@@jojokeane that's because women stop wearing corsets. When they did women had waists. Now it's frowned upon. But there are many women who still do. It also controlled your eating.
@@seabreeze4559 I love how you’re twisting the words that were literally written in an interview shown in the video where you can see clear as day that was not her reasoning. She never said she didn’t want other people wearing it. She said she didn’t wanna have to be forced to wear it again, and judging from your other comments, it seems like you pretend to know what it was like to be a black actress in the 1950s and like Marilyn Monroe be constantly hyper sexualized and have people base you can worth on your body rather than the your art.
@@seabreeze4559 No, actually! At that time it was still common for opera singers to have their own costume for their roless! (not for all opera houses and productions though) They did mostly traditional versions of those opera, so it worked. Same thing for the men. Some even brought shoes with added subtile platforms to appear taller on stage (Franco Corelli did this). Also, interestingly they sometimes would perform the role in the language they had learned it and there are recordings of singers singing together in different languages!
@@WildHorizon lol it isnt history when it's happening to you in the moment, my dear. It's not like she thought "in 70 years this dress will be famous and on display...ima burn it to piss people off!
@@dianabryan7421no it wasn't ?? if anything it WAS marilyn's dress. be for real hun.. marilyn MADE that dress. if it weren't for her, people wouldn't know about it and they wouldn't care. it wasn't right for her to burn the dress. she should've put the dress and it's priceless value into consideration before destroying it.
no it literally wasnt even her dress it was just given to her to wear for her own performance. it was pretty selfish for her to destroy it just because people compared her to marilyn while she was wearing HER dress
I completely understand this. Marilyn herself was often tormented by the burdens of the public’s obsession with her body and looks, and what they felt that meant for her talent and character. Better to burn the dress than have to be reduced to what people pigeonhole you into for wearing it.
How is the dress' fault that people sexualize the one wearing it? Her burning the dress ruined a piece of art that shouldn't have belonged to her to begin with. If you can't appreciate it, you don't deserve it. The comparison should have boosted her self esteem and also encourage to separate her from Marilyn, but instead she let it get the best of her and ruin something iconic. She's not any different than Kim Kardashian, there was no respect given to the outfit.
@@cuddlingmycat29 i mean unless you were in her shoes it’s best not to judge, also the kim kardashian comparison is definitely unnecessary. two completely different scenarios.
I understand Abbey wanted to be known for her talent and not be objectified but why destroy the dress? Return it back to the studio and just take on another role that would make your talent stand out.
I mean the dress reminded her of something bad? You could choose to give the dress back or destroy it fully so atleast you won't have to see it again. She had a choice and she made that one it isn't a bad one nor is it a good one. I think people could let a dress go since you know after all it is just fabric.
In my opinion ,the dress has kind of become a symbol of objectification she might've thought not just me no one should be objectified in future and did it maybe 🤔
Agreed some people cant do their own thing they gotta steal someone else's. In the end karma got her because it took the spotlight from the music, her real her. A dress is a dress but music is your soul.
@@kymmikmarie i mean in GENERAL everyone is obsessed with marilyn 🤦can't even believe people like you exist. How can you don't understand what you read ??🤦🤦goodness
@@theinvisibleme4104what kim did to that beautiful happy birthday mr president dress is nothing near appreciated, I'm not saying burning the dress is any better too
@@akihitootaku to be fair if kim got her hands on it, the dress itself would've aged the hell out by now which isn't good for wearing after several (emphasis on several) decades so the dress would've been ruined either way due to fragility just like the one she wore to the met gala, and let's not forget how kim got a lock of marilyns literal hair, no ones mad about kim using her dress, we're weirded out by her obsession with the woman 💀
@@sfr2107 It is hard to explain lol.. Like when two people wear same plain white shirt, one looks cute because she is petite and slim but the other one looks sexy because of curves. Same shirt but when you look at them overall the shirt seemed different because of the silhouette made by both bodies and how the wearers own natural aesthetic.
@Day You're from somewhere...I can't put my finger on it, but I've def seen you somewhere before on here lol. Flavor of Love? Sandra Lee cooking vids? Gymnastics videos?
