Mapping the Enterprise's Route in Star Trek TNG 

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I do have theory that Kirk primarily reestablish contact with Federation colonies, after Klingon War. During that chaos diplomatic links with many regions inside federation space shattered. And as such Heavy Cruisers needed check them before restoring communication. It is why he was so many times near Federation infrastructure and not actually charting deep space. Recent was also explain why everyone is so triggery. Picard situation was way different. Enterprise was basically a diplomatic ship. What job was to fly between Federation and neutral colonies inside Federations space and do some speeches. It is one of the reasons why Enterprise has such comically weak shields. They did not expect major threats. I think charting political situation during Star Trek Enterprise would be great idea! Though show was made in random way, it show geopolitical situation near Earth, before the Federation. So it actually provide insight in actual Structure of Federation, we do not see in the show. So I put my thoughts in next post...

Continuing Federation structure during NX era: First of we do know that Federation, Romulan Star Empire and Klingon Empire do share border. It is believed that Romulan Empire partially enter Delta Quadrant as they faced Borg before everyone else. At the same time Klingon's control huge portion of Beta Quadrant (most distant part) and here is the interesting part. While majority of Federation is also in Beta Quadrant, Earth is actually in Alfa! What was mostly not explored even in 24'th century! Later on that. While Earth is used as Prime Meridian in navigation, it actually make more sense for Vulcan saving this purpose, as Federation inherited star charting from Vulcan's. The only logical solution for this issue is if Earth and Vulcan are basically on the same line. For other reasons it make sense that Earth was located closer to galaxy core and formally was part of Vulcan domain, while Vulcan was bit further. I do believe that Vulcan domain was already massive and extend from Earth "north" up to corner where Klingon and Romulan space connect. Though the exact point was neural region as we know from SNW. Vulcans were major local Empire in the past and faced both Romulans and Klingons. I hope it is logical. It make most sense that Andorian domain was between Vulcan (south) and Romulans (north-east). With Earth being west from that. All three planets Earth, Vulcan and Andoria were relatively close to each other. Fact that Andorians and Vulcans are in state of Cold War, due to plot from side of Romulans make this most likely answer (Archer encountered them fast, but this situation would explain why not before). Andorians were also heavily militant, justifying why Romulans didn't attack them before hand. Speaking of that Cronos is also close to Vulcan border. It is why Archer could visit it in relatively short time. Here is important part! Despite what most map show. It make most sense that Delphic Expanse was located near galactic core, not south from Earth. Galactic core is the region full of anomalies and powerful fallen empires. It make sense to be there. Anyway, it may be not obvious from the show, but Earth is border region surrounded by pre-warp Earth (in old setting, Warp 1+ in new) colonies so it is why Starfleet was such exploration focused, despite not having fastest warp drives (Kirk reach center of galaxy only in late 23'th century). It is also where Romulans sneak in moving behind Andorian space. This operation was high risk, because Vulcanoids do not like operate in abnormal regions. Worth to note that it was probably where Archer bump on Romulan mine. This would not happen if it would be known Vulcan border. Anyway, Xindi were not absorbed into Federation until 24'th century (due to war with Earth) and I also believe other furry races like Caitans, Kzinti, Avians and Scorr should be somewhere there. But not having major states. Anyway. It is believed that Tholian space was west-south from earth. Cutting of uncharted space around Earth, from rest of Alpha Quadrant. Archer encountered them Early and they were extremely territorial, blocking future exploration in the area. Until Xindi and other Federation members open access south. It is also why Ferengi and Cardassians weren't discovered until late 24'th century. Despute being located near Earth. I believe they space was located below Tholian space. Tallarite empire was located somewhere south from Vulcan. It is where majority of exploration of Federation, happen during 23'th century. When border region of Earth during 22'th. Federation was mostly stagnant in 24'th century. I hope it make sense why I think that?

Random note. Considering that Edo God is clearly a member of Machine Race, this would place whore region rather near galactic core. As it is where T'Kon AI tend to hang in (and also where Archer bump on automatic shipyard, what also was part of Machine Federation). This area is also from where V'Ger and Cetacean Probe come. As side note, I believe that Probe was lying about they owners and wanted to verify if sea mammals were not its creators (I remind that Dolphins are sentient specie in Trek universe and even serve as equal officers of Starfleet). After shocking discovery that they may be related to pesky Hew-Mons.

Well this puts a new spin on the TNG era of the Federation. Though while the Federation claimed the space, I wonder if they had actually gone to the lengths of exploring it's own territory enough to know what was in it...

I actually laughed out loud when he said that haha!

Shut up, Wesley!

I did as well ​@@DonMarges

I mean, y'all laugh, but... damn near...

@@charlestaylor253 It really was one of the best things for Wesley's character development.

The Federation: always frantically jumping around like an elephant frightened by a mouse.

..and if you read the novels and comics became a flying diplomatic conference center during the Dominion war (excluding a few critical battles like Betazed ) though important conferences like getting the Gorn into the war. That mission made an amazing comic.

"Can you remember when we used to be explorers?"

