My biggest problem with MEC is i still think there should be an accurate and updated list or chart of every single prop in this game, because every place i look has slightly differing info on the MEC parameters, so every time i wanna try out a new prop and play it to it's best peformance, i gotta scour the internet and test every single parameter that is recommended to me to see what is actually the correct combo to give me the best peformance over the course of the matches.
the thumbnail is so good i literally watched the video twice because of it. also very informal yet compact video explaining all the topics which is very hard to find
@@AdamTheEnginerd That one is pretty good as well, as is "Let's roll rate into it". But I like that this doesn't follow the format of "Let's [topic] right into it".
@@tylerfoley6644 I see it as ineffective in most situations thats why I was never a fan of doing it.. It may work out against less experienced players, having a bit of luck if they panic and make a mistake.. but an experienced player in more maneuverable plane and (now also) with more energy will easily disengage and turn back on your 6 in no time again, leaving no chance of a runaway now.. Im not saying its a completely useless tactic, but if there is any chance I could have better acceleration and gain energy advantage over more maneuverable chaser, Ill always prefer doing that rather than having a one-time kill opportunity in which I have to succeed or Ill end up dead. Definitely I dont believe OP to be very successful if he truly uses prop braking with 109 in dogfights as often as he says.. All in all, 109 is energy fighter, besides very specific 1v1 situations, it doesnt make sense to use this in 109 at all...
Does this change the threshold at which yellow temperature turns orange / amber? Because at 5:45 I saw your temperature go from flashing red almost instantly to yellow.
min 7:30 i found a solution for F8F-1B with that trick thank you so much. I played with WEP most part of match i managed to set the propeller pitch at 80% mixture at 90% and both radiators at 50% some time i had to open it but in a short period of time and after fights.
Weird tip: 68% prop pitch on 109s at under 170kph generates lots of power for some reason. Do you think you could dig into that and find why that happens??
Already did, might be the origin of that fact spreading haha: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ynJ33k6OMaQ.html Essentially too much power and too little prop area makes the blades stall at low speed. Going to higher RPM (prop pitch) alleviates the thrust loss, hence increase in thrust at 65-70% prop pitch.
I would use MEC but I feel like I dont know enough about aircraft in terms of engines and everything that has to do with it, I play just fine without although I encounter situations where some extra power would be useful. But like I said I dont think it for me
Apart from the initial climb, where I’d argue MEC makes a bit more of a difference (particularly towards the end of the climb once the non MEC-ed engine goes yellow and I need to drop throttle without MEC) if a percent or two difference in speed means life or death then I’ve made a mistake. I wouldn’t sweat it. I use MEC because I’m lazy and would rather not worry too much about overheating but most people I know, including some amazingly successful flyers, don’t bother with MEC. I use it as standard but there are plenty of planes such as the F6F, corsairs and thunderbolts where I don’t bother. Partly because MEC is more complex with those planes (some actually use mixture, for example) but largely because they have limited WEP anyway, and I’d rather WEP didn’t run out at an important time so I tend to use a lot more non-WEP sections to my climbs anyway. In testing the Corsairs and F6Fs have something like 8 minutes WEP only, so I might use 1/2 of that for the initial climb and then save the rest for emergencies. This tends to equate pretty well on most maps to when the engine needs to be cooled anyway, so I just leave everything on auto. Unfortunately every plane is a bit different. This would be OK if it were documented by Gaijin and there was some consistency in naming but this isn’t the case. Pitch means RPM on most, but not all planes. This really should be easy information to find but.... Gaijin.
I also feel and think its most important at the start of the match in the climbing phase depending if it works for an airplane or not getting that extra boost in climb gives you quite an advantage in altitude.
@@julianmorrisco I agree. I guess most German Planes especially the ones with MW50 have "unlimited" WEP coz it lasts for the whole mission time which is mostly 1-2 hours. :) Curious about other nations with own designs like Britain, Japan Italy & SovietUnion :)
I could never get the overlay to work over the game screen, it always opens up only on the browser and never shows on the game window like in this video
@@apaxx3950 turn the overlay on, go into the overlays settings and make sure the osd type is set to 'WTRTI'. then, once its open, open the game settings. go to options -> graphics and set 'Mode' to 'Fullscreen window'. hope that helps
Adam, If I'm not mistaken, auto engine controls will switch SC gears at the correct alt. So going into cockpit view and switching quickly to auto and back while keeping an eye on the relevant dial (i.e. Manifold pressure) when approaching the switch alt, will allow you to see exactly when to switch gears, as the auto mode will do it and you'll see the hand in the dial jump to a higher pressure.