@@Mae-rr5ye Oh… bless your heart sweetie! She was a “woman” wearing another “woman’s”dress. There! You said it! congratulations!! I hope all that thinking didn’t stress out your brain cells.
Actors and actresses typically don't look after or keep their own costume. Wardrobe takes it at the end of a shoot or show and then when it's not needed it's packed up with other costumes and sent into storage (or wherever its going next) However sometimes costumes go missing, which is funny because a lot of the times it's costumes the performers hated wearing and said they wanted to burn so they didn't have to wear it again.
tbh, Marilyn would probably support destroying the dress that pushed yet another woman into a sex symbol role she didn't want to be in more than the way most of her other surviving possession were treated after death
Exactly! Everyone comparing this to Kim K is completely missing the point. One of these women burned a dress made for a film because she resented being turned into a sex symbol and having her talent and artistry ignored. The other damaged a dress Marilyn never wanted anyone to wear again because she was desperate to be a sex symbol and has no art to lose in the process. Marilyn was alive when this happened, I doubt Abbey’s reputation and fame would have survived if she really cared that much about the dress.
I love how everyone is talking about how she is sexist, but they aren't taking one moment to consider that the lady was sexualized instead of appreciated for her music. Imagine working very hard on your career, and everyone can only talk about an outfit on your body than your art
@Clancey Moreino if the reason she burned the dress was that people didn't respect her and it reminded her of that, then I can hardly blame her. I think it's her message that she doesn't want to be sexualized or compared to other women.
I heard on RU-vid that Julie Andrew's wedding dress she wore in the Sound of Music was given back to the studio's costume department. It was then taken apart and remade into other dresses! Such an iconic scene with a beautiful wedding gown in a famous movie was made into other dresses! A replica was made and is some museum, but jeez!
This comment section is ridiculous. You guys just lack common sense and are ridiculously fanatical over Marilyn Monroe. It was Abby's dress at the time and she didn't burn it out of jealously. She burned it because she was tired of being over sexualized, and her talent not being recognized in a time where black women were treated horrifically. Marilyn was still alive back then and there were actresses just as big as she was. Her legend was solidified many years after death because she had a tragic life with lots of scandals and died young while being a very pretty woman. And I'm pretty sure Marilyn would have supported a woman who was tired of being treated like a sex object since she encountered the same thing. Would you guys whine if a popular actress today had a dress she wore in a movie, get destroyed.....no because you can't tell the future. Grow up.
Telling people to grow up while simultaneously defending someone who behaved like a toddler and broke something because it made her mad. Lol It's not the fault of the dress that her body was sexualized and I can guarantee you, this didn't stop her from being sexualized. This was a stupid emotional choice that has no defense other than her feelings being hurt about being compared to someone else.
@@blueeyedbatman Still not your dress and you would’ve never been able to afford it so why do you care or you would never even been in the presence of it so your opinion doesn’t matter
@@blueeyedbatman exactly at least I’m not attached to a dress that literally I would never wear nor afford just because an actress wore it …. People are really bent over materialistic stuff ..
@@meganjohnson38 lmao first and foremost i have zero attachment to the dress, I simply have respect for a designer. And secondly you know nothing about me or my finances 🤣🤡 get over yourself darling, you aren't anything special- no need to cry for attention.
That's so sad that she felt that way ... I understand why she did what she did 100% ... Monroe was a person she wasn't a article of clothes nor was Abbey Lincoln, that was her whole point. And that's that👏🏽💖
@@camx3316 yeah, and Kim didn’t even mean to ruin the dress. although I do find Kim in the wrong, it’s really unfair to treat them differently when they both disrespected Marilyn Monroe’s outfits. (especially because Marilyn didn’t want anyone wearing her dresses when she died anyway.)
@@teshamiller6001 It isn’t just material. It was a beautifully made dress worn by a super star. Yes, if a normal person were to wear it it would be just a dress. But it was worn by an iconic woman.
@@rubyhalperin2810iconic woman” jesus christ , she didn’t save the fucking world. your acting like she’s a super hero, considering she also used drugs she shouldn’t be treated as if she’s a role model. its been 60+ years dude, not that deep
So it’s more important to keep an inanimate object that was used to excessively sexual her then to release the actual stress and trauma she felt for this clothe she now owned. Interesting reveal of what is important to you.
