Manboy is the GOOD Guy | Snowfall (FX) Analysis 

Finding a more efficient way of doing business, that also makes more money, doesn't seem like a "bad guy" move to me. Franklin did that with Avi, but had actual success. However, I'm arguing that Manboy is a good guy considering the circumstances and who his opponents are. He's the lesser of two evils, not a saint.

“Word Is They Were ManBoy, MAYBE LOOKING TO EXPAND! I Still Think Trusting That Nigga Don’t Make No Sense.” In The Brick By Brick Scene, “You Know This Nigga Wanna Take Over N Shit” The Scene Where He Saw Wanda In His Cook House Confirmed What He Already Peeped, He Seen It Coming

@@JaneforShort Lying to everyone to get a plug makes the worst guy list..... loyalty only to his mission.. remember"'I don't give up my people that's you".....But, Leon did move on that corner tying to apply some pressure to Englewood and Compton.

im pretty sure Manboy made sure the hit on Skully failed on purpose. That way Franklin would now be involved in the war between Skully and Manboy. And of course Skully would want his revenge. With Franklin out of the way Manboy would be able to takeover.

Franklin didn't make Vines

he needs Leon to help him keep up with Reed's demands

Wrong, Franklin clearly knows he built this all up with family in the end and even though sometimes it can get out of hand he needs them and they need him.

Gotta Think Kevin Seen This Whole Thing Coming “I Thought This Shit Changed You But Then I Realized It’s Who You Always Were” - Kevin “Money’s Got Ya Head All Fucked Up Or Maybe Ya Head Was Never Right To Begin With” - Leon And Also Leon Helped Saint Kick Out All Those People Out Of The Same Shelter That Saved His Own Life

After everything Franklin did for Leon, he literally protected him season 4 by not giving him up. More like Leon is ungrateful he literally owes Franklin now

@@payton2297 1. He did what he had to do to reach his father 2. Their shelter only existed because of the crack business

Never knew that.... I own a house in Suffolk, VA.

I'm from Richmond, VA

Virginia was in the building with Manboy 757 stand up I’m from 757 I always like Manboy swag man it fills good to support someone from 757 on a entertaining show!

Much love to the 7 Cities 🖖🏾❤️

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Naw he killed that girl and got no punishment he should’ve been burned alive

@@kanarip8798 Are you dumb? Every single person in Snowfall essentially killed someone else, even the "good guys. Leon was the only one that felt guilty about it at least

@@HsTikkytokky are you justifying him killing an innocent child? And “felt bad” “are you dumb” that’s your problem I can tell from your response you lack logic and rationale

@@kanarip8798 How am I lacking anything? Are you watching the right show or what? Maybe you’ve watched some rip off version but do yourself a favour and watch “Snowfall”, hey I’ve even written it out for you, then get back to me!

@@kanarip8798 technically skully and Khadijah killed that child Leon only did what he had to do out of defense not knowing there was a kid in the car, well how would you know when there’s bullets flying at you and all you can do is shoot back lol

He killed his neighbor Andre knowing that was all Mel had, not to mention he pistol whipped his own father & took a ton of shit off ppl not in his crew that he let slide, he only really gets tough with his own ppl for the most part

@@Logic7 Andre did say they were at war though and even said he was going to kill Franklin

@@helnaw3295 And his dad was literally snitching on him to reporters and radio stations

EXACTLY. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. It’s easy to criticize when you’re the loser.

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Bruh no one in the drug business is good manboy stuck by the code that's what makes him good he was business man

@@jonathank786 To Me, He Didn’t Really Have A Code, A Lot Of Power Hungry, Greedy MFs Usually Don’t Meaning They Will Do Absolutely Anything For The Bag

That's so cool to hear! How did you feel about it? I hope my opinions didn't influence yours too much.

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for commenting.

All of this is true. I still stand by what I said regardless of the context though because Franklin brought crack to his neighborhood. That's what villainized him to me the most. His desire for power and killing his lifelong friends is just another drop in the bucket. Also, idc what anyone says, Andre didn't have to die and neither did Kevin, at least not by Franklin's hand. I do agree that there's no definitive answer as to who is right/wrong, but when it comes to ManBoy, I said what I said lol. Thanks for commenting!