Hey Adam, can you explain why my plane's rudder keeps twitching left to right all the time? I tried high alt, low alt, definately not turbulence. I looked up on the forums, no it's not my fps or net lag. It just started recently after today's patch, never happened before. I have mouse aim, have disabled all the instructor function that can be turned off and I'm flying IL-2 but it's happening with all my planes. Sorry for wall of text, my bad. Nice video btw, i don't do full sim and people may call us tryhards but the little tweaks really help in a 1 vs 1 engagement. Cheers !!!
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vDcaG_QTgYQ.html is this it? messes up my aim. Edit: sorry bad quality, used my phone but atleast u can see the aim shaking and my ping and loss to notice this wasnt due to internet quality.
Play Simulator battle, in simulator you will take control all of the plane instrument (the basic such as elevator,trim,pitch,rudder,etc)... I was same like you (arcade and realistic) but when i started playing sim (until now) i finally got 100% control of my aircraft, sim battle is hard but you can practice to master it... If you still not sure even after u tried the sim battle, go to the replay tab (a tab, u can see ur battle replay on there) then see your last replay (the sim battle replay) ~cheers
You can write a python script to automate most of these MEC procedures. It seems like the goal is just to maximize thrust at any point without exceeding temperature or RPM limits. Easy to code.
Thanks for the useful video Adam. I play on PS4 and I want to start using MEC now. I do have a keyboard plugged in that I use for a few basic commands but I want to bind controls for MEC. What are some keys I could use for these adjustments? Something not too complex. Most of my buttons on the keyboard are not binded to anything so there's alot of options. Thanks Adam I hope to hear your reply soon so I can improve my flight performances.
Then there are 109s and Spitfires engines that without MEC get into red immediately, but with MEC can WEP forever and feel like UFOs lol... Great video as always Adam!
Spitfire IIs just delay grenading their engine with MEC WEP lol, but it's definitely way more preferable than fully burning the engine out in the middle of the fight. The Merlin Spits are quite okay with MEC, still not completely perfect if you WEP too much, but it can WEP pretty comfortably. 109s basically have infinite WEP, hooray for them (as do 190s). Griffon Spits... don't *quite* have infinite WEP, but basically enough to last most of the primary and some of the secondary engagements.
Hey adam, awesome video and thanks to all the videos you made/make i'm finally able to be useful to my team in air rb. I just wanted to know what you use to show those Angle of attack, thrust and other parameters on the top left of the screen (not the in-game one, the ones below them). Is that some kind of mod or something?
My pleasure, glad they are useful! I use an overlay (also in the description): Overlay: forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/483838-warthunder-real-time-information/
@@AdamTheEnginerd Thank you so much for replying man. I was just wondering, is it safe to use? I mean can it be recognized as a third party addon and make you eligible for a ban or something?
Not quite sure I follow, but on Allied planes they give a target RPM and the governor changes the pitch to achieve that RPM, in contrast to German props which take direct control of the pitch angle when you change prop pitch.
could you explain what is the difference car's rpm and aircraft rpm and why my car doesn't overheat when i drive full power and approximately 4000 rpm in highway?
Good question! First off, smaller engines tend to run at higher RPMs, and an aircraft engine is much bigger than your car's engine (hopefully), so you can't simply compare RPMs. Then there's the question of cooling flow. In cars, speed and power are more closely related than for aircraft. For example, the most difficult thermal case for an aircraft is climbing at full power due to the relatively lower speed and high power requirements. At full speed on the highway, you'd have a lot of airflow for cooling. If you tried to mimic an aircraft climb in a car, for example climbing at a very steep gradient at full power, I suspect your car could not sustain that for long.
always looking for this kind of information, you and only a very small amount of youtubers are just phenomenal at what you do! thank you for all you do
Could u pls help me I fly a fw190 A5 and i get fucked every game I try to make them overshoot but the just kill me first or just don’t overshoot. I also get outclimbed everytime. They always risk the stalks to get guns on me and it works. Do u have any Tipps.
AdamTheEnginerd what altitude would u recommend to stay at? And what should I do after a merge. And thx for the Tipps I’m gonna try them out tomorrow love ur vids, they help me very much.
It's debatable what "best" is. Closing rads will be good for running away or to catch someone, while open will be better for climb to not overheat. A script wouldn't be able to judge that.
@@AdamTheEnginerd If such a script could get data from localhost, maybe it could use IAS to judge which settings to apply, open radiators and higher revs below lets say 350 kph, and lower rads and revs when above that speed Maybe something like pyautogui could help ??
MEC makes the Hs129 ALMOST fieldable; you feel like you actually get to do something that effects the gameplay before you get shotdown by stray .50cal bullet that grazed the tail section
Regarding the overheating threshold lowering: Is this a function of temps being too high too long, or simply because of altitude? There was a 2km difference when you showed the two examples. Higher altitude = lower boiling point?