“this immediately made abby lincoln a sex symbol and catapulted her to fame” gotta love the way society views women edit: didn’t realize the objectification and blatant sexualization of women would be such a taboo topic, it’s funny how men get so worked up in my replies when i didn’t even mention them here
But how could it not? First, she wore the dress of someone who is nothing but a sex symbol. That alone would garner full attention . Did she think people wouldn't remember the dress? And she looked every bit as incredible in it as Monroe did. If she wasn't interested in being the same as a sex symbol, she would have worn a suit or something else.
i thought i was having a stroke reading your comment; don’t you have autocorrect on? LMFAO also did you just say that marilyn monroe was nothing but a sex symbol??? i’m not going to argue with someone who starts off with that hell of a sentence you are literally a prime example of what i’m fucking talking about. Marilyn was absolutely not “nothing but a sex symbol” she was her own woman, with a beautiful personality, and she was an amazing actress. and in my original comment, i was alluding to the fact that abby lincoln probably wouldn’t have gotten famous based off of her talent alone, because society only really took notice of her when she became a “sex symbol” and what did she even do to earn that title? wear a fucking dress? it’s disgusting and i’m totally on her side with burning the dress
@Killer Amphibians , you just needed a moment, I bet you think you feel better now, now, I said what I meant, meant what I said, tried not to be mean when I said it, I'm out!!! BLESSINGS TO YOU 💯 ❤️
"gOtTa LoVe ThE wAy SoCi-" dude stfu Marilyn Monroe was the literal sex symbol of the time and she was proud of it. So ofc her signature clothes are going to make people wonder who the next IT girl is. That's it. It's not that deep. I mean??? Why is sex appeal even so bad anyways?
Guys, she burned it three years after it was worn by Monroe. It wasn't this historical garment preserved for half a century then, it was the period equivalent of wearing someone's costume in a 2019 movie. For those saying she's egotistic, you imagine being a WOC trying to make a name for herself and being saddled with this copycat image.
i don't care about the time, she could've just sold it or refuse to wear it again. I'm sure there will be someone who'd want the dress. And also, would the Internet be as merciful if a celebrity burn just an ordinary gown that cost hundreds of dollars today? They'd get bash for Ruining a perfectly good dress just out of spite instead of giving it to someone else. That's my attitude against her right now. Just a stupid wasteful way to cope with your sadness
@@wickedwitch7456 to answer your question, is the Internet going after someone who owned a three year old costume and got unfairly associated with it who then burned it okay? Shouldn't those people mind their own damn business? It's private property with no mass cultural significance at the time. And regarding the rest, I hope that you find the self-identity, empathy, and strength to not condemn a person for what they did to some fabric more than half a century ago. Maybe some grass touching is ideal for you, "wicked witch".
@@wickedwitch7456 you don’t care about the time because you’re too dense to comprehend that people did things differently and the sentiments for it. Tons of famous clothing gets destroyed in that era unless they specifically wanted it saved. I’m sure your everyday life is wasting more resources than someone burning a dress get over yourself! It made no difference to your life that this dress was burned you should be worried more about the tons of clothes in landfills since you’re so concerned about fabric going to waste.
It definitely was because it had a huge impact that's where the recognition came from. People immediately knew the dress and didn't really care who she was, that's proof that it already was a piece of history.
That part! Plus in those days it was customary to destroy movie props. It wasn't all preserved like museum pieces. Modern people crying over these dresses are just pack rats.
Dude, why does the dress even have to have “historical value” in order to justify its own existence/worth?? Plus, this argument is bs anyway cuz you don’t have to wait 50 years to know that dress was going to be a valuable piece of (cinematic) history, you just have to have common sense…. But then we all know how rare of a commodity _that_ is 🙄🤦♀️
@såskįä no. You're speaking from a modern perspective. You are assuming people of that time would have thought this stuff would have historical value. Studios were basically movie mills in those days. These weren't blockbusters. It was basic. And Marilyn was very disrespected and undervalued at the time. There is no " common sense" to suggest people knew future people would have an obsession. It's was customary to destroy old props. This is the exact reason we have little to no clothing from Eras earlier then this.
