Isn't Prigozhin just the perfect stereotype for a James Bond villain? If he wasn't literally so evil and a war criminal he could go to Hollywood and do very well for himself.
This is what Prigozhin said that got him a lot of support among the Russian people: Prigozhin's statement before starting on the March for Justice, "The war in Ukraine was based on a set of false premises, there were no Nazi's threatening Russia from Ukraine, and NATO was not trying to threaten Russia in any way." This statement not shown on American media, CNN, Fox, Meet the Press, or Face the Nation, why? Prigozhin lost half his troops in Bakhmut, 25,000 causalities, that's why he's so upset. He also trained his African supporters how to disembowel pregnant women, and he castrates Ukrainian POW's, he's a bad guy.
He was high on meth and angry. He is still going to have Wagner fight in northern Ukraine. We all know the pentagon funded Azov to enact a coup of the democratically elected leader of Ukraine for taking Ukraine's deal instead of the EU's deal. The US needs to stop meddling in the affairs of other nations.
No one thought Wagner really had any chance of taking over Russia. People were just hoping it'd force Putin to pull troops out of Ukraine to deal with it.
TYT should get a military expert pov on general Ukraine war, cause there are lacking in understanding battlefield reality like how big and well equipped Wagner is and what would happen if they'd actually tried to enter Moscow.
My conspiracy theory is Prigrozhin believes Russia will lose ground in the coming months. So he's made a big scene that his forces aren't there anymore and he's no longer on the front. He'll get to claim he was the only thing holding everything together, and its everyone else's fault for the loses.
Infighting between different parts of the Russian military is by design. This is how a successful dictator must operate. If they got along, than they might join forces and do a successful coup. By keeping them at odds with each other, guarantees the dictator will still remain in power. The drawback is that they can’t successfully run a military campaign which is showing in Ukraine.
None of them can be honest without exposing themselves as criminals, just like their embedded puppet Cadet Bone Spurs. The lies eventually run full circle. Here's what Americans don't understand but Russians do: Russians know "The Z" Andrew Zaldostanov is Wagner Militia founder and leader. So Russian civilians hearing Putin now in on this big lie, Putin is now exposed as a coward worried about white nationalist agenda leader Andrew Zaldostanov and his sidekick Russian church leader Kirill.
I'm pretty sure the mercenaries that fight for our side are just as psychopathic, because that makes sense in that profession. We just never hear about it because they're "our guys"
I'm sure if you work a little harder, there's plenty of information out there about the crimes "our guys" are doing all over the world, just maybe not in the US mainstream media.
Erik Prince and his sissy actually imagined Putin's buddy Netanyahu had 'god on their side' using a fabricated war to steal Palestinian land for Charles Kushner and Henry Kissinger to make bank marketing to Huckabee evangelical Zionist criminals. I love the Jewish community overall, but Israel has become just a front for marketing wars globally ...so we don't look at what's going on in Israel. Henry Kissinger has slimed the Jewish community so long he hatched Robert Kraft and Alan Dershowitz having table showers by naked immigrant children at MaraLardo Secret Epstein Tunnel spa, now converted to KGB agent daughter Melania's STOLEN National Security Secrets documents Library.
*Yevgeny Prigozhin's Project Lakhta* (The Internet Research Agency) had an operating budget of more than $35 million for all of its operations directed at the United States. Prosecutors unsealed a complaint that says Project Lakhta aided the Russian effort to "inflame passions" online related to immigration, gun control and the Second Amendment, the Confederate flag, race relations, LGBT issues, the Women's March and the NFL National Anthem debate from December 2016 until May 2018. (and the *MAGATS* fell for all of it)
And Breitbart Boy Edward Snowden implementation of GRU disinformation apparatus was so successful, he was granted exile and Russian citizenship. Hopefully he's been sent to go swimming in some silo full of nuclear reactor waste, because Snowden is part of all of this failure by Russia.
As John Eastman, the US coup plot planner told Jeremy Peters of the New York Times and Dana Bash of CNN, call it political discourse, which of course they did.
