Marathon - Already Canceled? 

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Bungie still owes me $100 for Lightfall. I will remember that travesty for the rest of my life. I might find the love of my life, have kids, experience profound feelings of joy, find contentment, and yet on my deathbed I will say "fk you Bungie, you owe me $100 for Lightfall"

It really needs to be shelved and take all that bandwidth to work on the current D2 and it's sequel

Sounds like Sony doesn’t want a repeat of Concord….

Marathon has become just like the new Marvel Blade film. It’s been in development for too long. Had too many hands on it & It’s lost its hype & anyone who was excited/cared about it, has moved on

Time will tell. I just don’t think Sony’s audience is going to appreciate PvP only games in this day and age. Especially with the price of gaming going up with all the essential goods, people are being more frugal. Games have to be immaculate, deep, and offer a variety of experiences to do well.

Cancel marathon. No one cares for an extraction shooter. Destiny was special...was..

I hope it's actually canceled. If it does come out and gets the Concord treatment, it'll look real bad on Sony.

If you don’t like Gambit, you aren’t going to like Marathon! Marathon will be Gambit on steroids

Make destiny 3 instead of trend chasing

Dear Pete Parsons, we don't want a Genshin, World of Warcraft or Minecraft style game. We've been hoping and waiting for Destiny 3 for a long time. If you're not sure of what we want, just ask us and we'll tell you, "Destiny 3 please".

I'm gonna laugh if it was in fact eaten up by Destiny...but at the same time I think it's a good thing if they focus all their talent back onto Destiny

I’m just glad we aren’t discussing the price of a plastic box lol

Far as I’m concerned the Bungie that was, is now dead. Or at least a former shell of itself.

I support a D3. I don't know if the engine can handle it but we need new everything. Might need a new engine. We need that D1 art style where everything is dark and gritty. We need the D1 artist for Titan armor back. D2 Titan gear is pathetic in comparison. D3 needs customizable ships we can fly around and do combat in. since Bungie is trying to make clans a thing, give us clan buildings or something. D3 needs FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE GUNS AND ARMOR! let us choose different arms and legs. Let us add attachments to the guns and a few armor pieces. Let us add textures to armor and not have it tied in with the shaders. D3 needs a new movement system so we ain't gotta swing a dumb sword around. Like a charged thruster ability for Titan, a gravity pull for warlock and super dash for hunters or something. You also can't forget about Sparrow Racing. In the down time between dlcs, just throw on a SRL championship tournament. This would keep it fresh and give players something to look forward to after the main content. Most importantly, we need trading and ALOT of loot to trade.

Marathon is NOT a hero shooter, Marathon does indeed have innovation and creativity behind it and im sorry but it's just not going to be cancelled... Personally I find it weird that people are hating on this game so hard before it's even released. Marathon is simply not comparable to concord, Concord was a hero shooter priced at $40 in a market of free to play titles, without any innovative mechanics and the lack of an interesting storyline and artstyle. Marathon is an extraction shooter with an incredibly rich storyline, cross-play and what looks like some interesting mechanics. This attention farming doom content is becoming tiresome.

Actually, I think they should release the game. Fairgame$ as well. Let these companies learn the hard way. Lets not act like we give a darn about Bungie or any of these companies that chase trends but won’t listen to player feedback or acknowledge player engagement. They’re going to have to come up with a different method for live service games.

I say this with love & respect Bungie needs to cancel marathon & 100% focus on *DESTINY*

Now Sony just needs to "sunset" Bungie CEO Pete Parsons and then probably we will see destiny rising again

I wonder if Sony are considering getting Firewalk involved in Bungie projects. It might be easier now with the clean out of the old guard.

We haven’t even seen gameplay and ppl want it cancelled, can we at least see it first💀

Though this a while ago, just before Concord was cancelled… Marathon should be a competitive PvP mode for Destiny. One that has it’s own sandbox, and requires you to develop and control a Combat Frame (fitting the aesthetic of Marathon). And sell hella skins. We already have the rogue features in Deep Dive, they just need to make it procedural like The Infinite Forest. And then they could repurpose other existing content too.. to create sort like a horde mode playlist

I don't think this game is going to do all that well, either.

To repurpose it as a game mode in Destiny would be a great idea. Especially if they swap it out with gambit. The playerbase has dwindled for D2 and rightly so, but it’ll always have an existing following that are easier to please than a new game on the market that potentially could end up like Concord.

