Mano A Mano 2022 - Round 1 - Men's: Andy Anderson vs. Josh Borden 

The problem is he was doing very similar tricks exposing one weakness ("button masher"-style combos) and then a bunch of weird tricks that were not that difficult. If he did difficult tricks but they all were very different, no one would've minded

@@Stem667 That's just his strategies to win this round. So, it's fine he did that.

@@hardrockertoygraphy it's not just any sporting competition, there is some etiquette to it. Ideally you want to win gracefully, by doing difficult and varied tricks that look good, and not by exploiting the same trick type over and over, esp. if it is a weird looking trick. Although you might not agree with me and think anything goes.

@@Stem667I mean bottom line you play to win the game.

Andy can do all the traditional tricks too. The difference is freestyle. He brings it into all skating including his transition skating. He doesn’t see street, vert, and freestyle separately, and he is constantly creating. He is also by far one of the nicest people I have ever skated with.

Yep.. There's way too much variety on Mini available for only 1 try. And the commentary is annoying WOAAAHHWW an Indy Back D?!?!? 🙄🙄🙄🙄 ,, they can be enthusiastic without pretending everything is the best trick ever. Its disingenuous, along with the constant passive aggressive digs at Andy. this is exactly how he skates, what did they expect??

yeah but they were funny, a little of bit of salt for the weirdness of Andy... I couldn't agree more btw

Josh Borden main business is in the big bowl. 👍

Messi Ronald Andy

We got a hater

Big difference between skating for the freedom and skating competition bud

No, i think Mullen would have been a better sport, by and large. Most skaters know that they have some weird tricks they can pull out for an easy letter, so a gentleman doesn't do that crap.

@@SeeSawMassacre Agreed. Mullen is 🔥

@@SeeSawMassacre yeah like one letter trick that you know you got on your opponent not all five letters being, front smith to back smith to front blunt to revert to merlin twist. Still cool stuff tho

@@SeeSawMassacre "would have been a gentleman"? What?? Thankfully there is plenty of video showing Mullen doing exactly that. Do you think when Rodney was doing those tricks in the 80s anyone else could do them? Short answer, no. That's why everyone stopped to watch. Even the ramp skaters.

@@bellofortis2020 That was a different, let alone more serious, kind of competition. It's frowned upon to do really weird tricks in a game of skate because it forces your opponent to try them, and any dope can learn a few weird tricks that they know their opponent won't be able to do. In a run-style contest you can do whatever you want and it doesn't really affect your opponents. It's a lot different.

he really doesnt have to do this- it was for a single contest- he just 4 generations of flow everywhere else

There, fixed, thanks.@@rbeforme

He has to write it down because he does silly shit that is made up combinations of other tricks

@@Cameldactyl No need to hate, literally every trick is made up of another trick, we'd literally have 4 flip tricks if variations etc weren't a thing

@@TheJollyAlex to look at these tricks and say they are not silly contrived nonsense tricks is insane man. Old heads out here just dick sucking Andy because of his mid life crisis style grinds he concocts.

Never heard of Josh and been skating since 07

wouldn't of blamed him if he dropped in skated off the mini and right out the door shaking his head

Yeah and there is so much tricks in mini like that, even 3 tries would not shock me at all... This poor guys have one try to learn a new trick is not enough

Word, Slides and Grinds rules!!

and it says in the rules- last letter gets two attempts- wth

You know Matt Ramiller??

/thinks are cool/wants to see in reality

Button masher has never been a compliment buddy lol

@@rustyshackleford649 Oh okay buddy. thought Andy was the once who said it tho. So I don't think you're making any kind of a point.

*button smasher

Right. Tons of dudes stopped skating vert after McGill started doing mctwists for the same reason.

Eric Koston was doing semi-goofy multi-trick combo grinds back in the nineties. It's bad form to do really weird stuff you know your opponent has never done (or is too long to even remember) in a game of skate. Then you're forcing them to try it, even though they have no chance. And it's boring to watch.

Honestly moto freestyle is kinda lame to watch now, because every trick is a backflip combo. They need to set limits on the number of backflips you can get points for in a run, it would make it way more fun to watch.

I really really really hope you're not implying that people are being negative towards any in this specific contest because "they couldn't do it". Like I'm honestly really hoping that's not what you genuinely believe.

Lol. Dude nothing && did was progressive at all. The only thing difficult about his coping dancing stuff is remembering an exact order he's been practicing and you haven't. The guys a kook.

What cracks me up too is none of those tricks were easy in the slightest bit would love to see anyone replicate. That's what happens when you're different you get haters its a toxic thing in the community big time

People tend to hate on people they can't be compared to.. Andy is one of the most entertaining skaters alive. PERIOD.

