Marilyn Monroe Analysis 

Elizabeth Taylor too.

@@lumiere7216 how so? Judy Garland and Norma Jean Baker were from somewhat deprived backgrounds. Elizabeth Taylor was from a more well-to-do background, her father owned an art gallery.

@LEE S I think you mean Elizabeth Taylor, considering this video is about Marilyn. So... Judy Garland would be more interesting than Elizabeth Taylor.

Liza would be interesting after Judy Garland.

There's a documentary about her life on youtube that explains everything.

And it was every weekday till Greenson had her move in with him to have extra sessions over the weekends as well. Give me a break Dr. Greenson!

I must be going through it because I feel like i need a 5hr session

I'm not sure what their arrangement was - was she paying him hourly? I don't know. Maybe it was her idea. It's kind of strange to call it disgusting if we don't know what the arrangement was. Maybe she just wanted the company and someone sympathetic to be around. She was a lonely person.

@@shariwelch8760 from what I understand this would be an extremely unhealthy thing for a therapist to indulge, even if Marilyn was interested in that much contact.

@@MegaRaaaaaaa Probably, unless he thought it was keeping her out of a mental institution.

The uncertainty about her father's identity likely contributed to her confusion.

You are so right. She had no secure attachments to either parent. That is devastating to a person. Then add hardship on top of that and you are just screwed. I have these issues myself. Childhood trauma and loss, and I can understand the issues that people like this develop. Deep insecurity. Fantasy, divorce. Lashing out at people. Reactive behavior.

I agree. I've seen so many tragic cases like her's; poor souls who never get over the loss and grief of abandonment.

I'm pretty much a carbon copy of her.

How could she not have this?

It looks that way .. I AMA introvert and I walked away from all jobs and other things in life that brings dramas or abuse or over complicated events . In life. Private life path now best life path .. I happy now

I am an introvert who disguises myself as an extrovert.

​@@lovecats6856So true,we do that sometimes.. especially at our jobs

Or autistic

She’s a bunch of a bones 🦴 now

Same, and I agree with you 100%

Wow it all makes sense now.

Yes.She tried so hard to have a Child. Any woman Will get affected in such circumstances...No matter if they Will succeed in having a baby, in the end...

I had excruciating pain during my periods and even fainted at times. My parents never took me to the doctor. I just suffered every month. I think I had what Marilyn had but no one ever figured it out. I was never able to have children either. I got pregnant 3x and then it would not attach and fall in the toilet when it was the size of my pinkie fingernail. Always made me wonder why I could never have full term. I had a tipped uterus too and thought that was the reason but my mom just told me she had that too and she had three children!

...because you probably have an underlying hormone imbalance causing the

Yes thanks for saying that. Her mental health professionals were incredibly irresponsible, I feel they egregiously overstepped they authority !

@@lumiere7216 And they over-prescribed meds and became involved with her personally. She would drink a bottle of champagne during sessions with Greenson, (at his home), and often stay for dinner. Marilyn and Engleberg began an affair when he separated from his wife and he gave Marilyn the pills she wanted. Engleberg was afraid to lose his license over this, especially once Marilyn died and all the "heat" was on.

​@@Missditabomb Psychoanalysis is an intense form of therapy suited for patients with strong egos. It requires breaks over the weekends in order for the patient to process. Greenson had Monroe move in with him to increase number of sessions to 7 per week. Give me a break Dr. Greenson!

@@mrooz9065 Agree, and I honestly believe Marilyn would have been better off, OVERALL, had she not pursued psychoanalysis. Marilyn only became MORE messed up once the doctors started playing with her head. (That goes for her acting coach, Lee Strasberg, as well.) Marilyn was confused about life before "treatment", but she was LOST in life, and TO life, after.

@@Missditabomb vety possible

My life was it is incredibly difficult I had zero love in my mother was covertly sexually abusive towards me

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@@michaeldundee8300 Sorry 😔 it's very sad. Me too.

I hope you are in a good place now, I wish you a very happy life...❤️

Oh my God I don’t have nothing good to say about her

One of her greatest actress that ever lived

ME TOO🎯 IM 65 AN STILL DRIFT OFF REMEMBERING THINGS...I GUESS IT DONT HELP SMOKING WEED BUT I'VE ALWAYS self medicate.....like a bad movie📽🎬👤👥

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she was drawn to older men as she had daddy issues and I feel like if she were alive today she would realize that she didn't need them. You are enough all by yourself.💔

Well said.