The good ending is that they cancel Marathon and rebrand Twids to Twabs again (Twid sounds fucking stupid, I'm not calling them that, fuck Marathon)

We haven't seen any gameplay from either Marathon nor Fairgames. While I understand the sceptical outlook on the current live service situation, maybe it would be best to reserve judgment for now and wait for more information and gameplay on both titles. What if they actually play great? While the CGI trailers may be a starting point to get an idea of the direction of a game, it's not enough to reach an educated conclusion on whether a game should be canceled or not

that lawyer really said FU Destiny content creators.

I would want it to be canceled. Just make an FPS like the old ones and maybe have a collection of the previous Marathon titles. They re-released them on the Xbox 360 but now under Sony they can re-release them again on PS5.

Bungie should have made Marathon not just PVP, but also have an offline single-player campaign with a compelling narrative and options to play in co-op/co-op missions with its cool-looking art style. This would fill out Sony's portfolio, having a multiplayer shooter and a single-player campaign, that's not third-person like other PlayStation games. This is just an idea and an opinion.

I'm actually surprised if Marathon is cancelled. Bungie had acted like this was their next big thing and seemed soooo excited to pursue it.

I feel like this is coming from the perspective of someone who doesn't know about D2 or it's community. Most of what Destiny fans love about destiny is the customization. Finding your unique weapon, Your unique build, your unique fashion. If the next D2 expansion cones out and Bungie says "you can't use any of your current gear here's some heroes have fun" the entire community will riot and D2 will tank

As a D1 and D2 player for 10 years, I will not buy or play Marathon.

The problem with a theoretical Destiny 3 is that most games on that scale take YEARS to produce. Concord, which was a much smaller game than even Destiny 1, took 8 years to throw together, and hundreds of millions of dollars. Based on how Bungie was bemoaning their lost profits from TFS preorders, they don't have the funds to push into such a massive product. They don't have the manpower with the layoffs, having fired or relocated a lot of their people. They don't ahve the time, with Sony pushing down on them and urging them to make immediate profits. No money, no people, and no time, unless Bungie has been making D3 for years already and is just lying about not having it in production, they can't afford to make that direct sequel like people want. They put so much faith into Marathon that it NEEDS to succeed, or the future of the company will be in imminent peril. Based on everythying I've seen, that success will be fleeting at best, and at worst, it will be a colossal self-immolation a lot like Concord.

Bungie should’ve just remade the Marathon trilogy instead of burning who knows how much money on this. It’s pretty crazy just how incompetent modern Bungie is. Sony MASSIVELY overpaid for a studio that hasn’t been good since they made Halo (such a shame both Halo and Bungie fell off shortly after parting ways). It’s going to be entertaining seeing what happens with this project. If we’re lucky we’ll have a third Concord situation on our hands (I say third because the writing’s on the wall for Fairgame$ flopping as well. Although, I don’t think it will be as bad as Concord).

I understand the pov and dont totally disagree but i think they are in too deep at this point and have to release. There is always the possibility that marathon does for extraction what fortnite did for b.r. and break it out into the mainstream. We really have not seen what a triple A polished experience can do in the genre

I dont believe that. Destiny is a sink ship. Marathon is the only thing that Bungie have currently, potential flop or not. If they start a new game now it will take a long time for it to generate revenue. I don't think the studio would survive that.

Bungie has really backed itself into a corner. They neglected Destiny for too long in favour for other titles, and now the majority of the player base will just outright refuse to play Marathon as a form of punishment. They either have to swing hard into improving D2 or making a D3 or just give up and dissolve.

We don't need it

If they make Destiny 3, they'll make more money than Destiny 1 & 2 combined.

Bungie leadership should absolutely be $hi!!ing bricks right now. Destiny 2 is at its lowest daily player count in years and Marathon looks to be DOA. They don't seem to be able to put together a cohesive strategy to retain veteran players in Destiny or to attract new players interested in either Destiny or Marathon. That sounds like a company in distress to me.

