thanks for another video guys!

@Snit369 4 года назад

thanks for the video, it was very good!

@hectorvelazquez9367 Год назад

A great video! That make a lot of sense. Thank you!

@eggstraordinair 4 года назад

Loved this!

@jaredpaddick5879 4 года назад

This was so helpful and informative! Thanks for all this freely given knowledge. You guys are great!

@Paulsinke 3 года назад

so much learned from one video, thanks!

@jondrud3742 3 года назад

GREAT video! Please make more 🥺

@briancapell8442 4 года назад

Excellent teacher .thanks

@bliblablubb9590 4 года назад

This one and the bone carving videos were my absolut favourites on this channel. I really like the new concept you guys are trying out.

@apachegypsy88-98 Год назад

Amazing video! Thank u guys so much for making these videos! Keep them coming👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽✊🏽

@nathanshaw6303 4 года назад

Excellent video!! Thank you for sharing your experience.

@mattmcdonald6034 3 года назад

Makes his anvil bleed at 11:16 😝🔨 Really appreciate the explanations and demonstrations. Thank you for these types of videos.👍

@hacktheplanetzc 4 года назад

This was very informative. Thanks, Ilya.

@mountainwolf1 10 месяцев назад

Thank you very much Ilya and matt for making this video sometime ago. This had and has improved my technique greatly in no only blades but in everything I forge godbless and be well.

@christospapakostas8405 2 года назад

One of the best videos (if not the best) on forging technique that i've watched so far. Thank you for sharing this information

@mictaylor9531 4 года назад

Fantastic video - thanks 👌🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@mikebrant97 4 года назад

I love these guys you do such great work

@gustavoalmeida624 4 года назад

Love this kind of content. Especially the posture and way of taking care on using a proper form to preserve your health.

@daveycodfish5584 4 года назад

Hi guys! Thanks for the awesome vid! And thank you Ilya! I always learn so much from you guys! Please please please keep them coming!

@johnphilipllegado9413 3 года назад

Now this is worth watching. Thanks for the information. You guys are my inspiration to make knives..

@tntchitwood 4 года назад

Thanks for the tips, tried them today, worked great!

@egyptwns89_26 4 года назад

As always, it’s great to see you guys are still going.

@danthemakerman 4 года назад

You are a great teacher.

@vidarsigrun 3 года назад

Great info.

@brucecampbellforpresident1393 3 года назад

Thank you very much this helped a lot.

@GhostSenshi 3 года назад

This is some fantastic information right here

@shatersphere11 3 года назад

Thank you very much for the in depth teaching and the concepts behind it. I've been practicing blade forging for about 1 year and for the most part I've just been grinding in the bevels but to me that is the easy way out and I wont always have a grinder at my disposal. I like to learn to do things correctly the more difficult ways then learn the ways I can make it easier while still correct.

@edwardrichard2561 4 года назад

Great video.

@jorgegonzalez-pv8mv 3 года назад

A true Master !!!!

@BeerZerkeraidean 3 года назад

Awesome tip.

@ClenioBuilder 4 года назад

Thanks for shering Ilya. I'm a big fan.

@timdelong2349 3 года назад

Good instructional vid.

@Hogbellylife 4 года назад

Your videos are amazing and very helpful! Thank you kind sir!

@brianlucas7604 2 года назад

Thank you. Good video

@stepstone9021 4 года назад

I really appreciate you're instruction...makes perfect sense...thanks

@HMSRadzeer 3 года назад

just the other day as i started to form my honsanmai tanto, i thoght it's time to try out Ilya's beveling technique. I was unsure at the beginning, but the blade really did yatagan itself. Thank you for the great tip