This is proof that women sexualizing themselves/people sexualizing women is simply not empowering. This poor woman, she’s beautiful and her voice was stellar ❤❤️❤
What? This isn't even remotely what this is about. Sexualizing women just for existing is bad, that I agree with. Especially considering the about of abuse Marilyn underwent. But a woman choosing to sexualize herself can be very empowering- its showcasing her body in a way she feels comfortable in, for herself and no one else. That is a great example of independence and for some, showcases confidence and acceptance in ones body. Women should be able to wear what they want, modest or not, without the judgment of others.
@@feodorawicked5014 I’m speaking as a woman here. You honestly believe a woman showing off her most vulnerable assets knowing people will eagerly gawk at her makes her empowered? Sex work is the least empowering thing ever, speaking as the daughter of a stripper. I hate the way the world has become.
@@liliththefirehawk796 *Daughter of a stripper, not a stripper yourself. You only know a perspective of how you felt, not what your mother felt. As a person who has used my body to protest the right to consent regardless of clothing, I actually did feel empowered. I was taught to hate my body from a young age because I had larger breasts, but after I started wearing more revealing clothing, I no longer felt uncomfortable with my body. Also, what you are describing is different. I am empowered by showing off my body and being comfortable with it to wear what I want, though perverts are not in that equation. In short: Your experience, and not even my experience, doesn't mean it isn't empowering to everyone. Don't demean sex work or the individuals who work in it; demean unsafe sex work and the people who make it unsafe.
Omg that was a beautiful dress and she burned it but also I think it’s really bad for the public to compare celebrities to each other and they both looked beautiful in that dress
So she wore a dress worn by someone who was seen as a sex symbol and then was surprised and upset that she was also seen as a sex symbol. Yeah okay, let's burn gorgeous historical dresses based on that logic.
I love how it's labeled "historical". You people act like Marilyn Monroe was on the same level as MLJK or Rosa Parks. She was just a country bumpkin who slept her way to stardom. I love Marilyns movies, but to call a dress historical bc she wore it in a 50s movie is just stupid. Iconic sure, historical... No.
@@SharkGirl655 I don't even overly like Marilyn Monroe, couldn't name you a movie that she's in but I know of her. She is famous. Historical artefacts only exist because we as humans place value on them. Iconic becomes historical.
@@brittalex42 again. Historical means something that did something very significant to HISTORY. Iconic means being remembered throughout the years due to the outstanding impact they had made. Don’t mix it up 🤦♀️
I feel that it is hard to blame Abbey Lincoln for destroying the dress because in that moment the dress wasn't a part of History yet, it was just a dress.
fr. she understood very well how difficult it is to be a sex symbol,, and that its not the life for everyone. it was a powerful statement and cathartic move for her
Marilyn was way more practical. She would've urged her to sell the dress and buy some goddamn books on psychology or idk HELP LESS FORTUNATE BLACK ACTRESSES
Abby Lincoln wore the orange dress while making a movie. Kim wore the other dress just as an outfit to an award wore. One was serving talent and the other was self serving.
She destroyed private property because of insecurities over her looks. She should have refused to wear the dress.😢😡 gut feeling if she wore anything else, and people call her sexy, she would have destroyed those too.
If a woman has the utmost self-awareness and security in her abilities, burning an iconic dress that bears history will not be her resolution. One will recognize and give respect to a work of art. An intelligent woman will find another way to shine better.
@@Ckawauchi35 smh that dress is not history. That dress was not at all revolutionary like Rosa Parks, MLK, or Abraham Lincoln. That dress was just a dress Marilyn wore.
@@dubc04life what? I wasn't tho. I could care less about clothing tbh. I was just saying I wouldn't appreciate being compared to someone else just because I wore the same as the other person. I mean it's two completely different people. Imagine going to a party and your wearing the same as another person but the other person is much more popular than you so your constantly being compared to them just because you wore the same thing. It's not a nice feeling.
I think this was honestly the best thing to happen. Marilyn Monroe was tormented by the public. She was forced into being a sex symbol rather than the serious actor she aspired to be. She was an amazing actress, but regardless of what role she got, she was only seen for her sex appeal. She hated this. So, for this dress to only continue that onto another young woman who wanted to be seen for the art she was creating rather than her sex appeal is just so sad. Honestly, I'm happy the dress was burned. It was apart of some of the worse times for these two ladies, and I'm happy it was destroyed.