Did feel like a spelling bee when Andy skated, and was about as watchable.

@@Ateamdeferred I assume you must really like spelling bees. Or is it the opposite, you just don't understand what's going on as both of these things happen?

hahaha, for mi thats a big ramp :(

it doesn’t matter where you do the trick on the ramp as long as you land it

they messed up the last turn. it was josh bordens offense turn.

@@dudemountain6689 Under coping is equivalent to going stationary or really slow in a flat ground game, yeah it could count just lame and could be better

@@dudemountain6689 Yep, all these silly qualifiers, smh

@@dudemountain6689 for me does a lot, really under the coping like in a bank a very crazy tech trick cmon play hard but play clean....... that was like a non popped trick on a flatground game for deffense its ok but not for offense

I don't think it is about doing simpler tricks but doing some simon says pattern Andy has worked on for a month and his opponent gets 1 try is silly.I think three letters happened from andy Coping Dancing. More importantly, watching coping dancing is kinda boring. I used to dig andy anderson but lately I get kinda crappy vibe from him and his skating but that might just be me.

Yeah the guy is practically cheating. The stall to stall motions aren't what's difficult but replicating the order when you've only seen the series done once and haven't even had time to memorize the order. In other words && is saying "repeat after me" and then recites a 50 digit number that he's memorized. It's not the numbers that make that difficult but the random unfamiliar order of them. At it's least it's extremely bad sportsmanship.

@@Ateamdeferred all I’m hearing is “it’s too hard to remember what you did” even with him telling them what’s he’s going to do even though they say he doesn’t have to. If it was cheating don’t you think he would’ve been disqualified?

@@seltic13 I respect that.

It's bad sportsmanship, and makes for a boring game. There's no way someone's gonna land a 5 trick combo they've never done before on defense, so you'd have to be a bit of a jerk to pull that. He's too competitive to be acting like it's fun and games and creativity; he's got a freaking notepad out. Any decent skater can invent hard-to-replicate, goofy tricks and do them in a game of skate.

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Lol best what?

He's a great skater, of course. I just think he's got bad sportsmanship. There's no way anyone's going to do a five trick combo they've never done before on defense- it makes for an uninteresting game.

its his etiquette, not his tricks

@@switchback3638 0 etiquette, just like when he was trying to claim he did the Indy to disaster when he whiffed it, jus all around cheeky and has zero shame.

Hey nice spoiler!😆 i like Andy and his skating, but i dont like when skaters just go for a weak point. Yeah yeah i know its a contest. I personally dont like when Andy just does combos he know the other guy cant do

I wouldent like it more if another guy just did stalefish combos because andy cant, would be just as boring

when i was a kid i also did weird tricks but to me its cheap and in any way "pushing the envelope", its just confusing dancing tricks to win a contest

Pushing the envelope is rad in a skate video…not in a game of skate. It’s just kinda lame that he showed up with a literal list of tricks that he assumes other people can’t do. Then at the end he says “but was there really a winner though?” Sure Andy, you weren’t being competitive at all. I like him but that was wack

Anytime someone says pushing the envelope they need to pick a different activity.

haha that'd be nice!

The new rule will be no more than five front smiths per trick.

"No more Andy wiggle shit?" 🤣

no more andy grinds

lmao is just matter of time

josh was getting creamed let him have it

Completely different scenario

@@sctim123 not at all. A fs 180 is not a fs grab. Not grabbing compared to grabbing is a straight up different trick, the fact he got a redo on defence when he straight up just didn’t do it is annoying. It’s funny watching josh get upset he’s nothing compared to Andy and he knows it

@@Atsah exactly! straight up different trick!

Oh, you ou put something extra in there compared to you missed doing a thing all together. Also we got the edited version, we don't know what conversation lead to those decisions. Maybe Josh thought that was the trick, while Andy possibly knew the trick and missed.

Totally not what was going on, but it was fun to watch :)

Lmao literally the opposite, Andy isn’t humble at allllll and josh has a notoriously bad attitude

Ai sim! hahahaha

yeah andy is really good for this style of competition, he can lay down combos all day long. gona take someone with a lot of power and big tricks to counter him in this format

Oh yeah, it super casual. I'm being sarcastic; he had a notebook.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

I love Andy but he never even had a tiny chance to medal at the Olympics lets be real. Even without his injuries he would've never made it to the finals.

@@kylehardy7519 If he put effort into "competition skating" he definitely would. Dude took like 2 days to learn how to do late kickflips over hips. People that go for the olympics are practicing day in day out to work on their routine and tricks for those types of competitions, meanwhile Andy is doing 80 different youtube collabs with random people having fun and showing what ACTUAL skating is. Andy entertains, the olympians PERFORM.

That's kind of the definition of ugly.