Sounds like his target when he first started to go to Rostov wasn't Putin. It was his two generals. They apparently were in Rostov at the time, and fled. That left Prigozhin with nothing else to do but mock going to Moscow to get a deal.
It seems to be a net win for Ukraine. 6 fewer Russian choppers and Wagner out of Ukraine. I still feel sorry for the people of Russia. It is a morality tale for the rest of the world if the are silly enough to wish for a ‘strong man’.
The outcome of this is very curious. Making Prigozhin defense minister is probably Prigozhin's short term goal. It will be interesting to see if that is what Putin will do. He may be mounting a way to attack Ukrain from Belaruse, or perhaps, Prigozhin is thinking of doing this independently. There are many ways this could go.
Guys, the discussion is good. But think: there was no real blockage between Rostov and almost Moscow (120 km). Almost NOBODY tried to stop Prigozhin. Isn’t it the sign of the weakness? And according to Prigozhin, there is 25 000 people in the group. Also, the ministry of Russian defense recruits from prisons for at least half a year.
All for show. I suspect they are trying to flush out Kirill and Zaldostanov. Perhaps they are already dead or were on the plane that blew up? It's probably unknown. But it is known that Kirill, Putin, Prighozen and Zaldostanov have lied and been responsible for so much murder, nobody in Russia would democratically want any of them. I expect Xi will be deciding who gets what and who he approves of. Likely nobody anyone heard of. China's #1 rival and enemy - Russia - has lost to China. And that could be a very good thing for all of humanity. Rupert Murdoch sent packing to crawl in Henry Kissinger's casket as a package deal ending Trump-Putin and Netanyahu. Greg Abbott and Rafael Cruz Sr fully dependent upon the cluster eff of Rupert and Putin. They are about to get fully exposed.
@@evilamo it is tragedy. But in a way how Russia normally works it is almost nothing. The guys managed to put under control 11 largest city in Russia (at least as they proclaim it). Normally, when you try to do something dangerous, or protest, or stand in solidarity with someone or some case - you get arrested, you get jail time, there are dozens and hundreds of policeman around you. Different types of military come to get you. FSB, FSO etc. So this aircraft (6 helicopters and one plane, if I remember correctly). To average Russian it screams nothing. That there was almost nothing defending anybody in Top of the government.
Mercenaries do not usually go into conflicts that have such a high risk of getting killed. I might sound a bit funny, but mercenaries in say Iraq/Afghanistan had a much smaller chance to get killed then anyone fighting in Ukraine.
*Oct.19 2018:* Project Lakhta (The Internet Research Agency) is controlled by Yevgeny Prigozhin through his Concord group. "Today's charges allege that Russian national Elena Khusyaynova conspired with others who were part of *a Russian influence campaign to interfere with US democracy,"* said Assistant Attorney General John Demers. Prigozhin is dubbed as "Putin's chef," because he manages catering for the Russian leader.
Epstein Client Elon knew Mudge from his PayPal Mafia days. Mudge is friends with Yuri Milner and Edward Snowden. Sinclair Broadcasting creepo Boris E somehow deeply embedded and involved, oh, must be KGB agent daughter Melania's father around STOLEN National Security Secrets documents stored in the Secret MaraLardo Epstein Tunnel. This whole Mannatech crime syndicate has to get snuffed out and no, Trump in prison isn't even halfway to eradication. However, meanwhile, rats jumping ship and blaming each other for their looming indictments, well, dead bodies are going to be all over Russia and Florida.
What struck me as valuable is that the Wagner Group took control of Rostov - the logistical command center for the Russian joint group of forces in Ukraine, they destroyed two Russian military vehicles, shot down six Russian helicopters in one day where the Ukrainians have shot down thirty over a whole year, shot down a plane as well, and marched half way to Moscow. He could have seriously injured the Russian war effort before the Russian army blew him to bits.
All a staged media stunt. If Putin thought Prighozen was really after him, the convoy would have been destroyed, without regard to civilians. They want Kirill and Zaldostanov dead with confirmation. And they are terrible, more terrible than Putin by far. Zaldostanov wants to kill all Jews and any people of color in Russia. He makes monster Putin look like a child's stuffed teddy bear.