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Thanks for saying this. I agree with much of what Dr. Grande said in this video about Marilyn, but when he said that she had a “poor work ethic” I had to vehemently disagree. She worked very hard at her craft, and indeed took many lessons. If anything, she was too much of a perfectionist and let that fear paralyze her. I think that Marilyn’s insecurity about not being good enough is what caused her to have to do multiple takes and even miss work. And I’ll just say that I once knew someone who had worked with Marilyn in Hollywood, and they said that she was just about the hardest-working actress that they had ever known.

Her extreme perfectionism may have come from an early film, where she stumbles over a line, and it was included in the final edit. I think this would have been intolerable for her, and she took control of her image by insisting on multiple takes until she was satisfied, and by destroying negatives that she wasn't happy with from her photo shoots. She may not have felt that she knew who she was, but she certainly understood what Monroe represented. An extremely intelligent and complex person. She was ahead of her time and her appeal is universal. She won't be easily forgotten.

MM was a manipulated, feel sorry for me type of person, plus the Dr is right, her work ethic was zero, she didn't give a damn how time was wasted & all the money the studio lost because she just didn't feel like going to work, poor baby, she was depressed. Her childhood wasn't good, but millions of other kids lives are great either, they survived, made something out of it, productive & full of happiness, it's called being responsible for your own life . MM actually thought JFK would leave Jackie & marry her?? Unreal, she fooled around with Robert Kennedy too, these were powerful men, she fooled around with the wrong guys! Tony curtis said it was like kissing a dead fish in a movie scene they were in - and, she was a drug addict, making everything even worse! One of her friends invited MM to church, hoping she would love God & turn to Him for help, but MM said she didn't need God, nor was she interested, really sad, I bet now sh wishes she had listened to her friend

In those days, mental halth issues were widely seen as hysteria. The goal of treatment was not necessarily to heal them, it was mainly to make them submissive and agreeable to society and to their men.

@@bisibisbi very true. That's where the word hysteria comes from the word hysterectomy. They would simply claim a woman was hysterical and then slice her open for a hysterectomy. Oh yes!

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Why do some women not want to hear truths when it comes to other women? This comment made me sure that it's not about understanding anything.

Absolutely!!!! And it's a subject rarely touched upon in connection with her.

She probably would have been a terrible mother.

@@netta96 Marilyn would have indeed been a terrible mother. Norma Jeane would have been a god mother had she stayed with Jim Dougherty, who was a good man would have provided her the stability to be a mom.

Well put!

Psychoanalysis usually requires 4-5 sessions per week which is a lot to process and handle. As if it was not heavy enough, Greenson had Monroe move in with him to have therapy over the weekends as well. Scratching my head.

@David Brian Lantry The mental health professionals involved might have been culpable, however, you're incorrect to say that they were accountable i.e. they faced no redress for their actions.

Siesta, Baby!!

… yes … so defined by her charisma and sensuality … would lead to an unfulfilled life.

I agree growing up with no parents is very hard for child to deal with look I never really like Marilyn Monroe because of her affairs with married men people stay talking about how pretty she is which she is indeed but being pretty dosent excuse a womans wrong doing she was grown and fully aware of what she was doing when she was having affairs with married men president Kennedy included but knowing how tragic her childhood was inside of orphanages makes me feel really sorry for her and also makes me understand why she was ok with being a mistress she never grew up seeing two people love each other the correct way so of course she's going to be ok with interfering with a married household

Does hollywood continue to exploit their own people?

She made money from this 'exploitation', you know. It's like saying you're outraged by drug dealers but buying their product. The biggest and most frustrating problem for her was not being able to be a mother, as she had a condition that caused her to miscarry. This certainly deepened the degree of depression and mania. And as a consequence, abuse of prescription drugs. She really wanted to have children, a stable family, and we also don't know what she would be like in raising the child - there may have been a desire to be the opposite of what her mother was. Given her psychological condition, or in spite of it, this child would have an uncertain future.

She also exploited it. We need to stop holding MM like she was without fault. M loved attention and to be sexy. She wanted to do more serious acting roles but she still loved being a sex symbol.

Yes my mother coverly sexually abused me when I was very young. There was no love and I was abandoned by both my parents and lived on the street. I'm an addict and I've been struggling for 60 years where it's one day at a time and I do it all with God's power.