Thank you

@@ThisThatTheThird it's interesting see people perception on things

@@djdixon6202 100% I think it adds a new dimension to how you watch the show

That's something that I just can't get about the fans.What part of *federal government* don't they get.And Franklin's family is just as weird, everybody except Unc & Lee knew Teddy is CIA.But yet, every time something happens here they come blaming Franklin & acting like he had a choice.Especially Cissy who's really to blame for the story getting out.You trusted the same husband that left you for a decade so he could get drunk in piece,the same husband you knew allegedly murdered his own cousin for working with the feds.He should've been the last person to know who the plug really was.Mel got her daddy killed & her daddy got himself killed.She let Andre think it was Franklin she was always doing shit with & got her strung out which made him really go after him.She threw him under the bus & set all that in motion but nobody wants to talk about how wild she was even before she started messing with Franklin or when he wasn't anywhere around.I also think she knows about the CIA part because after Irene talked to her, that's when she really started looking into Franklin.He is not the bad guy,he's surrounded by a bad family that he takes the blame for.Of course he expects loyalty.

I still think he was better than Franklin. I definitely left that part about Tanosse out (idk why now that I think about it, not on purpose though), but Franklin treats people the exact same way. They're a means to an end. Manboy was ABSOLUTELY evil, but I stand by what I said. Not the good guy, but better than Franklin.

@@JaneforShort The debate of who is better is pointless. Evil is evil.

The thing about Manboy is he was about business and playing by the rules. Skully on the other hand was crazy and unpredictable. How do you do business with someone who you KNOW could flip out and kill you because you said the wrong thing or because he interpreted something you said wrong? I don't see where Manboy was wrong. Say you and I were business partners and someone from my crew was intentionally moving in on your territory. You come speak with me and I pretty much tell you to charge it to the game or it is what it is and then later that same person ends up killing someone close to you in your family, aren't you gonna want blood?

This is why we like Franklin he is literally the personification of what you call a real thug he is willing to do whatever to make money at the beginning he had the hustler mentality but was soft wasn’t willing to step on people to get what he wanted slowly over the seasons he became well how do I say it fucking crazy he understands what he needs to do he killed Andre he murdererd Kevin he had his own dad killed for this bizness this is why I love this show it shows the changes from the first season to the 4th and now we are expecting hella more from the 5th he is the bad guy we like I mean he pulled up on mel like it was none killed drew like it was none all this to say franklin is the bad guy but we love him as that the show wouldn’t be as fun or interesting as is if Franklin now was still soft and scary.

As I've mentioned before, I was not arguing that Manboy was "altruistic." I was arguing that he was less problematic than Franklin, or even, "the lesser of two evils." In what world would I be arguing that anybody on Snowfall is a humanitarian? Even Alton, who was the most community oriented, used drug money as a means to an end before wising up, there are clearly no good guys. I could argue that Manboy was killed for trying to find the plug, but not for the turf war because Franklin took part in it as well. Also, it was part if the gang violence of the time period. It would have taken place with or without Franklin (which is why Leon told him to stay out of it). Also, he did lose his virginity to Tanosse. It took place prior to the series. Claudia mentioned it to him while she and Louie were together before Louie cracked her head open (season 2 episode 1), which is why he easily opens up to her when they reunite. He and Jerome also briefly discuss it at some point, but I'd have to look back to see when that took place. I've watched this series several times (to write these videos) I don't just make up stuff without proof.

@@JaneforShort the title of your video is, literally, “Manboy is the good guy.” I don’t think there’s a single redeeming quality to his character. Every move he makes is motivated by self interest, and it’s clear that he would’ve attempted to rise to power and eliminate his competition regardless of the actions of Franklin Saint.

It's a misnomer lol. You could for sure argue that he's not redeemable. I was just arguing that he's better than Franklin, so the good guy amongst the two.