The cooling system is pressurized and has no outside port, so the outside temperature is not relevant in this case. You could stay at sea level and the same thing would happen.
I found it useful even just for the explanation of gradual damage done by overheating. I always WEPed to red numbers and thought that no damage is done unless engine starts to get yellow. By the time the damage was done I am already in the battle, so too busy to notice numbers get red at different point. Also not great to damage your engine even during initial climb, before somebody even shoots at you.
Very nice and informative video. I've played air RB for years but I only used MEC for radiator control. I'm looking forward to test 'the airbrake' tonight.
Do you have an updated MEC guide? The one on the forums has planes missing from it that are in the tree now, I also think many of them are out of date or have changed. Sometimes it seems to do very little.
Mixture isn't really modeled on most aircraft, you're either at the correct mixture with maximum power, or you lose power if you're outside the correct mixture range.
@@AdamTheEnginerd yea but the problem is i dont know what's the correct mixture range. I read something on the war thunder wiki that you would use lower percentage at higher alt and higher percentage at higher alt but idk
@@Unused91287 Lower mixture at higher alt*. Like I said in the video, for most planes you can just leave it at 60% until 6km with no loss in performance, and reduce after that.
@@AdamTheEnginerd it comes down to my bad english. Is high drag good or bad. And i cant understand the pitch part too. I totallyget the radiators part. I dont get the propeller airbrake part
When i used to play warthunder i find that the BF109 is easy to manage with MEC but the P47 and P51 will out perform the bf109 in MEC since the OIL and RADIATORS the p47 and p51 have the same control
So I’m on Xbox, and I don’t have enough buttons to play air rb or sim. I was wondering if you would recommend a Thrust,aster t16000m joystick throttle and pedals. Thanks!
AdamTheEnginerd what I meant by extra buttons is that the control only has a certain amount of combinations, and I only have 80% of the necessary things binded... I don’t really want to spend a ton on a pc, what are your thoughts on the thrust master?
I’ve just spent the best part of a day to establish the J21 works best ( for me- flying this plane, I’d rather suck up the few percent absolute performance hit to have an extra 60-100 HP everywhere else, but that suits how I fly in the plane) with 75% prop pitch, and 40% radiators. I should have just waited until this came out :D
i remember that using wep in aec in the past caused closing the radiators to maximize the performance, even when overheating. and lowering throttle to 100% were opening them, but dunno how it works today
Imma comment this before I play the vid. I feel like I have a performance advantage when I fly MEC. I never tested if there is one. I just went with whatever made me feel confident
About learing about mec- i was a very impatient player when i started learining mec (as i moustly use it to maxmimalize cooling between engagment, climbing, breaking off, and beter controll during landing- I would turn it off during fights) but after i started playing with it this one extra routine made me pay attention more to my exact positioning as I gained moust about how plane phisics should work from greg's channel (guy explains how tech back ten worked and how they where designed - moustly p-47's but also mustangs, bf109s, zeros, fw190s and occasionally about some british planes - i cannot recomend the guy enough. )
Me asking on r/War thunder subreddit: "Please help I don't know how to MEC with 109, I always get overtaken and out climbed by other players" Everyone: Just f**ing git gud kid, get banned! Adam Nerd the 514 Engineer: Don't worry Rico, I came down from Heaven to teach you and everyone how to MEC on 109. Thank you God.
@@AdamTheEnginerd according to the forum page and automated engine control, I-185 M71's WEP mode listed at 2300 RPM, but at 100% pitch I got around 2500 RPM insead. I dont know if its a bug or a feature
@@AdamTheEnginerd Got it, installed it and everything but honestly i got no god damn idea of how it works with the RTSS so i tried, but couldnt make it work.. *Cannot establish connection with the update server*
Hi Adam, what happen to the propeller pitch when you decrease throttle in automatic mode? I believe it decrease with the throttle in order to avoid the air brake.
I never knew that going into the orange would de decrease maximum temperature, that explain why in the itp m1 there were games where I almost stop being able to turn on mec or worse. One question tho, does it reset when you land/repair?
It definitely resets when you repair. I think being low on throttle and hence temperature also adds temperature resistance with time, but I could be wrong.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Really that's so wierd when I switch to the 1+2 magneto position I accelerated to max speed. kept bringing the pitch down until I can't accelerate any further. I turn the mags to 1 or 2, and plane slows down? Mind you Haven't played in a while unless they fixed that in a patch?
@@projenitor2387 I'd like to see what you did to test. What I'm saying though is that automatic magnetos is always both on, so you only lose performance if you go manual and only use 1 magneto.