As an OG marathon fan, I really hope so. It has been a dream of mine for years to see the original Marathon games be remade as single player powerhouses in the exact same brilliant way that ID software remade the Doom games for the modern era. And what really sucks is that I would not mind an extraction shooter that had this art style. I think it looks fantastic. The problem is the name when I saw it and they showed the logo. My jaw dropped because none of that footage screamed marathon. Literally none of it. It was not related. It's like showing footage of Call of Duty Black ops 6 in saying hey, it actually made this this is the new Doom game. If this extraction shooter was called something like far seeker or something and it was a new IP, I would have absolutely loved it. Now I feel like they're just throwing this name just to have a pre-established IP that banks on something and that Bungie is desperate. And if this game tanks, we're not going to see any amazing new thing related to Marathon for another decade later in which everything might have sunk so bad that Marathon might be owned by a different company that buys it from Bungie after Bungie falls apart. 😤

Sony really is unlucky with these live service studios. Firewalk, Bungie, Haven, Deviation. Everything is only creating flops and drain money.

i don't know how everyone is so clueless about this game. Half of the people talking about it think it's an overwatch clone which it clearly isn't going to be, the other half of people are just saying it's going to be garbage because "nobody wants a sweaty game like Tarkov". The only other extraction shooter people have to compare this game to is Tarkov which this game is obviously not going to be like. I can guarantee you this game isn't going to be as sweaty and hardcore as Tarkov is. I hate that people are saying the game should be canceled when we have no idea what it's going to be like.

They need to can it all. Bungie original devs are looking at the IP they originally started and thinking WTF is happening.

Bungie is in real trouble with games like Once Human and Forever Winter and honestly? They deserve it.

They need to let this extraction and BR thing go. I don't know why companies have such a hard time understanding that many casual players do not like single life gameplay loops and they will inherently attract sweatier players and thus create a feedback loop of better players pushing casual players away. Every single extraction game has gone like this and many BRs have as well.

I just want Ubisoft to remaster Tom Clancy’s Spintercell: Blacklist 😭😭 fucking loved that stealth game so much.

Flip it into PVE. Make it FPS cyberpunk Helldivers. It's an easy fucking fix that leans into Bungie's actual strengths of PVE design and storytelling, instead of their weaknesses of all things PVP. The people there now are not the people that slapped together a banger of PVP onto Halo 2 at the last minute, and a gutted AAA studio clearly won't devote resources into teams to actively combat PVP cheating. Helldivers and Marathon could be HUGE franchises going forward for Sony (a 1-2 punch of third person and FPS PVE extraction shooter RPGs) if they don't allow these studios to shoot themselves in the feet with their own backwards ass decisions (Nerfdivers & PVP).

Someone on twitter said the game is cooked - let's create a clickbait video.

Theres no reason destiny couldn't be an extraction shooter too, most the wars in destiny the players only get to experience through cinematics, to let the players activively participate in skirimishes would be really cool

I wonder if sony is especially furious with bungie right now due to all their live service initiatives flopping despite bungie "advising" these projects. I wonder if bungie was advising concord. I wonder if bungie ever suggested canceling concord or if they instisted on forging ahead. Remember how they "advised" that the last of us live service game be canceled? I wonder just how bad that had to actually be in order to warrant that--or rather, I wonder "IF" it was that bad. I wonder if they saw that game as a threat... >Inb4 "you're just schizo, bro" Now hold up, we KNOW that Bungie is not the best at reading what the audience/playerbase wants. We also KNOW that Bungie management can be an especially capricious and petty bunch. I wouldn't put it past them anymore to abuse the trust and power placed in them to quash "threats." Reminder, concord was pushed out and fairgame$ is being pushed out, but TLOU live service was cancelled before apparently a working title could even be made. Two obviously terrible looking games that would likely appeal to no-one--and in the case of concord, indeed did appeal to no-one--got pushed through. But a game with an already existent, very large, fanatically loyal fanbase got cancelled. Something doesn't add up here.

I like what you’re putting down. If they pursue marathon it’s going to be a costly flop

Reminder don't trust anyone until the game comes out or officially cancelled

I hope they don’t cancel it and they keep it as a live service PvP extraction shooter

That first trailer was so cool, before I knew it was an extraction shooter

You raise interesting points in this video - salvaging that work and reimagining it as a mode in established IP makes a lot of sense. Great work

Have Destiny absorb all the maps, dedicated servers, gun models and weapons from Marathon.

I actually wanted marathon to exist based on the previous series

These dumbasses had the winning lottery ticket in their hands and chose to let it expire with Destiny 2. Should've made D3

marathon was a failure from the start. they had zero ambition or direction. little to no marketing no interest from the community no info on the game or what its genre is even supposed to be. nothing.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I can’t help but believe this extremely risky strategy is a product of Bungie’s (frankly unearned) hubris. They killed their golden goose and have nothing but poor community sentiment to show for it.

“Interest was falling” because the game has been stale for years 💀

Can’t believe they’re putting destiny on the back burner for something that will probably flop

but bungie wrote the whole article on theirs page after the layoffs that they work on destiny, marathon and one more game with sony...