He's messing with a new deck shape

Me too about to buy his flight deck

A special, what?

That type of shit is happening in every game, they seem to just be cool with it.

Ya he could do some tricks that are actually possible for the other dude to do

There were no rules, so he abused it. Man's was competing to win. Plain and simple

Do you know what a contest is 😂

IT became not about the tricks but the order you have to do them win. maybe if they had to be sliding it would work. But too elaborate your example someone could literally not know how to push but work on 5 combos of 50-50- smith - feeble smith-50-50 - then 5-0 then sith, feeble, feeble do that in five different orders and if he didn't get he right order letter and win.

@@6omni6draconian6 so this works for you could literally not know how to push but work on 5 combos of 50-50,smith,feeble, smith, 50-50 - then 5-0 then smith, feeble, feeble do that in five different orders and if he didn't get he right order letter and win. plain and simple

@@seltic13 it would be on me if I didn't know to to do those tricks and lost? What was your point haha

He looks pissed

Really? The thinker!? That’s such a reach calling that a trick

@@gaspackgary1157 try it.

@@gaspackgary1157 Chill bro this ain't no Olympics, this is a fun tournament, nobody is tryharding like their life depended on it, let them kids have fun

I was on board until the "button masher" shit. I'd personally call that "coping vomit." You can detect there is a slight annoyance with the judges too, which is kind of funny. "Oh you're gonna spin like a drill."

@@ernestopanza4194 I like it, but 'coping vomit' is definitely a funny way to describe it. Makes me think. What would what coping diarrhoea be?

As someone that doesn't understand skate culture, what rules did he break? It seemed like both guys were doing tricks that were combinations of simpler tricks. Is there a limit to how many can be chained together?

@@KeithSchumacherPortfolio its bad etiquette. imagine a game of skate where one player is doing 3 kickflips on flat in a row then insisting the other player has to do the same. skateboarders dont respect that. "just do one real/cool trick instead of chaining small tricks together"

@@vgrepairs bro its vert skating you can get away with a lot more than just doing one simple trick

Yea I have to agree atleast with the no comply tailslide revert, Andy got to practice the tailslide and then the tailslide revert just to do the actual trick. 2 warm up tricks for the actual trick is bad etiquette

Yeah he looked annoyed 😑

Not sure bro, I find him kind of cocky... I don't know, a guy like Mullen seems very very chill and his little weirdness make him lovable, but the weirdness of Andy make him, for a lot of people including me, a little cringe...

DrZe Yeah, I don’t think he’s really as cocky as he can come off sometimes. I read it more as being uncomfortable socially, which I can’t really blame him for. The dude is pretty much a skate-hippie

@@drze7910 Cocky indeed. After he was getting some recognition I saw him in tampa. It was a few years ago. Dude was just in the way constantly trying to showboat his weird tricks. It's definitely cocky behavior masked with "look at how much fun I'm having."

@@meowforjasper2838 bro yes this 100% and most of it isn’t fundamentally hard it’s jus basic stuff but made to look harder by being different or something

Yeah it's more like how games of bike are played. I liked it. Sometimes in BATB someone will go on like a 20+ trick offense run lol

Mullen, Rowley, Hawk, Hosoi, Penny, Burnquist, Daewon, Gonz, Haslam, MULLEN!

theyre supposed to do tricks the opponent cant, that how it goes dude, i thought that was obvious

Winkowski won a bag full of games with the handplant variations Half the game and fun is watching Whole hearted attempts Keeps everyone humble , No matter your level of mini ramp prowess

I’ll start by saying I watched this game again and I’ll take back calling Andy’s win cheesy. Although all his tricks were pretty niche, but they at least targeted different skill sets. I would argue the point of this competition is to determine the best overall mini-ramp skater and hopefully have some exciting games in the process. I think targeting one niche skill set, like hand plants or crazy combo grinds, fails to do either of those things. It just shows that they’re competent with one skill set that no one else is practicing. That’s cheezy imo. Most game of skate competitions generally have an unwritten rule that you start the game off with the fundamentals and work your way up to advanced tricks. Imo that’s a decent way of getting an accurate idea of who the better skater is. Landing 5 tricks that you have on lock and are pretty sure that the other guy has never practiced before is not. Not to say the sort of “niche” guys are at fault, it seems to be the status quo to hit the ground running in Mano a Mano. I think it’s stupid though. Btw, I thought it was kind of obvious that the current ruleset/direction of these games are kind of missing the mark in terms of what this contest is supposed to achieve; as tons of other people are making the same complaint. ;)

idk, but it would be way more entertaining if he wouldn't resort to some of those more strange bumpy tricks he's frequently doing, like those stalls? ugly af. looks like they've been thought out by some normiekids from the skatepark.

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