It does tend to end up that way with Star Trek. I suspect the execs are scared that people won't like a show with actual exploration and discovery of aliens.

​@@JDEhlertWell, the producers did ask why a show about space exploration takes place in places other than Earth so much.

Does kinda seem unfair for the Romulans. The Federation gets to expand out into unexplored space as much as they want, the Star Empire is stuck with what systems and resources they already have. I'd be pissed too.

@@Majima_Nowherethe Romulans didn’t want to expand.

Can you imagine if the planet in federation space doesnt want to join the federation but to make its own...union and get others to join its union. Would the federation cede its own territory? Now imagine present day on earth, but instead of contiguous bordered nation-states, there are only city-states and federations of city-states or empires of city-states (with city-states being analagous to planets). Imagine the EU map covering like it does today, but upon the EU making contact with the Republic of Vienna, Vienna decides it wants to make its own EU. The EU says it cant because they already made the maps and theyre in theirs. Vienna says they never got the memo. The EU says that if they took an interest in international politics and traveled to the kingdom of Trondheim they would have seen the notice.. 😂 🇪🇺

And every city state with its own mandatory haircut.

I thought it was just the plot holes resulting from us viewers being way bigger nerds / pedants than the writers🤷‍♀

LMAO kinda yeah

There should be a 3d mapping software. That would be great.

@@Kaede-Sasaki I'm sure we'll see it eventually.

i have to wonder in which direction on this map would point towards galactic center/the Milky Way Hub? I'm assuming it's many LY's off this map, but just kind of a general idea of the orientation would be interesting....I mean, Kirk went there once in a fever dream and asked an alien posing as "God" the 2nd most ultimate question. also, where's the barrier at the edge of the galaxy in relation to this map?

@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 the way the map being used here is laid out, the center of the galaxy is to the north

it wouldnt be too hard to map the gamma quadrant, it is just the dominion after all (plus that map in the search pt1 helps)

Perfect for a RU-vid Short

Realistically, it would be a lot of back and forth between those three locations, but they did go other places as the show progressed. Plus, there's that time Sisko went to Cardassia in a sailing ship!

Also everywhere they went in Runabouts and the Defiant

Chance for an April's Fools joke.

Close season, Voyager visited various arms dealers to restock the torpedo bays.

the straight line route that looks like a curly wurly!

I bet it looks like Duck Dodgers' route he charted to get to Planet X

​@@christopherwall2121 yeah travel is a bit complicated in the 24th and 1/2 century

@@kiers1970 And coffee...

He a dirty boi

Yee haw, John-Luck!

...Picart? Oh no...oh no, no, no, no, no...

Thought it was Pickerd!

@@InAMinMaths Might've been. :-)

If they had Star Trek: West Wing you'd see the defence cuts. They have 5 shells they hang around to scare off enemies (that's why they blow up when a bug hits them) and 2 real starships (the other real starship is of course that Excelsior-class ship to use when the enterprise isn't around and they really really honest to Q can't Make it back in time. They just put different labels on the ships to throw off the enemies into thinking they have more ships. 😂

Makes me think of the opening scene in Generations when the Enterprise-B was "the only ship in range" to rescue the El Aurian refugee ships but the Enterprise was only going from Mars to Pluto and back. Like, really? There wasn't a single other Starfleet vessel in range to rescue two ships in the _Sol System?!_ Get outta here with that plot contrivance nonsense.

Especially as Spacedock 1 had existed well before the Enterprise-B and we had seen ships patrolling the Sol System in Star Trek IV as well. There should have been at least a dozen ships better equipped to rush out there. Then again the Enterprise-B which had left port without the tractor beam installed, probably to meet the date for the big shakedown cruise, so maybe Starfleet was already getting lazy by then.

@@zerrodefex maybe. Though I get the impression that, with the press and "celebrity" passengers, that particular voyage was more of a publicity stunt than a real shakedown cruise, since seemingly half the ship wasn't installed.

Oooor that the Flagship of the Federation might be one of the busiest ships by the nature of being THE perfect representation of the Federation.

Gardening with Garak 1.1

@@ThutUPB And the massively popular sequel: "Hemming trousers with Garak 1.3"

Here's a free bit for Lower Decks: Someone on the holodeck going through Worfs program fighting the skull guy etc, and then out of nowhere barrels drop from the sky that you have to avoid.

"THIS BARREL HAS NO HONOR!"

Thats not what Tasha said lol you know how Klingons have rough stuff times 10 going on in their mating rituals, yeah that's the joke lol

Thank you!

I had to look them up, if that was an intentional omission, *chefs kiss*

I don't remember but they may have made it to the Badland's for patrol before coming back during that episode.

Or just call me snowclad, amazing how that actor turned off and on the side effects of a certain compound of misuse that made that show possible to have a Dr Fraizer Crane as we know him and that show, glad he fixed that though.

Not to be a difficult but that would be Dr. Frasier Crane to be correct.

or, they're astronauts on some sort of star trek 😎

@@dan1216 *audience groans. Frakes laughs his way to the bank*

And there even have been Wars in these Stars! Hm..that felt odd....