@@michaeldundee8300 may God bless and keep you, and take you to be with Him for eternity when it is time. I have many things to relate to you, and Marilyn about and carry so much shame it's debilitating. I truly hope, and will pray, you are okay and will be kept safe under the wings of Our Lord. ☝️🙏💪💕

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I was sexually abused as a child. It's hard to recover, but you can. The only way I found out of shame and depression was to forgive my abuser. This isn't easy, and takes yrs, only through the power of JESUS CHRIST was it even possible. You start in your mind, and when you start thinking about it, you say, I'm done with that, I've forgiven him. It took yrs for that prossess to go from my head to my heart, but one day, I realized it did. Forgiveness heals you also.

​@@michaeldundee8300 So sad. None of that is your fault. I had a stepfather from hell who abused me in every way possible. I overcame his abuse and hatred and made a nice life and family for myself. It would have been so easy for me to turn to alcohol and drugs and to have probably gone to jail but I didn't. It sometimes amazes me that I was able to escape that and rise above it.

Sentimentality aside, her body couldn't handle substance abuse and there were still other issues she had and I'm not talking about issues of an emotional nature. Of course people love tragic figures, amplifying the idea of this.

Right! It’s like no one ever believes you

Yeah, and I am still being dramatic when I mention how traumatising waking up in psych ward physically restrained was to me... And still faced misogyny, when I asked about the catheter I felt between my legs, the only area I could move then, and I did violently at times, due to desperation and confusion, since no one would talk to me, and only when I asked about that thing, if it could hurt me when I moved like that, I was told by a middle aged man (I was 21 at the time) "Don't worry, you're still a virgin." And this all is my illness and hysteria talking, right?

@@ninaj6051 Oh my god, I'm so sorry you experienced that!!!

This is the truth.

That’s terrible - what happened Nina J.

The thought of having her life is scary to me. I cherish my beauty, I don't want to be in someone else's shoes but that last line you had is wholesome. "I just wish that her life was as beautiful as she was.", it's so endearing and sweet.

I know. Her childhood was a mess. She said herself,"everyone's childhood plays itself out". So true. You can keep a kid on childhood issues for only so long. It's going manifest

@@oanaalexia thank you for taking the time to reply. It is always wonderful to hear about someone who are happy with who they are and how they look.

Oana Puha that last line broke me.

I always find it interesting with people that I know that are big fans of Marilyn.....I find that people who really adore Marilyn often have had traumas in their life and face a lot of darkness. Similar to the pain she carried. I believe Marilyn’s energy attracts them.

She was filled with guilt and shame -- starting with how she abandoned her first husband Jim Dougherty to jump on the casting couch in her pursuit of fame.

Yes, she was driven into the arms of other men! Having affairs must of been so difficult. Nothing like the clout chasers of tik tok or OF. 🤣😅😂🤡

She didn't have a family full stop

She had a good husband in Jim Dougherty. She threw him away to chase fame. That choice destroyed her.

Oh no anyway

I don’t think she was narcissistic but I don’t think she had personality disorder.

I completely agree with you...

Nejtalentovanější herci, zpěváci, kterí kdy existovali byli herci s dg. "emočne nestabilní poruchou osobnosti." Hypersenzibilita, geniální převtělení do postavy, díla.

I'm absolutely sure of that. And many don't get their feet on the ground again, their ego high.

It didn't help that MM was a drug addict

@@madambutterfly7513 yes due to her lack of love and printful attachment she was essentially an addict to anything and everything that would help her self medicate.

@Paul Wieringa She did so many lovely things too. She was one of the first celebrities to stand up for equality, supported many charities, brought attention to the less privileged (and also check out the story about her and Ella Frizgerald!) etc. She clearly had her demons, but with an upbringing like that, it's pretty understandable and I'm almost surprised she did what she did with all that baggage.

I think Little Darling means the good parts of Marilyn's personality: the uncompromising feminine energy, the friendliness, the love, the compassion, the beauty, intelligence and sensitivity.

I love her sooo much too. May daughter is named after her.

Her problems started with her mother. Things that happen in our childhood affect our entire lives. The best shot Marilyn could have had would’ve have been if her mother would’ve given her up for adoption. I feel so much for her.

@@pamelahansen5394 That's right. I have seen people posting absolutely horrible comments about her mother online, but honestly, she didn't know better. As Dr. Grande stated, she wasn't all there. It made Marilyn's life hell which is so incredibly sad, but it wasn't her mother's fault she was sick. It's a tough situation for everyone involved...