Cancel this game or else

Man, right when I was jonesing for another COD:DMZ kind of an experience. I was hoping that Marathon might fill some of that void now that DMZ is apparently in its death-throes.

I'm hoping the new CEOs continue the cleanup process from Jim Ryan's ill advised live service push. I believe Marathon should be next on the chopping block.

When bungie spoke of trying new things and directions this is what I assumed they would do. I'm sure the maps from other games they were making can be used for pvp and pve in destiny. Bungie already has existing crossovers with myth and Marathon in game. I think along with the lore they could actually make a bungieverse.

Just take Marathon and repurpose it into Destiny. Do the Call Of Duty Warzone tactic and package it as a stand alone add on.

If Marathon is officialy cancel im putting 100$ in eververse in destiny2

LMAO Sony bought Bungie for their live-service “expertise”

Marathon would’ve been a guaranteed success had bungie not spat on all of its D2 player base repeatedly. But they did, and I’m not buying marathon til it’s been out for 6 months while I wait and see how Pete and the rest of the bungie execs try to ruin it too.

It kinda sad cuz I think bungie developing marathon was a mistake but I also think that marathon would be a cool game. Bungie has historically been a top notch gunplay developer and back in halo a pretty good pvp development team, so I’d love to see what a marathon game would look like. But when they go and leave their money making machine to die to try and make other money machines it just doesn’t make any sense. Maybe put marathon on the shelf for now until you fix your only game that is making you money then once you get that fixed you can try marathon again

Morning all

But us hardcore players like fan service lol. We don't really care about new player acquisition, though more bodies to fill pvp lobbies quicker is always welcomed. While they do need a better new light experience, it shouldn't come at the cost of making stuff for the hardcore players. The best new player acquisition method is a Destiny 3, I feel like at this point if someone hasn't tried D2 yet they're never going to no matter how much the onboarding experience is improved unless it's for a full sequal where they can start from scratch alongside everyone else.

A lot of this information isn’t verified and leaks, take this video with a huge grain of salt

Where I see Marathon fumbling is extractions regardless of how casual or more rigorous they are need constant maintenance and tuning of rules, systems, mechanics to have things feel worth engaging. Considering Bungie has a bit of a track record of letting issues fester even when they had multiple studios help and were more stable, I am very wary of their treatment of this kind of game type. That lame excuse of "pardon our dust, we're new at this, who knew game dev could be so hard?" etc is not going to be a good look when we're back to more of the same poor treatment Destiny received over the years. I can also see issues if there's too much gatekeeping and limiting factors through Bungie trying to cram some cockamamie dripfeed live service element to it. That being said with a blank slate and infinitely less variables compared to something like Destiny, that could allow more of a core focus with less tabs open but again this is not really a game genre that works if you spend more time trying to ship out the cash shop items and less on glaring issues in your sandbox. CoD's DMZ ran into this when there was basically no good rewards, the grueling quests offered nothing really exciting, it was too easy to start/restart with all your potent stuff, mechanics like certain vehicles, abundant cash, UAV towers, 6 man platoons etc, general neglect ruined the experience. With the comment over Frontiers and the "metroidvania, survival game", idk if there's that much too it. Even the "rogue-like" seasonal activities in Destiny have been pretty generous with the labeling and not a pound for pound experience. I feel like survival game would be a mode that brings back something like the old ammo system for the activity, limited ammo pickups, white primary boxes no infinite ammo, to seem different but it's nothing like we haven't seen.

I am a Lover of Destiny 1 and 2, but ill admit my own bias towards Marathon. I don't see a scenario where Marathon is canceled to be likely. To much Money and work has been put into it for it to be wise for Bungie or Sony to cancel Marathon. Bungie is losing money and marathon is their one new product. Launching the game at the $40 price point would allow them to get sales from release rather than relying on microtransactions. Additionally the comparison to Concord is convenient but not logical. They are two different genres from 2 radically different studios. Firewalk's only game was concord, while Bungie is an established studio with multiple successful IP's. A better comparison would be to Crytek's Hunt Showdown. A successful extraction shooter born from the studio that brought Crysis to life. Seems similar to what bungies is trying. If Marathon fails it wont be a celebration day for Destiny 2 players. Bungie will have lost millions that will be reflected in Destiny.

Thank God...nobody cares about it. Invest that time back into your game that prints money for you.