@@JaneforShort I never assumed you were arguing that Manboy was altruistic to begin with and that's not what I was implying when I said his "redeeming moments" weren't done to serve some altruistic purpose. I am simply stating that he was only concerned with his own self-interests and anything that he might have done to help others was merely incidental in advancing those interests-he certainly never did anything to benefit anyone else when it was counterintuitive to achieving his own interests, like Franklin did. For that reason, I cannot consider Manboy to be the "lesser-of-two-evils" either. While Franklin was a monster for murdering his neighbor and beating his own father like you mentioned, at least he was still concerned with the welfare of those around him and risked everything to protect them when he had no incentive to intervene or when it would've been wiser for him and his business not to. For example, Franklin: used his political leverage to have Officer Nix placed on desk-duty when he threatened his mother; set aside his conflict with Andre to search for Mel in the previous season and did not snitch on her when she shot him in retaliation for her father's murder; and refused to sell out Leon to his rivals when it would have been in his best interest to do so. Although his confrontations with Mel, Leon, Louie, and Jerome at the end of the season seem to suggest that Franklin might become even more cold, calculated, and self-centered than Manboy ever was, I am currently unconvinced that Manboy was the good guy between the two.

Leon is definitely my new favorite. I really liked him in the most recent season. Considering his background, I didn't think he was gonna go the "for my people" route, but I really like and appreciate that he did.

Oop! 🤐 I'm starting the season this weekend. Can't wait 😤

This is exactly what I was saying. Glad we agree.

@@JaneforShort I think we agree. As a Black man, my thing is/my fear is that a lot of people -- including a lot of Black people -- are thinking of Franklin or even Manboy as some type of hero. Snowfall is a great show but it doesn't have any heroes.

I agree.

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@@JaneforShort fuck yea thank you this shit slaps

Skully being the "most virtuous" is definitely more interesting than thinking that Manboy is the good one out of him and Franklin lol

I leave a lot of context out because I assume people that find these videos have seen the show already. I definitely understand the context, I take a lot of notes on this show lol. I didn't really go in depth about my thoughts on Andre, but I understand why Andre wanted to go to war. He watched his daughter become a basehead because the boy next door, that he helped raise, started selling rock (and had been banging his daughter). Then, he watched half of the neighborhood become addicts too. Andre was always trying to make a positive impact on his community. I just think Franklin should have tried harder to end that beef. I understand what Franklin did, but that doesn't mean I agree. I also think it would've been cool to see an Andre and Franklin rivalry for an extended period of time. Like watching them plot against each other (like they did with Manboy) I think that would've made good TV lol.

@@JaneforShort those are legitimate reasons to be upset with the neighbor kid, I just wish the same way how you laid that information out while making your point, even though we’ve both seen the show, I wish you afforded Franklin that same luxury lol I should’ve left a comment on your Franklin video tbh but you mentioned this one in that one and I ended up here cause it sounded interesting but when it comes to everyone else you point out why what happened happened but with Franklin it’s like nope he did all these things he did wrong intentionally and without legitimate reason. Framing matters when making points, like calling Andre “his neighbor who helped raised him” and not “the police officer next door who watched him get unlawfully choked out by another cop” or “the police officer who’s gonna get killed anyway for interfering with the CIA” paints his murder very differently. They would’ve had a fun back and forth but Andre thought he was untouchable and got touched, that’s how those rivalries end one way or another he just didn’t do anything to protect himself the way a cop would need to to survive this type of war. Those are just my thoughts on Andre tho. I was really more triggered by what you said about Kevin and Mel, I was like “damn this nigga can’t win for losing” lol

Because it's F Franklin over here. Jk. I knew I was biased, but I honestly didn't realize that I was coming across SUPER biased like that. However, if I just called Andre "the cop who watched him get choked out" (I have to be careful when I watch that episode btw) would be biased too. I knew that disliking Franklin was unpopular, so I tried to lay out all of the legitimate reasons why I dislike him so that I don't just sound like a contrarian, but people still got hella made at me about it lol. I'll definitely try to lay out both sides in any future videos. Idk I'm just not very sympathetic to Franklin, at least not compared to all of the people around him. Based on the trailer for the new season, I'ma dislike him even more soon. He has a Pimp Juice vibe in the trailer lol