And, selfish MM, due to her not showing up for work, ended up giving Clark Gable a heart attack, he died 3 months after filming was completed!

Well he did leave some choice words for her to find about how she embarrassed him and he was embarrassed to have her around his upper crust intellectual friends. Then he wrote a character that was not intellectual and who couldn’t articulate her feelings to stop animal abuse. Just had her scream. A character that was on the verge of being a washed up sexpot.

Clark was not in good health. Look at the life he lived. His time was down for the count. He didn’t blame MM. he actual treated her fatherly. His widow didn’t blame MM either. So to come in here and say it’s MM’s fault is outrageous and disgusting.

@@madambutterfly7513 I believe Marylin was suffering from withdrawal from drugs. The pills she was taken were controlling her life. Those pills affect the central nervous system. Insommina is a consequence and I'm sure she had hard time sleeping because of the pills... The reason why she showed up late.

@@madambutterfly7513 That was not Marilyns fault. Gable was already in poor health.

Oh yeah, as a layman I would go as far and state that without consistent good sleep you can't be mentally healthy.

@@babblingalong7689 As someone with chronic insomnia I can attest to this.

@@ChaosandLogic I really hope you find treatment for this.

And Jaron Lenier, polymath, pioneer of, "virtual reality" (he coined the term), visual artist, composer of contemporary classical music, writer. philosopher,

How is Steve Jobs "hyperproductive mind"? He's just a guy who took credit for other people's work.

@@mmestari Hyperproductivity does not necessitate creation. Jobs efficiently allocated and managed resources to successfully bring many innovative products to market. He led Apple to the largest market cap in the USA, reshaped computing and popularized the smartphone, pioneered computer animated films among a long list of other accomplishments. Very few individuals could even accomplish one of those goals. Downplaying his achievements is objectively bizarre but I understand some cannot separate that from the person he was.

@@pilotpwr What's objectively bizarre is thinking that Steve jobs is "hyperproductive" and doing anything else than taking the credit for other peoples work. Steve Jobs is very much the archetypal example of someone being lucky at being at right place at the right time and knowing the right people, and then screwing them over.

@@mmestari His seems to be the role model for all those who have been too successful, but people love Heroes and don't want to hear what is the truth.

She wasn't really Marilyn. Marilyn was a character she created on her own and without a blueprint. Everyone expected her to be Marilyn all the time. As you posted, it was very tiring for her. But Marilyn is the one I want to see, also. Not interested in Norma Jean that much. She is the most beautiful woman who ever lived and she will remain so. We are lucky to have had such a divinely beautful creature walk among us for a short time. Her early death has only added to her mystique. She will never grow old and wrinkled. Have read one poster who said Marilyn was negatively affected by marrying that creepy ogre Arthur Miller. She said Marilyn lost some of her energy and positiveness because of him and it affected her performances and her life, of course. Miller was a worthless gold digger who used Marilyn and never really loved her. He once said while still married to her that she embarrassed him before his family.

It's A.I. She was beautiful but that's one of those alrered photos you see everywhere

@@newfacenewyear oooh. Thanks! 😊

She had High functioning AUTISM/ Asbergers. PLEASE search Sarah Hendrickx or AUTISM in FEMALES!! YOU WILL learn so much!! and help spread this awareness!!!!!! Its called MASKING!!

Kim Kardashian wore the lovely birthday dress at some function. Kim couldn't fit into it and had to wear a stoll to cover where the zip was open. I thought K should not have worn the dress. She has no talent where as Marilyn had heaps of creativity.

Creepy

@@IWillBeSaved Get a life! No one cares about your opinion of others who are fans of Marilyn.

Lack of love supersedes any effects from fame.

Absolutely

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Yes, poor Marilyn knew first hand. That's how she got into films via the casting couch.

Exactly, unstable life leading to an unstable identity.

Jennifer Pan was a sociopath I think. Elisa Lam was kidnapped in the hotel she stayed at, sexually abused, and murdered by the hotel's handyman.

Nancy Spungen had a very high IQ, but was insanely mad. So I guess many issues come with having so much intelligence.

Yes, it’s actually common for people with high intelligence to have mental disorders.

Ol1o19jda Okay, suit yourself. It’s a fact intelligent people think differently than the average person/brains that are wired differently...I would know. It’s okay you were triggered :) Have a great day!