Removing feelings from destiny 2 and looking at extraction shooters the mass majority of gaming community don't play them long it's not going to stay for long especially when it hasn't give anything breath of gameplay in it

Bungie has put me off any live service games with the way they have made Destiny 2. Bungie's Marathon ("this game isn't for you!"), well guess what, I won't be touching Marathon and give up D2... so good luck with that business choice.

I hope so. I was only excited becuase I thought it was a reboot, not a multiplayer class based shooter. How much of that we need. I just want to feel that classic Bungie FPS gameplay again. Destiny sucks. Halo sucks. Bungie ruins everything they create if you give them time. YES. I know Bungie hasn't made Halo since Reach, but they left it didn't they.

Man this game has crazy visuals and cool artnl direction. Looked interesting

Maybe the PS5 Pro will save it LOOOOL

Just a bunch of clickbait speculation. Completely pointless video

Not sure when you recorded this but they kinda already confirmed that #1 it won’t be canceled #2 it’s confirmed to NOT be a hero shooter

If Bungie keeps pushing social political issues into their games, I will continue to not buy them. I loved Destiny until it became a vessel for social justice. Videogames are a form of escapism from the real world, and these companies are making huge mistakes trying to shove the real world down our throats. Look at Concord and you see where Bungie was steering Destiny.

The “story” has been so lacklustre that ditching big campaigns would be a great idea

I feel like whenever a bad live service flops people quickly pounce on it and rightfully so. But good live service games do well and no one bats an eye. But when 1 fails people will cry they hate live service…we’ll do you because clearly some do well. Publishers just can’t get live service right because LS is usually code for bare bones game at launch. If you give someone a meaty game at launch, promise that can be kept of more content, does not have predatory micro transactions (more ways to spend money in game than content), game is marketed well and the game is not a buggy broken mess at launch…can most likely do well. These aren’t even hard feats to accomplish. But publishers love games to be virtual store fronts than they want them to be games. Destiny 1 was the most disrespectful game I played when it came to that. Game has 1/8 of a normal games content and they went oh you want us to complete the game that’ll be $40+ for DLC. I promised to never support a game they put out after that.

i dont think they need to cancel. by the look they used alot of destiny assets, code and will use whatever for future destiny content.

Apart or me is laughing at this because they had a hand in getting Last of Us multilayer canned. Factions on PS3 and PS4 was great and fun. Minimal micro transactions compared to other games. So to see Bungie getting their stuff canned I kind of won’t even flinch. Hope the devs find new work but as a company. They had it coming.

Feel they should take all the work they done already and add it to destiny as a game mode a extraction game mode

Destiny players don’t want or care about marathon

Keep Marathon, scrap fair games. Marathon looks unique in its style, FG looks bland.

Who knows, I think it's pretty safe to say everyone believes this is gunna flop. While it would be nice to have more Destiny, that would also be the problem. They don't listen to the community until the game is about to die. Even then its not like they make changes that benefit the consumer. Transmog is still fucked, no maps, no strikes (and no these seasonal activities are not strikes and dont make for fun GMs). They artificially make the game "worse/harder" with champions and it isnt fun. Idk man, even though theres a new campaign out every 18 months, the game is still largely the same, without the old raids we use to have and im still very much upset about that. Yet theyll fuck with the way shaders are presented? Give me a break. Im not gunna play again until I an hop back into Scourge.

Would you even try Marathon if it releases, even if it's not f2p? Would you even be able to play Marathon? I wonder if Bungie is gonna act like Valve with their VAC bans across all their games.

Live service only works if its gameplay is something exciting, fun, rewarding, and replayable. Extraction shooters as they are right now do not fit all these criteria at once. However: if bungie manages to pull off those criteria for Marathon, then the game will do just fine

But why not just let go the live service & gaas games and its time let them go.Nobody was asking for concord,foamstars,marathon &fair games or live service & gaas games. Customers want & asking for game like black myth wukong,palworld, Elden ring,stellarblade,warhammer,hogwarts legacy and other games that are fun, focusing on the lore,focusing on the story,The history of the game and from the game. Sony and other companies need to listen more to what the customer & the consumers and not focus on what they want.

Cancel it

You’re missing a lot of important insider reports. You can’t report the bad ones without at least acknowledging that the good reports exist. Marathon morale is rising because they’re building it directly from feedback from extraction players hired to beta test. Also the hero shooter info is apparently entirely misinterpreted from the games class based system, similar to D2. I’m not for or against the success of Marathon but as a content creator reporting on the industry I would hope you do your due diligence in information gathering because at this point you’re just spreading negativity.