@@JaneforShort that “F Franklin” mentality is fascinating when you defend your stance, which I can’t lie you do do, so I ain’t even mad at that lol I’m biased too that’s why I had to hop to bro defense lmao and that cop scene genuinely felt like I was watching a scary movie like I had to look away 🤦🏾‍♂️ but at the end of the day it’s some points your making that I don’t think anyone else doing these analysis’ really took the time to unpack so I appreciate that for sure, it’s refreshing even if I don’t feel the same. I can’t wait for what you have to say when season 5 drops

Mel was Mel before she ever started messing with Franklin @@ThisThatTheThird He doesn't drink or do drugs but she did.He was gone for a long time while she was already sneaking out, drinking & doing coke.She's also the only one close to him that's a crackhead,everybody else listened to him about how addictive it was plus that wasn't his crew at the party.If he's the only reason anybody smokes crack everybody in his circle should be a crackhead.Free base was always a thing & anybody into coke would've known what it was.Mel again,was already doing coke.js He gets the blame for her because he protected her supposed to be good girl reputation & because everybody loves sending him on a guilt trip.

You spitting.

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Manboy isn't there to see that though. To Manboy, it seems like Franklin cares more for Leon than setting things right with Manboy and doing good business. I'm sure that he saw Leon leave his people alone later, but in the moment Manboy has nothing else to go on. Also, I am a fan of Manboy.

Yes he is!

Manboy a snake they def was trippen with this video …he’s just more charasmatic to mask his intentions

Absolutely not

I'm pretty sure it was Tanosse. He mentions it after Claudia brings her up in season two (I believe). She says something like "Your girl Tanosse was in here" but she doesn't show up on screen yet. After that he says in more certain terms that he lost his virginity to her. I don't remember what he said or what season/episode it was in though. I have no reason to make stuff up, but I understand if you don't believe me, I didn't post proof of that statement lol

BOY STOP. it's the best animated series of all time. I got two copies of the series on DVD just in case. Lmao

Okay, but why is that your icon? Lmao. Now I'ma watch Player's Club for the billionth time.

@@JaneforShort cant forget about MYRON

I completely agree. No one is completely good or bad. I just wanted to express my opinion on Manboy and I like debates lol. I don't necessarily think that Alton's all good either 🤷🏿‍♀️

@@JaneforShort oh for sure I enjoyed your video i was just more expressing on that’s one of the things that makes this show so good. There really are no heroes and villains just a lot of regrets lol

YES. We're All just waiting for their inevitable downfall. I don't think there will be any victors when it's all said and done.

Honest ??!! 🤔🤔🤔

@@payton2297 Well, he did kick whatshername out when Luey told him to in order to continue business

@@tonyhamilton7785 But He Lied About Wanda, Leon Said Himself, “He Lied To Us. I Shoulda Killed Both Of Em”

Good People Do Bad Things & Bad People Do Good Things

Interesting critique. I do agree that the show wants us to sympathize with Franklin. I think the writers make it clear that Franklin is the main villain (the CIA too, but we're talking about Franklin), but humanize him just enough. I think the majority of fans see Franklin's power and admire him for it, despite what he did/does to get it, which is why I gotta go to war in these comments lol. I said what I said about Manboy, but you raise some incredibly fair points.

He's the good guy because Franklin's worse. Franklin has killed two childhood friends, pistol whipped his own father, put a hit out on his aunt, etc. It's funny that you talk about Manboy using women and then call Louie a snake LOL. Franklin quit and Reed (aka the CIA) put Louie in charge. Was she supposed to say no and lose everything she worked for like Franklin did? Was she supposed to say no and risk disappearing like Alton? All in the name of LOYALTY? That doesn't even sound right big bro.