Originally Wagner's "march" was supposed to be a mostly peaceful demonstration. A rally. A protest... But Putin got scared he'd end up in a Gaddafi situation and bombed the convoy with attack helicopters. 15 pilots were shot down. Then they turned around. It's speculated that Prigozhin expected for more support from Russian Army dissenters and political officials to stand up with him. But it's also speculated that the FSB clamped down HARD on any dissent and might've threatened the lives of Prigozhin's family. Russian television reacted by saying that the only redemption for Prigozhin for this act of defiance against the _supreme commander_ was to shoot himself. So any dissenters were too afraid of severe punishment to stand up.
My current theory is that Prigrozhin could be employing this as a deceptive tactic... Now he's sitting pretty with no known immediate consequences other than being exiled to a place that could be considered a strategic advantage while his men consider themselves still active combatants. 🤔 Of all places, why Belarus? Of all times, why now? Of all outcomes, how this? Putin now knows who dares speak and even act against him 👀 It's like a combination of the Romans, Voldemort and Cersei and Eurons tactics.
You're correct Sarah. If Putin wanted to mute Prigozhin he would have sent him to the Caucasus' where no one would trust him. Instead he sent him closer to the war closer to the action. Putin is not stupid he did this for a reason. I for one am worried I know why, but I dont want to believe my own instinct because the outcome could be worse than anything short of nukes.
Prighozin did not want to take out Putin he wanted to create pressure for Putin to fire his defense minister and give him greater autonomy and power. He still ultimately wanted to work under him. And he thought the regular russian forces would join with him on his way to Putinwhich failed, so he stopped in front of the city. But he pretty much proved that russias internal security is nothing their troops are in Ukraine and they are pretty much defenseless.
7:12, Anna, Cenk, there’s a lot more at play in the Kremlin and it’s become very clear just how Wagner was received in Rostov-On-Don by residents alongside how little resistance from the Russian Armed Forces they received, it was very clear that a sizeable portion of the Russian military and public are going “f*** this shit, at least Prigozhin fights a war better than Putin.” And given just how far Wagner got up the highway to Moscow, it’s shattered the perception that Putin can maintain stability. Putin’s inner circle (the siloviki) is loyal, at least until they realize their own commercial and political fortunes are threatened by a lack of said stability. So they will replace Putin with an individual who they feel will bring stability for them. But don’t expect anyone who replaces Putin will be any better. The top man who likely to replace Putin, Nikolai Patrushev is a brazen anti-western conspiracy theorist who pushed the Russian president to invade Ukraine in the first place. He is Secretary of the Security Council and Putin’s closest advisor. It would basically be like if Trump made Marjorie Taylor Greene his National Security Advisor then supported her to be the Republican nominee. Of course that scenario now doesn’t seem far off.
Look at this and consider the US Military situation, with DynaCorp and Blackwater, etc. Our own mercenary task forces make of more than 50% of the military budget. They also have different rules of engagement then our military. They came about under the Reagan/Bush administrations.
who issued the artillery strike on the Wagners and why? everyone is ignoring the fact that his mutiny was justified. I feel like the only reason the Wagners didn't go harder or just side with Ukraine was they have family in Russia that would have suffered.
Prisoners are mostly dead or fled, were never trained mercenaries, mainly for cannon fodder.They did shoot down Russian air craft killing Russians when approaching Moscow.
could be right, perhaps they are intending to create another front by invading from belarus and do to ukraine what the raids along the russian border was doing to the russian military by pulling forces away from the fighting in ukraine to protect russian villiages.
There is a theory that this never was a coup attempt at all, just Prigozhin trying to negotiate a better off ramp / retirement plan for himself. Remember, they had already decided to essentially take away his private army. And the military brass hated him, so his career days working for Russia was already numbered. So instead of simply getting stripped of everything and thrown to the streets, he managed to negotiate a deal in which he not only comes off scot free, but also got to keep the majority of his army. That is a huge win compared to what would have happened if he just rolled over.