Ol1o19jda Also, I see above that you also agreed with the fact that’s it’s common for intelligent people to have these disorders/people with disorders to be more intelligent, so I see you just want to start unnecessary arguments.

That BS again? Cringe.

So mucus would be explained by this. So much would be seen in the sympathetic light it needs to be seen in. Things (consensus in psychiatry ) will change in time, we'll get there.

@@Gr33nsn33k What? 😂😅🤣

@@mrtwister9002 I had a typo saying mucus instead of much. But the point is that things like narcissistic and histrionic and unstable behavior could be seen in much more sympathetic light, if it was talked as a traumatic reaction instead of bad behavior that exists in a vacuum. In time, this shift might happen in how we see mental illnesses.

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@@Gr33nsn33k Totally agree with everything you have written here ✨️

Yeah and also, even now but worse then, we women get ignored with diagnoses. “Oh it’s because you’re overweight” “you’re just hysterical” and then pumped with meds to shut them up. Many (most) women were on something in the 50’s. To keep them in line. Then the whole thalidomide scandal happened. Pregnant and sick? Here’s an untested medication but you’re just a woman so we’ll give it to you. Stressed? Smoke! That’ll calm you down.

@@teresahowick5197 I completely understand, more often than not it's palmed off as "women's troubles", which is really frustrating as it's a lot more than that! It's terrible how people are pumped full of drugs regardless of their condition. Big pharma will always find a way in and so many people have fallen victim to the corporate greed of these pharmaceutical companies. Most doctors today are basically legalised drug dealers... it's a toxic system that underlies the dysfunctional medical establishments all over the world. It's scary when you think about it ☠️🤦‍♀️

@@lloydsgem That's very scary!!! And yet it happens more often than people think. I had a friend who was repeatedly diagnosed with IBS for the best part of a year. She was repeatedly told to watch her diet, eat certain foods, drink plenty of water etc but nothing ever helped her. She asked the doctor if it was possible that something more serious was at play but he assured her it was a simple case of IBS. One night she woke up with severe stomach pains and was rushed to hospital. The ER doctor sent her for an MRI scan as as soon as he saw HER. He suspected she had stomach cancer, especially given how swollen her stomach was, and didn't hesitate on referring her for the urgent scan. She got the official diagnosis in the ER ward and was promptly transferred to the oncology ward but the cancer had advanced so much that it was terminal and there was nothing they could do except give her some pain relief. They gave her a couple of months to live. She was gone almost 3 weeks later. Had her own doctor referred her as soon as she had symptoms her life might have been saved. Or prolonged at the very least. You know the whole thing that's ironic about the situation? She was a medical receptionist who had worked in the same medical practice for many years. Sad but true 😔😢

I have endo. Stage 5 (unless the scales changed that is the most serious you can have it). It was pretty bad, then I got much worse chronic pain… 😞 I grew grapefruit size cysts once a year five times (on either ovary or both) and I am 5’ and 100’ and barely even have hips, so imagine how big that is on my size. None of the treatments were stopping the cysts from coming back so at some point I just refused treatment. Fortunately these days they try a lot more before they go for surgery removing the uterus/ovaries since they’re not associated with that much better outcome. My cysts just spontaneously stopped after those five years (8 total grapefruit) that had to be surgically removed. I still have very serious pains every once in a while, and moderate to severe pains every month. And there’s no way of telling how much impact it’s had on my mood and life, because I now have much more severe chronic pain in other ways. But it can affect your hormones , which is known to be related with mental health more and more as research is done. There isn’t a clear relationship with infertility except for a subset of people where there may be a relationship. And it’s not clear who those people are. I believe some of the treatments and meds actually are more counterproductive than the condition itself. I found much more relief from endometriosis after I got off all of the “treatments” honestly. My first time on Lupron when I was just 19 was hell and I refused it even after the first time. And after the first five or six years that I had those surgeries to remove the cysts, I just refused everything and the whole thing chilled to more manageable levels. At least I don’t have to have surgery every year you know. So there is hope for the better and I wish the best for your friends.

​@@1chienandalouHow are you doing now? I had it too ..very young. So I know how you feel. I had to have surgery, very young, just 26. ( "Complete" TAH). I didn't have another choice.

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That may be true, but on the other hand there are people you cannot help and you can only watch them ruin themselves. As a child, she was helpless, but as a grown-up, people at some point have to take responsibility for themselves, no matter what caused their pain. However, let's not forget that back in the days psychology and medicine was by far not up to today's standard. And as a celebrity, it becomes even harder. I am not sure anybody could really have made that difference.