@@JaneforShort you forgot to mentioned reed went behind his back and forced franklin to quit. Kevin betrayed Franklin multiple times , and gave the recipe away to the Mexicans. Rob was a total liability, you think Manboy wouldn’t have done the same? he gave up his own man to Franklin and driver didn’t even do anything

I didn't forget to mention anything lol. Reed made Franklin quit and chose Louie to continue things, so how is Louie a snake considering what Reed is capable of? How come Franklin waited until he was in the middle of a park holding a gun to stop Kevin and didn't whoop his ass at the house? Manboy knew what kind of person Franklin was and gave his driver up as a sign of good faith. I wouldn't mind the fact that Franklin killed Rob if he wouldn't have made Rob kill his own friend right before that. What was the point of that if not for some sick sort of justice in Franklin's mind? Why didn't he have Peaches kill Rob's friend? Better yet, why didn't he do it himself? I think Manboy would have moved differently than Franklin. Manboy made it clear that he was on the side of his sister, but more than that, he was on his own side. If Franklin stopped talking about "family" for two seconds and realized that he only cares about himself, I would honestly like him more lol. He's a bad guy! And that's okay!

@@JaneforShort Reed didn’t make Franklin quit lol. Louie sought Reed out behind Franklin’s back and made a deal w him to buy her coke from him, essentially cutting Franklin out of the business. Claudia literally mentions that Louie gets big headed and bites the hand the hand that feeds her in the very first episode, this was just a clear example of that. Franklin couldn’t whoop Kevin at the house cos Kevin wasn’t at the house, he had to find out where Kevin was from the Mexican girl, and then he went there. He also specified that he didn’t shoot Kevin to kill him, hence why he said he shot him in the leg and was so surprised when Kevin died, cos most folks don’t know there’s an artery there and you can bleed out and die if shot there. Franklin made Rob kill his friend so that the police wouldn’t even know Franklin was there if things went wrong. If the police find the bodies and weapon, it will have Ron’s fingerprints and they’ll think that Rob killed his friend then killed himself or something. Your analysis videos are good but you omit details to lead a narrative and often come from a place of bias when discussing Franklin. Keep going, these are good.

I meant to put "made Franklin quit" in quotes. One of those "using your own logic against you" things, but I didn't do it right LOL. I'm still confused as to how Louie's in the wrong. Getting business through Franklin cut into their profit margins, plus Louie asked Franklin first. Reed got in Franklin's head and he went back to Louie talking trash lol. Also, Claudia was extremely nasty to Louie, which is what lead to their fight and Louie leaving/killing her. I really don't see this as Louie betraying Franklin because she made her intention to separate from him in order to retain as much money as possible clear. Dude, I completely forgot the order of events with the Kevin thing, but I still stand by my belief that if Franklin wanted to find an alternative, he could have. He seemed to be able to think and scheme his way out of everything else. That reasoning doesn't add up to me. He still killed Rob with his own gun. The only difference is that Franklin killed one person, instead of two. Rob's head still has Franklin's bullet in it, unless I'm forgetting something. I'm glad you think my videos are good, I appreciate that. But I don't omit things to lead on a certain narrative, RU-vid doesn't pay me enough to do that (they don't pay me at all). I take notes on things that I think are interesting and then I draw conclusions. I usually rewatch afterward to see if I missed anything and sometimes things fall through the cracks. I'm biased when it comes to Franklin because I don't like him lol, but I'll give credit where it's due. My discussion of the Bodies scene from season 5 is proof of that. In that scene, Franklin finally confronts his confliction over his past actions. I know Franklin being ruthless is part of the story, but I do think he's the villain until season six and he makes a tangible change or gets bodied 🤷🏾‍♀️ Thanks for commenting!

Leon a good guy

@@tonysnow2224 nah. Just Alton, even the cop became bad with how he handled Jerome.

@@tonysnow2224 Bad Guy With Good Intentions

We can see things differently without you assuming I like "high yellow fellows." Thanks for commenting.

wtf is u talkin bout bro lmao

@@imdamuthafukkinking1 he basically saying she liked the actor that plays manboy or the character in general so it’s clouding her judgment which I’m inclined to agree with lol

I wouldn't defend a character just because I like the actor. If this was the case, I would be caping hard af for Franklin. Shitty editing and all, these videos take a long time and Melvin Gregg ain't editing them for me lol. This and the Billie Holiday Story are the only things I've even seen him in. Yall are tripping.