The weakness shown by making the deal means that you can challenge Putin and then cut a deal. It will encourage others who are angry about this war to do so. Just as long as they stay away from windows after the deals, lol.
It’s worth noting that from what we can tell thus far, actual formations of the russian military made *no attempt* to stop wagner’s march, and in some cases may have even joined wagner forces.
fascists are NEVER cohesive in terms of military coordination/mutiny, because fascism inherits paranoya and greed above most else. this is why by design fascist leaders intentionally always declare very fuzzy boundaries, which creates in-fighting and a LOT of suspicion, where everyone wands to always know what is happening NEAR them, and no one has any actual overview. freeing france from german occupation was faster, because the response of german supplies was slowerd due to trust issues and "this is your local problem my neighboring legion" childishness. (besides a lot of planned internal sabotage in france, mostly supported by allies) whats novel now is that media is much more sophisticated and instant, and communication and mobility is much faster, so that a coup-attempt may end in exile-deals within a few hours, rather than weeks.
The FSB know where the leaders' family members are/were. The US knew that the Wagner group was going to do "something" well before this. The artillery strike may have been an attempt to punish the group for their plans or prevent their uprising.
The entire Russian army was doing all of those horrible things, not just the Wagner group. They usually don't have prisoners joining them. The have done that because most of the Russian army has been taken out. So they are using them as cannon fodder, so they can keep the remainder of the trained soldiers in reserve. Prighozin was supposed to be his successor. He also went online and told the people the truth as well. Needless to say neither one of these are fit to lead anything. They also were able to walk right into the city because he said that most of the soldiers that were there were young men who were like 18-24 he said he didn't want to kill children, and they didn't want to fight Prighozin because his guys are brutal. So he made the decision not to take on the Russian soldiers. Either way super crazy situation.
16:51 I know they're all the same to you, but Sholgin is Eurasian ethnically. There has been a sentiment since last winter among ultra right wing racist Russians to blame Sholgin, the "foreigner" (he isn't) for the disastrous campaign in Ukraine. That's what the mutineers actually meant and some people there are responding to. It's not that complicated, so it's a shame you've missed out on that so far. The Russians have only been racist since we forced them into capitalism in the 1990s, via the IMF and world bank, so we can thank ourselves for that, like those events also lead to Putin. Hooray for our stupid foreign policies, like with placing missiles in every single former Warsaw Pact via NATO, even though Russia were not a threat then, but they sure are now thanks to us encircling them. I also like it when Americans go on about their nukes, whereas the only nation to ever nuke women and babies is the US still.
I watched a documentary about Wagner weeks ago, and the rot has been setting in for months. My hope is Wagner refrains from re engagement with Ukraine, the Russian army starts to lose big time and Russian troops defect to join Wagner and Wagner re deploys to Africa where the real money is.
Luka in Belarus just acquired the services of the golden company. Will casterly rock make a move against kings landing? Hmmmm. Pirgozin now working under the protection of house lannister remains relevant, much to the usurper's dismay.
Putin outplayed Wagner, they could easily take the power if Prigozin continued with the plan. All Russian military is at the front lines so there was no one strong enough to resist his battle hardened army.
@@EatMe-zy8jo That's true. Proud Boys are just a bunch of pssies. Wagner are the real democracy killers. Both need to be erased from the Earth, though.
Prigozhin does not have 50k troops, because he lost many at bakhmut and throughout the war. But he does have about 8 to 25k troops, and the thing to know about these troops are that they are the best fighters in that region of the world by far. He also has shown an ability to find unorthodox ways to recruit more, and use the recruits as meatshields to protect his more elite units, or as probing units prior to clean up by the top echelons of wagner. Prigozhin probably could overthrow belarus and imo could have maybe even taken moscow if he had kept going, which explains why he was able to walk. Moscow was thinly defended at the time of his mutiny and had no tanks. Prigozhin is a dangerous man, and would have needed to be dealt with eventually regardless of win or lose in ukraine. In my opinion, he is still not dealt with, still at large, and this saga is not over until the thousands of wagner mercs who sallied to moscow with him and prigozhin himself are liquidated.