Me too! It’s very symbolic. While I see why people are upset at the loss of a historical artifact, there are still plenty of dresses Marilyn wore! And the value of a pretty dress isn’t worth more than the mental health of any woman.
Good for her. Besides, Munroe wasn't the clothes she wore. She wasn't just her body. She was a real human person. So it's better to remember the movies and art she made rather than the cloth on her body. If the dress was significant it should be for featuring in a delightful and famous movie musical, not for touching Marilyn Munroe.
ya good for her for selfishly destroying a dress made custom for someone else just because she wanted them to remember herself and not the dress. when she couldve just returned the dress, refused to wear it again, and went about her business. she still wouldve been famous either way.
@rocb1319 - I wish Debbie Reynolds (Carrie Fishers mother) would have purchased it, she had the first to save 1000s of Hollywood iconic dresses and memorabilia.
Sis nooooooo 😭😭😭😭😭 why couldn't she just throw the dress in the back of her closet or something lol, not the INCINERATOR!! I hope the pattern still exists lmao
It’s sad that all her iconic dresses are being destroyed but I think it a good because they well always be iconic dresses because they wore by Marilyn Monroe the dresses are going to be a little destroyed by other people but that’s it people have to except the dresses are not going to be there in 50+ years it going to be destroyed and they just have to except it but it is very still sad but it has to be gone one day
I read ”why are people so obsessed with marylin Monroe clotheless with JFK” so now i am going to delete all my podcasts and conspiracy theories. Goodbye.
Keep in mind when she burnt the dress it wasnt a historic artefact that had been preserved for years, like kim kardashians marilyn dress that she destroyed
People be fighting for a way older dress even when the actress who wore it suffered like hell through her whole life no matter if she's respect after her death 💀
So we can’t preserve her stuff because she suffered? Marilyn loved to act. She found comfort in her work. Hate to break it to you but every single old Hollywood actress suffered. Many a lot worse than Monroe. Should we also destroy Judy garlands ruby slippers?
@@CharlizeQuin I'm not saying about not to preserve those dresses I'm just saying that why we all are fighting about those stuff now she's gone now and if dresses are not fit able to another person then obviously it'll suffer changes
@@CharlizeQuin you said she love to act then you are wrong in end she was annoyed by doing same kinda roles in every movie she even said she didn't like dumb girls role that she was offered.. she wanted to do other roles but she couldn't:( and now when she's dead Hollywood appreciates her i was just saying this that what it matters now she's gone after so much suffering i didn't say about not to preserve those dresses
@@sea07777 she LOVED to act. Yes she was annoyed at being typecast as the dumb blonde but she was proud of her work. In one of her final interviews she was asked if she’d change anything about her life. She said everything except she’d still be an actress. Hollywood didn’t respect her when she was alive I think the most we can do now is respect her memory and the beautiful things she left behind.
Ppl are mad at Kim for wearing one of her other dresses (and yes she didn’t destroy/rip it, the museum confirmed) but brush past her burning this in an incinerator?
I doubt it was about being objectified. It was probably because she was resentful she was referred to "as the girl who wore Marilyn Monroes dress." Anyone starting a career wouldn't want to live under another persons shadow.
Omg it looked sooo good on Abbey. Just Wow How one dress can look so different on different body types ❤ Both good, but Oh my!!! I understand why ppl were talking about it.
I still couldn't understand why people would literally bad on people for destroying a piece of clothing. I understand it has a history, but let's be real for a second. Was it worth you lowering your humanity and talking bad about other people. It was just a piece of clothing. It can be made again, but your words towards others could cause them great pain. Not to support anyone, but sometimes people talk badly on people just because it was the most viral thing to do. This video is an example, she destroy it because it cause her great pain, but all people highlight was 'No, not the dress'. She was seen not for her music or talent but for a complete bs reason, it's not doing much for her career.
She could've sold it and donated the proceeds for a good cause. That thing was already iconic, but she decided to be a self absorbed child and destroy an expensive garment instead.