Ja, I know someone who is very similar to Norma-Jean/Marilyn (according to this analysis) . Basically good, intelligent and gentle ppl who experienced recurring trauma from a young age and developed many unhealthy/harmful "coping" mechanisms and attachments. These ppl don't solidify in any meaningful way and seem unable to realise/foresee the impact of how they behave; like a small child with adult capabilities. Ppl tend to ignore the ugliness in the truth of that sort of damage, especially in physically attractive and charming individuals like Norma, denying full humanity and creating a symbol to fulfill their own superficial and selfish desires. It's so tragic, u really want someone like her to come out on top in the end, find clarity, safety and happiness. Maybe she never realised that no one was able to come and save her, and she couldn't see how to do it herself/wasn't willing to. So full of potential, but ultimately just tragic and head-shakey. Be well, take care of yourselves 🌹

@@godbyelebenohnegott If you're mentally ILL, you're mentally ill. If you could simply "turn it around" by taking responsibility, then obviously you are not severely ill. What do you think of people who try to cure cancer by dieting and meditating, like Steve Jobs did?

@@l.w.paradis2108 By 'taking responsibility' I did not mean heal yourself. It means accepting that you've got a huge problem you cannot solve yourself and ask for help and be willing to work on it. I was referring to so many people here in the comments who express that someone could have helped her if they really tried. You can't, if the person is not willing to have a hard look at themselves. What someone with cancer should do is not for me to say. Meditating and dieting can help your body and mind but not to that degree that it cures cancer, is my opinion.

@@godbyelebenohnegott But that is precisely what Marilyn Monroe did. She read and journaled avidly, and went to psychotherapy regularly. She never bought any drug illegally. She was even a jogger, and ate a normal diet. Her autopsy states she presented as well-nourished. For her time, that was all that anyone knew to do.

@@Thebellreve thank you ❤

Wow, genealogy is so interesting and to know that you carry some of that same diagnoses, after so many generations is fascinating.

Barely related

@@IWillBeSaved and?

I do not like Elton John at all. I can fearlessly say so that I do not like elton john.

Bear in mind that Bernie Taupin wrote Elton John’s lyrics.

@@Muting_all_advice yes, I know. But thank you anyway 🙂

@@2manybooks2littletime25 So really it’s Bernie Taupin who “had her summed up well” :)

@@Muting_all_advice yep! (Although Elton had some input to the lyrics during all these years, Taupin was THE lyricist. They also quit working together for a time. I'm not 100% sure of what song lyrics were written by Elton.) Without Elton's music, Taupin's lyrics are just poems.

And then there are some people so shy yet love it so much you wonder how they do it, and it's not for attention at all as they stay away from that side (like Kim Basinger).

How would a non-actor really know?

@@EMunaBee Excellent comment! I'm reminded of Jean Arthur who was an outstanding and respected actress on stage and in films (Miss Arthur worked with James Stewart in "Mister Smith Goes to Washington" and played the mother in "Shane") yet was extremely nervous and sometimes had to be talked out of her dressing room. Miss Arthur wasn't a diva or deliberately unprofessional, she just had severe anxiety yet kept performing. ---I read Brooke Hayward's memoir "Haywire" and it was mentioned that her mother Margaret Sullavan talked about how she hated acting yet kept doing it. I think both of these ladies had a gift that had to be expressed despite the difficulty that went with that expression.

@Bren cato That reminds me of something Marilyn herself once said. Early in her career someone commented on how Marilyn was patterning herself after Lana turner. Marilyn said "When you're nobody and you want to be somebody you have to be somebody else".

But she never felt like she did. Imposter syndrome. So sad.

She sure did. I remember seeing a picture of her when I was a 15 year old boy and I thought to myself, wow, she's so interesting and beautiful. I had no clue who she was. She radiated her energy through time, via a picture, to a young boy from a different culture and age.

No. Marilyn Monroe was apparently happy and at peace towards the end. It seems Marilyn Monroe did it well.

Gladiolis at the ready....LOLOLOL

Haha so true but I'd love to see an analysis of him.

Dorian Gray (you look fabulous, despite what I've heated about you😉) who is your profile pic, Viggo Mortensen?

fran mellor that took me a second before I remembered it’s his favorite flower. LOL

Paul Wieringa my favorite lyric from his latest album “if you’re going to jump, then for god sake , just kill yourself”