In Enterprise they cover distances that should take weeks or months in just half a day, or two days. The writers don’t really care about the warp speeds given, at the end of the day

I was just going to make a similar comment haha! There is no regard for how wasteful and expensive (dilithium-wise) their routes are lol It seems like the Enterprise would go from the edges of Federation space out by Tholian space only to have them go to the Romulan Neutral Zone a few episodes later. I get that having the Flagship near Romulan space as a deterrent makes sense and explore the edge of Federation space within the Beta Quadrant. I also get that it's just a show and distances and timelines take backseat to the plot, but still...You'd think the writers would just have them explore the boundaries of a specific part of space, I'm sure there would have been enough writing material for 7 seasons still, not including episodes like Best of Both Worlds and Redemption where the Federation needed its Flagship for combat. I remember one episode of DS9, "Valiant", where the one crewmember of the U.S.S Valiant mentioned that the other ship of Cadets were circumnavigating the Federation and it would take "years". Weyoun also mentioned how vast the Federation is. Also, in various throwaway lines in the shows and maybe in non-canon places it was mentioned that the Federation couldn't just overwhelm the Cardassians during their war because their ships were so spread out that they couldn't make it back to the front-lines in time.

its the issue with quantity or just 80-90s shows... sure TNG is the best- something like Expanse tv/ or book i havent read... just a few planets and moons can make endless stories... one doesnt need to travel the universe to create more stories... probably what they did in DS9 focuses and gives story more detail- though different time and after Gene Roddenberry

@@kaitlyn__L Because they are writers, not astrophysicists.

We also don't k ow exactly how much time passes between each episode. That doesn't fill in all the holes, but thinking each episode is only a week between in jniverse is a bit of a mistake to make. Could be several weeks or a couple of months before we arrive back with the crew.

Realistic movements would be efficiently patrolling in an unpredictable way, responding to problems. Which I suppose is implied by the show. They cruise around (sometimes having a drama episode), and only have major episodes when there is a crisis to respond to.

By learning from our mistakes, we sometimes help others to make fewer mistakes.

Curious

Thank you!

No problem. Thanks for making them.

I would love to, and yeah it would definitely be even harder! Lol

​@@OrangeRiver ...that's what she said 😏

​@@Aragorn7884 T'Lyn: "Are you making a phallus joke?" 🤨🖖

@@Kaede-Sasaki 🤷😉

Why go for harder, this probably took a couple of weeks to get to up loadable material idk, OrangeRiver is epic but only part human of course

I'd love to make a video on that!

​@@OrangeRiverI had Star Trek Star Charts a million years ago and I seem to remember that it had at least most of NX-01's journey mapped. Seeing how much of that is still supported in canon could make for an interesting spin on this type of vid.

Would love to do one for Lower Decks!

LMAO

Cool so, what a lot of people do is they skip the sponsored segment. They're there to pay the bills, it's not that deep

@@OrangeRiver Idk why my reply keeps getting deleted. I guess I'll try again and keep it short. I watch the sponsor segments to support you because if I skip them, that's less watchtime for you, meaning you get promoted in the algorithm less etc. But that doesn't mean I can't criticize your sponsors. I didn't criticize you. I'm happy you're getting paid. The product is bad, you are not.

Thank you!

Thank you!

Canonically the Romulans are really close to Earth, which is why humans come into conflict with Romulans so early before the Federation even is founded.

@@alexmckee4683 thanks for the confirmation, I’ve always wondered what the neutral zone looked like and where it was.

It’s a bit insane how big it is, they must have subjugated hundreds (thousands?) of races to conquer all that territory. We don’t see them in everyday Klingon society so we can infer they’re marginalised or controlled in some way. I don’t see how the federation could ever have made friends with them at that point morally.

I actually made a 3D map of key Star Trek systems (might make a video about it), and funny enough I found that Star Charts isn't that far off. A Some Romulan systems are above and below the galactic plane, so you could see how they would fit in a vertical "column" when looking top down :D

​@@OrangeRiver Make that damn video! And if you'd be cool with it/have the ability, maybe release it publicly? It could be a fantastic fan resource.

@trekker105 I'll have to figure out how to present it, and it's not really in a complete state, but I'll think about it for sure!

Thank you!

Haha, I considered including their destinations in the movies but decided against it.

Who says I kept my sanity? :D

Thanks Worf!

There is bad grammar! 😂

I'd like to!

Its a sign that says 'You are here.'

Thank you!

I think it's fair to say there's some z-axis distance between them as well. Keep in mind, the Ferengi were encountered briefly by the NX-01 in Enterprise. The fact that they had no more contact for 200 years is pretty silly, though.

@@OrangeRiver Exactly my point, their appearance in Enterprise just compounded the whole problem. Farpoint mentions them as though they're a distant empire steeped in rumor that the Federation has only just expanded far enough to discover. It would have been far better to place them as distant as the Breen, at least.

That would have occurred after "Chain of Command," most likely -- an oversight on my part ;)

Thank you!

Perhaps, and of course I just got through arguing the opposite for Deneb. It's hard to say!

:D

@@OrangeRiver What you did worked well :)

Thanks