@@emiliawilson4378 speaking out of turn on a black actress during the 1950s. Kinda on brand for people such as ur self. She wore the dress bc she was told to, more than likely owned the dress at that point and destroyed it. While Marilyn was alive but ohhhhh the horror of her not keeping it safe and sound so 70 years later obsessed fans could have a piece of “history” to gawk at. Be for real genius.
That’s sad that she burned it. That was a stunning dress. And seems a bit pointless after it already gave you a bad name. Common sense would tell you “maybe I shouldn’t wear this dress because of who it’s attached to.” . She sure as hell wasn’t complaining when it catapulted her ass to fame … you can simply choose to just not wear it if you hate it that much or you can sell it . Burning it was an extreme thing to do. And it sounds like she burned it simply because she was jealous. Edit : for those if you asking why I think she was jealous… because she was labeled “the girl in the Marilyn Monroe dress.” People Still giving the credit to Marilyn instead of her. She was sick of being in her shadow. Seems to me she also didn’t want anyone else after her wearing the dress. Seems oddly like a territorial thing. Almost like she didn’t want anyone else receiving the benefits of this dress. ONLY her .
Jealous of what exactly? Marilyn Monroe was only seen as a sex symbol her entire career. Abby didn't want to just be a sex symbol or be compared to Marilyn. She was a talented and beautiful women in her own right.
This was such an extreme jump in logic lol in a time where women where being sexualized and had more importance placed on that above else and wanted it to end, which she just pointed out in the video, it makes sense she wouldn’t want to wear it again. Was it a little extreme to burn the dress? Actually, no. Women had even less choice back then so she probably would have been forced to wear the dress again. You gotta think from her perspective. She wanted her singing to shine and she knew this dress hindered that.
The thing with talent and charisma is... No dress can overpower you. As harsh as it is, but if people made it about the dress and your chest? Perhaps... Those were louder than the talent.
Marilyn would’ve understood the motive but she would not approve. She adored billy travilla (the designer) and considered him a great artist. I understand her motive too even tho I think it’s a little dramatic, but let’s not pretend this is even close to what Kim did.
Abby at least was the owner of the dress and was arguably as iconic as Marilyn was in it. My feelings on historical preservation aside, she had every right to do whatever she wanted with it. Kim had no reason to wear Marilyn’s dress other than she wanted to wear it. And she *absolutely* had no right to damage it.
I don't think she's remotely comparable to Kim, as the dress was given to them for both diffrent reasons: upcoming talent vs kim pressuring corrupted museam owners. Kim was knowingly wearing a preserved museam piece and historical moment, not doing what she wanted with her own property (that didn't have that much meaning yet, it wasn't even the fucsia dress) that represents her own objectification and maybe even trauma. I wouldn't have done that to the dress, but thoes are not comparable situations.
The amount of sexualization and fetishization black women face is horrific. Especially during that time period. I don’t blame her for burning the dress. It was probably traumatic for her having to deal with all of that unwarranted attention when she was just showing off her talents.
This is the height of human ego and insecurity and the reason for so much hatred throughout the world. human beings forget that all of us have to retire to the grave and all these materialistic things are temporary.
This (and the comments) just confirms to me that the Kim Kardashian wearing MM dress drama caused so much public outrage mainly or even only because it was Kim Kardashian. Like... I don't even like Kim Kardashian, but at this point the atmosphere about her is more of a blind hate and prejudice dictated by trends than anything else.
I am neutral on Kim Kardashian. But she shouldn't have worn that dress, it didn't flatter her at all and there have been one or two well-written essays by fashion archivist that discusses the damage when an old dress like that is worn. but I can't recall the link just now. True that is a lot of useless hate on KK though.
@@persebra It is true, I mostly mean people are super righteous about it and at the same time are ok or even praising about other woman just straightout burning other MM's dress with no reason other than her... Idk, extreme insecurity? At least some of the comments sound like so.
I’m confused, why is this okay but then people are slamming Kim Kardashian for wearing a dress which is nothing more than a piece of meaningless fabric. All the women look beautiful in all the dresse
she burned a (then) pretty unimportant movie costume because of the sexualization that the dress basically cursed her with kim damaged a dress worn to perform for the fucking US president because she wanted to wear even though it would never fit (sure, kim didn't burn it but she didn't have to wear it, especially since it ACTUALLY has historical value) it's most definitely not the same
